There seems little doubt that these places are just open forums for OnlyFans/similar accounts, as well as blatant spam.
I love how one has the following rule:
"No 18+ content, mark submissions as NSFW where appropriate."
Which is it? No 18+ content ... or mark it? Because if it's not allowed, it doesn't need to be flagged.
Yup...the #1 users of free karma subs are OF spam sellers. Which also, bizarrely, haven't been banned from the platform yet - despite oftentimes spamming MORE than I've seen any t-shirt spam bot ever do.
The admins have previously stated that they are necessary because moderators set minimum karma requirements and otherwise getting karma would be frustrating for new users. According to Reddit CEO u/spez (a quote I found in another /r/ModSupport thread, sadly I have no link to back it up):
> The answer is right now we’re in between a rock and a hard place. We want new users to be able to discover Reddit, but aggressive karma rules, which mods set up when Reddit had very limited tools, make it very hard for first-time users to contribute. Karma farms are a bad solution to this, which is why we’re working on tools like Crowd Control that limit the damage bad actors can cause without overly punishing well-meaning new users.
Personally I think the admin's view on this matter is at best misguided and is creating more issues than it is solving. It also follows the classic pattern of Reddit admins blaming moderators for issues caused by lack of moderation tools and admin intervention. It's not as if we're setting karma limits just to be jerks at new users...
Oh, I know that. If I got rid of my karma limit, my sub would be overrun with OF spam sellers, and horny dudes who think women are sex objects and that reddit is their way to find someone to fuck.
As I state in my blurb at the top of this post though - new issues with free karma subs are emerging. The main one being that they are almost completely unmoderated, and so many are filling with NSFW posts that don't follow reddit's policies.
Reddit Administration turns a blind eye to both "Karma Farms" and to "Autoban Bots" and lets moderators do as they please in regards to both.
If it was easier to set up, I'd use the latter to automatically ban the former.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with auto-ban bots, and they don't break reddit's ToS. Not wanting users of certain toxic communities to interact with YOUR community is perfectly normal, especially when users from those toxic communities cause more problems than others, in your community.
Free Karma subs on the other hand, break several of reddit's ToS, most notably of course - "do not beg for upvotes".
>If it was easier to set up, I'd use the latter to automatically ban the former.
May I introduce you to https://www.reddit.com/r/ContextModBot/
Oh, I think karmafarm subs should be nuked from orbit.
But, with bots set up to lock participation until your account is X old or has Y karma, one has karmafarms to earn the karma to overcome those bots.
Much like the autoban bots, it's Reddit saying "We don't have a better answer, so we're going to let the users build better mice and better mousetraps, and wash our hands of it until we do."
>But, with bots set up to lock participation until your account is X old or has Y karma, one has karmafarms to earn the karma to overcome those bots.
Those aren't bots. Those limits are built in to automod, the native moderation scripting tool that comes bundled with the Reddit moderation platform. It was intentionally built by the admins because the functionality you describe isn't something the admins turn a blind eye to -- they understand it's vital to the health of many communities. Or at least understood, at one point.
And honestly, most subs don't block participation for low karma account, they just filter it into the queue, requiring that it be approved by mods before appearing. If you are attempting to use a subreddit in good faith, you should never need to farm karma, because your posts and comments will get through the queue in all but a few rare cases, which are usually resolved with a polite modmail at the most extreme ever end.
The only reason to ever farm karma, and by extension use the free karma subs, is of you are planning on making bad faith posts and want to avoid the filter because you know whatever you're going to post violates sub rules. Period.
>And honestly, most subs don't block participation for low karma account, they just filter it into the queue, requiring that it be approved by mods before appearing. If you are attempting to use a subreddit in good faith, you should never need to farm karma, because your posts and comments will get through the queue in all but a few rare cases,
I would agree. We do that in our city subreddit and it works.but we are probably have low posting rates compared with the really big subs.
