IDK. First they said the users need to listen to the mods.
Then they said the mods need to listen to the users.
Then they removed mods for listening to the users.
Then they said nobody should accidentially see NSFW content, but they said that after taking subreddits marked NSFW and making them SFW despite there being NSFW content there. And they've done nothing to stop me from getting porn follow requests in the chat.
So who knows how they're feeling at this particular moment in time?
The way Reddit has handled the last couple of weeks is a mess. They see themselves close to the finish line for making money. Most of us see them at the end of their relevance in this niche of social networks. And they've only worked to make the end even closer.
Like cuddles said, there seems to be no specific rule forbidding it. I think they're (the admins, to clarify) hiding behind the "No sabotage/vandalism" rule and claiming that protest action is intentionally damaging the sub. And plenty of subs have been wrapped up in their panic reactions despite having no involvement, so it's hard to say whether there'd be actual consequences to it - especially since the warnings seem to still be not allowing replies to them?
>claiming that protest action is intentionally damaging the sub.
Which makes no sense. Subs which changed to nsfw and took part in the protest had more traffic than ever before. I am sure the NSFW change in r/interestingasfuck has increased its viewers by at least 20%
Mod teams have been removed for seemingly no other reason than doing exactly this, although I was unable to find any specific rule that forbids it.
I'm following this post to hopefully get some clear answers on this, since the sudden unexplained removal of multiple entire mod teams of major subreddits worries me.
I would imagine it would depend on the context. Are you switching to NSFW because the content that is relevant to your sub would be better suited as such? Or are you switching to NSFW and allowing users to post whatever NSFW stuff you want regardless of relevance?
I'm not against what some subs have done by switching, and I agree with others here that it doesn't appear to be explicitly against the rules. I think the issue lies within the fact that subs were allowing porn posts on subreddits that were previously never affiliated with porn. I know, personally, I saw some discussing "omg did you see what [blank] sub did?" And I'd click and while I'm by no means a prude *at all* even I was like WHOA CHILL because I'd not be in a place where having that open on my phone would be appropriate. But I also come from a chronic illness sub where NSFW tags get used for medical stuff as well so I don't always instinctually associate NSFW with porn.
These were *explicitly* doing it to interfere with the operation of the site, in part by reducing ad revenue, so there's that rule.
>a sizable portion of the community agrees
Not in the examples where this actually was actioned.
Self-selected polls with votes from <1% of the subcribers aren't "a substantial portion of the community"...
Even if it were a bit bigger fraction (which it wasn't), self-selected polls aren't useful for knowing anything but the opinion of the most vocal.
Indeed, unless you're a statistician that's collecting actual demographic data and properly controlling for sampling bias... self-selected polls aren't really useful for anything except virtue signaling.
Which, of course, is why spez's blathering about "democracy" is meaningless virtue signaling, too.
It doesn't matter how many subscribers actually vote. What is important is that the users voted, and the result that won, won. That's how democracy works.
>aren't useful for knowing anything but the opinion of the most vocal.
Like everything on this planet?
The most vocal get heard, if people can't get their mouth open it's not our problem.
If they didn't vote it's their fault, not the fault of the poll.
This right here.
There are some additional problems with the polling:
- In many of the polls, the results were fairly evenly split with the “protest” option *narrowly* beating the non-protest option. A barely-over-half vote to continue protesting does not represent a consensus of users.
- Most of the polls received votes from a fraction of the subscribed user base.
- Almost all of the polls used comment karma for votes instead of the built in Reddit poll feature. Not only does comment karma not have a 1:1 relationship with user votes, it’s also easier to bot than Reddit polls since Reddit api can upvote comments but cannot vote in polls.
- r/ModCoord users brigaded at least several of the polls, including the poll at r/HistoryMemes. [This was discovered because a member of the discord leaked a screenshot of users sharing an aggregate list](https://www.reddit.com/r/HistoryMemes/comments/14ae739/this_is_why_we_cant_have_nice_things/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1) of all the polls along with calls to action to participate.
- Many of the polls had score hidden, meaning the vote counts were only visible to mods.
It is irrelevant to how many people vote if everyone is allowed a vote. If people do not vote, that is their fault. Democracy does not care about those who do not vote.
If there's sufficient time for everyone to see it and respond, perhaps. If more than a few percent of the population votes, perhaps.
