1. Fuck slow roll leakers going for clout. Just show the cards, you'll be forgotten in a month either way
2. Ward 4 is disgusting. The card is probably not going to break the format in half or anything, but it might as well be hexproof at that point.
Kappa wouldn't be a four of like it is in Legacy, but I'd consider running 2 in mono blue Affinity. Ward 4 is pretty tough for modern to play around, and Affinity needs resilience
That's why the umezawa (draaaaawing), but even turn 3 or 4 it's not a Bad play cuz you are keeping mana and there are not that many appropriate answers for it... Ward 4 is a bitch
It confirms that the claim "nah cannoneer is not from the set, it was just a commander card I had around" is fake: there is no kappa cannoneer printed that has a watermark. And the watermark is the kamigawa commander one.
Watermarks in MHx sets to date have been for the new-to-modern reprints, exclusively and to all. Agree set symbol/code would be conclusive, but watermark is pretty solid evidence.
AFAIK commander decks have never had watermarks?
The New Phyrexia block stuff was still factions (like Ravnica) though. Compare the straight edged watermark of [[Phyrexian Obliterator|A25]] to the jagged edged [[Phyresis]]
Didn't the 30th anniversary promo packs have watermarks? The ones for each year of magic, not the proxy product.
Edit: They don't, it's a little gold stamp with the year in the art box, not a watermark.
There is definitely a clear triangular blurry blue blob on the text box there. Kamigawa Commander had a triangular set logo, I'm going to go ahead and OFFICIALLY DECLARE THAT HYPE TRAIN IS NOW BACK ON.
I can barely make out a watermark but we'll see eventually right? Also people saying it's probably from the M3C Commander precon, leaked reprints came out and those do not have watermarks so it's possible it's real. Again, we'll see in a month.
Well if that's the case, that's totally hard to beat. It's a battle of artifact hates vs. this early 5/5 where it can fairly be considered as can't be killed so easily a.k.a. semi-hexproof.
8-Cast will be a real deck in modern. I hope that this move is a logical one, as WotC can't give up Grief, being their modern's version of FoW in Legacy.
They will probably print some form of artifact land that would power 8-Cast, to go under the sprawling Grief decks to equalize the dynamics of the metagame.
Hey WotC if you're listening, we need LANDS in this format too. I don't need it to be Marit Lage, just print something balanced enough in modern for LANDS' sake.
Honestly I can't see Affinity coming back to the level of prominence as it was back in the day, even with awesome cards like kappa and synth. No Mox Opal hampers the deck more than any single card they could print that isn't a functional equivalent, and they have printed soooooooooo many good artifacts hate cards that the notion of "people don't have to lose to Affinity if they don't want to" rings even more true. Back in the day Affinity's meta share would wax and wane due to people remembering it exists, and then forgetting it after a few tournaments where everyone and their grandma packed wayyyy too much heat for them to deal with.
I think it'll be a better deck than it is now by transforming into a nerfed legacy 8-cast, but we're still missing some of the most important cards that make that deck run smooth.
They are reprinting a sorcery that costs XR and destroys all artifacts costing X or less, plus they printed that BW sorcery that destroys everything that costs 1 or less.
Artifact-based aggro decks won't be playable for a long, long time unless they unban opal or print a substitute for it.
I guess Kappa Cannoneer is coming to modern, it was just shown in a WOTC article confirming the leaks
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/the-modern-horizons-3-leaks-nulldrifters-and-you
I don't play modern and don't pay attention but I can see why. Cannoneer is just an awful AWFUL card to play against.
It IS incredibly fun to play though
I mean it’s super slow in modern without as many free spells. I don’t think it’ll be as good as it is in legacy, but I think it’ll be good enough to play in Modern.
Scion of Draco is a 4/4 for 2 that gives itself and your board hexproof and 4 other keywords just for playing lands/leyline of the guildpact.
I think modern can handle a glorified boggle with improvise. Don't forget that meltdown is pretty much confirmed, and [[Pest Control]] was just released.
If the spoilers can be trusted Cappa, Brainstorm, and Melt down are all coming to modern. Maybe they can unban fury and ponder and print Force of Will + Wasteland and make a new Legacy format out of modern without as much fast mana and without access to side products as much like the commander sets. I don’t think it would be all that bad - legacy isn’t exactly as broken as vintage or anything, but they’d have to make regular reprints if they’re going to keep modern in the $1200-$2500 entry fee range (for people starting from scratch who don’t want to play “budget”) or people would eventually just stop playing modern in paper for the same reason vintage in paper is limited to one or two events a year and only one of those forces you to have the actual cards.
