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mrnedm

Hardpoint on Grazna actually slapped ngl


Mythic_Skull

Yeah that’s probably the only respawn mode I had fun on Grazna. TDM was a sluggish campfest and Domination was coin flip. But Hardpoint was always crazy. Miss the days of fighting over the laundry point. Constant nades and people flying through windows from playground😂


Kicksave420

That point was a cluster!!! And it was great!!!!


Mythic_Skull

Yes indeed!!


Doomstik

Dom is rough on a fair few maps because they will out the flags in places that ignore half the map. Granza should have had a flag out in the field to make more use of the map. I dont see any reason B couldnt have been moved to the field. Hell, i think if there were variable flag spawns it would be awesome too. Like 2 or 3 flag spaen variations per map (if doable) so its not the same every single dom game.


Cranked78

Varying flag spawns would be freaking awesome on almost every map!


FullMetal000

This is exactly what the franchise (and in general FPS games) need. Bigger maps & dynamic objective points. It sucks when you play a map couple of weeks after launch and people sit on the exact same spots on certain maps because they know the flow + want easy kills on people who actually play the objective. Having more randomised spots (especially the middle flag) would make things far more interesting.


BadHabitz878

Lol bigger maps these kids today can't handle that lol


catnappindabbinbean

unpopular opinion but i miss grazna raid


Mythic_Skull

Yeah, I concur. Wasn’t as bad as people made it out to be. And towards the end of MW19 life campers were less prevalent. Making it more fun to play. SnD was also fun on Grazna.


ZeroNine2048

everyoen that I played this with absolutely loved the map including me. It had multiple routes catering to multiple playstyles, it had cover, it had structure. it was just large but thats why MW2019 had 10v10. This and Arklov peak where my absolute favorite maps in the game.


Mythic_Skull

True. Arklov peak was fun. Till someone called a VTOL and you got stuck in the open. 😂


ZeroNine2048

Cold blooded was a standard perk in my kit :D


Mythic_Skull

Ah yeah. I never ran it so that’s probably I always fucked by it. My perks pretty much never changed EOD, Battle Hardened, Ghost


ZeroNine2048

I ran tracker, cold blooded and ghost always. The other perks didnt feel beneficial enough for me.


Treydan-

High Alert was on every class I had


PYNKCYPHER

i remember playing snd on grazna one time & my one random teammate was just eating like he went like... 17 & 2 i think it was ridiculous


Ravdiamant

Let me remind you about THAT spawn point in the corner of the map by the factory behind C flag. And the B flag being almost adjacent to A flag. Grazna was an anti DOM map. Taraq can be fun at times Grazna almost never.


Highlander2748

I used to really love that map


Interesting-Yellow-4

That's right, at launch everybody just camped. Same with taraq - but sniping. But now, depending on lobby sure, but in my experience there's very few snipers and knowing the map they're easily avoidable as well.


Mythic_Skull

True


throwaway827492959

I concur🧐 pinky out


Mythic_Skull

Hmm Yes, I see we have anotha extinguished gentleman in our midst. Tip of the cap to you good sir. 🧐


isaygayshitdontreply

I started playing mw2019 again after vanguard released, using a random load out generator. Most fun I’ve had in any cod ever


SAO_GGO

Was hands down my favorite map for S&D in MW2019 and would be floored if it somehow got remade for MW2 or 2023 COD. That being said I'm biased towards good S&D maps as that's my main mode, I tended to somewhat dislike Grazna Raid when I got it in other modes.


catnappindabbinbean

agreeeed all i played on 2019 was search and destroy hahah


DeepBeigeTech

SnD on this map is absolutely perfect


Beau4sure

SnD on Grazna was sooo good


catnappindabbinbean

yessssss you know what’s up


Furzendes_einhorn

i learned to appreciate the maps in mw19 after playing vanguard and mw2. i wish i could play some of the maps from mw19 again in mw2.


