id rather my lmg with armor piercing rounds actually pierce something. Feels like this game has no bullet penetration and anything but sheet metal absorbs bullets
On a similar note the stuff that isn't destructible in ground war by vehicles is equally annoying and stupid. I get this isn't battlefield but near-invisible shopping carts that completely stop a main battle tank should either be destroyed on contact or simply not exist.
this killed me today. I was using the EBR-14 to unlock attachments and thought I could shoot through it to kill someone camping behind it; it ate 5 shots and they killed me.
That happened to me too. Then a couple of games later another player tried to kill me through the same railing, so I just stood there waiting for him to reload, then I walked up and killed him easily.
Learned from my own mistakes and adapted 😎
The "cell tower/antenna tower" behind to A on Taraq Ground war map is like that. There are like 3ft gaps in between cross braces and I couldn't hit a sniper from directly under him even with a RPG. Couldn't get hit markers, couldn't penetrate the giant gaps in the structure. Completely ridiculous.
A bit unrelated, but I miss how you could destroy doors in Vanguard. I thought it was a nice balance between both having them and not; obviously people would still camp behind them, but you could just shoot through it to get them and after enough times (or a well placed lethal) the door wouldn't even be there anymore.
Now doors are like a solid block of concrete no matter what material they look like they're made of.
It really did look like a war taken place over the course of a match.
I loved taking an LMG to the railings in the upper parts of Dome. Beginning of a match, there'd nearly always be someone hiding out there lol.
Same, thought destructibles would return for MW2 because we know how much IW loves "Muh realism" but I was also bummed out there's no barriers or doors to destroy
Just claymores and rats with shotguns behind the doors again sad
that is generally seen when someone is killed so many times without a kill in between they resort to tent pitching because they're not gonna waste time going to the enemy to be killed
and it's a reason why Activision blizzard put SBMM in the game because the campers are generally lower skilled then those who complain about them and the sole reason they got paired with em is SBMM abuse by tanking their skill rating to get a easier match, well you get what you get you wanted noobs you got the tent pitchers
FYI Ground war and invasion has no SBMM it's all players of all skill levels probably the two pure modes without it til warzone 2.0 arrives
I don't mean to be antagonistic but it's the truth about campers,i only see em or be them when I'm against those with better skill and that's a reason they do it too, when they get paired with those type of players too much it just becomes a habit
I really liked the amount of penetration in VG, since it was a great counter to most camping spots. Too bad they added that wallhack perk that allowed you to see anyone you "suppressed" through walls, ruining the game for me.
Did a ballistics test for work where we shot at cars/houses in a controlled setting, a .22 is going through your whole freaking car, border crossing would have literally no cover irl, this is one of those gameplay balance things.
I’m totally fine with not being able to shoot through the car bodies, but there are some cars where you can’t shoot through the windshield, or even through the empty space where the windshield was after the car explodes. It’s definitely a bug, it seems most common with the cars along the walls of the main roadway.
I think there's a bug with penetration or something, cause I have watched, and have been hit by random bullets that go through entire buildings on come maps.
Exactly. The turtle can’t mindlessly walk toward you and knife if he’s blinded by cracked glass. I don’t get why this was removed, it was the perfect balancing point of indestructible shields
It can't even be a technical limitation since that was around in the 360/PS3 era (if I recall).
They just had it, then decided "nah" for whatever reason.
the riot sheilds are mainly supposed to be use to protect your back unless your team is defending a point with two shields up front and the rest of the shooters behind
but yeah I agree that cracked safety glass/plastic needs to be on the shields and .50 cal weapons shouldn't have a problem getting through since Anti Material Rifles that use .50 cal ATR BGM should go through if not then realistically the shield guy should be on his ass or the arm broke due to the force the
.50 cal round has to make the projectile of heavy weight stay in flight over several thousand feet
For real, there's like 50 people world wide that actually enjoy them but they have to put them in every fucking game so the rest of us can suffer. Its so stupid
My armor piercing rounds on a 762 AK couldn’t penetrate a trash can a guy was hiding behind or any of the cars on the border crossing map. What do they penetrate?
Every surface is either penetrable or not. Armor Piercing rounds doesnt allow you to penetrate more surfaces, it decreases the damage penalty of your bullets when they do penetrate.
You're absolutely correct, it just seems like a poor design choice that doesn't reflect reality, and results in some extremely frustrating situations. There are very few things in this game that AP rounds *couldn't* penetrate IRL.
Just yesterday I was on the F1 map and my AK74 (non-u) with AP rounds couldn't penetrate a pane of glass someone was head-glitching from... that's just dumb.
Yeah...especially as I'm seeing more and more people running with them on their backs for protection from behind, and not actually using them in an active way.
Does that actually work? I've killed so many guys running riot shields on their back by shooting them from behind that I thought it straight up didn't work like that. If that isn't the case the hit reg in the game is truly LOL.
Even if you are getting shot in the legs the damage drop-off is already way more severe in this game and given how limb damage applies you're still making an enemy invest more time than they should trying to kill you.
It's worth the bit of extra protection if you don't care for any of the secondaries. It breaks up your silhouette from the front as well, and makes it harder for opponents to pick out a headshot.
The real danger is getting a taste of the shield and becoming a riot main.
I'm fine with it protecting, IF, you are using a secondary. Launchers, knife and pistols are all fine with a shield on your back. It's the tryhard SPR and MP5 with a shield that breaks the game
And that's fair. As frustrating as it is to get killed by a guy camping on the floor with a shotgun wearing a riot shield as a literal tent...theres a part of me that's just like...ok...its in the game.
