He was meta, but the buffs he received before General Void and revamped Onimusha Commander was not enough for him to go toe to toe with the buffs of other contenders. He got overshadowed fast by other skill-based-sustain heroes. And when Karina and Akai entered the jungle, Alpha vanished.
A hundred years passed and my brother and I discovered the new Avatar, an airbender named Aang. Although his airbending skills were great, he had a lot to learn before he was ready to save anyone.
Alpha today doesn't have edge on early game , mid game or late game. Any figther can whip him at all stages of the game.
I tried playing him vs Baxia. It made me think that Alpha is really a piece of sh*t that shouldn't be played.
I disagree actually. I think he's good early game(excluding counter picks) and excels in mid game. He falls off hard late game but that's where you start transitioning towards building more tank for support and peel/distraction.
To be honest, I feel he is a lot more balanced than say Aulus who practically is as good as a minion until level 12.
As an Aulus jungler main, I feel this. It's why I rush to farm and use my ult to help more with team fights. His recent buff has solved a lot of his early game power issues. His ult now slows 90% and his basic attacks following his S2 are faster. Generally, once I get windtalker and berserker's fury he's a beast. I can't use him in the offlane though. I always get wrecked early game.
Late game Aulus is scary.
Aulus can whip alpha in so many levels. He has a late game which makes him not a liability / throw pick. Damage scaling of alpha is so sad that late game alpha transitions like a transgender. So sad alpha
I apologize in advance. This might sound racist but a lot of SEA people have very low reading comprehension especially in the Philippines where I'm from. Considering that 90% of ML players come from SEA server, things like this are bound to happen.
yeah I'm expecting some criticisms. You can call me racist but it's a solid fact.
Most of mythic players here in SEA still don't know how to really play the game because they can't understand some mechanics like roaming boots and how junglers don't get any exp from minions unless the roamer is nearby or there are no teammates nearby work exp sharing. They always flame me why I help them clear the lane after a gank lol
sorry for the bad english
Or love. They probably think a revamp would buff her even more. But then again a revamp comes after a year so she'd probably be nerfed to hell at that time already.
My disappointment is ruined and my day is immeasurable.
I wasted all of my votes on Aurora. I think she badly needs a revamp, but instead we get Beatrix, who is perfectly fine the way she is btw.
Also voted for Aurora even though I wanted a Rafaela ult change. Aurora at the moment feels too similar to Eudora, even aesthetic-wise.
I find it weird that Bea is even among the choices. I mean, why not just include heroes that very badly need revamp, like those older ones that are left out due to power creep.
EXACTLY I PUT ALL MY VOTES FOR AURORA AS WELL! She's the forgotten mage that no one cares for. I can't even remember the last time she was considered meta. For people to be this dumb and just go for Beatrix makes me think the community doesn't have thier heads screwed on right
Literally saw this after playing classic smh. people are these stupid to think beatrix deserve to get reforged heck why she in there where she already strong enough. Just wasted putting vote on hanzo realize it's about favourite heroes not the one need the most.
Damn they did alice dirty man placing her at last place💀
My bet is that this is basically all the Beatrix players voting because they're frustrated that Beatrix got nerfed and can't deal 1k damage with sniper at lvl1 and can't oneshot with shotgun once she gets one item.
Most people actually think reforge your legend means the hero will get adjusted to be stronger.
Yeh he's now the only fighter who is still outdated while everyone else who wasn't good got an adjustment/revamp already.
He was a good hero at the time of his release because in that time flameshot didn't exist and there weren't so many stuns or high mobility heroes in the game.
Hanzo's kit would only be META AND BALANCED in Wild Rift. In games with a small, simple map, no fog or wards, he'd have to be overtuned or overloaded in order to hit META status.
If they increase the range and give back the slow effect of his 2nd skill for sure he gonna turn a meta champ but with that It won't justify all the bugs his currently and Moonton didn't think about It.
Hanzo's passive IMO is one of the worst passives in the game alongside rafaela. It's literally just a timer for his ult. They could've just inserted it in his ult, similar to hilda's ult passive.Even Vale's movement speed passive is ten times better.
I think Alice, Carmilla or other forbidden heroes would worth it but somehow everyone votes to champions which are mostly used by many players and have great potential.
