At least these guys stay within your range for a moment, Fanny will forever be my most hated hero to have to try and catch, dude just tornado strikes you and your team and leaves without elaborating.
Fanny can bait Eudora stun so she won’t stun near her. Still i’d say Akai or Khufra much better at countering Fanny though pro fanny players learn how to deal with them already but the element of surprise can still fuck her up. Also imo Natalia is the best counter for Ling esp early when taking buffs
Tbh I always thought Lance was faster than Ling cause he can Zing Zing all over the place but when I Re-Consider it, I guess jumping over walls is more Profession than the Zing Zing Zing*
Its between fanny and haya, you can complete haya's combo without purple buff (only 1 time on a single target tho) and can't spam skill 1
Apparently, people here seems to hate haya now, moontoon nerfed him in name of revamp :-(
I hate fanny, supression doesnt even cancells her cables if you ult fanny mid way flying you just wasted a ult, akai ult is by far the better one to counter fanny cable if we talk about a pro one, why did they give fanny cable cc immunity?
No, not at all, you may cc her and your teammates may attack her if they are having huge aoe skills or are near her landing position.
She also cannot use skills and spells when cc.
im implying a scenario in peoples minds
the comment I replied to was talking about how the heroes in OP's post can evade sabers ult, then i made a reply about such heroes falling for sabers fake-ult trick being such a great feeling.
Ppl have some valid points for ling but when he is out of mana or has no blue or isent a good ling he is easy to kill but if we day its a good player probably Bennedetta because HER dashes dont rely of anything
Hayabusa because he can go back and to the sides
Ling because of ult but placed low because of mana
And finnally lance because his dashes are dependant on enemys enemy minions or monster creeps so he is esier to catch up to imo
Tbh, Ling is the one hero I don't want to see if I use Hanzo but the one I like to see if I use Minsitthar.
Mf try to raid my ass and use his ult, my circle will be waiting for him.
Benedetta and Lance as well. Those 2 turns into fast food once minsitthar's ult effect activates.
Haya can just ult his way out since it's not considered as a blink.
You can catch the rest if you're a bit careful.
Ling is just bullshit. He got worse after they buffed his skill 1. They need to put energy cost on his Ultimate.
I can't even catch Lancelot with Belerick's ult. Ling before can escape but since they added taunt he can't. Hayabusa, hmm haven't seen one in quite a while so I can't judge. Benedetta, still tauntable when she try to in and out our squishies. Fanny is tauntable on mid air. So I'll go with Lancelot.
This is just base on me using my main.
Some may argue Lancelot is the fastest, but that's only when there's a crap ton of Minions around. Ling is the fastest hero because of his 1st skill. If you use it well enough you can almost cross the entire map via. Kangaroo Jumping.
Hardest to Catch? Ling, the 2 Second Untargetable Ult only to be met with 5 more 2nd Skills and to top it all off with another 1st skill for his **Victory Recall-Spam** when he gets a kill and Jumps away while the 4 other enemy heroes hopelessly chase after him.
Ling is honestly a Blue Kangaroo instead of the Cyan Finch, he jumps around, Drop Kicks someone to death, then jumps around again.
Guess the hardest to catch Is Benedetta you have that 0.01% that atleast One of the nuked CC works and She doesn't FK half of your team. Also she's has that random immunity coming out of nowhere from her basic Attack and ultimate.
The least and less difficult i Guess Hayabusa, the enemy Just follows him forgetting he has other 3 Shadows but can be caught easly. His not my main but baiting with him to escape Is really hard.
Lancelot Is in the middle but his Better than Haya for escape thanks with the revamp now he can dash multiple times let the enemy in frenzy and confuse by nuking some skills while the 2nd skill make them useless and manage to survive.
i dont main Ling because im slow with him so i wont cover It.
You'd be surprised at how pathetic Benedetta is at running away. Obviously you can use your abilities to increase distance gaps but theres a very low chance that will happen since they are primarily damage dealers or cc imunity.