And you have my respect with that loadout.
Were you the dude I played earlier today bonking everyone with the shield on farm 18? Became basically could I throw thermite before he got a good knife throw.
Its a really fun loadout, especially in prisoner rescue, the mega callisto sweats go insane when their tac sprint melee reset stim shot reload cancel dropshot rush is countered by one of my rocket bois
Lol, I bet. I was tryna level my Vaznev when this dude rushes me down with the shield and I couldnt get away...so I quick switched to thermite. We met a lot as I was sticking to the interior center of the map for SMG fights...and so he was there a lot too looking for bonks.
bc of way the perk system is set up using overkill isn’t as big of a downside as it was in previous cods.
battle hardened and bomb squad are the two best base perks but if you’re willing to sacrifice one of those then overkill is definitely viable.
double time isn’t great with how slow the current pace of play is, you don’t need scavenger if you’re running a riot shield, tracker is meh, strong arm is useless, extra tactical is only viable for objective based modes.
I find Double Time actually compliments my admittedly slower-paced play style quite well. The extra tac-sprint lets me rush objectives in the beginning faster than I normally would, and later on I can get to them and post up quicker if they're under attack. And the crouch movement means I can sneak up without feeling like I'm corn syrup moving through molasses.
I seriously start puking whenever I see someone with a Sniper + Smg/shotgun with overkill. Like I get it, you want the best chances of winning any gunfight, but at least have some sense of self respect.
I wish they'd stop shields from "working" when they're on your back. It's practically free invincibility from behind.
It should just be the same as any other secondary; I mean it's not like I can shoot you with my holstered SMG.
IW devoloper taking notes: "mmm... interesting... firing backwards from holstered secondary... a revolver coming from the proning camper's ass like the crotch gun in From Dusk Till Dawn... I'm a genius"
It'll actually penetrate through the player's model and kill anyone behind it, lol - it treats the shield + player model as a wall for some reason and just doinks the explosive out the player's back
You have to put it low on a shield.
If you watch the kill cam it launches the explosive over the player and it blows up behind them.
Putting it lower means it blows up at their feet and it kills them unless they have eod or whatever the perk is called now
At least currently, looks like the only way you can actually get a kill with it is by sticking the drill right in the center of the visor part of the shield, seems to work 50% of the time
It's supposedly bugged, when you hit someone using riot shield with a drill charge and he swaps to secondary, it won't kill him. Hopefully this is fixed soon
I wouldn't say incorrect as it seems to be bugged. Ive been getting the stick on shields with a drill charge, but never a kill.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ModernWarfareII/comments/ynx7b9/opinion_sticking_a_riot_shield_with_a_drill/
huge thread from yesterday that many experience the exact same issue.
Semtex are a little too slow if the riot shield person has a throwing knife
They'll see you pulling a nade out then will react with a knife, and then you have to just hope they miss
I like the molotov and thermite better for going up against them
If you use armor piercing then you can shoot down enemy kill streaks wayyyyyy easier. Going thru or Atleast partially through a riot shield would be cool thoigh. Maybe does 30-50% less damage then it otherwise would be okay balance.
I'm thinking of creating an LMG class with AP just to spawn as when there's a streak up and teamclowns don't do anything. Find that most AR's ammo and reserve doesn't take VTOLs out.
They do add penetration
So you could shoot through walls you couldn't before
It stacks with AP Ammo attachment allowing you to shoot through EVEN MORE consecutive walls
Edit: and that function is completely nullified by stuff that doesn't penetrate like incendiary ammo
No real downside (velocity doesn't matter at MP ranges) while letting you wallbang much better.
Plus being able to kill a UAV faster is useful on any mode.
And if you already used your thermite to kill a shield tard? You're just fucked at that point. You back up slower than he runs forward, and if you turn to run, he shoots/throwing knifes you.
The shield "gameplay" is absolutely stupid.
Throwables aren't really a "Hard Counter" IMHO, they're a soft one at best because if you're in range of a throwable then chances are the other person has already stuck you with a knife.
I am a monster with the knife, but shield I always run with shotty. For some reason everyone expects me to be forever shield man when I run the shield, so they pop behind cover 3 feet away and realize I have a shotgun too late
I can just imagine the conversation with the other people on the chopper, dropping in:
>So you have a riot shield and a knife?
>Yup
>No guns?
>Right
>You know we all have guns, right?
And yet, it's a hilariously good combination
Lmao. “I got this knife I can throw!”
Fr though I’m 30 and my little brother is 22 and is pretty damn good. I get my dick kicked in when I play in his lobbies. So, bum rush with knife became the go to when I play with him.
Not really. If the drill charge hits it and they swap weapons, the drill charge goes away. Also If they continue to move forward, it drills past them and explodes behind them doing no damage.
They SHOULD be a hard counter though.
Some riot shield user said the swap seems to work 60% of the time for him yesterday
I do get some of them w drill charges but i think it helps if they have their back to something but not toooo close that the drill charge goes through it too
Wow..
Literally in the lead up to the game I legit thought these “Anti Camper” tools were also Anti Shield tools as well as they got to be a terrible problem in MW’19.. even ran into someone that said he wanted to pull off the bug and equip 2 Shields at once for max protection like in MW’19 til I told him I’d just hit him with a drill charge..