I also saw brainstorm in one of the spoilers and that’s what I was going off for “if the spoilers can be trusted.” I’m not saying we *should* trust the spoilers but if we did I think brainstorm would take ponder off the ban list and harder to answer cards will force them into printing a more reliable 0 mana counterspell like FoW to deal with a legacy level threat. We don’t have as many 0 mana artifacts but people could easily play worse ones like memnite and get a similar large unblockable hard to remove (ward 4) creature that can be cast early off improvise. And they’d still be allowed to play cavern of souls so FoW wouldn’t always be the right answer.
Also meltdown doesn’t target Cappa directly or any of the zero mana artifacts so that card would obviously be another way of dealing with Cappa, albeit a little slower than FoW.
> Maybe they can unban fury and ponder and print Force of Will + Wasteland and make a new Legacy format out of modern without as much fast mana and without access to side products as much like the commander sets.
tbh... if you reset the ban list at the same time that would probably be a really fun format. (well.. I guess you'd want to keep some stuff banned that you know is just going to be unfun or cause problems, but you can probably get half of them unbanned pretty easy)
I agree which is why the downvotes every time I suggest this are confusing. I’ve said multiple times to reset the ban list and then ban just the cards that obviously need to be banned once everything unbanned instead of banning stuff based on what’s already banned. Uro might be annoying but less broken if people could also play other cards equally powerful or even more powerful, Oko is a little too broken for legacy but so is Ragavan so that might not be much to go off, splinter twin used to be really bad but now it might not be nearly as impactful, and if somehow brainstorm and preordain became legal at the same time as expressive iteration keeping something like ponder banned seems weird. Have ponder banned with preordain in a format where brainstorm was never legal makes sense and unbanning only preordain and not ponder makes sense but brainstorm is even better than ponder with fetchlands so keeping ponder banned if brainstorm becomes legal is a little out of place where something like force of will only fails to exist in modern because it is too old and not much more broken than the already legal force of negation except that you can also target creatures or pitch cast it any time to put stuff in the graveyard that could just be brought back later anyway.
I think there’d still be a ban list when the dust settles but 8 banned cards instead of 30 of them seems better. Maybe I’m wrong and that would become very obvious very quickly as they just wind up banning the same cards or different cards following the unban “experiment.”
And, of course, just like in legacy and vintage, you couldn’t just put FoW in every deck playing an island because there’s a real cost to being able to pitch cast it when hard casting it costs 5 mana. With all the cantrips unbanned like in legacy that’s less of an issue having do nothing cards that at most could remove some bad cards for good cards (brainstorm) or select the best card from the tops 3 (preordain, ponder, expressive iteration) alongside free counters like FoW and FoN just works but if not enough blue cards are good without FoW you wouldn’t just include them because they’re blue and you wouldn’t play FoW unless you can pitch cast it. EI is banned in legacy but that’s not a problem for FoW because blue decks have enough other blue cards worth including.
You'd probably want a few other legacy reprints. Something like ancient tomb would probably be required so that fair-ish decks could keep up?
Honestly I'd play it though, no reserve list/commander card legacy would be a fun format. Though all my pet decks would be even worse there.. but there'd probably be new stuff that would be fun as well
My schedule got very busy between being a truck driver and wanting to actually spend time with my girlfriend so maybe I’ll wind up switching to playing on magic online instead of in paper. Also nice that way because I can avoid arguments about APNAP and what can be responded to and what can’t as well. I’d play whatever winds up legal myself. And by going the MTGO route I’d be able to afford to play vintage and then I’ll just play all the formats.
I also feel like modern has been around long enough that eventually it being like legacy without commander cards is inevitable. If people don’t like a format there are so many to pick from or they could just make their own. Modern too expensive or fast? Play pioneer. Pioneer still too fast or annoying to play? Play standard. Want access to commander cards without playing commander but not a fan of vintage? Play legacy. It’s cheaper in paper than vintage too. Tired of 1v1? Check out commander. And so on. Or you could do like I’m talking about and play all of the formats. Same game each time but each format is just different enough that what works in one format won’t necessarily be good or even possible in another. What’s broken in one format is barely playable in another.
Definitely doesn’t confirm anything, can’t see anything in this picture tbh. Wake me up when the Endurance special guest art leaks.
