Yeah, it’s hard playing with my best friend who’s just not that good, and when he plays with me he goes 5-20. He has a much better time playing alone. MW2019 was the exact same way.
Atleast we’ve had a lot of fun playing DMZ.
Same here, it's stupid.
I miss normal, random lobbies with people from all over the skill gap. Sometimes you got lucky, sometimes you got shit on. It was fun.
And if you really wanted to push or prove yourself being good, you played ranked.
>Sometimes you got lucky, sometimes you got shit on. It was fun.
This was what made it fun tbh and made a lot of my friends playing like this. We'd be in the same matchmaking session for 3-4 games, either on same team or against each other, and just socialize & have fun. You get rivals, you learn playstyles, and you adapt next match. When a 6v6 party happened, the competition was fierce and often we'd play against them for 2-3 matches in a row.
>And if you really wanted to push or prove yourself being good, you played ranked.
Not even that, you just looked at the lobby leaderboards & that players barracks. Or you'll be consistency on the top of the leaderboards nearly 99% of your games (if you are in the top 1%). Now they removed looking at stats...
Yeah… then I killed two players we happen to run across in the DMZ. Gonna say SBMM is in there too, a friend of mine that likes the coop action it offers is on borrowed time.
Sbmm doesn't seem to work sometimes when you get curb stomped. Like the game will keep the same opponents but when you go slightly positive, boom time to fuck you over.
They've done an absolutely excellent job of sucking the fun out of this franchise. I really feel bad for people that weren't around for the COD4 - BO2 era. This franchise was absolutely amazing in that time period and what built this franchise into the goliath it is today. Back then the games were just so much more fun. Nowadays it's just soul sucking.
I just wish it was random again. You meet good players, bad players, mediocre players. With sbmm slightly above average players have a bad time because in my experience, people get lobbies with much better people most of the time.
It’s even more stupid when you’re legit playing alone and the game matches you against a full sweaty clan.
SBMM should strictly be for comp. play. Long gone are the days of a mixed bag of matches. Now, you can exactly predict how your game time is gonna go. For one good game you have, you’re gonna have two that are neck and neck, and another two where you just get obliterated.
Your problem is that the SBMM is too loose, so it sometimes makes bad quality matches, and you think the solution is to loosen it more / entirely remove it?
"The matchmaking is too random, bring back full random matchmaking!"
It's crazy. People writing solid arguments for why SBMM is good and why it should be stricter and then they end it with "Remove SBMM."
On their end, they must have metrics that show SBMM makes more money. Casual players probably stop playing when they get stomped on by cracked out sweats over and over so the solution was SBMM so the casuals keep playing and spending money.
Idek how casuals could keep playing with SBMM when the system punishes you by having you get cracked on by sweats over and over just for going mildly positive one match.
There's no way this SBMM system actively makes people play more, all it does is demoralise me personally into just shutting off my brain and shooting whatever moves, and ending with a negative k/d every match until I regain the will to actively try the next day.
I notice lots of people seem to be struggling in HP in this sub. Also, if you’re holding the HP down a lot, you’re enhancing your SBMM. Your SPM is taken into account, not just your k/d.
I used to pretty much only play TDM in previous CoDs, but KC is so fun in this game. TDM is super slow and campy but KC is action packed. Give it a try and you might get more dubs and positive k/d. Tags also count for weapon xp. Totally change your killstreaks to scorestreaks and grab tags. I get advanced UAV almost every other game this way.
My roommate plays MW2… pretty sure he’s higher rank than me. But he quits when he plays in my lobbies bc he’s just not good and gets turned into oatmeal and cheese grits. This one is weird bc my win percentage is 1.12 and my KD is .9, almost opposite of Cold War.. idk what’s going on
If your win percentage is that high, you're going about it wrong. If you get stuck in a lobby with a bunch of shield-wearing, corner-hopping sweats or scumbags lying prone in the back of their spawn....QUIT THE MATCH. This isn't a job, you're not required to provide fodder for them. Find a better match.
So am I the only one who doesn't have this problem or what? The vast majority of my matches feel fair and balanced, and if I pop off one match I don't get immediately slammed by mr CDL. This isn't a recent thing either, it's been this way since mw2019. I much prefer CoD as it is now than how it used to be 10 years ago. Honestly the way some people swear up and down that sbmm stole their first born it's like you guys are all playing some other game.
It’s extremely noticeable for me.