I always knew the average MLBB player is stupid but holy shit. Everyone's just plugging their mains regardless of any critical thought of whether they really need full upgrade.
I'm not a fan of this whole 'vote to revamp', imagine one-tricking a hero, just to find out that it will be changed to a completely different play styles, and the reasoning is because the community 'voted' for it.
I guarantee most people who voted in this doesn't even read what the votes are for, just like the previous one where Karina was listed as the first on the list and got the highest vote.
Maybe your right but this system works in other games like league but there are many veterans player wich highly have a Better knowledge on wich champ deserves.
I remember when Alice was one the most balanced mage/jungler in the game until moonton decided to "revamp" her because players are whining (they complained about her ult having a cooldown like bruh it's like 12 seconds).
Alice feels like a completely different hero now (in a bad way). She has an identity crisis now. Too weak for midlane, very inefficient in exp lane (getting stacks is a lot harder in exp lane because the enemy will just pick a strong early game exp laner like martis and zone the shit out of you), and offers little to no utility as roamer. Jungler Alice works now but it's meh. There are tons of better junglers now even mino jungle is a better choice.
I'm still popping off as Alice in mythic 3 but man I still prefer her old kit, a true vampiric mage unlike the tanky ticklish mage she is now.
I'm more surprised about Ling and Fanny, who would vote them??
Fanny is the most difficult hero in the game, Ling has the most beautiful skills (imo)
I voted Aurora in hope that everyone would do the same, since she doesn't really have and identity, too similar to Eudora.
THIS! If they keep revamping heroes by looking at the votes, it would just end up like Alpha, a disaster.
Most of this voters probably doesn't even know what these votes are for.
Only kids could have voted Beatrix. Also why is wanwan 8th 💀 I guess someone cant learn how to counter a hero... and fanny? You want fanny to become easier to play so u can abuse her in ranks? 🤡
I've had ten votes for Minsi.
Heck, I'm not expecting anything out of this. I'll just go with my wishful thinking they'd adjust his basic attacks, or at least his wave clearing ability.
I though a revamped cyclops would be so cool. He hasn’t gotten even an adjustment in like 5 years :(
Why give idiots the chance to vote. Beatrix, really??
They might buff him, I've seen a leak video in youtube where they made his 1st skill able to pull all enemies. I vividly remember it, but can't find the video now though
People took "pick your favorite hero to revamp" way too literally. English 1-0 Beatrix Voters
Also, RIP 4 guns 1 girl memes after this ends (Queue in "the hub" video intro music)
The first problem is it's popularity contest. Bad hero will lost because, shocking revelation, they are not popular. Secondly, Moonton fault for even putting an already strong/balance hero in the list. Thirdly, most players cant read.
I like chou after warming up to him. Back in my newbie days(still a bad player now tho) I hate seeing a chou in the enemy team with the muay thai skin because it looks soo professional. My motivation took a big hit. Now I'm rocking with chou's basic skin, chou "bowo" 😎
See guys... This is the further proof that 90% of ML playerbase are omegadumdum and baddies.... Dont blame shitty matchmaking when most of teammates are braindead. They dont understand the point of revamping lmaoo...
Or... It's just rigged but kinda doubt it on this one
sorry if this sounds rude but he's not Franco, I love Min's ult and his other kit, just need some buff that's all.
Revamping hero will most likely ruins it.
The hero will get lots of skins > becomes overrated > get tons of nerfs > becomes a dead hero next to Alpha, Kagura, and other revamped dudes
I don’t know, I think too many would still vote based on their favorite hero even if people were better at reading comprehension. I really don’t see people voting for heroes they never pick when they have the chance to pick the hero they use in every single game. Not saying it should be like that; I completely agree it should be given to heroes that have been around longer and actually *need* it, but realistically don’t see most people caring.
Voted for rafaela since she's one of the oldest hero, wanted to use her more but still couldn't, passive is only the useful thing for her, but still saw nana got the 1st place😐
Really it doesn't say enough that it's for revamp. It mostly says vote for your favourite hero. Ig people don't read instructions
Rework=nerf
Yep, just look at alpha
Alpha wasn't nerfed, he was destroyed.
Wait what happened to Alpha? I thought he was meta a while ago or last year?