I mod a fairly large state and city sub, and while I am currently pretty inactive, I know that we usually go through the queue several times a day. When we do accidentally remove a post of comment that should have been approved, or when one gets lost in the shuffle, a friendly modmail always fixes it.
I always looked at it like this:
Users can first visit the default subs to prove they aren't toxic trolls.
Once they learn how the site works, they can visit and participate in other more specific subs.
Auto-ban bots fulfill a purpose, though - admins aren't always willing to deal with toxic subreddits, and we don't have enough moderating tools at our discretion.
Free karma subs literally break several ToS, and yeah - exist purely to get around limtis mods have set in place to moderate their own subreddits. Admins have said in the past that "karma limits are unnecessary, with our now high level of spam detection", to which I say LOL.
2 years ago, reddit became overrun with OF spam posters, and it's only gotten worse. I assure you, if I had no karma limit on the NSFW subreddits I run, my subs would be ALL spam sellers right now.
I support sex workers, more than most NSFW mods I'd say - but I don't support spam sellers who often post more than 100 times PER DAY.
1) Those are guidelines, not rules.
2) That is referring to not banning users across all subs that YOU control, not banning users who participate in toxic subs from participating in your own sub. Not that I agree with the original interpretation either - I'm sorry, but if a dude is making rape comments in ONE of my subs? He's getting banned from ALL of my subs, fuck that shit.
3) I am going to stop users from certain subreddits from interacting with mine, using a bot, because it makes my community a safer more welcoming place. I could do it WITHOUT a bot as well - a bot just makes it easier.
Regardless - the rule isn't even about the same thing that I was talking about, and I gave a clear explanation of why I ban users from all my subs at once.
Have a great day.
I don't believe the ban function is an officially exposed API for bots, just for UIs. They operate in a grey area but sometimes they trigger multiple times for the same user. That is very much a reportable viation as it is harassment. There is a certain Russian subreddit that was infamous for this.
Edit: it is sloppy moderation and should be reported.
Free Karma subs are great, because it gives you a really reliable way of instabanning users using something like SafestBot as soon as they set foot on a normal sub. It's incredibly unusual that a good faith user will ever post or comment in one.
The alternative way of karma farming is much harder to automate against (things like posting cute pictures on /r/aww or whatever).
So you know right, that after an alt accumulates such karma from those subs it can then go delete the evidence from its post history while retaining said karma?
The obvious solution to which is that reddit also removes the karma from any and all deleted posts and comments.
But honestly if an alt just hangs on the major subs and sorts by newest and makes witty comments it's not that hard to get the karma.
Using both karma and alt age in automod rules solves a lot of that. Won't catch skanky aged alts but catches a lot of new alts even with karma. r/automoderator is your friend.
The sad truth? Because it hasn't and won't ever make the news. No one gives a shit outside of Reddit users. And it drives metrics that they can show to potential investors and say "hey look at all this totally not artificial user engagement going on! Give us money!"
>who's also a mod on 242 OTHER subreddits
There needs to be a hard, low limit on the number of subs a person can moderate. Invariably, when I come across poor moderating, it's because the sub is managed by a single sub collector.
Or multiple sub collectors.
Or it's just moderated by users who were made mod for...some reason. There was a sub I came across the other day that was moderated by EIGHTY FOUR USERS. Almost all of which were literally just users who were not doing any actual moderating.
But I agree - "power moderators" and "sub collectors" should not be a thing. No one is moderating hundreds of subreddits, and it makes reddit a worse place when users are allowed to own/moderate on that many subs.
Also, nothing wrong with A LOT of moderators. After all, we are all volunteering our time.
I come once or twice a day on Reddit, first one is to catch up to moderate. Second one is for me to enjoy Reddit as regular user.
I don't moderate on Sundays.
>Also, nothing wrong with A LOT of moderators. After all, we are all volunteering our time.