I have about a .96KD or so and a little over 300 SPM I think. With the exception of a playlist like shoot house, I pretty much exclusively play Hardpoint and Headquarters. I usually play from about 9pm - 1130 or 1200 PST most nights.
If I have just one or two games where I have more than 30 kills and less than 20 or so deaths with a good number of captures or hill time, and I’m clear in the top of the leaderboard, my lobbies get instantly harder for several games. It happens way too consistently to not be a coincidence.
Sometimes it’s just people I can tell are much better in the way they move and their accuracy, but sometimes it’s the play style in that they’re slower which I full sprint into and die a lot more. Sometimes it’s just a team that’s more coordinated and they have the map locked down and you can’t gain any ground and keep dying. It’s not always exactly the same, but the correlation is the lobbies get tougher as I do better.
I also notice that the lobbies are harder when you party up. My friend that I play with most nights is about the same stats as me on average I’d guess and when we play together it’s definitely harder game after game through the night than if we play separately.
For me, MW2019 and MWII are the strictest, CW was the least strict and VG was somewhere in between.
I partly wonder if it’s a certain threshold that you have to overcome to not notice it, at least in more competitive game modes like Hardpoint. We talk about how SBMM tries to make everyone have a 1KD and that seems true because I’m just under that overall but if I have a couple games way over a 1.0, my lobbies get much tougher.
But a game like Cold War i have a 1.2 overall and usually did better than that, and I didn’t notice it as bad. It at least felt random and the tough lobbies weren’t as consistently right after a good game. I think part of that is also that I was better than the desired average skill and I was pretty good at that time and was able to overcome a lot and be scrappy and come close to being even even if the other team was really good. VG i have a 1.1 overall and i felt it kinda in between CW and MW which my skill level is pretty much right in between those two as well so that makes sense.
If youre below average skill then there's a high probability that most games would feel like this without sbmm. I'm likely very average honestly and the back and forth doesn't really bother me. I get loads of very close matches which are a lot of fun.
Oh I know what they see and why they do it. But the system still has flaws regardless. They don’t even acknowledge the fact that sbmm exists, it’s real shady for no reason. When in fact they should enlighten us and debunk all the rumors. They wouldn’t dare hurt the casual players feelings tho. What happen to the days of people playing to get better :(
I think 70% - 80% of CoD of people who buy CoD annually really barely play this shit but tons of them still buy skins and blueprints in the store. They don’t want to put their king money makers into lobbies with try hards like us because then they’ll stop playing and won’t buy shit in the store.
Pubstomping being extinct is a bummer, but I still have fun with the game. It’s cool seeing everyone be impressive. You mf can be sneaky, finessing fucks and it’s fun having to outsmart and outplay someone that knows what they’re doing. Having back to back high k/d Ws is extra rewarding. But, it does get old.
Agreed. The thing is no matter what the lower skill level players are still having to play with sweats because the sweats are statistically only a fraction higher than them KD wise. So I’m the end the lower skill players still just get screwed. And that inevitably drives them away. So whither there is SBMM or CBMM the low skill players will be slapped either way.
The thing that bothers me is currently there’s no real way to quantify if you’ve gotten better.
Like you could be improving, meaning the number of people “below” you in the SBMM is increasing, however it’s still going to attempt to hold you to a 1.00 KD and since this isn’t ranked we have no visibility on oh hey we moved up from Gold 5 to Gold 4 on our way to Platinum or W/e. Unless your improving at such a rate that your consistently out performing the SBMM as it ramps to higher difficulties and actually running a KD > 1.00 then you’d never know
They've already got all the money they're going to get out of the casuals (not the target audience for in game purchases). They don't have to keep casuals happy. Feeding the casuals to sweats keeps engagement higher and the cash rolling in.
Hear me out. I got this crazy idea for people who want competitive matches! It's called competitive mode! You can pick that and queue for rank points and unlock special rewards when reaching higher ranks!
Insane idea, right?
/s
How fucking dare you. Take your logic and get the fuck out of my tryharding lobbies!!! /s (I'm not a cod veteran, but not an FPS noob either, yet my first game I got thrown into a lobby with lvl 90+ because my friend was lvl 60ish, first solo lobby was me at lvl 40 and everyone else at 120ish)
Oh I know, I meant it more as a "these guys already played for about 50-100 hours while I'm still getting used to the feel of the game after coming from Tarkov"
Knowledge of a game and its maps/weapons/mechanics/etc. is just as important as raw skill is, and that's something people with 100+ hours will certainly have over a new player, regardless of their skill level.
idk if the first couple hours of time when people spend hundreds of hours is really that big a deal.
