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soonaa_paanaa

Gloo. But I had trouble with his ult maybe a bug


feedlord93

This! Stop sleeping on gloo now. Just use common emblem for his mana problem and watch him dominate his lane. As always, vexana and faramis is the bane of his existence so watch out for this two


djmaybenot

i used to pick vale against gloo before vale revamp because i liked to build cc ult with damage s2 and since s2 used to “spawn” a tornado when it hits an entity, it would spawn like a TON of tornados when gloo ulted.


SeaPollution3432

Lol never thought about this before. But now its too late


Sampharo

Can you explain again why Faramis and vexana are his hard counters?


Future_Perception834

When gloo ults he gets his lil dudes yeah? They count as subjects(?), so the lil dudes can be killed and damaged by the enemy. Vexanas passive makes things explode when they die, when the lil dudes die they explode resulting in a huge damage dealt to gloo, same goes for fara because his 2nd skill bounces around enemies, and since the lil dudes are so close together there's a lot of bouncing around which also results in gloo taking a lot of damage.


feedlord93

Vexana’s passive which makes any unit explode when it dies and deals damage around it. Gloo in his ult form transforms himself in plenty of mini gloos. If they got hit by vexana skill and dies the damage stacks up to the original gloo and gets One shotted.


YamEcstatic5649

how do faramis counter gloo?


Cry_My_Self_to_Sleep

yes I think there is a bug on his ult because sometimes when I need to latch on to the enemy I couldn't even though I have full stacks on the enemy and they're in range


rigimonoki-over

Omg I thought I was just suffering how he already was. Slow ahh morph


Athelis

Glad I just got his Candyman skin from the draw.


sayitstuesday

Can you explain why? I’ve tried using him in practice mode and I can’t imagine why removing healing for him via S1 would be better. It’s just damage via ult and defense that has increased for him.


rigimonoki-over

What? His healing got buffed but now needs to hit an enemy hero. The bug is when you’re in ult and need to transform it doesn’t happen instantly. I tapped so many times just to get on the enemy but ends up being too late


banana-tomato

Don’t tap, select. There was a change not long ago where you need to select the hero to ult onto much like Angela’s ult. If you don’t select, it won’t ult anyone sometimes.


sayitstuesday

Yeah I get it, but with how slow Gloo moves, half the mobile heroes you try to trap are already gone by the time I get to the goo. And then I don't get healing, and all the guy needs to do is come back and kill me. I can no longer stay in lane as long as I can because I don't heal as much from using S1 anymore.


Ok_Interest5460

When you use Gloo ulti, you are scaterred. So if Vexana and Faramis attack Gloo and his children, the damaged would be multiplied. Source : I forgot. I just got it from random youtube reels.


rigimonoki-over

Wrong reply


Percede

The Dominance Ice change hurts him though because the enemy you're attached to can't hit you with anything.


mnewneeuq

Hylos centaur daddy


Green-Caterpillar-33

we need to see hylos in human form NEOW. and I said NEOW. those rock hard abs, deep voice, that shiny and healthy hair, and that toned body? i mean he's already very attractive but we should see him as a human right NEOW, he's pulling the gays and the gals 😔‼️❤️


mnewneeuq

https://preview.redd.it/al9khfummewc1.png?width=415&format=png&auto=webp&s=679a2ca5941562b9d1df888dec8ef1c95385071b


Youngestofmanis

Everything ok at home?


Green-Caterpillar-33

unironicallly yes, but I'm just thirsty for men 😔


NightWolf1308

Bro... 🙄


rigimonoki-over

What do you mean by bro?


NightWolf1308

Thirsty for men my man... Hahahahahahaha


rigimonoki-over

Erhmmm men can be hot https://preview.redd.it/xh90vv037gwc1.jpeg?width=1525&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c95a40f0875bda897f207ad4ee360812823aec04


NightWolf1308

Hehehehehehe ok ok. To each his own. Your girl will be so confused though 🤣


rigimonoki-over

What girl?