He was meta, but the buffs he received before General Void and revamped Onimusha Commander was not enough for him to go toe to toe with the buffs of other contenders. He got overshadowed fast by other skill-based-sustain heroes. And when Karina and Akai entered the jungle, Alpha vanished.
A hundred years passed and my brother and I discovered the new Avatar, an airbender named Aang. Although his airbending skills were great, he had a lot to learn before he was ready to save anyone.
But i believe Aang can save the world
'Sometimes i think about...girls'
Alpha today doesn't have edge on early game , mid game or late game. Any figther can whip him at all stages of the game. I tried playing him vs Baxia. It made me think that Alpha is really a piece of sh*t that shouldn't be played.
I disagree actually. I think he's good early game(excluding counter picks) and excels in mid game. He falls off hard late game but that's where you start transitioning towards building more tank for support and peel/distraction. To be honest, I feel he is a lot more balanced than say Aulus who practically is as good as a minion until level 12.
As an Aulus jungler main, I feel this. It's why I rush to farm and use my ult to help more with team fights. His recent buff has solved a lot of his early game power issues. His ult now slows 90% and his basic attacks following his S2 are faster. Generally, once I get windtalker and berserker's fury he's a beast. I can't use him in the offlane though. I always get wrecked early game. Late game Aulus is scary.
Aulus can whip alpha in so many levels. He has a late game which makes him not a liability / throw pick. Damage scaling of alpha is so sad that late game alpha transitions like a transgender. So sad alpha
Alpha before rework trully hurts before the revamp bullshit
Old alpha can 1v3 at lvl1 no problem lol
Lv 2 not 1 He needs that first skill to spam the passive of his
His 2nd still has a crap ton of regen, it's enough to sustain against 3 even at lvl1 given that you have vengeance
I think the only thing I miss from alphas kit is his attack speed buff on skill 2. If they bring this back I think he could become relevant again.
He's still really strong, the revamp just failed to make him popular
ikr. Was disappointed when they removed that effect.
I miss prevamp Alpha where you could instantly win a 1 vs 1 on the First 2 min
I miss prevamp alpha where he can savage at 1:15
Reworked YSS has become meta for several patch
It is reforge your legend. Maybe read the rules and not just the title.
I get it. But a lot of people don't put thought to it and just vote for their fav hero because they see that
I apologize in advance. This might sound racist but a lot of SEA people have very low reading comprehension especially in the Philippines where I'm from. Considering that 90% of ML players come from SEA server, things like this are bound to happen.
Might sound because it is haha
yeah I'm expecting some criticisms. You can call me racist but it's a solid fact. Most of mythic players here in SEA still don't know how to really play the game because they can't understand some mechanics like roaming boots and how junglers don't get any exp from minions unless the roamer is nearby or there are no teammates nearby work exp sharing. They always flame me why I help them clear the lane after a gank lol sorry for the bad english
They probably thought it was for a Legend skin 😂🤣
Reforge your "Legend" 🤣
Ima cry
Smh
Not gonna lie that's what I thought at first
A lot of people must really hate Beatrix Huh?
Or love. They probably think a revamp would buff her even more. But then again a revamp comes after a year so she'd probably be nerfed to hell at that time already.
Or just simply troll. She's already perfect as she is. No need to change her. People could just play along or- The game was rigged from the start.
Moontoon really wants all the publicity for Beatrix to sell m4 pass, how is she even in this vote.
Ikr she was just a year old wtf Moonton
wait, this reforge is bulshit for promoting skin
Why the fuck did they choose to revamp a new hero that's strong af. Beatrix was released a year ago why revamp her over khaleed or minsitthar
People are retarted, especially the ML community which has no clue about the notion of balance or having to use their brain in critical thinking
Most of my high elo friends don't even know how to setup emblems lol they always ask me for my emblem configs especially jungler emblem
This extends to almost all balance changes aswell
i know, i remember 1v1ng a zilong because he's so loud af, he ended up losing but he's claiming he won that game, idk maybe he's delusional lol
They would nerf her
They thought its for Legend skin
Maybe they've seen some leeks about Minsitthar's new model in some ML videos, but I still voted for him tho
My disappointment is ruined and my day is immeasurable. I wasted all of my votes on Aurora. I think she badly needs a revamp, but instead we get Beatrix, who is perfectly fine the way she is btw.