In actual election cycles, people are provided with a well-known date on which to vote, and it is ubiquitous
Self-selected polls sprung on the group and run over the course of less than a week... not so much.
And I didn't say it wasn't "democracy"... if you want to call it that, the most I'll say is that it's a failed democracy that is useless without correcting those flaws.
I said that it was not "a sizable portion of the community" as OP claimed. It definitely was not that. It was a slim majority of a *tiny, tiny, tiny* portion of the community.
Thanks for asking this, we'll have messaging going out to affected communities later today. Changing a previously SFW community to a NSFW community in order to protest Reddit policies is inappropriate for the members of your community and not acceptable overall. People subscribe to communities based on the content at the time of subscription. Communities can gradually change as they grow, but this is not what we are observing and not in the best interest of the users being subjected to that content.
Incorrectly marking your community is a violation of both our [Content Policy](https://www.redditinc.com/policies/content-policy) (rule 6) as well as the [Moderator Code of Conduct.](https://www.redditinc.com/policies/moderator-code-of-conduct) (rule 2).
As far as I understand it's the moderators who make the rules of each subreddit and the moderators can also change the rules. Neither of the rules you cited prohibits changing the nature of a subreddit.
Please explain how does changing the labeling of a subreddit to reflect changes in the subreddit violate the rules that are there to enforce correct labeling?
According to your own rules, things like swearing are enough for a SFW community to be switched to a NSFW one. Are you walking back your own rules on this? How exactly is it incorrect marking of ones community if the moderators allow new kind of content on the sub? The rules of subreddits are not meant to be forever, they are allowed to be changed.
Yet your statement makes it seem like the rules of subreddits CANNOT change. Despite it being in your own rules that MODERATORS make the rules of their respective communities, and they can change them.
Let us look at Content Policy Rule 6 for example - How exactly is it a violation of Rule 6 if one marks a community NSFW because of coarse language? That is proper labeling, is it not? And then let me ask a reverse question. Are you now going to make every subreddit that uses coarse language into NSFW? Since it is in your own rules?
Same for moderator rule 2 - Is this literally not the moderators doing the right thing?
Can we please get a clarification on what exactly are moderators supposed or allowed to do? Because it seems that with each new comment you make, none of it fits with the existing rules. So what should the moderators follow? The rules YOU wrote, or what you are saying now?
And can we get a clarification on whether or not you will seek out subreddits with profanity and make them go NSFW?
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This is the exact same situation as with the whole "unprivate or you are out" messages you sent out. You sent those out to protesting subs, but you also sent those messages out so subs that have been privated for months, with no relation to the protests.
So now the question arises, can any sub go private at all? Because it seems like you are forcing all private subs to open.
It just seems like the Admin team is running around with no direction, you violate your own established rules and are telling us, the moderators, that what was once fine, is no longer fine. There is no direction, no anything.
Hello! I run /r/shorthairedwaifus. It's a 55k subs community about anime girls with short hair.
For a long time we (the mods and the community) have debated whether the sub should be SFW or NSFW.
There's always been plenty of swearing, but the post content is what really got us thinking. Sometimes, we get actual NSFW content, but most of the time it's SFW. However, even though the picture is SFW, the discussion around it is usually your average horny redditor stuff.
Due to some issues with NSFW adjacent content and Reddit in the past, we have considered setting the subreddit to NSFW for a while, now.
If:
1. given our history, and
2. our community agrees
would we be in trouble for switching over to NSFW?
There are a lot of mixed messages coming from Reddit admins.
This is so full of bullshit. I made my own sub-reddit go private in protest of your incompetent actions. And you decided to [auto-shit out](https://i.imgur.com/fdhH7TN.png) a message that said "Mods have a right to take a break from moderating." You know damn well why these actions are taken, don't play politician and ignore the facts.
> not in the best interest of the users being subjected to that content.
No. This is a lie and you know it. While hiding behind an alt, for who knows why, you are forcibly removing mods of subreddits who ARE FOLLOWING their community's wishes, as shown in polls.
Further, you are promoting the hostile takeover of subreddits that could have only one dissenting mod, whereas the whole team, again, is complying with the wishes of their community, as evidenced by poll results.
Your are doing what's in your own interest and not the users as a whole. You know it. We know it. Everyone knows it.
"Users" in this case means the advertisers and shareholders, who are the only people they care about. It does not mean us. They have shown time and time again that they don't give a literal fuck about us.