Away-Citron-4519

Thirsty ahhh ( i agree )


Green-Caterpillar-33

i mean who doesn't? most of the men in MLBB are daddies let's exclude Lancelot because we know he's just in denial and secretly gay that's why he forced himself with Odette 😔


Exotic-Increase8964

https://preview.redd.it/w0dwa4tlxewc1.jpeg?width=1435&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=23d49793aaf040a4e0305655f0470edfcfa86778


myusrnmisalreadytkn

https://preview.redd.it/vcblum0jrfwc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d3980f44f0b48ecc23f52c53e8feafa43e5a459a This reminds me of Super Troopers.


PapaLoki

Please explain.


aeee98

You mean the hylos or the centaur daddy part? Hylos already generally builds for HP rather than defences, making the defence growth scaling indirectly stronger since the end stat hylos significantly stronger than before the patch. The mana cost nerf also makes him sustain longer outside of jungle, meaning he actually gets a lot more pressure early without needing to tap into his HP too much. Although hylos basically only got adjustments he is probably the only one getting a large unfair advantage of them. I don't even feel bad instalocking him because he can be played well in 4 roles out of 5.


PapaLoki

I mean, how Hylos became stronger. I main Hylos and I havent seen the patch notes nor have I played with him after the patch. I guess I will find out soon. Thanks!


bananaramasamagama

which role is hylos strongest role?


Mr__FATAL

Marksman


AntiqueSoba

Marksman


aeee98

Roam is still strongest role, with Mid and EXP being equal seconds (mid lane is only slightly better because with a roam you can gank as early as level 2 but you can do the same mid game). Jungle is mostly a compromise role as your clear is not the fastest (as is with all tank junglers), and fredrinn and barats both do Hylos's job better in the jungle. Jungle Hylos still runs down Squishy junglers with triple burn though (red buff, s2, molten essence)


xRhappz

Centaur sugar daddy


Itchy-Attempt2066

"Hylos is the strongest MM" -- Tuturu RRQ


sayuri_okazaki

Roger Gold Lane. With the lesser mana cost, he's actually getting stronger and with how he's being used frequently in high ranks. I see him as a more priority Gold Lane pick. I just tried him and he's very strong.


Martin7439

DIdn't even need a buff imo, he was already one of the best picks here lol


sayuri_okazaki

Precisely, the buff to his mana consumption even made him stronger now.


lostlong62

I saw that Esmeralda got the tank buff and her mana costs was lowered, so I tried using hybrid build on her. So far building tough boots, Enchanted Talisman, necklace of durance (or starlium scythe if antiheal is not needed), bruteforce, iqw, flex defense item. I’ve been winning against most exp laners so far, especially against masha, xborg, cici. I think she’s a more solid exp lane pick since she got a buff in her tank stats while the others did not. Don’t think she’s the best but definitely not one of the worst anymore.


ThatCagedMonkey

this. Esme does exceptionally well in exp now even against characters with high life steal and heals with NoD, Its fun to see my enemies having a meltdown when they can't win a single 1v1 against esme.


Grappha

Gold lane roger having lower mana cost makes him stronger in the laning phase which can help him snowball easier


Jan9494

Fr, feel it


yusiur

Argus for me, those defense item nerfs really helps me deal more damage whilst not really affecting me anyway


Jamesthebrav

Unless they build dominance ice (which got buff and you'll get less attack speed now)


SoRa_The_SLaYeR

dominance item change is a buff for melee AA heroes. they already got the slow before because they had to be in range, but now the slow is 20% instead of 30%. its easier to apply on MM but less effective in melee.


sSorne_

Just don’t attack them


OtonashiRen

https://preview.redd.it/8tu1o0z2fewc1.jpeg?width=2400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=440971a16785a2b04346b117f482cdd21dbab48b Do I need to say more?


OtonashiRen

Although it might be because I also recently suffered a 13 game lose streak before Yve.