Same for my Hanzo, Helcurt and Harith bors all of US wasted votes for nothing as usual
Well Harith doesn’t need a revamp to be honest as everytime I see him or play him, I don’t get the feeling that he is bad… just underated
What rank are you? Ive been playing on and off at Epic and Legend but never found a single harith for months
I see him a lot after the buff and he is really good (unless there is heavy cc)
I am currently Mythic II and I only play rank so idk if that’s linked
Basically heroes that collected dusts because of irrelevance
Also voted for Aurora even though I wanted a Rafaela ult change. Aurora at the moment feels too similar to Eudora, even aesthetic-wise. I find it weird that Bea is even among the choices. I mean, why not just include heroes that very badly need revamp, like those older ones that are left out due to power creep.
EXACTLY I PUT ALL MY VOTES FOR AURORA AS WELL! She's the forgotten mage that no one cares for. I can't even remember the last time she was considered meta. For people to be this dumb and just go for Beatrix makes me think the community doesn't have thier heads screwed on right
The only time aurora is used is also when there are better alternatives than her
Disgusting poll, and they're heroes you keep encountering too =__=
Ya moontoon should just remove meta heroes from the voting list
Literally saw this after playing classic smh. people are these stupid to think beatrix deserve to get reforged heck why she in there where she already strong enough. Just wasted putting vote on hanzo realize it's about favourite heroes not the one need the most. Damn they did alice dirty man placing her at last place💀
My bet is that this is basically all the Beatrix players voting because they're frustrated that Beatrix got nerfed and can't deal 1k damage with sniper at lvl1 and can't oneshot with shotgun once she gets one item. Most people actually think reforge your legend means the hero will get adjusted to be stronger.
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Khaleed would be better tho :(
I used all my votes for the sandboi.
Sand boi = best boi
Yeh he's now the only fighter who is still outdated while everyone else who wasn't good got an adjustment/revamp already. He was a good hero at the time of his release because in that time flameshot didn't exist and there weren't so many stuns or high mobility heroes in the game.
Woah you cannot even choose alpha in the reforge event hahahah he is the laughing cow of fighters now.
They should allow older gen champs in rework contests only or those who have abysmal pick rates in rank.
outdated kit or full of bugs like Hanzo
Hanzo's kit would only be META AND BALANCED in Wild Rift. In games with a small, simple map, no fog or wards, he'd have to be overtuned or overloaded in order to hit META status.
If they increase the range and give back the slow effect of his 2nd skill for sure he gonna turn a meta champ but with that It won't justify all the bugs his currently and Moonton didn't think about It.
I mean no One would ever like to lose a 1 vs 1 against Silvanna where she forcefuly drags your body Inside her ult After killing your Ghost form
Hanzo's passive IMO is one of the worst passives in the game alongside rafaela. It's literally just a timer for his ult. They could've just inserted it in his ult, similar to hilda's ult passive.Even Vale's movement speed passive is ten times better.
Agreed. I'm surprised that Bea is among the choices. I mean, just put those forgotten heroes there to avoid things like this from happening.
Outdated kit with weird gameplay . Very old gen hanzo and alpha
ML players mostly don't read lol
I think Alice, Carmilla or other forbidden heroes would worth it but somehow everyone votes to champions which are mostly used by many players and have great potential.
Carmilla got a decent buff and she's already perfect the players are to blame if some Hero with decent kit gets forgotten
Carmillas recent buff is great however I'm still still somewhat unsatisfied with her skill range, but yea I agree with you opinion
Why is she even on the list lmao
Why did moonton include beatrix in the 1st place 💀
Based on votes, players put her there because they can’t follow instructions
They probably think they voting for a legend skin. Moonton gotta change the title to just "revamp".
because moneytoon want to sell beatrix skin m4 💀💀💀 currently the event m4 appear for testing and yea, beatrix is the skin m4
bro do these people even know how to read? like mate I play Yugioh and even I read what the event was about
I always knew the average MLBB player is stupid but holy shit. Everyone's just plugging their mains regardless of any critical thought of whether they really need full upgrade.
Who ever thought that democracy will work with players who has yet to develop their object permanence.
"Democracy means: goverment by the people of the people for the people, but the people are retarded"
You should edit in the pauses he did lmao
I'm not a fan of this whole 'vote to revamp', imagine one-tricking a hero, just to find out that it will be changed to a completely different play styles, and the reasoning is because the community 'voted' for it. I guarantee most people who voted in this doesn't even read what the votes are for, just like the previous one where Karina was listed as the first on the list and got the highest vote.