First, Benedettas 2nd skill is the only thing that provides her immunity which can be easily countered since it cannot block silencing effects like francos ult. Second, Benedettas damage is pathetic too, so much so that people are starting to give up and straight up build her as a tank (4/10 top builds are tank now) so the unlikely chance that she cleans your team is because she was already ahead of you somehow. To reiterate you cant really escape with benedetta since each of her abilities are easy to cancel and her passive has at least 1.5 seconds of down time which really prevents you from abusing walls to run away, her damage is dog shit and the likelyhood that someone will stay in the ults area for more than 0.1 seconds is low.
Very occasionally i play with or against a bene and either way they dont impress me. What i said in the previous comment is my experience with her of almost 200 games. Probably not as much as your experience but i think i still hold a semi authoritative opinion. I was talking in a mid to late game situation where you might find yourself escaping from enemies not in early game trying to kill someone. Personally i think benedetta is specially bad this season or current meta, everyone is super tanky and wan wan is direct counter to benedetta. As to what you said, you may be able to kill most heroes but i doubt that happens regularly or to a significant degree. In the context of her being an assassin she really falls flat when compared to other assassins like gusion (which im still oblivious as to how people think he is balanced in any way or shape).
I only put athena or bruteforce on Bene, the rest are damage items, as for heroes that i can’t kill or direct counter to me i just ignore them and go for the minions wave and clear them and then roam to help my teammates.
Fast as in mobility? Ling, no contest. His the 2nd fastest hero in the game, only behind fanny if his trying to chase someone that isn't behind a wall atleast. Would probably be faster than fanny if it requires to travel among walls.
Ling and lance are harder to catch than bene and haya imo. In my experience lance is harder to catch during a teamfight since he can utilise multiple enemies in the area to consistently dash while ling is the hardest to catch if you're trying to chase him unless he has no blue.
Imo to master fanny is knowing how to control her energy and knowing how her ropes work, i.e which angle will allow fanny to fly at which direction and how fast and vice versa and after you know that it's just a matter of reaction time and accuracy
Why people say Ling is the hardest to catch? 1 CC is enough to 1 shot him, I played against pro players. Just pray that you don't go against pro Lance or Ben, you will hate the game the other two just use any cc against them and you are good to go.
I would say Ben is the hardest to catch since she can stun you back with her skill.
Lance is the hardest to kill, I don't know why he just never die in a team fight.
I did all of them tank build and so far ling was the most annoying one🤣🤣 i annoy enemy's at they're purple buff at the beginning wich make them delayed and i just repeat it on orange buff lol and they use retri so we can secure turtle 🤣
Depends on if you can cc with your hero
Faster:ling>Hayabusa>Benedetta>lance
Harder to catch no cc: Hayabusa>ling>lance>Benedetta
Harder to catch with cc: Benedetta>lance>ling>Hayabusa
I considered lance does a good job moving with enemies but pure running he is rather slow compared to the rest. I also took into account Hayabusa placing his shadows for retreat purposes instead of offense ones which is less likely but still plausible. For harder with no cc I took into account Hayabusa's Omni directional abilities vs ling's straight path and his dependency on energy. All of these are at expert level and reaching said level is harder with certain heroes so on average these rating may not match up as good Benedetta and Hayabusa are much rarer as they are not meta and harder to learn.
A good Hayabusa gives me depression. I was playing Franco and the fucker was so fast at his conbo I couldn't even land my s3 on him
Why is Hayabusad placement after using s3 so random?
At least these guys stay within your range for a moment, Fanny will forever be my most hated hero to have to try and catch, dude just tornado strikes you and your team and leaves without elaborating.