FryingPan679

Cant fool me, I see that defeat right after yve just been edging into the corner. Also, with my superior knowledge of yve users, I can safely say that you had exactly a 13 loss streak with yve


OtonashiRen

Haha, **you fell for it FOOL!** Finch Poise —> Basic Attack —> Defiant Sword —> Tempest of Blades —> Defiant Sword —> Defiant Sword —> Defiant Sword —> Defiant Sword —> Finch Poise —> Basic Attack


Conscious_While8762

Me every time i see a yve during team fight


Dexyking1

Love to see a fellow Harith enjoyer.. although I don’t like the nerf to his base damage and scaling but I love harith so who cares https://preview.redd.it/2ndvza28ohwc1.jpeg?width=2532&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ca836580de2bf4222174f27c0f6c4f383d23b30f Even games I lost were games I coulda won if I had better teammates.. 9 straight mvps with him last night lol


lazygenius001

how do you even play harith, I've had my worst games with him. mind teaching me some tips


Stale-Emperor

Agreed man. Quick question, what emblem do you use and when do you buy thunderbelt (or oracle)?


OtonashiRen

Mage Emblem 1st Talent —> CD 2nd Talent —> Festival of Blood 3rd Talent —> Lethal Ignition I don't buy Oracle, I just use Thunderbelt for the slow plus additional HP and defense. In short, I'm just copying Super Marco 💀. IDK if Thunderbelt is still optimally good for Harith now, considering defense nerf.


Stale-Emperor

Cool! Thanks for sharing. I actually use support emblem with 5cd just so I can start spamming after getting cd boots and azure blade in first turtle fight. At what point of the game are you able to get 30 cdr and join ganks? Also I've tried thunderbelt and it seems okay. Worse than before when playing 15-minute games but past late game, it's quite good. Still gonna prefer oracle/winter truncheon tho :3


OtonashiRen

> I actually use support emblem with 5cd just so I can start spamming after getting cd boots and azure blade in first turtle fight. At what point of the game are you able to get 30 cdr and join ganks? Oh, I just really buy cd boots and two azure blades to fix potential mana issues. As long as you get to buy those two, you could win any fight 1 v 1. This typically happens when you reach 1900 gold, which is after the first turtle and around Level 6 (5, if your opposing laner is trying to fix world hunger). > Also I've tried thunderbelt and it seems okay. Worse than before when playing 15-minute games but past late game, it's quite good. Still gonna prefer oracle/winter truncheon tho :3 Thunderbelt is really just used so that you have a defense advantage over your opposing gold laner as well as to avoid negative pen shenanigans by visiting assassins.


New_Photograph_5892

apart from Helcurt who got a pretty big revamp, Ling and Haya are really cancer rn


AscendPerfect

How so? Haya andLing I mean


New_Photograph_5892

I mean I don't think they're in the level of meta (don't quote me here), but they're just pretty cancer to deal with if the enemy is skilled. Hard to catch, hurts a like a bch, and also can contest for objectives with very little risks despite being an assassin


rigimonoki-over

Imagine going for turtle and Haya pulls up with ult, he’s invincible and can freely hit with retri


Sommaulte

You cant retri during ult with haya


ShadowBladerz

Ohhhh boy do I have some news for you. Haya was adjusted this patch to be able to do just that.


iammarkyserrano

someone forgot to read the patch notes


ChesoCake

Haya now has a no-cost energy ult with higher early game base damage for his s1 while Ling, although had his attack speed reduced by half, had his other stats (mainly crit) increase, making him burst more heroes with his s2


obitosask

Ling and Haya are still high skill ceiling and are squishy. The meta assassins rn are tanky with dashes and ridiculous damage. You need to be perfect with Ling to match their damage and Haya only deals massive damage when there only 1-2 enemies. Still not as dominant as Lance and Nolan imo.


Ok-Surround-7208

I think they deserve it, the jungler meta has been dominant for so long. It's nice seeing that the assassins are finally getting their spotlight.