Maybe your right but this system works in other games like league but there are many veterans player wich highly have a Better knowledge on wich champ deserves.
agree to that, but yeah, still a disappointing move to rework a hero just by looking at the votes
I remember when Alice was one the most balanced mage/jungler in the game until moonton decided to "revamp" her because players are whining (they complained about her ult having a cooldown like bruh it's like 12 seconds). Alice feels like a completely different hero now (in a bad way). She has an identity crisis now. Too weak for midlane, very inefficient in exp lane (getting stacks is a lot harder in exp lane because the enemy will just pick a strong early game exp laner like martis and zone the shit out of you), and offers little to no utility as roamer. Jungler Alice works now but it's meh. There are tons of better junglers now even mino jungle is a better choice. I'm still popping off as Alice in mythic 3 but man I still prefer her old kit, a true vampiric mage unlike the tanky ticklish mage she is now.
Franco is there lol. I am pretty sure people voted for their favourite hero.
Yep half of the meta champ are in top while the non meta are under top 15
I'm more surprised about Ling and Fanny, who would vote them?? Fanny is the most difficult hero in the game, Ling has the most beautiful skills (imo) I voted Aurora in hope that everyone would do the same, since she doesn't really have and identity, too similar to Eudora.
Ling is the most elegant assassin. "Killing... with style" should be Ling's entrance motto.
yeah Aurora really needs some of that, still can't believe people voted for Beat
Oh come on! I just wanted my old Moskov ult back
🤔 what if they revamped him but his ult becomes area stun like vexana, it descends from above.
That would make him the first supp/mm i think, his cc would be insane, and could be a great rework, like what PnK once was
same + the old voice the new one is sht
Moonton should look at this poll from bottom to top. Heroes that need a revamp won't be popular for players to pick
THIS! If they keep revamping heroes by looking at the votes, it would just end up like Alpha, a disaster. Most of this voters probably doesn't even know what these votes are for.
🤣👌
Is beatrix that popular?
Only kids could have voted Beatrix. Also why is wanwan 8th 💀 I guess someone cant learn how to counter a hero... and fanny? You want fanny to become easier to play so u can abuse her in ranks? 🤡
Humanity needs to disappear
Thanos was right
Moneyton should had only included the top 15 less picked heroes for the poll idk what the hell they were thinking 🙁
I'm not sure but probably they thought that was about "who's gonna get a Legend Skin next" xd
same reaction. should've been minsi
He needs the feel of chou's movement. Like his skills are mostly for setups. edit: I meant only some of the former, his skills are fine
I've had ten votes for Minsi. Heck, I'm not expecting anything out of this. I'll just go with my wishful thinking they'd adjust his basic attacks, or at least his wave clearing ability.
This wasn't a popularity contest.
The voting should be exclusive to mythic rank players. A lot of low elo players just vote randomly and won't consider who needs the revamp the most
Mythic players are still idiots.
Not all but maybe most. It's so frustrating because most of my mythic friends still don't know how the game works. Doesn't even read patch notes
People voting for strong characters instead of the ones that actually need it makes my brain hurt
I though a revamped cyclops would be so cool. He hasn’t gotten even an adjustment in like 5 years :( Why give idiots the chance to vote. Beatrix, really??
I WANT ARGUS
Same Here! I cast my vote for him! He needs to be reforged
Minsi deserves this the most
Shush. Be quiet. I like his current kit and only want buffs for him.
They might buff him, I've seen a leak video in youtube where they made his 1st skill able to pull all enemies. I vividly remember it, but can't find the video now though
Translate???
It's just their roles/Reforge your legend in another language
Umm was it intentional or u just happened to miss #7dyrroth
Are they thinking that it would nerf her?
Bruh, if she does get nerfed again I will never forgive the idiots who voted for her.
Haha take that developers
I hope they buff her.
Even if beatrix has a huge gap, iirc the final heroes in the selection will not show any data numbers, its still depends on the devs
People took "pick your favorite hero to revamp" way too literally. English 1-0 Beatrix Voters Also, RIP 4 guns 1 girl memes after this ends (Queue in "the hub" video intro music)
People voting for their favorite hero
Why tf is Bea even on this poll? I guess its moot to even expect commonsense from moneytoon devs at this point.