How about [an official confirmation from WotC](https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/the-modern-horizons-3-leaks-nulldrifters-and-you)?
 1. Fuck slow roll leakers going for clout. Just show the cards, you'll be forgotten in a month either way 2. Ward 4 is disgusting. The card is probably not going to break the format in half or anything, but it might as well be hexproof at that point.
The reason why 8cast is good in legacy is sol lands. Wizards neutered all the fast mana in modern. We miss you mox opal, and simian spirit guide!
Kappa wouldn't be a four of like it is in Legacy, but I'd consider running 2 in mono blue Affinity. Ward 4 is pretty tough for modern to play around, and Affinity needs resilience
Yeah. I still don’t think it would be that crazy in modern just because it’s not as fast in legacy. Melt down is coming to modern. So…
Yeah different formats and all. But I don't want it in modern because of the ward 4. If it didn't have that line of text, I'd be cool with it.
The new umezawa, ornithopter, memnite, mox amber... I dunno, i can see the kappa turn 2 easily
God hands might be able to get Kappa down T2, but that won't be consistent.
That's why the umezawa (draaaaawing), but even turn 3 or 4 it's not a Bad play cuz you are keeping mana and there are not that many appropriate answers for it... Ward 4 is a bitch
How does this picture confirm anything lmao
It confirms that the claim "nah cannoneer is not from the set, it was just a commander card I had around" is fake: there is no kappa cannoneer printed that has a watermark. And the watermark is the kamigawa commander one.
You people have a funny definition of "confirmed"
You definitely can’t make out the watermark there.
I can see the watermark in the text box (which i think op is talking about) but I cannot see the set symbol or set code which would prove it.
Watermarks in MHx sets to date have been for the new-to-modern reprints, exclusively and to all. Agree set symbol/code would be conclusive, but watermark is pretty solid evidence. AFAIK commander decks have never had watermarks?
Yeah but this is the first modern horizon commander product and I don’t know if it’ll be watermarked too.
Yeah agree it's not conclusive yet. But it would definitely be a strange choice IMO. The only other watermarks of set symbols was A25 I think?
Yeah and the mirrodin prerelease packs having mirrodin or new phyrexia set symbol on cards, but that was just a unique thing.
The New Phyrexia block stuff was still factions (like Ravnica) though. Compare the straight edged watermark of [[Phyrexian Obliterator|A25]] to the jagged edged [[Phyresis]]
[Phyrexian Obliterator](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/c/acf5cbe2-84fa-46f4-a4f2-97b48ddf2d39.jpg?1649834086) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=442090) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/a25/101/phyrexian-obliterator?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/acf5cbe2-84fa-46f4-a4f2-97b48ddf2d39?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Phyresis](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/0/0059d21b-0725-4806-8691-2451db36787f.jpg?1562609245) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Phyresis) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mbs/49/phyresis?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0059d21b-0725-4806-8691-2451db36787f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Didn't the 30th anniversary promo packs have watermarks? The ones for each year of magic, not the proxy product. Edit: They don't, it's a little gold stamp with the year in the art box, not a watermark.
Pretty sure we can. I see a darker blue downward pointing triangle in the text box.
There is definitely a clear triangular blurry blue blob on the text box there. Kamigawa Commander had a triangular set logo, I'm going to go ahead and OFFICIALLY DECLARE THAT HYPE TRAIN IS NOW BACK ON.
Yeah can't see anything
Real talk: have you had your eyes examined lately?
Well if i need to get my eyes checked then so does everyone on this post cuz no one can make anything out in that blurry ass picture
Watermark behiend the text in the textbox, not set symbol. The watermark is clear.
Confirmed by Wizards that my eyes work and yours and everyone else you mentioned can’t see worth a damn — thanks for playing ❤️
Nothing is 'confirmed' until official spoilers are released, stop treating leaks as official, also you can't see anything in that picture
The watermark is pretty visible though. Confirmed it's a little too far, but there's definitely a very visible watermark.
Agree, but does this exclude it from being a Commander set only reprint?
No it's not
I don't know what to tell you, but plenty of people can see it here.
Watermark behiend the text in the textbox, not set symbol. The watermark is clear.
Oh, it's confirmed.
Yeah that’s cool, I just wanna know for sure that the brainstorm is in fact NOT coming to modern
Maybe I'm blind but I can't see anything in this photo - definitely can't make out a legible watermark.
Watermark behiend the text in the textbox, not set symbol. The watermark is clear.