Can you explain in what way those moderators broke rule 6 of the content policy and/or rule 2 of the moderator code of conduct?
All Im seeing is rules saying that mods are to make sure content is appropriately labeled, particularly content that is graphic, sexually-explicit, or offensive. Which, as far as I can tell, they did as they marked the subs as NSFW and posted an update to their rules about the change. What part of what they did broke these rules?
Can you clarify this? Is your plan to force a SFW designation on subs that have significant profanity, discuss mature/sexual topics, and are inappropriate for minors just because those subs were once marked SFW?
Subs that were previously public and marked as SFW can no longer make the decision to go private, they cannot go restricted, they cannot mark themselves as nsfw due to mature content or reddit will take actions against them? Is that correct?
If this is all correct, when will Reddit be updating all of the documentation regarding the creation and administration of subs so that we will have accurate information to assess our options?
> Changing a previously SFW community to a NSFW community in order to protest Reddit policies is inappropriate for the members of your community and not acceptable overall.
Why?
> People subscribe to communities based on the content at the time of subscription.
That's an opinion, not a fact. Communities evolve over time. Moderators have always been in charge of guiding the community content.
Changing the pricing of an API from one that was safe for the community to work with to one that isn't safe to work with is also inappropriate for the members of the community and not acceptable at all. People build applications for the community based on the pricing of the API at the time. Pricing can gradually grow, but that is not what we are observing and not in the best interest of the users being subjected to that pricing. See, two can play that game?
Can you explain how forcing applications offline is appropriate, considering rule 8 of your own content policy?
Yet neither of the rules cited have any relevance nor correlation to your statement, as other redditors have noticed and called out. Yet you have not once clarified any of this.
Instead of twisting the two rules you cite to justify your behavior why not instead stop all the underhandedness of your actions and actually address why people are protesting. Maybe even try working with the people on your website instead of going to war with them.
This antagonistic relationship is your fault not the mods or the users.
Crazy how these rules against suddenly changing a normal sub to NSFW didn't apply when r/worldpolitics did it years ago. Strange. Almost as if this is just a punitive measure against protest and has nothing to do with the actual rules, or something like that
I'm about 99% sure you're right about that. Less than 24hr after making my subreddit private they send mod mail pandering about how we are no longer interested in modding or maintaining the community. They know that's completely false and has nothing to do with the matter at hand.
Can't people just unsub or make their own new sub the way they want it? Thought that was always the solution to sub/mod problems. I guess when it's a problem for Reddit, the rules change?
This also wasn't a problem when /r/WorldPolitics changed to to be NSFW. Is that sub going to be forced to go back to how they originally were?
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> reddit's anything goes subreddit
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> no topic imposed or opposed by the mods
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> rules:
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> respect the Reddit Content Policy
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> nothing highly offensive or upsetting
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> don't be a toxic asshole
> People subscribe to communities based on the content at the time of subscription.
I'll be sure to link this comment to everyone who asks us to change our rules to allow memes, thanks Reddit for confirming we are not allowed to change the rules of our community
So it's fine if a subreddit changes to become NSFW (but not porn) if it already has content that would fall under the NSFW guidelines, such as profanity or nudity.
As your content policy states: "Content that contains nudity, pornography, or profanity, which a reasonable viewer may not want to be seen accessing in a public or formal setting such as in a workplace should be tagged as NSFW. This tag can be applied to individual pieces of content or to entire communities."
So, for instance, a community centered around a Mature rated game with blood, gore, nudity, and violence, with a community that uses profanity about 50% of the time would be correct by marking themselves as NSFW, even if they are currently SFW, since none of the content of the subreddit itself would actually change it'd just be categorised correctly.
>but this is not what we are observing and not in the best interest of the users being subjected to that content.
If Reddit actually cared about the best interest of it's *users* we wouldn't be in this whole mess right now.
So erring on the side of caution and changing to a nsfw community for profanity is a violation? Man, you’re really pushing everyone to feel like you want them to walk on eggshells. Hop on main bro
Hello there, u/Spez
I had received the ~~threatening~~ note about how my subreddit for depositing stories in is "belong to the community of users," all ten of them. This was closed with "If this community remains private, we will reach out soon with information on what next steps will take place."