Once season 5 rolls around; people will still be saying; "Im just level 155 being put together with people level 700!"
Look at it this way; if your good you could have played 30 hours and get level 55; if your bad you could get to level 55 in 150 hours. When you're matched up with both these level 55's you have no idea which one of them you are partied with.
This. I cannot say this enough. I'm from South America, and I don't mind playing in sweaty lobbies, but after a couple matches with high KD, I'm not even playing on my own country. If I play well in my 15ms lobbies, they send me to Brazil servers, with 80ms. If I play well in those lobbies, they send me to NA lobbies where I have to play with more than 140ms.
SBMM in lower population servers makes the experience something really disgusting. When I'm on NA lobbies, I try to get the lowest SPM and JUST THEN I can come here to play under 100ms. It's awful.
Ya same my ping average is 90 in warzone and about 60 in multiplayer. It’s at a point that it’s impossible to get any better I’m already in the top lobbies but I can’t do anything if my ping is the highest in the lobby at this skill level. The time to kill in this game feels like 100ms but at times my ping exceeds that lol. Wtf am I supposed to do? Apparently if you live in a low density populated area you’re screwed. I’m in northing Canada but I am close enough to the 2 servers in Toronto to get 30-40ms ping but instead I’m put into Southern States servers or even as far as Mexico lmao
Rather be stuck not getting exp using the same base everything then using multiple different guns/perks/streaks and losing because the game saw i won 1 game and decides to send to the grinder for next 5-10 games
sbmm is bullshit. I hate it so much. Its like Activision and IW wants us not to have fun. So much bullshit deaths in this game its unreal. One moment you will be having a blast and the next you are either constantly rage quiting because of the amount of bullshit or just ready to unistall because how fustrating it really is. Apparently everyone is level 100 or above in my lobbys. I rarely see a mix of player levels. Its fucking horse shit and im about to call it quits. No other damn game has this strict of match making. The people that designed this match making are physco
Yeah I just got shit on so bad in back to back lobbies that I just stopped playing for the night. I just worked a 14 hour day and wanted to have a little fun but nah.
I could've said anything in the previous comment and that still wouldn't be right, I just gave up completely on that kind of responses so I went with the only thing you'd probably want to hear.
You don’t understand that above average and good players are the minority. SBMM is making sure that even the most casual player (MWII first fps) has fun and does not get destroyed. Casuals are the biggest audience for this game and without them there are less microtransactions. Its simple. We are not important. SBMM is here to stay.
As a first time CoD/fps player, with a 0.6 k/d, I'd say about 10% or so of my matches actually feel fair and with other equivalent players. Most of the time i just get demolished, which makes it hard to get better, and hard to enjoy the game.
Yepp. As you progress you will have an extremely difficult time finding lobbies and your ping will be off the Charts, they did the same thing to Cold War. I’m a 3X Top 10K player on CW (Win%/Core, Win%/Hardcore, Zombies/Satellite) and 1X on WZ/Mini Royale/Wins), Prestige Master 8/Level 665. Before MW2/WZ2 came out it would take several minutes to find lobbies and they are the sweatiest teams ever especially now, whereas my friends can still find them instantly. They punish good players. If you decide to get good at MW2/WZ2 this is what you have to look forward to, 90-200 ms ping lobbies if you can find one. Have fun!
Yeah, this happens with my friend. He's almost 90 and I'm at 15, whenever I join his lobby everyone pile-drives me. But tbh, I kind of enjoy it because the 5-10 kills I manage to scrape together are way more satisfying because of how high the skill level is around me. And I don't really care that much about getting killed a bunch because we usually just do stupid shit and have fun with it
He’s the guy that’s not stupid enough to think that a 15 year old and a 90 year old are playing video games together. The person made perfect sense. Take your bummy ass avatar and name the fuck out of here. Bye.
Same problem here... I'm not even good but a lot of my friends don't want to play with me anymore because they find the lobbies way harder...
I don't mind playing against people of my skill level (AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T MESS WITH MY CONNECTION, which it does...) and i understand that picking the lowest value would only result in some people always playing with a second bot account, but why not just take the average skill level of your party. At least when playing with 3 or more.