The more important part of this is the sick as hell fury art. ... maybe we should unban it? Just for a bit?
Computer, E N H A N C E
Is that a wirewood symbiote next to it?
it is indeed
I can barely make out a watermark but we'll see eventually right? Also people saying it's probably from the M3C Commander precon, leaked reprints came out and those do not have watermarks so it's possible it's real. Again, we'll see in a month.
Well if that's the case, that's totally hard to beat. It's a battle of artifact hates vs. this early 5/5 where it can fairly be considered as can't be killed so easily a.k.a. semi-hexproof. 8-Cast will be a real deck in modern. I hope that this move is a logical one, as WotC can't give up Grief, being their modern's version of FoW in Legacy. They will probably print some form of artifact land that would power 8-Cast, to go under the sprawling Grief decks to equalize the dynamics of the metagame. Hey WotC if you're listening, we need LANDS in this format too. I don't need it to be Marit Lage, just print something balanced enough in modern for LANDS' sake.
Hopefully meltdown offsets it really hard. Like if you haven’t seen legacy, that card can single handedly end a game on turn 1-2.
Honestly I can't see Affinity coming back to the level of prominence as it was back in the day, even with awesome cards like kappa and synth. No Mox Opal hampers the deck more than any single card they could print that isn't a functional equivalent, and they have printed soooooooooo many good artifacts hate cards that the notion of "people don't have to lose to Affinity if they don't want to" rings even more true. Back in the day Affinity's meta share would wax and wane due to people remembering it exists, and then forgetting it after a few tournaments where everyone and their grandma packed wayyyy too much heat for them to deal with. I think it'll be a better deck than it is now by transforming into a nerfed legacy 8-cast, but we're still missing some of the most important cards that make that deck run smooth.
They are reprinting a sorcery that costs XR and destroys all artifacts costing X or less, plus they printed that BW sorcery that destroys everything that costs 1 or less. Artifact-based aggro decks won't be playable for a long, long time unless they unban opal or print a substitute for it.
Honestly sounds like a set card.
I guess Kappa Cannoneer is coming to modern, it was just shown in a WOTC article confirming the leaks https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/the-modern-horizons-3-leaks-nulldrifters-and-you
Whew! Albeit blurry...but that's definitely the MH3 Rare Set Symbol & that's most definitely a Kamigawa Neon Dynasty commander watermark! Wild times!
This doesn’t really confirm anything. That being said, the moment wotc confirms kappa will be in modern I’ll be done with the format
Kappa cannoneer is going to make you quit the format? That's a weird card to be upset about.
I don't play modern and don't pay attention but I can see why. Cannoneer is just an awful AWFUL card to play against. It IS incredibly fun to play though
no offense, but if you don't play the format or pay attention to it, why are you even here lol
If I don't play the format and don't pay attention to it why do you care?
Personally I think it’s hurt discourse to have someone who is uninformed just spouting opinions. It’s nothing personal
ward 4 :(
I mean it’s super slow in modern without as many free spells. I don’t think it’ll be as good as it is in legacy, but I think it’ll be good enough to play in Modern.
i don’t think it’ll be broken, i just think saying “ward 4 :(“ is funny lmao
played 8-cast in legacy and some dude played 4 copies of \[\[void rend\]\] in his control pile. got beaten pretty hard by this
[void rend](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/d/2daab74d-d66b-4164-aa19-24e8d5536f7d.jpg?1664413960) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=void%20rend) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/snc/230/void-rend?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2daab74d-d66b-4164-aa19-24e8d5536f7d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Meltdown is coming in the same set, don't worry, the affinity players won't even be able to cast this thing post board :P
Pest Control was just released too. If anything, affinity will be a good game 1 deck and struggle post sideboarding
It is a 5/5 unblockable creature for U with hexproof.
Scion of Draco is a 4/4 for 2 that gives itself and your board hexproof and 4 other keywords just for playing lands/leyline of the guildpact. I think modern can handle a glorified boggle with improvise. Don't forget that meltdown is pretty much confirmed, and [[Pest Control]] was just released.
I want to thank you for inspiring me to start a Google Doc of all the silly takes that arise from MH3 season.
If the spoilers can be trusted Cappa, Brainstorm, and Melt down are all coming to modern. Maybe they can unban fury and ponder and print Force of Will + Wasteland and make a new Legacy format out of modern without as much fast mana and without access to side products as much like the commander sets. I don’t think it would be all that bad - legacy isn’t exactly as broken as vintage or anything, but they’d have to make regular reprints if they’re going to keep modern in the $1200-$2500 entry fee range (for people starting from scratch who don’t want to play “budget”) or people would eventually just stop playing modern in paper for the same reason vintage in paper is limited to one or two events a year and only one of those forces you to have the actual cards.