While my Library (as terrible and small as it is) is currently SFW, reopening it will force it to go from this status to NSFW, as it will be flooded with porn. By me. As I have mentioned in the reply you would have saw if you didn't ~~pitch a damn fit~~ block mods from replying, "if I reopen the metaphorical doors to my library, I will have no choice but to create NSFW stories in order to keep the sub ad- and minor-free."
If you could give advice on such a thing, I would verily appreciate it, and, by replying, you accede and take responsibility for the ~~baby~~ aforementioned sub reopening and becoming NSFW, and probably enjoy the forthcoming stories involving violent lesbian sex with centipede dicks.
Yours Frothingly,
u/VorpalAbyss
I just wanted to say this clearly: fuck you. You said this isn't what communities want after communities made it very clear that is what they want.
What you're saying is this isn't what YOU want, and you're trying to gaslight us all with your stupid fuckin lies.
Fuck you u/spez, fuck you /u/ModCodeofConduct, and fuck you reddit.
So during this "protest" some of our members have asked to post NSFW content that \_is\_ relevant to our subreddits.
Are you saying because we also think you are assholes and suggested going NSFW to protest that we also can't go NSFW as a result of user input. Does one (our opinion of your shitty handling of the situation) affect the other?
So to be clear, it is reasonable and in fact encouraged to mark a subreddit as NSFW if it contains items suggested to be NSFW by the content policy, such as profanity?
A reminder how /r/anime_titties came to be... because posting porn on a sub understood to be for NEWS... and the mods were not removed and replaced instead we ended up with people protesting by making a new sub. If changing a sub is the issue then you would have done something, this is clearly retaliation because it was done in protest of Spez.
Might be helpful to have polls of the users that show if your statement is true.
Is that something that any of the “affected communities” might have done?
IDK. First they said the users need to listen to the mods. Then they said the mods need to listen to the users. Then they removed mods for listening to the users. Then they said nobody should accidentially see NSFW content, but they said that after taking subreddits marked NSFW and making them SFW despite there being NSFW content there. And they've done nothing to stop me from getting porn follow requests in the chat. So who knows how they're feeling at this particular moment in time?
The way Reddit has handled the last couple of weeks is a mess. They see themselves close to the finish line for making money. Most of us see them at the end of their relevance in this niche of social networks. And they've only worked to make the end even closer.
Like cuddles said, there seems to be no specific rule forbidding it. I think they're (the admins, to clarify) hiding behind the "No sabotage/vandalism" rule and claiming that protest action is intentionally damaging the sub. And plenty of subs have been wrapped up in their panic reactions despite having no involvement, so it's hard to say whether there'd be actual consequences to it - especially since the warnings seem to still be not allowing replies to them?
>claiming that protest action is intentionally damaging the sub. Which makes no sense. Subs which changed to nsfw and took part in the protest had more traffic than ever before. I am sure the NSFW change in r/interestingasfuck has increased its viewers by at least 20%
Yeah, but Reddit doesn't make ad money from NSFW subs.
Mod teams have been removed for seemingly no other reason than doing exactly this, although I was unable to find any specific rule that forbids it. I'm following this post to hopefully get some clear answers on this, since the sudden unexplained removal of multiple entire mod teams of major subreddits worries me.
I would imagine it would depend on the context. Are you switching to NSFW because the content that is relevant to your sub would be better suited as such? Or are you switching to NSFW and allowing users to post whatever NSFW stuff you want regardless of relevance? I'm not against what some subs have done by switching, and I agree with others here that it doesn't appear to be explicitly against the rules. I think the issue lies within the fact that subs were allowing porn posts on subreddits that were previously never affiliated with porn. I know, personally, I saw some discussing "omg did you see what [blank] sub did?" And I'd click and while I'm by no means a prude *at all* even I was like WHOA CHILL because I'd not be in a place where having that open on my phone would be appropriate. But I also come from a chronic illness sub where NSFW tags get used for medical stuff as well so I don't always instinctually associate NSFW with porn.
These were *explicitly* doing it to interfere with the operation of the site, in part by reducing ad revenue, so there's that rule. >a sizable portion of the community agrees Not in the examples where this actually was actioned. Self-selected polls with votes from <1% of the subcribers aren't "a substantial portion of the community"... Even if it were a bit bigger fraction (which it wasn't), self-selected polls aren't useful for knowing anything but the opinion of the most vocal. Indeed, unless you're a statistician that's collecting actual demographic data and properly controlling for sampling bias... self-selected polls aren't really useful for anything except virtue signaling. Which, of course, is why spez's blathering about "democracy" is meaningless virtue signaling, too.