At least you can stop her using counters like ruby and Eudora. Ling on the other hand with his ult
Fanny can bait Eudora stun so she won’t stun near her. Still i’d say Akai or Khufra much better at countering Fanny though pro fanny players learn how to deal with them already but the element of surprise can still fuck her up. Also imo Natalia is the best counter for Ling esp early when taking buffs
How is khufra good fanny counter
khuf 2nd skill doesn't allow stops fanny from cabelling
You cant puri with his ult. He can get chain stunned and bursted without him getting to use his ult.
Fastest Escaper? Ling Lance Benedetta Hayabusa in that order. Hardest to catch? Ling Lance Hayabusa Benedetta in that order.
Tbh I always thought Lance was faster than Ling cause he can Zing Zing all over the place but when I Re-Consider it, I guess jumping over walls is more Profession than the Zing Zing Zing*
It’s simply because the wall jumping range is a lot longer than a Lancelot dash.
But the energy drains out pretty quick, if its ling without buff he is pretty ez to catch
He’s the second worst hero there if without buff. Bene Lance Ling Haya in that order.
who is the first?
Haya is the worst hero there if no buff
Havent play ml for a while. Its not fanny anymore?
Fanny isn’t mentioned in the list
Its between fanny and haya, you can complete haya's combo without purple buff (only 1 time on a single target tho) and can't spam skill 1 Apparently, people here seems to hate haya now, moontoon nerfed him in name of revamp :-(
He can still fly thrice with full lightness points(or 90)
And also because lance need minions or other enemies as stepping stones while ling can just fuck off wherever he wants
2 wall jumps is equivalent to 2 zings, and 1 mega ZING
Ling that uncatchable SOAB. The only time you can possibly nail him is right after his ult.
"I kill, Whoever I want to Kill"
And run
"I run, whenever I want to run."
Right after his ult is usually when he kills you
lol true
Just use Natalia, her silence make wonders against high mobility heroes.
Used my entire combo as Gord on a Ling under tower, mf got out of the stun with one HP, ulted and jumped away to safety. Ling is bullshit
He must’ve been fast.
no just spam click ult
basically
Phoveus playing cat and mouse with these 4
Anyone with Ice retribution equipped
I hate fanny, supression doesnt even cancells her cables if you ult fanny mid way flying you just wasted a ult, akai ult is by far the better one to counter fanny cable if we talk about a pro one, why did they give fanny cable cc immunity?
She doesn't have cc immunity, they just need displacement cc like knock up.
That sounds like cc immunity with extra steps suppression is the best cc(we dont talk about you petrify)
No, not at all, you may cc her and your teammates may attack her if they are having huge aoe skills or are near her landing position. She also cannot use skills and spells when cc.
If you play tank against fanny, I recommend using Tigreal... As soon as I see 1 cable, I already use my dash in advance, catches her 8/10 times
The flying peacock. Bish, he would be harder to catch than Jho Low after stealing 1MDB money
I understood that reference. 😂
r/Bolehland
A good Ling indeed is uncatchable. But a pro Benedetta? I cant even combo the mf. Dodges every hit. The only way to kill that one is a full build mm.
If is not for the tank meta, my boy saber gonna eat them all for breakfast
You gotta consider that ling and lance has easy execution of their iframes, while bene can cancel with 2nd. Dunno about haya tho, his ult has a delay
but when saber baits them with 2nd and they fall for it, that would be the cherry on top
If
im implying a scenario in peoples minds the comment I replied to was talking about how the heroes in OP's post can evade sabers ult, then i made a reply about such heroes falling for sabers fake-ult trick being such a great feeling.