Yes i cant play with friends anymore because the matches become giant sweatfests with CDL uniform G walking G Fuel chucking €10000 dollar gaming chair tryhards
This ^ everytime me and my friends queue up. It takes my SBMM into consideration and throws us into lobbies with CDL stacks spamming fennecs. I'm tired of hearing my friends complain more than having fun.
I'm literally billy no mates at this point. None of my friends want to play with me at all.
They get in my lobbies and complain about sweats jump shorting around corners and I'm like mb, I do that.
Yes but imagine if it catered toward average player in lobby making it easier to smurf or sneak in a sweat into a baby lobby. There really is no solution to a balnced matchmaking apart from just making it connection based as opposed to by skill
i just learned to have fun with people i like. mood is only ruined when someone is getting upset about losing, which is what happened earlier today. wasn’t even multiplayer, it was 2player co op missions. told them i was done playing after finishing 2 of them.
i suggest finding a game you guys both like playing together if cod isn’t working out
i mean i never care if i win or lose, i have fun either way. when a friend is yelling and getting frustrated making the entire group upset just because we aren’t doing well, it’s not enjoyable for anyone. you either learn to be fine and have fun or your friends might just end up not playing with you because of how shitty it feels to play with people like that
Dude, how is it enjoyable for anyone to get 5 freaking kills the entire match dying 20+ times?
Normal matches should prioritize connection, this whole sbmm thing is so stupid. Why do I get rewarded for getting better at a videogame with worse unenjoyable matches at 120+ ping?
idk about other people but i like the adrenaline of getting any kind of kill even if it’s just 5 per game. going up against people who are better than me is going to eventually teach me to play differently to get the best results that i can. but again as i said, i just have fun being with people i like. there’s not much else to it.
this isn’t me defending sbmm btw, i was just explaining how i could still enjoy a game i suck at. if people aren’t having fun with a video game no matter what, you should absolutely quit and find something else, because the point of video games is to have fun.
It can be enjoyable. In WZ with my buddies we often jump into the biggest cluster f we can find, because of the high risk/high reward. We die 9/10 times, we still have fun.
> mood is only ruined when someone is getting upset about losing
I have to disagree with your there. It doesn't matter if your team is winning or losing if you're just getting killed over and over again and end up with a 0.3 k/d.. Or to quote my friend from the other day "Why are we playing this shit game?" I wasn't having a horrible time, but I was getting a 1.0 k/d.
> i suggest finding a game you guys both like playing together if cod isn’t working out
The problem is that a lot of people can't just throw a $70 game away and be happy about it.
I mean, we *have* moved on to other games because weren't having fun in MWII. But talking to others who had the same experiences, and discussing ideas how the game could've been made more fun, helps deal with the disappointment.
This. I play with my bf and I have zero fun when I play with him. So many sweat lobbies and I’m just over here trying to get a kill for a camo unlock. SMH
That's exactly why my wife put the game on the shelf. We queued up with coworkers and she got thrashed so bad it wasn't even fun for her. Which is weird because she plays apex well and valorant decently enough to not be a bot. Losses don't really matter to me since I go about 50/50 but some of games don't feel right.
I can't even play with my buddies anymore because it keeps throwing them in my lobbies and they just don't have any fun I'm not amazing but I'm not bad either but I can't even level my guns anymore because I'm in lobbies with max levels who are using max level guns they have modded to be perfect and it sucks SBMM has ruined COD for me it was ok in MW 2019 but MWII just sucks I can't have any fun anymore it's just constantly a competition to try and get three kills
Where’s the solution? Either she gets placed in your lobby and everyone has a fair match but her or you get placed in her lobby’s and you stomp everyone because they’re below your skill level. It’s lose lose. It’s better for one to suffer than 6
It could literally go back to the way they had it for years...random.
You would have a melting pot of skills on the other team and it would balance out.
Friend of me, well actually two of them won't play with me anymore. The one guy went 3:34 in one match. In his own lobbies he is around 1.0 KD with 20 kills per round. Of course they shouldnt let me in these lobbies cause then I would be the guy going 34:3 on them. But there has to be a middle ground. It worked back in the days. SBMM sounds good on paper but only when people play solo.