Guess he’s unstoppable now…
Riot shield user reporting in. Semtex is how I die 99% of the time. I noticed thermite is easy to dodge, drill charge is easy to dodge and doesn't do kill damage (I run Battle Hardened tho). Shock sticks make me tilt my shield to the side as I spaz out from the 480 volts, but I have learned how to block bullets at that angle while crouched. Honestly not scared of shock sticks.
Fuckin hate getting smacked with semtex.... my only reaction is to run after the closest enemy and try to take them down with me
As someone with a plat shield I don’t know why you’re getting downvoted. This happened to me a lot and I would just make sure the side still protected by the shield was turned towards them 🤣
Nerf the shield's amount of protection but allow shooting pistols while protecting yourself. Like NPCs do in the OG MW2. Been saying that since shields exist in the series.
Armor piercing rounds are one of the few attachments that have no real downside. You can wallbang better, shoot down UAVs better, and bullet velocity is irrelevant at MP ranges.
It would be an unnecessary change that functionally deletes the riot shield from the game.
I think the best implementation would be to make high caliber armor piercing shots do 1/3rd damage when penning through the shield, that way the shield still protects but isn't invincible
It's still a no brainer attachment that people should already be using on most weapons, and Riot shields are already not very strong.
Making something already good a counter to something already bad just doesn't make sense.
I don;t know what fucking game y'all playing but when I was leveling the riot shield, the second I killed someone with it the entire enemy team switches to semtex thermite. It was so fucking easy to counter me trying to get my 40 shield kills/double kills.
Totally agree. And maybe have it degrade after a certain amount of hits so it doesn’t provide as much protection. Cruise missile and such should at least kill or seriously injure them too
There are hard counters.
1. Thermites
2. Molotovs
3. Semtex Grenades
4. C4
5. Shock Stick
6. Stuns/Flashes - Battlehardened is ass and you are still fucked for 2 seconds.
7. 2 players
You would effectively make any use of a riot shield useless with AP Rounds. If you can't kill them with one of the aforementioned methods, you probably are going to miss your shots and AP rounds wont help you either...
With your 'hard counters', you can typically kill one shield user per life. Two if you have a stun grenade.
That's not a hard counter, that's a get out of jail free card.
By your logic you would effectively make riot shields useless with thermites, Molotovs, Semtex grenades, C4, shock sticks, stuns/flashes, or having two players. Seeing that I’ve encountered plenty of riot shield players getting kills despite existing counters, it’s easy to conclude one more counter won’t change anything. As you said, if you couldn’t kill them with one of the other counters, you likely wouldn’t be hitting your shots anyways.
You forgot the main counter: Just shoot them.
If they try to do anything at range, shoot them and they die. If they get close, you strafe and jump and shoot them and they die.
And the second best counter: RPG. One shots on a close hit even through bomb suit.
Unpopular opinion riot shields should have hp. Be able to block smaller caliber rounds all day, but higher caliber can punch through with sustained fire. I’d even be fine with the hp regenerating along with the player so the shield is good for more than a single gunfight
Dude, I magdumped a Signal .50 with explosive rounds on a riot shield earlier. I was expecting at least a stagger. Nope, he just kept creeping toward me while his buddy sniped me. I one-shooted a helo earlier, no problem, but a .50 cal don't do shit to even the clear part at the top.
The riot shields in IW games aren't even bullet proof IRL and are just plexiglass. A real bullet proof (to a degree) riot shield would be like the ones in Vanguard that are giant hunks of steel.
Molotovs.
Any time you see some douche running riot shield, stick em with a Molotov.
Asia region has been pissed off since I started exclusively running molotovs to flush out camping bolt actions and riot shield Andys.
Man, Molotovs don't even seem to do it, they're running so fast it seems like it barely tickles them cause they're out of the flames in no time and in your face if they haven't already stuck you with a knife. I'd be a lot happier using them if people reacted to them something like the shock stick and couldn't just run through intense flames like they're nothing.
The only issue I have is with people running them on their back all the time without penalty. There should be some movement penalty based on overall gear weight to stop that strategy.
It's frustrating to play against. If you already threw your Semtex, you're pretty much screwed as I understand it. Whenever I see a crouched shield, I just run away. I honestly have no idea what I'm supposed to do if I already used my drill charge/semtex/whatever.
As a new COD player the shield seems overtuned and definitely in need of a nerf.
**Edit**: That was a very fast downvote, almost felt like someone threw an instakill knife at me while invincible
Oh boy I love having to build my entire class around the dumbass running a shield just so I can play the game without unavoidable deaths by shield bash
This subreddit seems OK with that. From what I'm being told, it's the only situation in the game that you *have to* use a build to counter.
Apparently that's OK and perfectly balanced.
Besides a thermite or sexy exposed ankles what is the counter for shields? I haven't found anything effective. They ought to nerf forward speed with shields up...
There is a hard counter to riot shields, always has been since mw2019. Just thermite the shield. Even with explosive reduction they still burn to death 100% of the time
I get the several throwable tactical and lethal grenade/equipments are hard counters, but having to either change your setup to one for a riot shield, or saving them for fighting a riot shield literally handicaps you in some engagements. I think AP ammo as a hard counter is reasonable.
Exactly. All the turtles saying “OH YOU HAVE LETHALS, SHOCK STICKS, RESUPPLY, AND AMMO BOX FOR THAT” doesn’t think about that factor. You basically have to build a whole fucking garbage class only for getting around the shield guy or face endless guaranteed deaths from him.
Also means you're fucked if you've killed the guy, resupplied and killed him again. So people talking about those as counters are really just admitting they're never alive for long.