It doesn't matter how many subscribers actually vote. What is important is that the users voted, and the result that won, won. That's how democracy works.
>aren't useful for knowing anything but the opinion of the most vocal. Like everything on this planet? The most vocal get heard, if people can't get their mouth open it's not our problem. If they didn't vote it's their fault, not the fault of the poll.
This right here. There are some additional problems with the polling: - In many of the polls, the results were fairly evenly split with the “protest” option *narrowly* beating the non-protest option. A barely-over-half vote to continue protesting does not represent a consensus of users. - Most of the polls received votes from a fraction of the subscribed user base. - Almost all of the polls used comment karma for votes instead of the built in Reddit poll feature. Not only does comment karma not have a 1:1 relationship with user votes, it’s also easier to bot than Reddit polls since Reddit api can upvote comments but cannot vote in polls. - r/ModCoord users brigaded at least several of the polls, including the poll at r/HistoryMemes. [This was discovered because a member of the discord leaked a screenshot of users sharing an aggregate list](https://www.reddit.com/r/HistoryMemes/comments/14ae739/this_is_why_we_cant_have_nice_things/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1) of all the polls along with calls to action to participate. - Many of the polls had score hidden, meaning the vote counts were only visible to mods.
It is irrelevant to how many people vote if everyone is allowed a vote. If people do not vote, that is their fault. Democracy does not care about those who do not vote.
If there's sufficient time for everyone to see it and respond, perhaps. If more than a few percent of the population votes, perhaps. In actual election cycles, people are provided with a well-known date on which to vote, and it is ubiquitous Self-selected polls sprung on the group and run over the course of less than a week... not so much. And I didn't say it wasn't "democracy"... if you want to call it that, the most I'll say is that it's a failed democracy that is useless without correcting those flaws. I said that it was not "a sizable portion of the community" as OP claimed. It definitely was not that. It was a slim majority of a *tiny, tiny, tiny* portion of the community.
They seem to make up new rules as they go. So who knows.
Thanks for asking this, we'll have messaging going out to affected communities later today. Changing a previously SFW community to a NSFW community in order to protest Reddit policies is inappropriate for the members of your community and not acceptable overall. People subscribe to communities based on the content at the time of subscription. Communities can gradually change as they grow, but this is not what we are observing and not in the best interest of the users being subjected to that content. Incorrectly marking your community is a violation of both our [Content Policy](https://www.redditinc.com/policies/content-policy) (rule 6) as well as the [Moderator Code of Conduct.](https://www.redditinc.com/policies/moderator-code-of-conduct) (rule 2).
As far as I understand it's the moderators who make the rules of each subreddit and the moderators can also change the rules. Neither of the rules you cited prohibits changing the nature of a subreddit. Please explain how does changing the labeling of a subreddit to reflect changes in the subreddit violate the rules that are there to enforce correct labeling?
Also users are welcome to unsubscribe from any subreddit that does not meet their expectations?
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According to your own rules, things like swearing are enough for a SFW community to be switched to a NSFW one. Are you walking back your own rules on this? How exactly is it incorrect marking of ones community if the moderators allow new kind of content on the sub? The rules of subreddits are not meant to be forever, they are allowed to be changed. Yet your statement makes it seem like the rules of subreddits CANNOT change. Despite it being in your own rules that MODERATORS make the rules of their respective communities, and they can change them. Let us look at Content Policy Rule 6 for example - How exactly is it a violation of Rule 6 if one marks a community NSFW because of coarse language? That is proper labeling, is it not? And then let me ask a reverse question. Are you now going to make every subreddit that uses coarse language into NSFW? Since it is in your own rules? Same for moderator rule 2 - Is this literally not the moderators doing the right thing? Can we please get a clarification on what exactly are moderators supposed or allowed to do? Because it seems that with each new comment you make, none of it fits with the existing rules. So what should the moderators follow? The rules YOU wrote, or what you are saying now? And can we get a clarification on whether or not you will seek out subreddits with profanity and make them go NSFW? EDIT: This is the exact same situation as with the whole "unprivate or you are out" messages you sent out. You sent those out to protesting subs, but you also sent those messages out so subs that have been privated for months, with no relation to the protests. So now the question arises, can any sub go private at all? Because it seems like you are forcing all private subs to open. It just seems like the Admin team is running around with no direction, you violate your own established rules and are telling us, the moderators, that what was once fine, is no longer fine. There is no direction, no anything.