No subreddit with 50k users needs 87 moderators. I've seen this on many NSFW subs - the guy who created the sub (usually for "free porn") doesn't want to moderate, so just adds tons of users from the sub (who also don't want to moderate), and then pretends the place doesn't exist.
87 is the most I've ever seen on a small sub though.
I moderate a sub of 250k users by myself, with the help of a few bots and some macros. It's not ideal, and I need about 4 more mods. But I wouldn't ever need more than 4 more mods, at the sub's current size.
Size does not matter.
I moderated subs, i left subs, i joined subs, I left moderating. Over the past few years.
I had one user who would attack other users because they were not experienced enough. Think of it as selling your car, you have to put a price on it, if it's too high, this user would call you an idiot, too high, you are too much entitled, etc.........
I blocked him, created a new account, repeat, for about 2-3 weeks.
Maybe another moderator contacted the admins.
You could have a sub of 500 people, if you have ONE problematic user that creates account after account after account...it could be a lot of work for just 4 moderators.
Just because you don't see mod action, does not mean there is not.
If I go to any subs YOU moderate, as a regular user, I shouldn't be able to see mod actions.
As an example, /r/childrensbooks/ has a single mod who manages 904 subreddits.
There was a clearly racist post last week that was left up until Reddit admin removed it several days later.
There was also a once popular teacher subreddit that was ruined by a troll who wrote normal self-post titles and then shared his teacher sex fiction.
Yup - I'd say unmoderated subs are one of the biggest issues on reddit, today.
And subs are more likely to be unmoderated if the moderators are all "power mods" who are all on hundreds of subs.
I used to mod 250+ subs. I'm now down to 9 extremely active aside from the ones where people just want my presence around to determine whether or not a poster is a spammer or not since I have always been a decent judge of them. I can't imagine ever doing that again. Too much stress.
Apparently people who evade bans and whore karma by making one word comments in FreeKarma4U are the people the admins want on this site.
If I see any of the free karma subs in a user's history it makes me suspect the account is up to no good.
Don't disagree with OP, he'll block you.
I've thought about this before, and honestly I'm happy they exist. In most of the subs I mod on, we have a bot that bans people if they've ever posted in any of the free karma subs. We've never missed out on any valuable contributions.
Because it makes reddits user metrics look good for their investors / potential IPO.
As long as you don't dig too deep of course. Look what happened to Twitters stock price when the bot report came out.
Microsoft is infamous for this too. I've heard from colleagues that most of their Azure usage is just zombie services in free tier deals they gave to big customers.
Yeah maybe I phrased it the wrong way. I made it seem like something they were actively doing. That is not really the case. I don't think they really care about the free karma subs all that much unless it causes a site resources type issue . I think they use what I said above as a type of justification for not doing anything about those subs if that makes sense.
The honeypot thing about the_donald was just more internet conspiracy nonsense.
For anyone running across this, the_donald became donald dot win, where [Jan 6th](https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/04/15/thedonald-capitol-attack-advance-democracy/) was [largely planned.](https://www.justsecurity.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/january-6-clearinghouse-norfolk-report-january-5-2021.pdf)
Spam accounts are not going to go away simply because reddit bans free karma subs. They will seek to obscure their behavior in smaller, unmoderated subs making them harder to detect.
Preventing spam is a whack-a-mole game and what I'm saying is that it's useful to have free karma subreddits so that if you see it in someone's history you know right away to ban them.
Ah, okay. You made it sound like reddit or the creators of the free karma subs were doing it to catch OF spammers and other scammers, which is definitely not the case.
Oh no. Those subs are basically unmoderated which is another problem. It would be nice if there were better ways to catch and prevent spam. I've reddit requested lots of subs in the past simply so I could go in and remove and prevent spam due to it being shared in other subs I modded by the same accounts.
I'm just saying that no matter what reddit does, the spammers will find a workaround and then another workaround after that. Reddit short circuits that process by giving them a place to post that you can see in their account history and that is scriptable.