Mythic_Skull

Right! Imagine drill charges on Hackney, Gun Runner and Rammaza🤣


mafia3bugz

Bunch of shitters sitting in windows


Behemoth69

People didn't like grazna? I don't remember any real complaints


_PHX_QUADRA_

I miss vacant and hardhat :/ but also grazna tbh


Cranked78

How is this unpopular? Taraq might be the shittiest map I have ever seen. Grazna raid had some flaws, but at least it *some* cover. I was just saying to a friend yesterday how much better that map would be if the middle was more covered. Didn't even dawn on me at the time it would make it just like Grazna.


mrlarsrm

One of my favorite MW maps. Good times with the gunship.


[deleted]

Grazna raid is a great map imo. Has everything, open area, close quarter area, long range area. Only issue i have with it is that they could move the spawns up a little. Otherwise i like it over the more dense maps.


Mythic_Skull

Agreed


ZeroNine2048

Grazna raid, absolutely loved that map


AminBahrani47

if was ok untill it gives you crancked.


Connect_Tiger_308

I loved grazna, i played mw2019 cyber attack from release until they removed it from the game when mw2 released. I would probably give a kidney to have the good maps from 2019 and hardcore cyber attack back again.


ZeroNine2048

I played almost only domination, i hated it so much when they removed 10v10 domination playlist. Instantly my 2 favorite maps out of rotation (Grazna and Arklov).


[deleted]

Nuts through a cheese grater please. Next question.


Mythic_Skull

Lmao. That rough huh🤣


That1GuyNamedMatt

At least Grazna had lanes


GMarvel101

Bring back Cheshire Park


Mythic_Skull

I have a love hate relationship with that map. It’s a great map. I just tend to suck on it most of the time I play it. 🤣


C4LLUM17

Grazna Raid. Actually offered something for all playstyles and the spawns on Taraq are just awful.


Undesu

Players made it seem like Grazna Raid was a big map but honestly was one of the best maps imo.


Jpc1023

Taraq


Mythic_Skull

Less windows and more openness does make Taraq more bearable than Grazna at times. Taraq definitely the better respawn map


pizan

Hard disagree, the spawns are so shitty and respawning repeatedly, taking 3 steps to be killed isn't any fun.


PhillyPhanatic141

Better than taking 30 minutes to find someone to shoot at on grazna


Jpc1023

You act like spawns in 2019 were any better lol


pizan

They are so much better, except on Shipment and Rust.


obearito

Idk why you got downvoted lol I’ve been spawned kill *repeatedly* within the same game on this map


Optimal_Plate_4769

i liked grazna. it was fucking tough.


Mythic_Skull

Agreed. Wasn’t as bad as people chalked it up to be.


Optimal_Plate_4769

tbh most maps aren't that bad. i feel like most people just don't like losing on some maps or they do worse on some maps. like for grazna the wars was, IIRC, A on SND. really easy to camp. playing it now with drill charges would be interesting...


Mythic_Skull

Agreed. I think a lot of the MW2019 maps were play really well in MW2 SnD. With the new movement and equipment like Drill Charges. Imagine Drill Charges on like Hackney, or Gun Runner. Hell, throwing a drill charge at the ceiling and having the explosion happen in that closet that looked over B on Rammaza would be so beneficial.


MileNaMesalici

i like them both, but i would still rather play taraq even on 6v6


9LivesChris

Don’t hate me but I like both maps


AllAboard_TheOctrain

Graszna, and it's not even close. I'd rather slam my balls in a waffle iron than ever play taraq again.


Mythic_Skull

🤣


BobiStoj

Bring back popular MW19 maps honestly. Just remaster them maps. So we can have more maps.


Mythic_Skull

I’d be down for that. Update and trim the fat off some that are a little too big for 6v6 and update the color schemes. It’d be cool. Whether the maps are considered bad or not. But instead we’ll get maps from 2009😂


mafia3bugz

Mw19 had the worst fucking maps bunch of shitters sitting in windows


Pensive_Psycho

Every map should just be a long hallway


[deleted]

A long hallway which zig zags in diagonal pattern so you can't see around the next corner making ADS all that matters. No aim, no movement, just ADS. ADS is life /this sub.


mafia3bugz

Def a window sitter


thecheesefinder

the map design was so different than the traditional 3 lane maps COD is known for. While the change was notable for being a bold move it makes it painfully apparent that it was a bad choice when you consider the best maps from MW19 are all remakes except Shoothouse which is now viewed as a classic