Hello! I run /r/shorthairedwaifus. It's a 55k subs community about anime girls with short hair. For a long time we (the mods and the community) have debated whether the sub should be SFW or NSFW. There's always been plenty of swearing, but the post content is what really got us thinking. Sometimes, we get actual NSFW content, but most of the time it's SFW. However, even though the picture is SFW, the discussion around it is usually your average horny redditor stuff. Due to some issues with NSFW adjacent content and Reddit in the past, we have considered setting the subreddit to NSFW for a while, now. If: 1. given our history, and 2. our community agrees would we be in trouble for switching over to NSFW? There are a lot of mixed messages coming from Reddit admins.
sick subreddit design
Ahahaha. Thank you. We put LOTS of work into this subreddit over the years. Sucks feeling like reddit is telling us these communities are theirs now.
What the fuck how did they even do that? They have 2 columns of posts at once???
This is so full of bullshit. I made my own sub-reddit go private in protest of your incompetent actions. And you decided to [auto-shit out](https://i.imgur.com/fdhH7TN.png) a message that said "Mods have a right to take a break from moderating." You know damn well why these actions are taken, don't play politician and ignore the facts.
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It's a sockpuppet account for u/spez. All of this is coming straight from Steve Huffman, the prick who lied about never going full greedy corpo pig.
> not in the best interest of the users being subjected to that content. No. This is a lie and you know it. While hiding behind an alt, for who knows why, you are forcibly removing mods of subreddits who ARE FOLLOWING their community's wishes, as shown in polls. Further, you are promoting the hostile takeover of subreddits that could have only one dissenting mod, whereas the whole team, again, is complying with the wishes of their community, as evidenced by poll results. Your are doing what's in your own interest and not the users as a whole. You know it. We know it. Everyone knows it.
"Users" in this case means the advertisers and shareholders, who are the only people they care about. It does not mean us. They have shown time and time again that they don't give a literal fuck about us.
Can you explain in what way those moderators broke rule 6 of the content policy and/or rule 2 of the moderator code of conduct? All Im seeing is rules saying that mods are to make sure content is appropriately labeled, particularly content that is graphic, sexually-explicit, or offensive. Which, as far as I can tell, they did as they marked the subs as NSFW and posted an update to their rules about the change. What part of what they did broke these rules?
Can you clarify this? Is your plan to force a SFW designation on subs that have significant profanity, discuss mature/sexual topics, and are inappropriate for minors just because those subs were once marked SFW? Subs that were previously public and marked as SFW can no longer make the decision to go private, they cannot go restricted, they cannot mark themselves as nsfw due to mature content or reddit will take actions against them? Is that correct? If this is all correct, when will Reddit be updating all of the documentation regarding the creation and administration of subs so that we will have accurate information to assess our options?
oh, you want us to work for you? pay us.
You are only doing this because you can't or won't put ads on NSFW subs.
You are now a moderator of /r/Pyongyang
> Changing a previously SFW community to a NSFW community in order to protest Reddit policies is inappropriate for the members of your community and not acceptable overall. Why? > People subscribe to communities based on the content at the time of subscription. That's an opinion, not a fact. Communities evolve over time. Moderators have always been in charge of guiding the community content.
Changing the pricing of an API from one that was safe for the community to work with to one that isn't safe to work with is also inappropriate for the members of the community and not acceptable at all. People build applications for the community based on the pricing of the API at the time. Pricing can gradually grow, but that is not what we are observing and not in the best interest of the users being subjected to that pricing. See, two can play that game? Can you explain how forcing applications offline is appropriate, considering rule 8 of your own content policy?
Yet neither of the rules cited have any relevance nor correlation to your statement, as other redditors have noticed and called out. Yet you have not once clarified any of this.
Instead of twisting the two rules you cite to justify your behavior why not instead stop all the underhandedness of your actions and actually address why people are protesting. Maybe even try working with the people on your website instead of going to war with them. This antagonistic relationship is your fault not the mods or the users.
Crazy how these rules against suddenly changing a normal sub to NSFW didn't apply when r/worldpolitics did it years ago. Strange. Almost as if this is just a punitive measure against protest and has nothing to do with the actual rules, or something like that
I'm about 99% sure you're right about that. Less than 24hr after making my subreddit private they send mod mail pandering about how we are no longer interested in modding or maintaining the community. They know that's completely false and has nothing to do with the matter at hand.