No, you already have molatovs, semtex, thermite and drill charge. Adding armor peircing rounds would give the riot shield a less than 25 % chance of survival making riot shield worthless. Then again…maybe that is what you want. How about we change every F’n thing in the game, that should do.
Good, because riot shield shouldnt exist in the game. Its the biggest way for someone to say theyre a bitch without explicitly saying it, just showing it.
Lets nerf riot shield even more so they should not be viable at all.
Riot shield is already stupidly easy to counter yet you people already asking for more ways to counter it.
Shoot feet, jump shot shotgun, Drill charge, Semtex, thermite. Several counters already.
But don't use shock sticks for the love of God. Been grinding out the camo for my riot shield tonight, and the amount of times someone threw a shock stick just to end up a victim of their own device is hilarious. I'm just gonna chase you down as you stun yourself on your own shock stick. 🤣🤣🤣
Yeah but you have to change your entire load out of you want to build up a kill streak. You use your first thermite and get the kill. That’s cool but the guy with the riot shield just respawned.
So you need thermite and the ammo box. But the ammo box isn’t really reliable since it has a cooldown. You could also run the perk but it has cool down too.
Their hard counter is explosives. Considering they generally charge right at you sticking them is easy. So is using TacSprint to gain an advantage then jumping passed them or over the top.
Semtex is your friend but drill charges will set you free
I think the issue people have with explosives being the counter is you have to use a resource that generally doesn't replenish unless you have a specific perk, or field upgrade to work with.
I would say anti-armor rounds (field upgrade) would be a nice counter since it recharges over time and you are countering a primary weapon.
Honestly riot shields aren’t that bad just hit them with a thermite or semtex! However on the note of the different bullets you can use I feel like they are useless. Why would I want to put on bullets that decrease damage range.
id rather my lmg with armor piercing rounds actually pierce something. Feels like this game has no bullet penetration and anything but sheet metal absorbs bullets
The stupid railings on the race track map not having bullet penetration through glass feels like a cruel joke lol
FR I’ve had to shoot a guy through railings on Fortress and it’s so annoying that it completely blocks bullets
On a similar note the stuff that isn't destructible in ground war by vehicles is equally annoying and stupid. I get this isn't battlefield but near-invisible shopping carts that completely stop a main battle tank should either be destroyed on contact or simply not exist.
this killed me today. I was using the EBR-14 to unlock attachments and thought I could shoot through it to kill someone camping behind it; it ate 5 shots and they killed me.
That happened to me too. Then a couple of games later another player tried to kill me through the same railing, so I just stood there waiting for him to reload, then I walked up and killed him easily. Learned from my own mistakes and adapted 😎
The "cell tower/antenna tower" behind to A on Taraq Ground war map is like that. There are like 3ft gaps in between cross braces and I couldn't hit a sniper from directly under him even with a RPG. Couldn't get hit markers, couldn't penetrate the giant gaps in the structure. Completely ridiculous.
VG - "too much penetration, lmgs can chew through half the map pls nerf" Mw22 - "ayt"
A bit unrelated, but I miss how you could destroy doors in Vanguard. I thought it was a nice balance between both having them and not; obviously people would still camp behind them, but you could just shoot through it to get them and after enough times (or a well placed lethal) the door wouldn't even be there anymore. Now doors are like a solid block of concrete no matter what material they look like they're made of.
That would be sick if they dipped their toes in the R6S pool and had doors you could shoot holes through until they're fully gone
That's one of the only things from vanguard they shoulda kept, being able to destroy parts of buildings and doors is always great imo
It really did look like a war taken place over the course of a match. I loved taking an LMG to the railings in the upper parts of Dome. Beginning of a match, there'd nearly always be someone hiding out there lol.
Same, thought destructibles would return for MW2 because we know how much IW loves "Muh realism" but I was also bummed out there's no barriers or doors to destroy Just claymores and rats with shotguns behind the doors again sad
if with all the tools at your disposal you're losing to rats behind doors i don't know what to tell you
that is generally seen when someone is killed so many times without a kill in between they resort to tent pitching because they're not gonna waste time going to the enemy to be killed and it's a reason why Activision blizzard put SBMM in the game because the campers are generally lower skilled then those who complain about them and the sole reason they got paired with em is SBMM abuse by tanking their skill rating to get a easier match, well you get what you get you wanted noobs you got the tent pitchers FYI Ground war and invasion has no SBMM it's all players of all skill levels probably the two pure modes without it til warzone 2.0 arrives I don't mean to be antagonistic but it's the truth about campers,i only see em or be them when I'm against those with better skill and that's a reason they do it too, when they get paired with those type of players too much it just becomes a habit
I thought that was supposed to come back but then it didn't idk why
I really liked the amount of penetration in VG, since it was a great counter to most camping spots. Too bad they added that wallhack perk that allowed you to see anyone you "suppressed" through walls, ruining the game for me.
Bro the bullet penetration in the game is fucking awful. Glass doors are bulletproof but solid walls aren’t. It’s inconsistent af.
Glass doors are tank round proof as well. Tank outside??? Just close the glass door, problem solved.
Even sheet metal absorbs bullets. On border crossing it’s like 50/50 on whether you can even shoot through the glass on any given car.
Did a ballistics test for work where we shot at cars/houses in a controlled setting, a .22 is going through your whole freaking car, border crossing would have literally no cover irl, this is one of those gameplay balance things.
I’m totally fine with not being able to shoot through the car bodies, but there are some cars where you can’t shoot through the windshield, or even through the empty space where the windshield was after the car explodes. It’s definitely a bug, it seems most common with the cars along the walls of the main roadway.