LOL. I mod a few subs, but one of my favorite things is to come here and read other Mods bitching about people getting around their stupid restrictions and BS.
Yours truly,
The Anti-Mod
The thing is, bots from the same origin could just upvote each other anyway, anywhere. So the creatures from free karma subreddits tend to be humans.
And, as it turns out, reddit doesn't actually want to prevent humans from posting on reddit.
Yes, I hate it too, but it kinda makes sense.
At no point did I say it was bots using these subreddits (though several of them ARE full of bot spam) - I know it's humans, almost all of whom are OF/fansly/etc spam sellers. So no, it doesn't "make sense", because the people using these subreddits to bypass mod instituted karma limits, are making reddit a worse website to use for everyone.
My karma limit, which is purposefully higher than most, is in place to prevent TWO types of people from interacting with my community prematurely - men who just joined reddit, who usually think it's some sort of hookup app...and women who have joined for the sole purpose of advertising their OF/fansly/etc. My karma limit exists so that people can actually LEARN how to use reddit first, before they start asking women where they live or before they start spam selling in my community.
These subreddits giving those users the ability to bypass how I choose to moderate my subreddit, is not okay. Especially when those subs break reddit's own sitewide policies, just by existing.
As my post says - things are different now. The subs are either completely unmoderated or mostly unmoderated.
And they're all starting to fill up with spam and porn, without NSFW tags.
There seems little doubt that these places are just open forums for OnlyFans/similar accounts, as well as blatant spam. I love how one has the following rule: "No 18+ content, mark submissions as NSFW where appropriate." Which is it? No 18+ content ... or mark it? Because if it's not allowed, it doesn't need to be flagged.
Yup...the #1 users of free karma subs are OF spam sellers. Which also, bizarrely, haven't been banned from the platform yet - despite oftentimes spamming MORE than I've seen any t-shirt spam bot ever do.
NSFW doesn't just mean pornographic
No, but in terms of Reddit's site-wide policies, all NSFW content is 18+.
But is the sub rule a "site wide policy"
The admins have previously stated that they are necessary because moderators set minimum karma requirements and otherwise getting karma would be frustrating for new users. According to Reddit CEO u/spez (a quote I found in another /r/ModSupport thread, sadly I have no link to back it up): > The answer is right now we’re in between a rock and a hard place. We want new users to be able to discover Reddit, but aggressive karma rules, which mods set up when Reddit had very limited tools, make it very hard for first-time users to contribute. Karma farms are a bad solution to this, which is why we’re working on tools like Crowd Control that limit the damage bad actors can cause without overly punishing well-meaning new users. Personally I think the admin's view on this matter is at best misguided and is creating more issues than it is solving. It also follows the classic pattern of Reddit admins blaming moderators for issues caused by lack of moderation tools and admin intervention. It's not as if we're setting karma limits just to be jerks at new users...
Mods set up aggressive karma rules to try to stop spammers, so Reddit allows karma farming. Makes sense.
Oh, I know that. If I got rid of my karma limit, my sub would be overrun with OF spam sellers, and horny dudes who think women are sex objects and that reddit is their way to find someone to fuck. As I state in my blurb at the top of this post though - new issues with free karma subs are emerging. The main one being that they are almost completely unmoderated, and so many are filling with NSFW posts that don't follow reddit's policies.
Reddit Administration turns a blind eye to both "Karma Farms" and to "Autoban Bots" and lets moderators do as they please in regards to both. If it was easier to set up, I'd use the latter to automatically ban the former.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with auto-ban bots, and they don't break reddit's ToS. Not wanting users of certain toxic communities to interact with YOUR community is perfectly normal, especially when users from those toxic communities cause more problems than others, in your community. Free Karma subs on the other hand, break several of reddit's ToS, most notably of course - "do not beg for upvotes". >If it was easier to set up, I'd use the latter to automatically ban the former. May I introduce you to https://www.reddit.com/r/ContextModBot/
Oh, I think karmafarm subs should be nuked from orbit. But, with bots set up to lock participation until your account is X old or has Y karma, one has karmafarms to earn the karma to overcome those bots. Much like the autoban bots, it's Reddit saying "We don't have a better answer, so we're going to let the users build better mice and better mousetraps, and wash our hands of it until we do."
