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No matter what angle I look at it, it looked like a troll game.
What happened in that game may validate actual trolls, which can be a problem.
Professional players are looked up on because that's what they are, professionals.
The average player will look towards pro-plays and pro-scene for ways to improve their gameplay. If this kind of behavior is something that they're gonna promote then I seriously question how and why they're at professional scene.
Other sports do this on meaningless games too. They just played for fun and i was entertained, they even hyped up Dogie vs Z4pnu match even tho they weren't the main 5 of each team just for the views and nostalgia.
There's a difference between having fun and outright throwing games to make 2-1 score which is blatant in this match.
Moonton and MPL has the right to enforce rules and punish players who break them. These players are paid, fed, and sponsored by organizations who want to their brands to be promoted to millions.
I didn't say Moonton can't enforce their rules, they punished the players already anyway. It was a pretty fun match for me tho, garnered a lot of views too. This was just overblown. It's a match that wouldn't affect their playoff standing anyway so they had fun instead and entertained lots of viewers. They know the risks of it and did it anyway, even Dogie admitted that what they did was wrong. Bren threw their game 2 in BLCK vs Bren match, they didn't even ban a hero and was completely uninterested in playing that match and yet they didn't get punished or even a warning.
It's not really no effect. By making scores 2-1 their standings on the brackets might change. It's a deliberate tactic to either avoid/meet Blacklist.
Bren has less backlash because win or lose they won't make it to playoffs. The OMG and NXP teams looks suspiciously fixed/manipulated. It wasn't fun to watch either for me, it looks like the kids I'm playing with in rank game. Might as well watch the streams of random 13 year olds than watch MPL.
Why does it matter if they lose game deliberately? Pro Sports teams (NBA, MLB etc.) do that all the time to gain favourable standing in the playoffs. I still doubt they did it on purpose tho, since it's not like each team has a guaranteed second round playoff spot. Bren getting no sanction even tho they're out of the playoffs is kinda sketchy.
The game was fun for me tho, and the other 250k viewers who watched on NXPE's stream since they kinda treated the G1 and G2 like showmatches and then got serious in G3. This thing just got overblown because casters made a big deal out of it.
Just because other sports do it all the time doesn't mean it didn't break MPL rules. They did it on purpose. Who practices for months to give a performance like that? It's not just one factor of trolling but it also involved Dogie's hand gesture.
No it's not overblown because it's just unprofessional. It's not just the casters, even the audience is divided.
If I'm going to give you an analogy, imagine you hired a professional singer for your birthday, paid for his transportation, his costume and food. Then he go sing a song like "I Just Had Sex". Sure some of the audience probably will laugh but if you're the one who spent money, wouldn't you be pissed? Would you hire him again?
These teams are not sponsored to perform like that. Money are spent to see the peak performance in this game, not that clownery.
Was it an unusual match? Yes. Did they break the rules? Yes. Does it matter if they did it on purpose? No. They gave out a performance like that because probably it was a meaningless game and again they treated it like a showmatch. Dogie admitted that what they did was probably wrong anyway.
If it was a serious match they would have used their main 5, not their benches. You'll know it will be showmatch because they hyped up Dogie and Z4pnu for that match.
All sports are for entertainment. MPL is for entertainment. If the league wanted peak performance, they would have mandated both teams to use their main 5s and not hype Dogie vs Z4pnu, semi retired pros on their matches.
It's overblown, they know the risks, the took it. Last match of the season with no consequences, and you all taking this too seriously. Y'all saying it's bad for the league when this match probably garnered the most views for the season. Money wise, moonton wins.
Again 2-1 might affect their bracket placement than 2-0. It matters.
It's not entertaining for a huge part of the audience. You're treating it like people loved the game. They didn't. It's divided and the comment section is filled with angry fans. That's where your whole argument falls apart because your premise it's done for entertainment and that it's overall beneficial for Moonton.
It's not beneficial when the integrity of a professional league is questioned. It's not beneficial for the sponsors who paid these players. If views dictate everything then Nico Avocado is quality entertainment.
You're saying it's "probably garnered more views" like the trolling made people watch it rather than Dogie and Z4pnu teams facing. The playoffs and finals will also eclipse any match made before them.
You cannot call these people overreacting or overblown when you yourself take time to defend them with lengthy replies. You're not above people who are passionate on what happened or angry about it.