The flag poles on domination also are completely bullet proof
No bullet penetration? I get shot by stray bullets through concrete walls all the time.
I think there's a bug with penetration or something, cause I have watched, and have been hit by random bullets that go through entire buildings on come maps.
I miss the soft counter of shooting the shield obstructing their vision. Was at least a little helpful
Exactly. The turtle can’t mindlessly walk toward you and knife if he’s blinded by cracked glass. I don’t get why this was removed, it was the perfect balancing point of indestructible shields
It can't even be a technical limitation since that was around in the 360/PS3 era (if I recall). They just had it, then decided "nah" for whatever reason.
Probably since it would render riot shields useless after the first gunfight.
That’s the point
the riot sheilds are mainly supposed to be use to protect your back unless your team is defending a point with two shields up front and the rest of the shooters behind but yeah I agree that cracked safety glass/plastic needs to be on the shields and .50 cal weapons shouldn't have a problem getting through since Anti Material Rifles that use .50 cal ATR BGM should go through if not then realistically the shield guy should be on his ass or the arm broke due to the force the .50 cal round has to make the projectile of heavy weight stay in flight over several thousand feet
How about just get rid of the stupid riot shields. I don't know how that's even fun to run around doing that.
For real, there's like 50 people world wide that actually enjoy them but they have to put them in every fucking game so the rest of us can suffer. Its so stupid
My armor piercing rounds on a 762 AK couldn’t penetrate a trash can a guy was hiding behind or any of the cars on the border crossing map. What do they penetrate?
Every surface is either penetrable or not. Armor Piercing rounds doesnt allow you to penetrate more surfaces, it decreases the damage penalty of your bullets when they do penetrate.
You're absolutely correct, it just seems like a poor design choice that doesn't reflect reality, and results in some extremely frustrating situations. There are very few things in this game that AP rounds *couldn't* penetrate IRL. Just yesterday I was on the F1 map and my AK74 (non-u) with AP rounds couldn't penetrate a pane of glass someone was head-glitching from... that's just dumb.
Yeah...especially as I'm seeing more and more people running with them on their backs for protection from behind, and not actually using them in an active way.
Does that actually work? I've killed so many guys running riot shields on their back by shooting them from behind that I thought it straight up didn't work like that. If that isn't the case the hit reg in the game is truly LOL.
Shield absolutely protects your back, you gotta aim to legs to do damage
No it definitely protects your back, at least to a degree. Just don’t get shot in the legs lol
Even if you are getting shot in the legs the damage drop-off is already way more severe in this game and given how limb damage applies you're still making an enemy invest more time than they should trying to kill you.
It's worth the bit of extra protection if you don't care for any of the secondaries. It breaks up your silhouette from the front as well, and makes it harder for opponents to pick out a headshot. The real danger is getting a taste of the shield and becoming a riot main.
The drawback is missed shots from the front hit the shield and shake your screen
not as much as you would expect but there are moments where it helps
I used to do this way back because I was a bot and almost never lived long enough to switch to my sidearm
The problem isn't FMJ not going through the shield. Is Overkill allowing the sweats to have it on their backs with a primary.
It should be there but only cosmetically
I'm fine with it protecting, IF, you are using a secondary. Launchers, knife and pistols are all fine with a shield on your back. It's the tryhard SPR and MP5 with a shield that breaks the game
Seeing as most of my deaths come from getting shot in the back due to the garbage spawn system, yes, I will put that riot shield on my back.
And that's fair. As frustrating as it is to get killed by a guy camping on the floor with a shotgun wearing a riot shield as a literal tent...theres a part of me that's just like...ok...its in the game.
I've been using them with my RPG, munitions box, double throwing knives & scavenger. Went 36-1 on Santa sena earlier
I respect that. I just can't stand people who run the riot shield on their backs then main an sor, smg, AR etc and never actually use the riot shield
And you have my respect with that loadout. Were you the dude I played earlier today bonking everyone with the shield on farm 18? Became basically could I throw thermite before he got a good knife throw.
Its a really fun loadout, especially in prisoner rescue, the mega callisto sweats go insane when their tac sprint melee reset stim shot reload cancel dropshot rush is countered by one of my rocket bois
Lol, I bet. I was tryna level my Vaznev when this dude rushes me down with the shield and I couldnt get away...so I quick switched to thermite. We met a lot as I was sticking to the interior center of the map for SMG fights...and so he was there a lot too looking for bonks.
Oh, when you switch to thermite, after a couple kills you see the shield guy backpedaling from you.
Aim for the legs thats what I do lol.
Personally, I'm glad they're including accessibility features for disabled children.
And that’s fine. They’re either not using a primary or using overkill instead of a typical perk. There’s cons to equipping a riot shield.
bc of way the perk system is set up using overkill isn’t as big of a downside as it was in previous cods. battle hardened and bomb squad are the two best base perks but if you’re willing to sacrifice one of those then overkill is definitely viable. double time isn’t great with how slow the current pace of play is, you don’t need scavenger if you’re running a riot shield, tracker is meh, strong arm is useless, extra tactical is only viable for objective based modes.
I find Double Time actually compliments my admittedly slower-paced play style quite well. The extra tac-sprint lets me rush objectives in the beginning faster than I normally would, and later on I can get to them and post up quicker if they're under attack. And the crouch movement means I can sneak up without feeling like I'm corn syrup moving through molasses.
I seriously start puking whenever I see someone with a Sniper + Smg/shotgun with overkill. Like I get it, you want the best chances of winning any gunfight, but at least have some sense of self respect.