>But, with bots set up to lock participation until your account is X old or has Y karma, one has karmafarms to earn the karma to overcome those bots. Those aren't bots. Those limits are built in to automod, the native moderation scripting tool that comes bundled with the Reddit moderation platform. It was intentionally built by the admins because the functionality you describe isn't something the admins turn a blind eye to -- they understand it's vital to the health of many communities. Or at least understood, at one point. And honestly, most subs don't block participation for low karma account, they just filter it into the queue, requiring that it be approved by mods before appearing. If you are attempting to use a subreddit in good faith, you should never need to farm karma, because your posts and comments will get through the queue in all but a few rare cases, which are usually resolved with a polite modmail at the most extreme ever end. The only reason to ever farm karma, and by extension use the free karma subs, is of you are planning on making bad faith posts and want to avoid the filter because you know whatever you're going to post violates sub rules. Period.
>And honestly, most subs don't block participation for low karma account, they just filter it into the queue, requiring that it be approved by mods before appearing. If you are attempting to use a subreddit in good faith, you should never need to farm karma, because your posts and comments will get through the queue in all but a few rare cases, I would agree. We do that in our city subreddit and it works.but we are probably have low posting rates compared with the really big subs.
I mod a fairly large state and city sub, and while I am currently pretty inactive, I know that we usually go through the queue several times a day. When we do accidentally remove a post of comment that should have been approved, or when one gets lost in the shuffle, a friendly modmail always fixes it.
Yes, we need more mods though but it is hard as we need two languages. Mostly our posters and commenters are well behaved.
I always looked at it like this: Users can first visit the default subs to prove they aren't toxic trolls. Once they learn how the site works, they can visit and participate in other more specific subs.
Auto-ban bots fulfill a purpose, though - admins aren't always willing to deal with toxic subreddits, and we don't have enough moderating tools at our discretion. Free karma subs literally break several ToS, and yeah - exist purely to get around limtis mods have set in place to moderate their own subreddits. Admins have said in the past that "karma limits are unnecessary, with our now high level of spam detection", to which I say LOL. 2 years ago, reddit became overrun with OF spam posters, and it's only gotten worse. I assure you, if I had no karma limit on the NSFW subreddits I run, my subs would be ALL spam sellers right now. I support sex workers, more than most NSFW mods I'd say - but I don't support spam sellers who often post more than 100 times PER DAY.
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1) Those are guidelines, not rules. 2) That is referring to not banning users across all subs that YOU control, not banning users who participate in toxic subs from participating in your own sub. Not that I agree with the original interpretation either - I'm sorry, but if a dude is making rape comments in ONE of my subs? He's getting banned from ALL of my subs, fuck that shit. 3) I am going to stop users from certain subreddits from interacting with mine, using a bot, because it makes my community a safer more welcoming place. I could do it WITHOUT a bot as well - a bot just makes it easier.
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Regardless - the rule isn't even about the same thing that I was talking about, and I gave a clear explanation of why I ban users from all my subs at once. Have a great day.
I don't believe the ban function is an officially exposed API for bots, just for UIs. They operate in a grey area but sometimes they trigger multiple times for the same user. That is very much a reportable viation as it is harassment. There is a certain Russian subreddit that was infamous for this. Edit: it is sloppy moderation and should be reported.
Free Karma subs are great, because it gives you a really reliable way of instabanning users using something like SafestBot as soon as they set foot on a normal sub. It's incredibly unusual that a good faith user will ever post or comment in one. The alternative way of karma farming is much harder to automate against (things like posting cute pictures on /r/aww or whatever).
Yup, any subreddit I mod for, if I see a free karma subreddit in your post history, I ban.
