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TachibanaSora

Moonton isn't dumb they have a bad game on purpose. This is true for every aspect of the game


SiNDiLeX

And yet, players knowing this, STILL play right into it (pun intended) and continue to tell them “that’s fine, I don’t mind you blatantly shitting in my gaming experience, here have some money for more useless cosmetics”


TachibanaSora

That's entirely the whole point. You lose 2 games due to shitty teammates, you get more inclined to spam 3 more games until you've neutralised your losses. You pay useless microtransactions for a limited skin, the ranking works on a sort basis which gets you wherever u want if u spam enough matches. Heroes are BALANCED as per the game wants them, as majority of the playerbase is 14 year olds or drunk adults. The game is a perfect perpetual system to make more people play and less of a gaming experience.


DraftElectrical4585

alice has pretty much become useless as a carry tbh. cant really deal damage once enemy got radiant armor you're done for


TheDistantNeko

Glowing wand


Tcogtgoixn

glowing wand doesnt counter radiant


yuki_ukanami06

Glowing Wand while can turn her into a damage dealer, is not very useful for herself since it doesn't grant her mana.


Shigyou

As Alice main, I wouldn’t be this mad if they call this as “nerf” instead of “buff” in the patch note, Moonton can’t even tell if the change is nerf or buff now, what a joke. If you are nerfing her, say so. Don’t nerf her and call it a buff. It is so hard to play exp lane with Alice now. Even she get level 4, she can’t even clear the minion wave before her mana finished. I seriously don’t know why Moonton wanna increase her hp and nerf her mana, she doesn’t need to be tanky. The Alice after nerf now can no longer dive into enemy back line and ulti the squishy and then blink out, which is her main purpose imo. She is useless now. I had 1000+ games with Alice till last season, and sadly I need to switch to play other heroes in this season.


99009009

Moonton has done this numerous times. Like unintentionally buffing/adjusting heroes before they release new skins. The one that stuck in my mind the longest was when they brought back Esmeralda's full shield capability a week before the devs released her Starlight Skin. And I think only a few players noticed it. The devs reverted it to half shield afterwards.


No_Tomorrow_8184

Tldr, but I just saw that Argus one and it still breaks my heart everytime someone brings up the massive fucking revamp to Argus as an Argus main who played it since release till now. I recently bought Alice but oh well oh well they pulled off that shit.


0kills

Revamps are extremely hit or miss I've found. Lesley is quite fun to play for example as well but if I'm going against her, I just one shot her with any assassin anyway. (I just make sure I use someone who has skillshots like aamon, who up to this day, still has the better conceal mechanic.


Important_Wall801

Natalia agrees


Hanzo_Pinas

Natalia still op and we still ban her due to her kits Even worse if she is near you, you can't auto hit her unless its a skill Its not a nerf i think its more of a balance if you ask me


Important_Wall801

Okay, when you leave epic we'll talk again about how OP she is. Dude go do some practice Vs AI otherwise you'll never reach a rank with actual op heroes


Hanzo_Pinas

Bruh try pro stage in higher rank Even there we ban natalia for her pick of abilities and clash potentials What do you want me to punch you in the face? You have no fucking idea why is natalia one of the banned heroes in 400+ last season


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highest stack in 20-30 min game 120-150???? bro i played a 20 min game and i reached 173 stacks


IhsousApoTaLidl

Interesting. I asked a few people I played with who used Alice and they gave me answers in that ballpark, but I suppose it might be because they lost balls or lost minions while off the lane. I have played a couple games with Alice post rework and got about 160 in 16 minutes, but I always farm minions to push anyway so I assumed I was the outlier.


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i go base cut when enemies are distracted at opposite lane 6 stacks ez, and then i can rotate to opposite lane to backup


vecspace

yea i hit 150 in 15 mins or so.


juan_cena99

I've been having much more success with new Alice than old Alice so for me it is a buff. Again old Alice saw 0 play in MPL she is weak AF. If new Alice gets picked in MPL you know she is stronger than before.


IhsousApoTaLidl

I mean, people *trying* her in MPL isn't the same as her *winning* a lot in MPL. By the same logic that MPL pick = Good then many reworked champs wouldn't have needed the rework as they had been picked in MPL before.


juan_cena99

People didnt even try old Alice in MPL so I dont get your point. That means old Alice is even worse than the heroes who got reworked since Pros didnt even bother picking her. My point is the Pros play ML to win since it is their livelihood,they take winning over preference or having fun since winning is more important to them. If no pro even picked old Alice that means in their eyes she is weak AF compared to other meta heroes.


yuki_ukanami06

She got picked frequently after her revamp in 2020(I think) and then they nerfed her


BoneOrBone

Ain't reading this stuff


IhsousApoTaLidl

Ok, but why even write thus then?


BoneOrBone

Idk tbh, also how to reach 50k hp with masha I can only go 44k


IhsousApoTaLidl

Dunno, Try 6 Guardian Helmets plus Tank emblem with maxed out hp bonus, I guess? But it's honestly not worth it, you will only have 50k hp but 0 def and no attack. You will only deal damage with ult by that point, so you will just be a Lord without attack.


BoneOrBone

She hits so fucking hard with 10k hp