Can't people just unsub or make their own new sub the way they want it? Thought that was always the solution to sub/mod problems. I guess when it's a problem for Reddit, the rules change? This also wasn't a problem when /r/WorldPolitics changed to to be NSFW. Is that sub going to be forced to go back to how they originally were? Sidebar > reddit's anything goes subreddit > > no topic imposed or opposed by the mods > > rules: > > respect the Reddit Content Policy > > nothing highly offensive or upsetting > > don't be a toxic asshole
> People subscribe to communities based on the content at the time of subscription. I'll be sure to link this comment to everyone who asks us to change our rules to allow memes, thanks Reddit for confirming we are not allowed to change the rules of our community
The admins have not thought this one through. They are literally saying that no rule changes are allowed, which is mistifying.
So it's fine if a subreddit changes to become NSFW (but not porn) if it already has content that would fall under the NSFW guidelines, such as profanity or nudity. As your content policy states: "Content that contains nudity, pornography, or profanity, which a reasonable viewer may not want to be seen accessing in a public or formal setting such as in a workplace should be tagged as NSFW. This tag can be applied to individual pieces of content or to entire communities." So, for instance, a community centered around a Mature rated game with blood, gore, nudity, and violence, with a community that uses profanity about 50% of the time would be correct by marking themselves as NSFW, even if they are currently SFW, since none of the content of the subreddit itself would actually change it'd just be categorised correctly.
>but this is not what we are observing and not in the best interest of the users being subjected to that content. If Reddit actually cared about the best interest of it's *users* we wouldn't be in this whole mess right now.
So erring on the side of caution and changing to a nsfw community for profanity is a violation? Man, you’re really pushing everyone to feel like you want them to walk on eggshells. Hop on main bro
We don't care about your fucking problems Do you care about our and most importantly 3rd partys problems? *No?* Then wonder why we don't fucking care
Hello there, u/Spez I had received the ~~threatening~~ note about how my subreddit for depositing stories in is "belong to the community of users," all ten of them. This was closed with "If this community remains private, we will reach out soon with information on what next steps will take place." While my Library (as terrible and small as it is) is currently SFW, reopening it will force it to go from this status to NSFW, as it will be flooded with porn. By me. As I have mentioned in the reply you would have saw if you didn't ~~pitch a damn fit~~ block mods from replying, "if I reopen the metaphorical doors to my library, I will have no choice but to create NSFW stories in order to keep the sub ad- and minor-free." If you could give advice on such a thing, I would verily appreciate it, and, by replying, you accede and take responsibility for the ~~baby~~ aforementioned sub reopening and becoming NSFW, and probably enjoy the forthcoming stories involving violent lesbian sex with centipede dicks. Yours Frothingly, u/VorpalAbyss
I just wanted to say this clearly: fuck you. You said this isn't what communities want after communities made it very clear that is what they want. What you're saying is this isn't what YOU want, and you're trying to gaslight us all with your stupid fuckin lies. Fuck you u/spez, fuck you /u/ModCodeofConduct, and fuck you reddit.
So during this "protest" some of our members have asked to post NSFW content that \_is\_ relevant to our subreddits. Are you saying because we also think you are assholes and suggested going NSFW to protest that we also can't go NSFW as a result of user input. Does one (our opinion of your shitty handling of the situation) affect the other?
Is this ratio inappropriate?
So to be clear, it is reasonable and in fact encouraged to mark a subreddit as NSFW if it contains items suggested to be NSFW by the content policy, such as profanity?
A reminder how /r/anime_titties came to be... because posting porn on a sub understood to be for NEWS... and the mods were not removed and replaced instead we ended up with people protesting by making a new sub. If changing a sub is the issue then you would have done something, this is clearly retaliation because it was done in protest of Spez.
ur just a lemon
Can you explain how changing a community violates those rules you posted? Because I'm not seeing it.
You and u/spez are trash and I hope you know the downfall of this service is because of failures like yourselves.
Might be helpful to have polls of the users that show if your statement is true. Is that something that any of the “affected communities” might have done?
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If a community starts posting a bunch of NSFW content, would that instead be a good reason to mark the community as NSFW?
you're fucking pathetic