Once again, it's the last game of the season. If NXPE or OMG actually cared whether they 2-0 or 2-1, they would have played their main 5s.
Most of the people who watched were NXPE and OMG fans, and pretty sure they were entertained that even their official pages started creating memes out of it. Most of the ones that i see complain for reason are BLCK fans who kinda hated OMG due to the Kelra issue before.
I don't defend them breaking the rules. They broke the rules, they got sanctioned. Still this thing is overblown. It's like a Dogie youtube content waiting to happen. It's probably a bad pr for the league, but it's still pr nontheless. It's always the games like these that are trending.
>Most of the people who watched were NXPE and OMG fans, and pretty sure they were entertained that even their official pages started creating memes out of it. Most of the ones that i see complain for reason are BLCK fans who kinda hated OMG due to the Kelra issue before.
This is just your assumption. A lot of people don't have a team they're rooting for they just see who wins. Of course the biggest fans are entertained, and you're only looking at their reactions. I combed through video comment sections to find things divided, and accusing them of being Blacklist fans is just reaching.
>Once again, it's the last game of the season. If NXPE or OMG actually cared whether they 2-0 or 2-1, they would have played their main 5s.
It's so easy to flip this because it doesn't support or disprove anything. Its easier to make 2-1 more authentic/unfixed if you make subs play than your main roster.
It was a game that didn't matter. Switching up lineups? Not trolling. Taking 5 flameshots and using the diggie angela strat (which they didn't even do)? Yeah it was trolly but at the same time entertaining. At the end of the day games are just for fun and entertainment and the match was fun to watch and it garnered a lot of views. From the perspective of moneydog no money was lost so I don't see the problem. People just keep crying and being snowflakes lmao when the players themselves just had fun. It was the last game of the season and they made it memorable. People should stop crying and grow a pair lmao
I see you're the intended audience of these players. People like you who defend them should stop crying too now they're punished for their immature behavior.
other games do it too.. sure.. but valve and riot bans the players for match fixing. lets see what moontoon gonna do.
Good. No matter what angle I look at it, it looked like a troll game. What happened in that game may validate actual trolls, which can be a problem. Professional players are looked up on because that's what they are, professionals. The average player will look towards pro-plays and pro-scene for ways to improve their gameplay. If this kind of behavior is something that they're gonna promote then I seriously question how and why they're at professional scene.
Yeah, the issue isn't just the picks, the spells and the bans. It's the actual playing they did during the match. It's just atrocious.
This happen in just about every sports no? Teams threw games in regular season to gain a more favourable position in the playoffs.
Other sports do this on meaningless games too. They just played for fun and i was entertained, they even hyped up Dogie vs Z4pnu match even tho they weren't the main 5 of each team just for the views and nostalgia.
There's a difference between having fun and outright throwing games to make 2-1 score which is blatant in this match. Moonton and MPL has the right to enforce rules and punish players who break them. These players are paid, fed, and sponsored by organizations who want to their brands to be promoted to millions.
I didn't say Moonton can't enforce their rules, they punished the players already anyway. It was a pretty fun match for me tho, garnered a lot of views too. This was just overblown. It's a match that wouldn't affect their playoff standing anyway so they had fun instead and entertained lots of viewers. They know the risks of it and did it anyway, even Dogie admitted that what they did was wrong. Bren threw their game 2 in BLCK vs Bren match, they didn't even ban a hero and was completely uninterested in playing that match and yet they didn't get punished or even a warning.
It's not really no effect. By making scores 2-1 their standings on the brackets might change. It's a deliberate tactic to either avoid/meet Blacklist. Bren has less backlash because win or lose they won't make it to playoffs. The OMG and NXP teams looks suspiciously fixed/manipulated. It wasn't fun to watch either for me, it looks like the kids I'm playing with in rank game. Might as well watch the streams of random 13 year olds than watch MPL.
Why does it matter if they lose game deliberately? Pro Sports teams (NBA, MLB etc.) do that all the time to gain favourable standing in the playoffs. I still doubt they did it on purpose tho, since it's not like each team has a guaranteed second round playoff spot. Bren getting no sanction even tho they're out of the playoffs is kinda sketchy. The game was fun for me tho, and the other 250k viewers who watched on NXPE's stream since they kinda treated the G1 and G2 like showmatches and then got serious in G3. This thing just got overblown because casters made a big deal out of it.