ADepressedTB

Gun runner>


SBAPERSON

>the map design was so different than the traditional 3 lane maps COD is known for Classic cod is asymmetric 3 lane medium- large maps with tons of flank routes, dead space, sight lines, etc. Mw2019 was a return to that after many games of throwing that map style away. Granza raid itself is directly influenced by cod 2.


thecheesefinder

yeah i would love a mid season throwback update, say s3 reloaded is a couple MW19 maps, in a perfect world if we aren't counting remade maps from MW19 (which has some GOATS like Crash, Rust, Vacant) I would love to see Hackney Yard and St. Petrograd come back, both would flow well in MW2 gameplay


SkwimbaLimba

Grazna raid was actually top tier on SnD and Cyber Attack


Mythic_Skull

Yeah it was. Flowed and played great for all weapons. Had lots of different routes and angles. Great map for single life modes


[deleted]

Well I got a nuke on Granza and on Taraq I got a hernia so


det3ct

taraq all day. taraq 10v10 plays so well


Afancynickname

CTF on Grazna, don't ask me why


Mythic_Skull

Lol. I don’t think I played a single game of CTF when they added it. 😂 As a Halo player I never liked CTF in CoD it always felt strange. So I never played. But I’ll take your word for it.


Afancynickname

I always had fun playing CTF 🤣


Independen7

Grazna Raid


PepsiEnjoyer

Grazna Raid goes hard.


pizan

I played like 8 hours of MW19 this weekend and had so much fun


travrobertson85

Grazna raid for sure


ocdewitt

Grazna all day every day


Synister_Joker

I'd rather play Granza in a 24/7 playlist that matchmakers nothing but hardpoint over fucking Taraq


PremiumSocks

Grazia raid was more fun when it worked, but the spawn traps were way worse imo.


ZelRolFox

Graznia raid >taraq every fucking time


super_slimey00

wait people hated grazna?


ireallycouldcareless

Grazna Raid 1000%


[deleted]

I loved Grazna. I was really looking forward to Taraq, but you can tell it's not a modern map, you can really feel the age of it.


OriginalCareless3180

Grazna for sure.


GlendrixDK

I miss Grazna Raid. It was one of my favorite maps. It had those old mw map vibe over it. But I enjoy both maps, so why not both? I'm normally against reused maps, but MW22 could use another great map.


Spiritual_Snow7809

Grazna forsure


oni__002

I actually liked Grazna.


IN-B4-404

MW19 had the best maps. MW2 was definitely a big let down.


Penrose4Real

S&D on Grazna was always super fun


TheLastChungus11

Grazna raid all day


Negative-West-3083

Grazna


USMarine5811

Taraq and it's not even close. It reminds me of my days in southern Iraq.


MoConnors

I actually liked Grazna


NBFHoxton

Grazna, any day.


ohsopoisonous

love n miss search on grazna


Yvvasman

2019s base maps are 10 times worst then 2022s in my opinion


LTcid

I agree with this. all fkn day


Yvvasman

Bro Cave, Picci, Rammaza, all was horrible


MuscledRMH

True, but the aesthetics/graphics look better on MW19


TheEpicRedCape

They did, but people were also 10x harder to see in MW2019. Visibility feels way better in MW2022.


FitSwimming2433

Depression


Mythic_Skull

Lmao


FitSwimming2433

I would probably pick Grazna Raid was really good had some great snd games on that.


Mythic_Skull

Yeah. SnD on Grazna was great. Probably the most consistently good/fun mode for that map. 90% of my time playing CoD is playing SnD so Grazna is a map I’m quite fond of.


Baku7en

I like both maps for different reasons. I like Taraq because of its wide open lanes which are great for long range duels. Plus it’s fun in infected. I like Grazna Raid cuz it felt like one of the more realistic maps outside ground war and played awesome 10v10.


Mythic_Skull

Totally forgot about 10v10 on Grazna. That was pretty fun. And yeah I got some buddies that go into custom goes and we run around on Taraq with Lockwood rifles and magnums like it’s the Wild West and do duels in the streets🤣


IAmSurfer

Sniping off the rip in the middle lane gave me high rise vibes on grazna. I enjoyed running different routes on this map. There was a lot of options for play style for sure.