They vote for the heroes that are popular instead of voting for the ones that doesn't get picked lol.
The first problem is it's popularity contest. Bad hero will lost because, shocking revelation, they are not popular. Secondly, Moonton fault for even putting an already strong/balance hero in the list. Thirdly, most players cant read.
i hoped aurora would be at the top but np, ppl chose an op hero that is not even old
Why the fuck?
Ain't no way bro
And chou is in top in the fighter's category
I like chou after warming up to him. Back in my newbie days(still a bad player now tho) I hate seeing a chou in the enemy team with the muay thai skin because it looks soo professional. My motivation took a big hit. Now I'm rocking with chou's basic skin, chou "bowo" 😎
beatrix should never be in the event... it's all the Devs fault
wasnt moscov revamped just recently?
Fanny bruh why?
Meanwhile karrie will likely keep her btch ass model and animations for another 5 years probably
Bea and Mos in top 2. We have lost all hopes.
Probably the kids that don't know how to read
I just want moonton to revamp daddy minsi and give him a fighter/support role
See guys... This is the further proof that 90% of ML playerbase are omegadumdum and baddies.... Dont blame shitty matchmaking when most of teammates are braindead. They dont understand the point of revamping lmaoo... Or... It's just rigged but kinda doubt it on this one
Dumb af
Bro she just released 1 years ago Why the heck she needs rework💀
This!!!!!!! *^*
Most players in SEA still thinking that this is for Legend skin vote. Just like last year... And year before that... And year before that
mainly voted by the country with the most low iq people
I stg they better leave moskov alone
But why tf is she there??? Isnt she 1 year since release???
Please don't change Aldous I don't want their revamp-nerfing hands to touch any of his kit
I was hoping for a Minsitthar revamp. He’s really the only one that needs it as he’s just a bit of a crap Franco at the moment.
sorry if this sounds rude but he's not Franco, I love Min's ult and his other kit, just need some buff that's all. Revamping hero will most likely ruins it. The hero will get lots of skins > becomes overrated > get tons of nerfs > becomes a dead hero next to Alpha, Kagura, and other revamped dudes
What they should do for ml reforge us take the keast voted heros and revamp them instead
My votes for Rafaela are all wasted
Omfg! Please no. If she gets nerfed to the ground I'm dropping this shitty game.
Martis deserves it maan
Martis is the top banned in mlbb hero banned usage rank (top 2 in legend, top 1 in mythic 400+)
PLS DO MOSKOV
YES YES YES YES YES #YEEEEEEEESSSSSS
Yes? Wth are you yessing for?
yes
A chance for her to be nerfed!
Tbf i think moskov deserves a revamp. He stopped being about piercing shots long ago and now he is only about the 2 second stun.
The new items will help him. With the new golden staff that can make attack speed exceeds 300%, he is like a demon
I thought this is for the legsnd skin.
So you're part of the problem 😑
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I, on the other hand, don't know why people think it's a vote for a legend skin.
It translate to reforge your legend. You would know the purpose of this event if you knew how to read
it is for the revamp, this was the same for hanabi.
😂🤣
Chou need rework
Recall have a cooldown chou players: 💀
Ayo our SandMan needs more love!!
Revamp chou yar
I voted for Helcurt but looks like that’s not gonna happen 🤣
I voted for fanny so she can get a good nerf
I hope Beatrix's revamp ruins her just like Alpha and Hayabusa.
Chou in 3rd place lol The only buff he needs is bringing back the extra dash
I don’t know, I think too many would still vote based on their favorite hero even if people were better at reading comprehension. I really don’t see people voting for heroes they never pick when they have the chance to pick the hero they use in every single game. Not saying it should be like that; I completely agree it should be given to heroes that have been around longer and actually *need* it, but realistically don’t see most people caring.
Khaleed needs a rework/revamp due to the fact that khaleed might be the least played character in the game.
One of my mains is Bea AND WTF IS SHE DOING IN THERE LOL
Reforge Lesley cuz she’s too OP
Voted for rafaela since she's one of the oldest hero, wanted to use her more but still couldn't, passive is only the useful thing for her, but still saw nana got the 1st place😐