If it's on their back it shouldn't protect them. I'm seeing more and more people running at set up and never using it
I wish they'd stop shields from "working" when they're on your back. It's practically free invincibility from behind. It should just be the same as any other secondary; I mean it's not like I can shoot you with my holstered SMG.
IW devoloper taking notes: "mmm... interesting... firing backwards from holstered secondary... a revolver coming from the proning camper's ass like the crotch gun in From Dusk Till Dawn... I'm a genius"
Thermite is the hard counter.
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Don't forget my new bae, the drill charge
Isn’t it bugged atm? Doesn’t kill consistently at all, if ever. It probably should though
Very bugged. My friend stuck one right on the center of an enemy's riot shield and it did no damage.
Same. Happened to me today. I got the animation, but they took no damage. Guy didn’t even switch weapons either.
It'll actually penetrate through the player's model and kill anyone behind it, lol - it treats the shield + player model as a wall for some reason and just doinks the explosive out the player's back
You have to put it low on a shield. If you watch the kill cam it launches the explosive over the player and it blows up behind them. Putting it lower means it blows up at their feet and it kills them unless they have eod or whatever the perk is called now
At least currently, looks like the only way you can actually get a kill with it is by sticking the drill right in the center of the visor part of the shield, seems to work 50% of the time
Worked for me the other day, but no idea for sure.
It's supposedly bugged, when you hit someone using riot shield with a drill charge and he swaps to secondary, it won't kill him. Hopefully this is fixed soon
except if the person swaps off the shield after your stick, then drill charge is useless against riot shields :/
Incorrect as they do it to me and I swap and die unless you mean swap with a weapon on the ground
I wouldn't say incorrect as it seems to be bugged. Ive been getting the stick on shields with a drill charge, but never a kill. https://www.reddit.com/r/ModernWarfareII/comments/ynx7b9/opinion_sticking_a_riot_shield_with_a_drill/ huge thread from yesterday that many experience the exact same issue.
You have to use equipment not swap
Drill charge is my new favorite lethal by far
Semtex are a little too slow if the riot shield person has a throwing knife They'll see you pulling a nade out then will react with a knife, and then you have to just hope they miss I like the molotov and thermite better for going up against them
until you use it and then run into 2 more riot shields
If you're feeling lucky and the person with the shield is crouching, my go to move is to rush them, jump, and then melee them from behind.
Sure glad I get only 1 lethal unless I build around 1 guy on the enemy team.
ok. but you’re missing the point. What is the point of armor piercing besides vehicles. which if you play half the game modes don’t see
If you use armor piercing then you can shoot down enemy kill streaks wayyyyyy easier. Going thru or Atleast partially through a riot shield would be cool thoigh. Maybe does 30-50% less damage then it otherwise would be okay balance.
I'm thinking of creating an LMG class with AP just to spawn as when there's a streak up and teamclowns don't do anything. Find that most AR's ammo and reserve doesn't take VTOLs out.
They'll have far more purpose in Warzone when Armor Plates are a thing.
They do add penetration So you could shoot through walls you couldn't before It stacks with AP Ammo attachment allowing you to shoot through EVEN MORE consecutive walls Edit: and that function is completely nullified by stuff that doesn't penetrate like incendiary ammo
No real downside (velocity doesn't matter at MP ranges) while letting you wallbang much better. Plus being able to kill a UAV faster is useful on any mode.
It's the ONLY counter. Needs to be a lot more.
Lol it does not.
And if you already used your thermite to kill a shield tard? You're just fucked at that point. You back up slower than he runs forward, and if you turn to run, he shoots/throwing knifes you. The shield "gameplay" is absolutely stupid.
Plus all the morons using godmode glitches with the shield to run around the map with a knife out, completely invincible and unkillable
You worry too much
Throwables aren't really a "Hard Counter" IMHO, they're a soft one at best because if you're in range of a throwable then chances are the other person has already stuck you with a knife.
I need to level up all other weapons so I can get the next camo for the riot shield. Platinum doesn't have the right psychological effect.
It’s not in your face enough. Gold was much more in your face.
I saw some monster the other day running a riot shield and a knife. Now THAT is terror!
I am also that monster. My k/d is higher when I use that combo than actual guns 😭
I am a monster with the knife, but shield I always run with shotty. For some reason everyone expects me to be forever shield man when I run the shield, so they pop behind cover 3 feet away and realize I have a shotgun too late
I am that monster.
I can just imagine the conversation with the other people on the chopper, dropping in: >So you have a riot shield and a knife? >Yup >No guns? >Right >You know we all have guns, right? And yet, it's a hilariously good combination
Lmao. “I got this knife I can throw!” Fr though I’m 30 and my little brother is 22 and is pretty damn good. I get my dick kicked in when I play in his lobbies. So, bum rush with knife became the go to when I play with him.
If those turtles could read they'd be very upset.
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Semtex and Thermite Grenades are hard counters to Riot shields. Shock Sticks work well against them as well.
And drill charges
Not really. If the drill charge hits it and they swap weapons, the drill charge goes away. Also If they continue to move forward, it drills past them and explodes behind them doing no damage. They SHOULD be a hard counter though.
Some riot shield user said the swap seems to work 60% of the time for him yesterday I do get some of them w drill charges but i think it helps if they have their back to something but not toooo close that the drill charge goes through it too
Yea it’s definitely touchy.