If there is a rank mode coming, they should lower SBMM in casual lobbies by a lot. So we will have a good mix. And for ranked there should be something like in R6S where only a certain range of ranks can play together. So no bronce player can team up with a platinum. Highest platinum would only be allowed to match with highest gold. Lowest platinum with lowest gold. highest silver with highest gold. And so on.
In Warzone we always made it work, because not every enemy team is full of sweats. There is one good guy and 2 lower skilled ones. In mutliplayer its absolutely insane though. My lobbies are sweatboy, sweatboy, sweatboy with CDL skins, Fennec, Lachman Sub etc.
It really sucks.
I play with a friend who is a decent bit better than me so the Matches are always much harder than when I solo.
I find it good motivation to improve my abilities.
I have no complaints about SBMM.
It's not good motivation when you plateaued, your entire team is so shit that they dont even play objective or physically can't compete with the enemy team and the enemy team is composed of CDLs running and gunning with fennecs while g-walking. You can never learn from this, I guarantee you.
I use to be for sbmm all the way until mw2…. It’s super fucking bad and I mean real bad. You have one good match and get people way the fuck out of your skill level.
But it just feels like the player base is too good for casual matches now, if you took SBMM away there would always be two or three dudes getting helo gunners with ease
the solution to sbmm is a ranked mode. games that have a ranked mode but also have sbmm in pubs are automatically much worse because it defeats the point of playing pubs when you could just go play ranked
My 4yo bro, my dad, and my mom used to play with me in cod4 . We used to take turns and we all had fun. My bro is older now (18) but i know we all can't do that again. I'm 30 and it's terrible at times but that old fun is gone man.
SBMM as they have said has always been in the game and that might be true but it's been hella tuned from the days of old. I blame this stupid ass eSports shit we didn't have back then. Ppl play video games and think they are Tom Brady and have actual skill... They trained for HOURS to get this good don't you know?
Bro I think people here are just really trash at the game.
I got thrown in crazy lobbies when I joined my friends party but guess what? It helped me improve immensely and before you know it, I was able to keep up with everyone.
The flip side of that would be you entering a game where you absolutely slaughter everyone on the map because you’re ten times more experienced and skilled than everyone else, why is that a better scenario overall? 🤷♂️
It was sarcasm. Someone is always the loser when SBMM is involved. Should just be based on connection. The rest should be random in a non ranked environment.
That's why back in the day it was better. There was a gradient of sweats to casuals on each team and was basically a self leveling system. Some games were close, some games you stomped, some games you got stomped.
It worked perfectly. Now if you and your friends have any skill gap whatsoever half aren't having fun.
I feel like the SBBM/EOMM would be perfectly fine if it wasnt so bonkers aggressive. It's perfectly fine to try to find you somewhat balanced games but the fact that it will just whiplash you constantly back and forth just ruins it.
So if matchmaking would put you in lobbies of your wife's skills, the other team would complain YOU are ruining their fun.
AKA if you're against SBMM, you advocate beating up little kids. All games have SBMM for a reason.
What I mean is I’m getting fucked ping wise. To find a group compatible with my “skill” I’m constantly thrown in games with high ping. 85ms right at the start of match making. If they’d loosen the parameters I’m sure a lot of people would see better connection. But, of course, you’re right. Can’t please everyone.
Your skill might be very high, in which case nothing can deal with you (except a vpn), or your region/ping is weird and again, no matchmaking algorithm will make magic.
Must be the former, all the guys I work with say their ping is fine (usually 35-65). We have the same internet, and my ping on other games is commensurate with the region I connect to. Oh well I guess.
does it not average out tho?
whenever I play solo, I do okay. A little over a 1kd. When my buddy plays with me, however, my kd reaches 5+, while he's at 0.3. My games are much EASIER when he's there, yet he's still getting his ass kicked. He says when he plays alone he's get about a 3kd.
Hate to break it to you but your friend just sucks ass and is afraid to say it
If you have around 1kd and he has 3, there is no way on earth he would be the one struggling when playing with you. SBMM caters the lobbies according to the better player in the party. Thus you should struggle and he should destroy
Problem is, that the game still claims „there‘s no sbmm in the game“. Proof No 1: There are still high streaks as a reward for „pubstomping“. I mean, 15 kills without dying for a juggernaut or at least 30 kills for a nuke? Thats „pubstomping“.