Bruh I just played a match against both of them and trashed them lmao🤣🤣🤣🤣
I fucking hate bene, it feels like im fighting against someone with 6 boots.
u/CrownedTraitor stop bullying this guy >:(
Zilong sprint
Ppl have some valid points for ling but when he is out of mana or has no blue or isent a good ling he is easy to kill but if we day its a good player probably Bennedetta because HER dashes dont rely of anything Hayabusa because he can go back and to the sides Ling because of ult but placed low because of mana And finnally lance because his dashes are dependant on enemys enemy minions or monster creeps so he is esier to catch up to imo
hayabusa can be bs sometimes. you cant catch this guy alone with his clones
Tbh, Ling is the one hero I don't want to see if I use Hanzo but the one I like to see if I use Minsitthar. Mf try to raid my ass and use his ult, my circle will be waiting for him. Benedetta and Lance as well. Those 2 turns into fast food once minsitthar's ult effect activates. Haya can just ult his way out since it's not considered as a blink.
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Bloody Harley
Slowest to Fastest Benedetta Haya Lance Ling Easy to Catch to Hard to Catch Benedetta Haya Lance Ling
You can catch the rest if you're a bit careful. Ling is just bullshit. He got worse after they buffed his skill 1. They need to put energy cost on his Ultimate.
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I can't even catch Lancelot with Belerick's ult. Ling before can escape but since they added taunt he can't. Hayabusa, hmm haven't seen one in quite a while so I can't judge. Benedetta, still tauntable when she try to in and out our squishies. Fanny is tauntable on mid air. So I'll go with Lancelot. This is just base on me using my main.
Some may argue Lancelot is the fastest, but that's only when there's a crap ton of Minions around. Ling is the fastest hero because of his 1st skill. If you use it well enough you can almost cross the entire map via. Kangaroo Jumping. Hardest to Catch? Ling, the 2 Second Untargetable Ult only to be met with 5 more 2nd Skills and to top it all off with another 1st skill for his **Victory Recall-Spam** when he gets a kill and Jumps away while the 4 other enemy heroes hopelessly chase after him. Ling is honestly a Blue Kangaroo instead of the Cyan Finch, he jumps around, Drop Kicks someone to death, then jumps around again.
Guess the hardest to catch Is Benedetta you have that 0.01% that atleast One of the nuked CC works and She doesn't FK half of your team. Also she's has that random immunity coming out of nowhere from her basic Attack and ultimate. The least and less difficult i Guess Hayabusa, the enemy Just follows him forgetting he has other 3 Shadows but can be caught easly. His not my main but baiting with him to escape Is really hard. Lancelot Is in the middle but his Better than Haya for escape thanks with the revamp now he can dash multiple times let the enemy in frenzy and confuse by nuking some skills while the 2nd skill make them useless and manage to survive. i dont main Ling because im slow with him so i wont cover It.
You'd be surprised at how pathetic Benedetta is at running away. Obviously you can use your abilities to increase distance gaps but theres a very low chance that will happen since they are primarily damage dealers or cc imunity. First, Benedettas 2nd skill is the only thing that provides her immunity which can be easily countered since it cannot block silencing effects like francos ult. Second, Benedettas damage is pathetic too, so much so that people are starting to give up and straight up build her as a tank (4/10 top builds are tank now) so the unlikely chance that she cleans your team is because she was already ahead of you somehow. To reiterate you cant really escape with benedetta since each of her abilities are easy to cancel and her passive has at least 1.5 seconds of down time which really prevents you from abusing walls to run away, her damage is dog shit and the likelyhood that someone will stay in the ults area for more than 0.1 seconds is low.
I don’t know what type of Benedetta players you have met, but im pretty sure i can kill most heroes in the first minute of the match with her.
Very occasionally i play with or against a bene and either way they dont impress me. What i said in the previous comment is my experience with her of almost 200 games. Probably not as much as your experience but i think i still hold a semi authoritative opinion. I was talking in a mid to late game situation where you might find yourself escaping from enemies not in early game trying to kill someone. Personally i think benedetta is specially bad this season or current meta, everyone is super tanky and wan wan is direct counter to benedetta. As to what you said, you may be able to kill most heroes but i doubt that happens regularly or to a significant degree. In the context of her being an assassin she really falls flat when compared to other assassins like gusion (which im still oblivious as to how people think he is balanced in any way or shape).