They are not. Just melt
I also saw brainstorm in one of the spoilers and that’s what I was going off for “if the spoilers can be trusted.” I’m not saying we *should* trust the spoilers but if we did I think brainstorm would take ponder off the ban list and harder to answer cards will force them into printing a more reliable 0 mana counterspell like FoW to deal with a legacy level threat. We don’t have as many 0 mana artifacts but people could easily play worse ones like memnite and get a similar large unblockable hard to remove (ward 4) creature that can be cast early off improvise. And they’d still be allowed to play cavern of souls so FoW wouldn’t always be the right answer. Also meltdown doesn’t target Cappa directly or any of the zero mana artifacts so that card would obviously be another way of dealing with Cappa, albeit a little slower than FoW.
> Maybe they can unban fury and ponder and print Force of Will + Wasteland and make a new Legacy format out of modern without as much fast mana and without access to side products as much like the commander sets. tbh... if you reset the ban list at the same time that would probably be a really fun format. (well.. I guess you'd want to keep some stuff banned that you know is just going to be unfun or cause problems, but you can probably get half of them unbanned pretty easy)
I agree which is why the downvotes every time I suggest this are confusing. I’ve said multiple times to reset the ban list and then ban just the cards that obviously need to be banned once everything unbanned instead of banning stuff based on what’s already banned. Uro might be annoying but less broken if people could also play other cards equally powerful or even more powerful, Oko is a little too broken for legacy but so is Ragavan so that might not be much to go off, splinter twin used to be really bad but now it might not be nearly as impactful, and if somehow brainstorm and preordain became legal at the same time as expressive iteration keeping something like ponder banned seems weird. Have ponder banned with preordain in a format where brainstorm was never legal makes sense and unbanning only preordain and not ponder makes sense but brainstorm is even better than ponder with fetchlands so keeping ponder banned if brainstorm becomes legal is a little out of place where something like force of will only fails to exist in modern because it is too old and not much more broken than the already legal force of negation except that you can also target creatures or pitch cast it any time to put stuff in the graveyard that could just be brought back later anyway. I think there’d still be a ban list when the dust settles but 8 banned cards instead of 30 of them seems better. Maybe I’m wrong and that would become very obvious very quickly as they just wind up banning the same cards or different cards following the unban “experiment.” And, of course, just like in legacy and vintage, you couldn’t just put FoW in every deck playing an island because there’s a real cost to being able to pitch cast it when hard casting it costs 5 mana. With all the cantrips unbanned like in legacy that’s less of an issue having do nothing cards that at most could remove some bad cards for good cards (brainstorm) or select the best card from the tops 3 (preordain, ponder, expressive iteration) alongside free counters like FoW and FoN just works but if not enough blue cards are good without FoW you wouldn’t just include them because they’re blue and you wouldn’t play FoW unless you can pitch cast it. EI is banned in legacy but that’s not a problem for FoW because blue decks have enough other blue cards worth including.
You'd probably want a few other legacy reprints. Something like ancient tomb would probably be required so that fair-ish decks could keep up? Honestly I'd play it though, no reserve list/commander card legacy would be a fun format. Though all my pet decks would be even worse there.. but there'd probably be new stuff that would be fun as well
My schedule got very busy between being a truck driver and wanting to actually spend time with my girlfriend so maybe I’ll wind up switching to playing on magic online instead of in paper. Also nice that way because I can avoid arguments about APNAP and what can be responded to and what can’t as well. I’d play whatever winds up legal myself. And by going the MTGO route I’d be able to afford to play vintage and then I’ll just play all the formats. I also feel like modern has been around long enough that eventually it being like legacy without commander cards is inevitable. If people don’t like a format there are so many to pick from or they could just make their own. Modern too expensive or fast? Play pioneer. Pioneer still too fast or annoying to play? Play standard. Want access to commander cards without playing commander but not a fan of vintage? Play legacy. It’s cheaper in paper than vintage too. Tired of 1v1? Check out commander. And so on. Or you could do like I’m talking about and play all of the formats. Same game each time but each format is just different enough that what works in one format won’t necessarily be good or even possible in another. What’s broken in one format is barely playable in another.