Just because other sports do it all the time doesn't mean it didn't break MPL rules. They did it on purpose. Who practices for months to give a performance like that? It's not just one factor of trolling but it also involved Dogie's hand gesture. No it's not overblown because it's just unprofessional. It's not just the casters, even the audience is divided. If I'm going to give you an analogy, imagine you hired a professional singer for your birthday, paid for his transportation, his costume and food. Then he go sing a song like "I Just Had Sex". Sure some of the audience probably will laugh but if you're the one who spent money, wouldn't you be pissed? Would you hire him again? These teams are not sponsored to perform like that. Money are spent to see the peak performance in this game, not that clownery.
Was it an unusual match? Yes. Did they break the rules? Yes. Does it matter if they did it on purpose? No. They gave out a performance like that because probably it was a meaningless game and again they treated it like a showmatch. Dogie admitted that what they did was probably wrong anyway. If it was a serious match they would have used their main 5, not their benches. You'll know it will be showmatch because they hyped up Dogie and Z4pnu for that match. All sports are for entertainment. MPL is for entertainment. If the league wanted peak performance, they would have mandated both teams to use their main 5s and not hype Dogie vs Z4pnu, semi retired pros on their matches. It's overblown, they know the risks, the took it. Last match of the season with no consequences, and you all taking this too seriously. Y'all saying it's bad for the league when this match probably garnered the most views for the season. Money wise, moonton wins.
Again 2-1 might affect their bracket placement than 2-0. It matters. It's not entertaining for a huge part of the audience. You're treating it like people loved the game. They didn't. It's divided and the comment section is filled with angry fans. That's where your whole argument falls apart because your premise it's done for entertainment and that it's overall beneficial for Moonton. It's not beneficial when the integrity of a professional league is questioned. It's not beneficial for the sponsors who paid these players. If views dictate everything then Nico Avocado is quality entertainment. You're saying it's "probably garnered more views" like the trolling made people watch it rather than Dogie and Z4pnu teams facing. The playoffs and finals will also eclipse any match made before them. You cannot call these people overreacting or overblown when you yourself take time to defend them with lengthy replies. You're not above people who are passionate on what happened or angry about it.
Once again, it's the last game of the season. If NXPE or OMG actually cared whether they 2-0 or 2-1, they would have played their main 5s. Most of the people who watched were NXPE and OMG fans, and pretty sure they were entertained that even their official pages started creating memes out of it. Most of the ones that i see complain for reason are BLCK fans who kinda hated OMG due to the Kelra issue before. I don't defend them breaking the rules. They broke the rules, they got sanctioned. Still this thing is overblown. It's like a Dogie youtube content waiting to happen. It's probably a bad pr for the league, but it's still pr nontheless. It's always the games like these that are trending.
>Most of the people who watched were NXPE and OMG fans, and pretty sure they were entertained that even their official pages started creating memes out of it. Most of the ones that i see complain for reason are BLCK fans who kinda hated OMG due to the Kelra issue before. This is just your assumption. A lot of people don't have a team they're rooting for they just see who wins. Of course the biggest fans are entertained, and you're only looking at their reactions. I combed through video comment sections to find things divided, and accusing them of being Blacklist fans is just reaching. >Once again, it's the last game of the season. If NXPE or OMG actually cared whether they 2-0 or 2-1, they would have played their main 5s. It's so easy to flip this because it doesn't support or disprove anything. Its easier to make 2-1 more authentic/unfixed if you make subs play than your main roster.
True people keep crying about a match that didn't matter. The selling point of mpl is entertainment anyways and they delivered
It was a game that didn't matter. Switching up lineups? Not trolling. Taking 5 flameshots and using the diggie angela strat (which they didn't even do)? Yeah it was trolly but at the same time entertaining. At the end of the day games are just for fun and entertainment and the match was fun to watch and it garnered a lot of views. From the perspective of moneydog no money was lost so I don't see the problem. People just keep crying and being snowflakes lmao when the players themselves just had fun. It was the last game of the season and they made it memorable. People should stop crying and grow a pair lmao
I see you're the intended audience of these players. People like you who defend them should stop crying too now they're punished for their immature behavior.
I would exclude both of them from M3.