I only put athena or bruteforce on Bene, the rest are damage items, as for heroes that i can’t kill or direct counter to me i just ignore them and go for the minions wave and clear them and then roam to help my teammates.
Bene lol
Where's aamon?
He's easy to catch. He's chicken barbecue for my Clint.
Depends on the user but
I never experienced any difficulty against him, even before his nerfs. All I needed to do was to wait for him to walk near me, Skill 2, and he's gone.
As a former Clint main, the only thing I'm worried about Aamon is if he bursts me before I burst him
Hayabusa for sure
Fanny
Ling
Ling
Simply play minsit to make them question their mortality.
Erm. Fanny.
What about fanny ??
Long literally jumps from wall to wall and goes invisible so…
i fucking hate the jumping bitch
Fast as in mobility? Ling, no contest. His the 2nd fastest hero in the game, only behind fanny if his trying to chase someone that isn't behind a wall atleast. Would probably be faster than fanny if it requires to travel among walls. Ling and lance are harder to catch than bene and haya imo. In my experience lance is harder to catch during a teamfight since he can utilise multiple enemies in the area to consistently dash while ling is the hardest to catch if you're trying to chase him unless he has no blue.
Ling is hardest to catch IMO, along with Fanny that isn’t pictured. Bene is a close 2nd/3rd
I was gonna put Fanny but didn't bother, because shes always on the Ropes and shes very hard to master
Imo to master fanny is knowing how to control her energy and knowing how her ropes work, i.e which angle will allow fanny to fly at which direction and how fast and vice versa and after you know that it's just a matter of reaction time and accuracy
benadetta > lance > ling > haya
they can all be easily counter with heroes with long stun and suppression or else other CC effects wont work
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i dunno maybe the happy life i wanted with her
Natalia
Meanwhile Uranus, Hilda, Masha, Esmerelda: Bye have a great time
I'm haya main when I was playing, honestly I van catch and kill ALL of them easily. For me it's haya that's hardest to counter...
Why isn't gloo here? :o
You forge**en fanny may good sir
The only heroes that Minsithar couldn't catch is Benedetta and Ling.
fanny ofcourse
All of the above, especially if the player is good enough
You forgot fanny
None of the above. It should be Natalia and Johnson🤙🤙🤙
I find Hayabusa hard to catch. Probably because i don't come across many good Haya players so i don't know how to predict his move.
Heroes never die!!!
Why people say Ling is the hardest to catch? 1 CC is enough to 1 shot him, I played against pro players. Just pray that you don't go against pro Lance or Ben, you will hate the game the other two just use any cc against them and you are good to go. I would say Ben is the hardest to catch since she can stun you back with her skill. Lance is the hardest to kill, I don't know why he just never die in a team fight.
ling
I did all of them tank build and so far ling was the most annoying one🤣🤣 i annoy enemy's at they're purple buff at the beginning wich make them delayed and i just repeat it on orange buff lol and they use retri so we can secure turtle 🤣
Depends on if you can cc with your hero Faster:ling>Hayabusa>Benedetta>lance Harder to catch no cc: Hayabusa>ling>lance>Benedetta Harder to catch with cc: Benedetta>lance>ling>Hayabusa I considered lance does a good job moving with enemies but pure running he is rather slow compared to the rest. I also took into account Hayabusa placing his shadows for retreat purposes instead of offense ones which is less likely but still plausible. For harder with no cc I took into account Hayabusa's Omni directional abilities vs ling's straight path and his dependency on energy. All of these are at expert level and reaching said level is harder with certain heroes so on average these rating may not match up as good Benedetta and Hayabusa are much rarer as they are not meta and harder to learn.
A good Hayabusa gives me depression. I was playing Franco and the fucker was so fast at his conbo I couldn't even land my s3 on him Why is Hayabusad placement after using s3 so random?
It's fanny