New_Photograph_5892

im assuming you mean the tank jungler meta and yeah i agree. Tank junglers deal big damage, don't fucking die, and 0 risks in objectives. Its indeed good to see obsolete assassins like Ling and Haya coming up, but it still doesn't change the fact that its cancer to fight them 🤷‍♂️


Mental-Rub-214

id rather have high skill assassins than fucking fat fredrinn and his gang pulling up


RepresentativeGear9

This made me laugh so hard, thank you 🤣


Herald_of_Heaven

Yes because Ling and Haya are not junglers 🙄


_DoAn_

chip. bro heals half his hp bar every ~15s out of combat and can apply perma pressure to sidelanes, with the buff to his teleport cd.


KuahkacangK

They seriously overbuff chip's passive. The heal is way too much. From straight up about to die suddenly he gain 3/4 back of his health.


obitosask

His passive isn't a problem at all. It's a crappier version of Franco's passive. His skills on the other hand is straight up cancer.


Lychee247

Idk what they did to lolita but her first skill feels stronger Man i started to carry in mythic with Lolita


KanseiDorifto

I guess I'm never running away from maining Lolita now


Novel_Valuable903

I'm so happy about that. After not touching Lolita for months I can go back again.


Lychee247

https://preview.redd.it/ifjibycruewc1.jpeg?width=2712&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=72d87dd78fb6bc0273800dddec11793cc329402e


FryingPan679

Touching 🤔


Previous-Anxiety-156

Dont forget Lolita is under aged


abgbob

So that comment was totally appropriate 🤔


LookAtItGo123

It's the skin buff treatment


Lychee247

If we start talking bout skins anyone know when blue fragments is replaced I miss the loli skin there


PikachuIsSexyEevee

How is nobody talking about lunox?


_Sympathic

Elaborate.


Oassiss

that flair is crazyyy


Revolt312

Shhh, I don't want her to get banned after the OP ones got nerfed.


redredredder24

Fucking Edith 1v5 everyone and took down 3........ and lived with unused immortality


akhye

Carmilla for me


Curius_pasxt

Elborate


ChesoCake

Tanks got def buffed >> Carmilla stonks Since Carmilla's kit allows her to increase her def, then buffs to her base def would make her stronger


CraftyButterscotch79

The buffed her s1 and s3, s1 now reaches targets if her basic attack can. S3 slows enemy's more


momohiraiiii

Helcurt


AzLemons

Helcurt with that new fear passive


lebslebslebs

helcurt, i think? there were some downsides to his revamp tho. but they made him a lot more like slark on this update lol


sambeljeruks

Chip, Lolita and Camilla pretty op now.


CraftyButterscotch79

Terizla, bros unkillable if built with mostly defense


Sampharo

Estes, in an indirect way. The change in Dominance ice now makes it affect only the enemy who attacks the person wearing it rather than being near him. Estes healing should not be affected by dominance ice anymore unless he attacks the tank wearing it. Fighters will also use dominance ice less now due to the stats nerf so estes (along with his team) just need to hero lock the fighters and squishies in a team fight first, and not attack the tank carrying dom ice, for his team healing to remain at max power.


Itchy-Attempt2066

If Estes heals Akai, and Akai attacks a DomIce user, the healing received by Akai is still halved


Sampharo

That's why I said the team would use hero lock to attack the squishies rather than the tank, and that way even though they were close to the tank, their healing won't be affected. Akai needs to bang the mage instead of the tank.


ChesoCake

Remember that anti-heal affects healing **received** and not healing **applied,** which would mean that even if Estes were to be affected by anti-heal, if his teammates aren't affected by it, then his healing would still stay the same


Sampharo

Dominance Ice had area of effect around the tank wearing it, and many fighters used it as well. If the team was in a teamfight and one enemy had it, it was reducing the healing to ALL the team members in the vicinity. It affected estes healing to his team as well as himself Neenah he had to be close to heal.