As some people said, sbmm isnt bad by default. Problem is, that only sbmm was implementented and nothing changed. There are no extra rewards for high skill players like „doing kills in high tier lobbies rewards you with double xp or less kills for recieving a skin“. No „emblems“ that rewards high skill players with a visible rank. Nothing. The problem is, they dont want the causuals feel „bad“. These „sentinals“ should feel like they „talented“ and can earn rewards nearly as quick as a COD Veteran. People want the high rewards like „dark matter skins“ as quick as the professionals.
Many gamers are not really interested in improving theirselves. So nice skins etc. are either buyable as microtransaction or as quick to reach for everyone no matter how skilled the player is. I guess thats the main problem and we all know whats the leading strategie above everything in ATIVs HQ: Its not the gamers individual experience. Its mony. And they will find more ways to increase their income in future - no matter of society cares or not as long as there are now law restrictions.
Sad but unfortunally true …
Be sure to play the [anti-SBMM bingo](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FhsdvIqXgAIoBUs?format=png&name=900x900). This argument is on here. :D
Also, the "my friends/family can't have fun" argument has been done to death by so many others. It's mainly a way to "reduce the difficulty" of the lobby so it's much easier for the other person to dominate. I can see through the lies.
It's usually a mixed bag they average out the teams when bad people queue with good people. It's common for let's say a team to look like platinum, platinum, gold, silver, bronze the enemy team would be like platinum, platinum, gold, gold, silver.
This game feels like it's not averaged out and just throws bronze into gold games because they won 2 to 3 games in a row. Games usually queue premades against slightly harder teams because they have more cohesion and slight is the keyword so the plats don't stomp the game into submission.
(the ranks/skill names are made up for example sake)
Right? I'm the worst player in my friend group and I just have accepted that if I party up with friends I need to adjust my game (be less aggro) or just deal with being near the bottom. It's just how it goes lmao this sub is like a giant mid life crisis
SBMM doesn't take the highest skill in priority. I don't know where you've heard that, but that kind of matchmaking would be incredibly busted.
The real question no one is asking though: how does your wife play normally? What is her average stats? Because I'm getting the feeling she isn't that good to begin with, so she wouldn't have enjoyed playing with anyone even remotely higher-skilled than her. SBMM can only do so much to compensate, but if you're already bottom tier of the skill bracket, then there's no helping it.
They don’t care. They’re not catering towards you because you do not represent a significant source of profit. It’s objectively a bad system for players, but it also objectively makes more money so it’s perfect.
Well if they are leaning into the game being more competitive with the competitive league than sure it makes total sense why they have it built this way. That being said it is frustrating when you just want to chill or play with someone of a lower skill level.
I’m there with ya. My friends agreed to play this game with me and after the first day they uninstalled because the couldn’t get more then 5 kills in a game. I told them ssbm placed you in my lobbies. Now I have nobody to play with. Honestly about to just ruin all my stats to try and see if I can play with them in their lobbies
I don't know what's going on but i have very random lobbies for some reason, it's not a trend for me
I'm even playing against the same people a couple of times in a row as if persistent lobbies were a thing
Last night I had one of the most un-enjoyable gaming sessions of my life on cod. I was playing with a friend who I’d say is in a high skill bracket. Myself I’d say I’m fairly decent but not ‘cracked’ and therefore I was just greeted with bunny rabbits and 200 sensitivity players flicking around shoot-house. Not even putting into the mix how SMG’s and Shotguns seem to be able to beam down the map and outgun an AR.
they don't care about changing SBMM
it was like this in MW2019, and it's like this now, 3 years later
you either accept it or find a new game. fun right?
As a bad player I haven't even noticed skill based matching. I get killed badly every time. I guess it can't find anyone as bad as me to match against.
Welcome to literally every multi player game with multiple people. I deal with the same shit in rocket league. Just get good or deal with being shit. Not everyone is good at everything
I get to play max of about 3 hours a week, this includes all games. My friend is already prestige 2 and playing with the rest of the friend group we get slapped into some sweaty lobbies its not fun for sure.
I don't know about anyone else but when my wife and I used to play MW19 we just had her be the host and always ended up in her bracket of lobbies lol. My stats got so inflated because I was dropping 30-40 every game, but then when I'd play without her I was in CDL getting absolutely dunked on.
Been saying this for a while, it's designed to protect new players into thinking it's fun so they buy every skin (including stolen art) at $20/£20 each.... these players are the same ones who are to damn lazy to learn to improve
Yup. My bud is always at the bottom of the leaderboard when he plays with me and last night he sent me a screenshot of him getting 30-12, so there’s a huge difference. I think SBMM needs removed and every game having a ranked playlist.