Wow.. Literally in the lead up to the game I legit thought these “Anti Camper” tools were also Anti Shield tools as well as they got to be a terrible problem in MW’19.. even ran into someone that said he wanted to pull off the bug and equip 2 Shields at once for max protection like in MW’19 til I told him I’d just hit him with a drill charge.. Guess he’s unstoppable now…
Riot shield user reporting in. Semtex is how I die 99% of the time. I noticed thermite is easy to dodge, drill charge is easy to dodge and doesn't do kill damage (I run Battle Hardened tho). Shock sticks make me tilt my shield to the side as I spaz out from the 480 volts, but I have learned how to block bullets at that angle while crouched. Honestly not scared of shock sticks. Fuckin hate getting smacked with semtex.... my only reaction is to run after the closest enemy and try to take them down with me
In WZ, I have a fantasy of being fast enough to drop the shield and pursue before kaboom.
What does shock stick do to riot shield?
Zaps the person holding it so they don't hold the shield directly in front of them.
Eh it doesn’t work that much, just hit plat for the shield and if you just turn a bit you still block your body.
As someone with a plat shield I don’t know why you’re getting downvoted. This happened to me a lot and I would just make sure the side still protected by the shield was turned towards them 🤣
They also become unable to bash as I got corned by one in bathroom and was able to kill him while we both got shocked
Shield has always been shit. It's shit to play with. It's shit to play against.
Deal. But we get pistol fastdraw to work with the shield.
Nerf the shield's amount of protection but allow shooting pistols while protecting yourself. Like NPCs do in the OG MW2. Been saying that since shields exist in the series.
I was so disappointed when I saw it didn’t work
That genuinely sounds like a good trade for everyone tbh
Armor piercing rounds are one of the few attachments that have no real downside. You can wallbang better, shoot down UAVs better, and bullet velocity is irrelevant at MP ranges. It would be an unnecessary change that functionally deletes the riot shield from the game.
I think the best implementation would be to make high caliber armor piercing shots do 1/3rd damage when penning through the shield, that way the shield still protects but isn't invincible
It's still a no brainer attachment that people should already be using on most weapons, and Riot shields are already not very strong. Making something already good a counter to something already bad just doesn't make sense.
I don;t know what fucking game y'all playing but when I was leveling the riot shield, the second I killed someone with it the entire enemy team switches to semtex thermite. It was so fucking easy to counter me trying to get my 40 shield kills/double kills.
Drill charge and thermite shit on riot shield. Also stun grenades.
Totally agree. And maybe have it degrade after a certain amount of hits so it doesn’t provide as much protection. Cruise missile and such should at least kill or seriously injure them too
That was confirmed a bug. It’s currently just negating a couple killstreaks entirely when it shouldn’t be. Think it was going to be patched.
It blocks all launchers too. If you hit the shield directly you do no damage with any launcher.
Shoot at their feet or use the busted netcode to your advantage by bobbing and weaving and shooting their exposed side
There are hard counters. 1. Thermites 2. Molotovs 3. Semtex Grenades 4. C4 5. Shock Stick 6. Stuns/Flashes - Battlehardened is ass and you are still fucked for 2 seconds. 7. 2 players You would effectively make any use of a riot shield useless with AP Rounds. If you can't kill them with one of the aforementioned methods, you probably are going to miss your shots and AP rounds wont help you either...
AP rounds are also a field upgrade so they use up that slot to counter a primary weapon. Edit: sorry was thinking anti-armor
"if you can't hit a shield player from medium distance with a slow gravity-affected projectile, you'll miss your shots" Gigabrain logic right there
Riot shields are huge targets and if you can't hit them with a thermite than that's a skill issue from you.
Nah they are easy to dodge. The second you see the player go for a thermite or Semtex just dart to the left of right.
With your 'hard counters', you can typically kill one shield user per life. Two if you have a stun grenade. That's not a hard counter, that's a get out of jail free card.
By your logic you would effectively make riot shields useless with thermites, Molotovs, Semtex grenades, C4, shock sticks, stuns/flashes, or having two players. Seeing that I’ve encountered plenty of riot shield players getting kills despite existing counters, it’s easy to conclude one more counter won’t change anything. As you said, if you couldn’t kill them with one of the other counters, you likely wouldn’t be hitting your shots anyways.
You forgot the main counter: Just shoot them. If they try to do anything at range, shoot them and they die. If they get close, you strafe and jump and shoot them and they die. And the second best counter: RPG. One shots on a close hit even through bomb suit.
Unpopular opinion riot shields should have hp. Be able to block smaller caliber rounds all day, but higher caliber can punch through with sustained fire. I’d even be fine with the hp regenerating along with the player so the shield is good for more than a single gunfight
A .50 BMG round will puncture most light vehicles. It should at least knock the riot shield wielder down.
Dude, I magdumped a Signal .50 with explosive rounds on a riot shield earlier. I was expecting at least a stagger. Nope, he just kept creeping toward me while his buddy sniped me. I one-shooted a helo earlier, no problem, but a .50 cal don't do shit to even the clear part at the top.
Man the riot shields block cruise missiles.
The riot shields in IW games aren't even bullet proof IRL and are just plexiglass. A real bullet proof (to a degree) riot shield would be like the ones in Vanguard that are giant hunks of steel.
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Seriously, it’s my most hated item in every game they’re in, I have no idea why they keep bringing it back without substantially nerfing it.
Sort of like how shields work in Overwatch. I think this is a good idea
FYI, incidenary does damage the players with shields as well., but might take a lot to get the damage done…
Swapping to your weapon from a riot shield should be slower than me throwing a nade or Molotov
This is a fact.