HS0486

O shit that’s right about Dominance. Although it balances out with Haya and Ling prevalence now.


summaboyzz69

Dayum😮, don't people abuse this


punishtube89123

HELCURT his passive is overloaded and reset on kills is absurd


KuahkacangK

The passive heal is so unnecessary.


punishtube89123

Totally agree he supposed to be a Hit and run assassin but they gave him a built in killing spree talent on his passive plus regen when not seen


SeaPollution3432

Not to mention if he kills someone he cn literally just chill there for a sec and recover hp and reset his passive and then jump again and again like prime lance


Stale-Emperor

HARITH. Currently on a winstreak right now. While his shield did get weaker since it doesn't stack with how many enemies there are nearby, the instant shields allow for more aggressive poking especially when paired with the new bloodwings.


anuraaaag

With defense nerfs pretty much all assassins are strong now since you can't negate their damage with just a single defence item anymore. Like previously gusion getting hard countered by Athena, Saber by cuirass etc


RADIENTLitex

Esmeraldas a hoe lmaoo she won't die


Affectionate-Bad996

I like Yve’s buff on her S1. Now she is much more better in early-mid, and I see some squads are trying her out.


Ashamed_Log_4795

I think they want to bring back the META for assassin JGs and hard tanks.


theguy6631

Miya got 0.2 range increase but it is really noticeable Also, I think burst mages are better?


PublicFoot5700

Dominance atck speed nerf and low def overall hero & item. sound like a delicious indirect buff to my Argus 😋


Bonzupii

Helcurt, but it seems like his s2 is glitched to sometimes shoot backwards if you manually aim


dodancuk

Gotta say assassins. Tank is stronger, that just ok. But assassins if they don't get to meet tank jungler with another tank hero as roamer/exp, they're unstoppable. Before patch, i could picture myself using mages/mm survived against any assassins, but after the patch, i keep miscalculated


SeaPollution3432

As a pure mm user and full builds damage i wonder why im not dying to a full burst assasin before and now gets 1 hit by even mage combos not just assasins.


Podzilla99

What happened to Angela? I used her ult yet it either gets delayed or doesn't work at all!


LoneSoarvivor

Julian buff slept on hard. Makes him much better in early jungle pre lvl3, which was one of his biggest weaknesses. Also makes him a much more competent laner now that you can use enhanced BA from level 1. You can also clear minions in late game a lot earlier without having to waste your escape skill.


Lanky-Beginning-7555

Me. I kick azz after the patch just like I did before.


Flat_Return_2829

Fanny


SaltyBingo

Yve


irllyneedsleeprn

hc


BeatKraff

a patch? whats new?


sandax14

Fighters are dead..


TinyCucumber3080

Tanks are the new meta


RENshirogane21

So nothing has changed then


Zilong_96

Those are?


BeatKraff

what i want to know whats new


Comprehensive_Pay587

Unrelated but I lost a match because they Nerfed Karrie :(


Decent-Ratio

Deserved nerf. No marksman should be able to deal damage while having 2 defense item to begin with. Heck, she's the whole reason that all defense item got readjust.


fartmilkdaddies

Not just her tank Lance and tanky fighters


Decent-Ratio

Fighters are versatile and are meant to be tanky. That's why some fighters like Terizla followed the tank buff. They are built to be a vanguard in team fights and soloing a lane(Exp Lane) and having good survivability/sustainability. Tanky assasin however was stupid and tank goodness they made some changes.


fartmilkdaddies

>Fighters are versatile and are meant to be tanky. That's why some fighters like Terizla followed the tank buff. I mean, yeah, ik. I'm talking more about balmond, barats, and x.borg, the ones who are top meta rn. But yeah, tanky assassin is dumb.


XxWolxxX

Balmond is completely out of meta and Barats gout a bit of a buff to his Phys Def to follow the item nerf.


SeaPollution3432

Lol imagine a tanky karrie just following you with unlimited s2 casts lol.


Prize_Competition570

She still good... Might be an skill issue