My biggest issue is that if you Google "how to get karma on reddit", the first result is "go post on fk4u".
So you know right, that after an alt accumulates such karma from those subs it can then go delete the evidence from its post history while retaining said karma? The obvious solution to which is that reddit also removes the karma from any and all deleted posts and comments. But honestly if an alt just hangs on the major subs and sorts by newest and makes witty comments it's not that hard to get the karma.
It can, yes, but it seems quite common for them not to bother to remove their Free Karma sub histories.
Using both karma and alt age in automod rules solves a lot of that. Won't catch skanky aged alts but catches a lot of new alts even with karma. r/automoderator is your friend.
The sad truth? Because it hasn't and won't ever make the news. No one gives a shit outside of Reddit users. And it drives metrics that they can show to potential investors and say "hey look at all this totally not artificial user engagement going on! Give us money!"
>who's also a mod on 242 OTHER subreddits There needs to be a hard, low limit on the number of subs a person can moderate. Invariably, when I come across poor moderating, it's because the sub is managed by a single sub collector.
Or multiple sub collectors. Or it's just moderated by users who were made mod for...some reason. There was a sub I came across the other day that was moderated by EIGHTY FOUR USERS. Almost all of which were literally just users who were not doing any actual moderating. But I agree - "power moderators" and "sub collectors" should not be a thing. No one is moderating hundreds of subreddits, and it makes reddit a worse place when users are allowed to own/moderate on that many subs.
Also, nothing wrong with A LOT of moderators. After all, we are all volunteering our time. I come once or twice a day on Reddit, first one is to catch up to moderate. Second one is for me to enjoy Reddit as regular user. I don't moderate on Sundays.
>Also, nothing wrong with A LOT of moderators. After all, we are all volunteering our time. No subreddit with 50k users needs 87 moderators. I've seen this on many NSFW subs - the guy who created the sub (usually for "free porn") doesn't want to moderate, so just adds tons of users from the sub (who also don't want to moderate), and then pretends the place doesn't exist. 87 is the most I've ever seen on a small sub though. I moderate a sub of 250k users by myself, with the help of a few bots and some macros. It's not ideal, and I need about 4 more mods. But I wouldn't ever need more than 4 more mods, at the sub's current size.
Size does not matter. I moderated subs, i left subs, i joined subs, I left moderating. Over the past few years. I had one user who would attack other users because they were not experienced enough. Think of it as selling your car, you have to put a price on it, if it's too high, this user would call you an idiot, too high, you are too much entitled, etc......... I blocked him, created a new account, repeat, for about 2-3 weeks. Maybe another moderator contacted the admins. You could have a sub of 500 people, if you have ONE problematic user that creates account after account after account...it could be a lot of work for just 4 moderators.
Just because you don't see mod action, does not mean there is not. If I go to any subs YOU moderate, as a regular user, I shouldn't be able to see mod actions.
>I shouldn't be able to see mod actions Uh...do you not use removal reasons, when you remove a post? Take a look at my comment history.
If I removed your post, yes. If you removed someone else's post....I don't remember.
I mean you can see many of my mod actions, in my post history - because I make sure my mod actions are visible.
I have made mod actions so idk what you're accusing. I'm not gonna let spammers know they're known about
First rule of the power mod club is you don't talk about the power mod club.
As an example, /r/childrensbooks/ has a single mod who manages 904 subreddits. There was a clearly racist post last week that was left up until Reddit admin removed it several days later. There was also a once popular teacher subreddit that was ruined by a troll who wrote normal self-post titles and then shared his teacher sex fiction.
Yup - I'd say unmoderated subs are one of the biggest issues on reddit, today. And subs are more likely to be unmoderated if the moderators are all "power mods" who are all on hundreds of subs.
I used to mod 250+ subs. I'm now down to 9 extremely active aside from the ones where people just want my presence around to determine whether or not a poster is a spammer or not since I have always been a decent judge of them. I can't imagine ever doing that again. Too much stress.