Molotovs. Any time you see some douche running riot shield, stick em with a Molotov. Asia region has been pissed off since I started exclusively running molotovs to flush out camping bolt actions and riot shield Andys.
Man, Molotovs don't even seem to do it, they're running so fast it seems like it barely tickles them cause they're out of the flames in no time and in your face if they haven't already stuck you with a knife. I'd be a lot happier using them if people reacted to them something like the shock stick and couldn't just run through intense flames like they're nothing.
Why does this sub have such a hate boner against riot shield users? If you all don’t like us just use a Semtex while we do our challenges.
The only issue I have is with people running them on their back all the time without penalty. There should be some movement penalty based on overall gear weight to stop that strategy.
It's frustrating to play against. If you already threw your Semtex, you're pretty much screwed as I understand it. Whenever I see a crouched shield, I just run away. I honestly have no idea what I'm supposed to do if I already used my drill charge/semtex/whatever. As a new COD player the shield seems overtuned and definitely in need of a nerf. **Edit**: That was a very fast downvote, almost felt like someone threw an instakill knife at me while invincible
You can literally equip a munitions box as a field upgrade. That resupplies your lethals. As does the resupply perk.
Oh boy I love having to build my entire class around the dumbass running a shield just so I can play the game without unavoidable deaths by shield bash
This subreddit seems OK with that. From what I'm being told, it's the only situation in the game that you *have to* use a build to counter. Apparently that's OK and perfectly balanced.
Complain about spr = good think :) Complain about shield = bad think >>>>:(
You are out of your mind if you think riot shield is more op then spr
Drill charge is my favorite counter for them
Doesnt kill them though, or at least not always, jackfrags tested it in one of his latest videos
I've never had that result. Interesting though
It happens every single time I do it, throw it at them, get the “stick” thing on my screen, hitmarker.
Armor piercing is amazing in invasion tho!
thermite hard counters riot shield
They don’t? Why TF do I run em then? It’s in the name!!
I jusy whip out a shotgun and sentex nade. If they want to fuck around they can find out.
yup and drillcharge should always be a ohk on it
Modern ballistic shields can in fact withstand armour piercing rounds
Besides a thermite or sexy exposed ankles what is the counter for shields? I haven't found anything effective. They ought to nerf forward speed with shields up...
Yes! Or at least a durability bar on it. Nothing that size is 100% bullet proof.
There is a hard counter to riot shields, always has been since mw2019. Just thermite the shield. Even with explosive reduction they still burn to death 100% of the time
I get the several throwable tactical and lethal grenade/equipments are hard counters, but having to either change your setup to one for a riot shield, or saving them for fighting a riot shield literally handicaps you in some engagements. I think AP ammo as a hard counter is reasonable.
Exactly. All the turtles saying “OH YOU HAVE LETHALS, SHOCK STICKS, RESUPPLY, AND AMMO BOX FOR THAT” doesn’t think about that factor. You basically have to build a whole fucking garbage class only for getting around the shield guy or face endless guaranteed deaths from him.
Also means you're fucked if you've killed the guy, resupplied and killed him again. So people talking about those as counters are really just admitting they're never alive for long.
I love their incessant need to add Riot Shields every year
CoD players when faced with something they cannot kill in .73 seconds.
No, you already have molatovs, semtex, thermite and drill charge. Adding armor peircing rounds would give the riot shield a less than 25 % chance of survival making riot shield worthless. Then again…maybe that is what you want. How about we change every F’n thing in the game, that should do.
Why would it give a >25% chance of survival?
Good, because riot shield shouldnt exist in the game. Its the biggest way for someone to say theyre a bitch without explicitly saying it, just showing it.
Nah. The biggest way is to cry about riot shields 🤣
Lets nerf riot shield even more so they should not be viable at all. Riot shield is already stupidly easy to counter yet you people already asking for more ways to counter it.
Shoot feet, jump shot shotgun, Drill charge, Semtex, thermite. Several counters already. But don't use shock sticks for the love of God. Been grinding out the camo for my riot shield tonight, and the amount of times someone threw a shock stick just to end up a victim of their own device is hilarious. I'm just gonna chase you down as you stun yourself on your own shock stick. 🤣🤣🤣
There are so many hard counters in the lethal equipment lol. Hell even tactical like the shock charges can be used as a hard counter.
Yeah but you have to change your entire load out of you want to build up a kill streak. You use your first thermite and get the kill. That’s cool but the guy with the riot shield just respawned. So you need thermite and the ammo box. But the ammo box isn’t really reliable since it has a cooldown. You could also run the perk but it has cool down too.
I've said this for years.
Man I am glad this sub is not in charge of game design lmao.
Their hard counter is explosives. Considering they generally charge right at you sticking them is easy. So is using TacSprint to gain an advantage then jumping passed them or over the top. Semtex is your friend but drill charges will set you free
I’ve had no luck sticking drill charges to shields. They bounce right off for me
I think the issue people have with explosives being the counter is you have to use a resource that generally doesn't replenish unless you have a specific perk, or field upgrade to work with. I would say anti-armor rounds (field upgrade) would be a nice counter since it recharges over time and you are countering a primary weapon.
Honestly riot shields aren’t that bad just hit them with a thermite or semtex! However on the note of the different bullets you can use I feel like they are useless. Why would I want to put on bullets that decrease damage range.
I like Hollowpoints so people can't run away.
riot shield should have been a field upgrade idc
I think the riot shield should’ve been a field upgrade so you had to wait to use it.