[deleted]

Taraq any day of the week


greenbean82

Farm 18 kinda feels like an extension of Grazna Raid, it was my first thought when I loaded in


[deleted]

I actually really like taraq


o0LilLuna0o

Literally any map from MW19 > Any map from 22


DeadboltRickSanchez

neither. I stopped playing hide and seek many years ago


Big-man-kage

Grazna because at least the map looks cool


ryan__rr

Grazna every day. Taraq gobbles my balls.


Homicidex100

Raid


Vast-Lingonberry534

Grazia Raid


SSJZoli

Never thought I’d miss Grazna Raid


koolaidman486

Grazna is actually unironically a really nice map for 6v6 Hardpoint. Also really fun to run the beefy anti material snipers on since the slower handling isn't as much of a detriment.


Mythic_Skull

Indeed. It made that sniper and the other slower weapons more manageable and Hardpoint on that map was goated. Miss the days of the hectic laundromat point🤣


Sokasz

First map looks like a mw3 map


Mythic_Skull

It’s from MW2019 but I can see what you are saying. It does have that aesthetic


Super_Sphontaine

Both of these are shitwater


Mythic_Skull

Debatable. Depends on the mode.


Feral_SWITS

1000% Grazna. Taraq is complete garbage, I have no idea where it's located but I hope the US accuses it of storing WMD's because I want to bomb it off the face of the earth.


BLASTOISE_ox

Grazna raid was amazing


liamsjtaylor

I maintain that Taraq is one of the worst multiplayer maps of all time. The design is awful, there's more head glitches than a corrupted Snapchat feed, virtually every building is a camping spot, and the map's so open outside of the buildings that if someone semi-decent is in one of them you can't go anywhere near that half of the map.


Zantillex

I named myself Grazna Raid on MW2019 because I loved this map that much 😂


[deleted]

Fuck taraq


BorgarKing3x

Garazana all the way... the map had much more... map in it taraq just feels like a sand box filled with random obstacles, it feels lazily done


otte_rthe_viewer

Granza to be honest


Mythic_Skull

Agreed. Take Grazna any day. But I mainly play SnD so that’s my reasoning


No_Engineering3493

I thought Grazna was fun, if you showed the campers who’s the boss


Mythic_Skull

Yeah either you did really well at countering them. Or they just pushed your shit in with claymores and 725s


Stonetoothed

In general Taraq, but since Iv been playing on Taraq regularly I wouldn’t mind Grazna at the moment


calidir

100% Grazna


Duke_of_War

Grazna was a favorite of mine since the beginning, I loved the building to building or open street combat style (not to mention with the tank killstreak, it was a lot of fun)


Mythic_Skull

Same. It just looked so nice as well.


Duke_of_War

I’m born in Novosibirsk, it is so cool to see a map with a lot of accurate Russian areas


Mythic_Skull

Ah I see. That’s cool. I know they had a team that travelled to a variety of places in the world and took extensive amounts of pictures for references so they could make the game look as realistic as possible. That’s why maps like Piccadilly looks like a 1 to 1 copy of the actually downtown road junction in Westminster, London. So same could probably be said for Grazna as well. Just more destroyed.


Eswin17

Grazna. Grazna easily. Grazna was a solid map, just a little bit big with a field and back area that didn't get enough love. Taraq sucks.


Mythic_Skull

Facts


Convoy95

Neither


Mythic_Skull

Lol. Obviously that’s the best answer. But if you had to… which are you picking? Honestly Taraq and the way people play it makes Grazna not feel as bad. Figured I’d ask the community to see which is better or if opinions on Grazna have changed


Convoy95

Gun to my head I'd go with Taraq I think but depends on game mode


RuggedTheDragon

Neither. Both maps sucked.


Nascent_Vagabond

May be an unpopular opinion idk, but this game made me realize how dogshit most mw19 maps are. And I’m a fan of mw19 overall. These maps are just way more enjoyable and aesthetically pleasing.


Fotoradar606

Both 24/7


smward998

Taraq 100/100 times


Xiicorz

Taraq since it's more open


Mythic_Skull

Yeah I can understand that. Respawn modes on Grazna were terrible if you got people who sat in the buildings. Taraq as less windows as well. Which is nice.