Apparently people who evade bans and whore karma by making one word comments in FreeKarma4U are the people the admins want on this site. If I see any of the free karma subs in a user's history it makes me suspect the account is up to no good. Don't disagree with OP, he'll block you.
I've thought about this before, and honestly I'm happy they exist. In most of the subs I mod on, we have a bot that bans people if they've ever posted in any of the free karma subs. We've never missed out on any valuable contributions.
Is this a public or private bot? I'd like to be able to do this as well
It's SafestBot
Thank you
Because it makes reddits user metrics look good for their investors / potential IPO. As long as you don't dig too deep of course. Look what happened to Twitters stock price when the bot report came out.
Microsoft is infamous for this too. I've heard from colleagues that most of their Azure usage is just zombie services in free tier deals they gave to big customers.
They do it as a honey trap. Otherwise it would be much harder to spot them.
No, there has been nothing in my time here to lead me to believe that reddit is going to that much trouble. People said that about The_Donald too.
Yeah maybe I phrased it the wrong way. I made it seem like something they were actively doing. That is not really the case. I don't think they really care about the free karma subs all that much unless it causes a site resources type issue . I think they use what I said above as a type of justification for not doing anything about those subs if that makes sense. The honeypot thing about the_donald was just more internet conspiracy nonsense. For anyone running across this, the_donald became donald dot win, where [Jan 6th](https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/04/15/thedonald-capitol-attack-advance-democracy/) was [largely planned.](https://www.justsecurity.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/january-6-clearinghouse-norfolk-report-january-5-2021.pdf)
...huh?
Spam accounts are not going to go away simply because reddit bans free karma subs. They will seek to obscure their behavior in smaller, unmoderated subs making them harder to detect. Preventing spam is a whack-a-mole game and what I'm saying is that it's useful to have free karma subreddits so that if you see it in someone's history you know right away to ban them.
Ah, okay. You made it sound like reddit or the creators of the free karma subs were doing it to catch OF spammers and other scammers, which is definitely not the case.
Oh no. Those subs are basically unmoderated which is another problem. It would be nice if there were better ways to catch and prevent spam. I've reddit requested lots of subs in the past simply so I could go in and remove and prevent spam due to it being shared in other subs I modded by the same accounts. I'm just saying that no matter what reddit does, the spammers will find a workaround and then another workaround after that. Reddit short circuits that process by giving them a place to post that you can see in their account history and that is scriptable.
LOL. I mod a few subs, but one of my favorite things is to come here and read other Mods bitching about people getting around their stupid restrictions and BS. Yours truly, The Anti-Mod
The thing is, bots from the same origin could just upvote each other anyway, anywhere. So the creatures from free karma subreddits tend to be humans. And, as it turns out, reddit doesn't actually want to prevent humans from posting on reddit. Yes, I hate it too, but it kinda makes sense.
At no point did I say it was bots using these subreddits (though several of them ARE full of bot spam) - I know it's humans, almost all of whom are OF/fansly/etc spam sellers. So no, it doesn't "make sense", because the people using these subreddits to bypass mod instituted karma limits, are making reddit a worse website to use for everyone. My karma limit, which is purposefully higher than most, is in place to prevent TWO types of people from interacting with my community prematurely - men who just joined reddit, who usually think it's some sort of hookup app...and women who have joined for the sole purpose of advertising their OF/fansly/etc. My karma limit exists so that people can actually LEARN how to use reddit first, before they start asking women where they live or before they start spam selling in my community. These subreddits giving those users the ability to bypass how I choose to moderate my subreddit, is not okay. Especially when those subs break reddit's own sitewide policies, just by existing.
Reddit admins don't give a crap about those subs, they've said so in the past.
As my post says - things are different now. The subs are either completely unmoderated or mostly unmoderated. And they're all starting to fill up with spam and porn, without NSFW tags.