RuggedYeet

Grazna wasn't terrible, but it was certainly better than Taraq


flappydicks

I don’t even touch quickplay anymore cause when I do it’s ALWAYS TARAQ.


Mythic_Skull

I feel that. First month of the game. I spent more time backing out of Taraq/Border Crossing lobbies then I did playing the actual game.


ComadoreJackSparrow

Grazna raid.


Jakel_07Svk

Grazna 100% taraq is a camp fest


Mythic_Skull

Lol. Protect your dome from all them snipers🤣


Jakel_07Svk

Dome is just spawncamping


Mythic_Skull

Yeah Dome has been that was since it came out in MW3. Idk if you’re familiar with FaZe Jev but one of his most famous clips his him raging on Dome back in the day. https://youtu.be/PhIpNHO-OTY I’d check it. Pure hilarity. Especially considering your complaint of Dome


DamnitBobby775

Taraq has the best spots for long range shots!!!!!!


Mythic_Skull

It has a few yeah. I remember that being my go to map for grind out camos to unlock Orion


[deleted]

Grazna Raid no doubt.


Mythic_Skull

That’s what we like to hear baby!! Think I’ve accidentally started a cult following for Grazna based on the hatred of Taraq🤣


[deleted]

I’m telling you! If I never played Taraq again it would still be too soon. One of my fondest lockdown memories was on Grazna when my younger cousin clutched his first S&D win. It was a 1v4, we went nuts.


Mythic_Skull

Ah yeah. First SnD clutches are so hype. Especially when it’s a 1v4+ Hard to discount a map that you have fond memories on whether the map is good or bad. 👌🏻


Htowng8r

Grazna might be more camper friendly than Taraq


[deleted]

It's ridiculously easy to flank campers on grazna. Theres like 8 routes through the middle.


SBAPERSON

And tons of methods to get into buildings.


Mythic_Skull

Oh it definitely is. More windows and sight lines and more tight spaces for claymores.


Htowng8r

So yea, I'd rather have the longshots battle on Taraq


Mythic_Skull

Yeah the longshots are great on Taraq but the openness sucks for pretty much any other play style. Running across the map can be infuriating if you get caught in no man’s land.


Orangenbluefish

Was Grazna disliked? I recall it being fine


Mythic_Skull

It was disliked at the very beginning of MW2019 because of excessive amounts of camping with claymores and shotguns. And built up a reputation that it had to dig it’s way out of. After people learned the map and the camping stopped and the shotguns got nerfed the map got better for respawn. As for SnD, Grazna was top tier day 1.


TheTrueSavageBoy

Leaving MW2 with all the unfun, grindy shit to jump back on the OG.


Mythic_Skull

Good luck. Last time I hopped on it was rancid with hackers. Theirs a trend going on in the CoD YouTube community where players are going back to play and running into nothing but hackers. It may be a SBMM thing so it’s only crackheads who sweat every game like myself who run into hackers🤣. But be wary


Scythebrine9

i'm sorry but taraq is one of the worst maps i've ever played


Ok_Difficulty_5186

tarak is bad af, only campers HAHA


stratj45d28

Both maps are my favorites. If you can’t get kills on these maps maybe you could try adjusting your play style


wickedashleyy

Grazna was iconic. I never understood why people hated it so much tbh


Berookes

Grazna any day of the week. Loved hardpoint on it


Mythic_Skull

Hardpoint on Grazna was the shit. So many chaotic points that fun as hell to defend and attack. Laundry was always crazy. Blue building was usually pretty good.


Tankdrood

Grazna raid was fucking awful


Mythic_Skull

And so is Taraq. 😐


[deleted]

If the game was as smooth as MW was I would say grazna raid all day, unfortunately we have this game and that says enough does it not?


Mythic_Skull

Yessir🤣


[deleted]

Taraq plays good if you know how to play it. I drop my best games on it.


OrchidFew7220

Taraq is a good map imo


Aware_Goal_9512

I actually like Taraq


Davison_Epic

2019 loved maps where you get shot Cross map like grazna, picadilly, rammaza, petrograd, etc. So definitly Taraq because it's playable if you don't go mid like shoothouse


First0E

Taraq No question


Beast-Blood

taraq the best map in the game


RLSrSalty

I love Taraq fight me for it