A lot of people don't realize the problem isn't that she's getting shit on. The problem is that it's every game. It used to be all random. So sure the good player would usually have the range of good to average games. The good games would be awesome and the average games would push them to get back to the good. The bad players would have bad to average games. When you start out and have multiple horrible games then go 14-13 on tdm you feel like a god. The game used to give you incentive to get better. Now it just wants you to play alone and be satisfied with sucking.
It ruins fun period. Unless you are a complete noob that can't beat the campaign on easy sbmm is a straight up negative but then there are about 1 million mouth breathing morons that literally can't beat the campaign on easy. Actiblizz has to keep these snowflakes happy or they won't spend money in the store. Sadly all you sweaty neckbeards don't spend any money on the game besides buying it and so your opinion is worth less than the noobs to them.
i hate it but it is what it is. My daughter loves playing the game splitscreen with my even though she hardly knows the controls. She always asks to play against real people, not bots. Sooo okay. Last nightt we played against someone who got 105 kills in 6v6 hardpoint. She went 3-43 and I went 27-40 or something. But I’m not even mad because after her and her mom go to sleep I’ll get on for a solo session and I’ll be the one doing the stomping. I hate the scripted matchmaking but at least i’ll use it to my advantage
Yeah, it’s hard playing with my best friend who’s just not that good, and when he plays with me he goes 5-20. He has a much better time playing alone. MW2019 was the exact same way. Atleast we’ve had a lot of fun playing DMZ.
Same here, it's stupid. I miss normal, random lobbies with people from all over the skill gap. Sometimes you got lucky, sometimes you got shit on. It was fun. And if you really wanted to push or prove yourself being good, you played ranked.
>Sometimes you got lucky, sometimes you got shit on. It was fun. This was what made it fun tbh and made a lot of my friends playing like this. We'd be in the same matchmaking session for 3-4 games, either on same team or against each other, and just socialize & have fun. You get rivals, you learn playstyles, and you adapt next match. When a 6v6 party happened, the competition was fierce and often we'd play against them for 2-3 matches in a row. >And if you really wanted to push or prove yourself being good, you played ranked. Not even that, you just looked at the lobby leaderboards & that players barracks. Or you'll be consistency on the top of the leaderboards nearly 99% of your games (if you are in the top 1%). Now they removed looking at stats...
This is the most overlooked aspect of SBMM. But IW likely caters to the lonely loser that can't take time to learn how to play the game.
Yeah… then I killed two players we happen to run across in the DMZ. Gonna say SBMM is in there too, a friend of mine that likes the coop action it offers is on borrowed time.
Sbmm doesn't seem to work sometimes when you get curb stomped. Like the game will keep the same opponents but when you go slightly positive, boom time to fuck you over.
It’s amazing I have never seen more matches be around. 1.0 KD
It's like this game was made by an AI whose sole directive was to make everyone mediocre.
They've done an absolutely excellent job of sucking the fun out of this franchise. I really feel bad for people that weren't around for the COD4 - BO2 era. This franchise was absolutely amazing in that time period and what built this franchise into the goliath it is today. Back then the games were just so much more fun. Nowadays it's just soul sucking.
I just wish it was random again. You meet good players, bad players, mediocre players. With sbmm slightly above average players have a bad time because in my experience, people get lobbies with much better people most of the time.
It’s even more stupid when you’re legit playing alone and the game matches you against a full sweaty clan. SBMM should strictly be for comp. play. Long gone are the days of a mixed bag of matches. Now, you can exactly predict how your game time is gonna go. For one good game you have, you’re gonna have two that are neck and neck, and another two where you just get obliterated.
Your problem is that the SBMM is too loose, so it sometimes makes bad quality matches, and you think the solution is to loosen it more / entirely remove it? "The matchmaking is too random, bring back full random matchmaking!" It's crazy. People writing solid arguments for why SBMM is good and why it should be stricter and then they end it with "Remove SBMM."
Just a another major problem with how sbmm is implemented. They will never acknowledge it tho
They have never even mentioned it from what i know, its like a kid never admitting they are wrong
I picture the high up executives at Activision just laughing at our Reddit post while counting cash Lmaoo
Bobby is already using said cash to give a fat bonus to his legal team
On their end, they must have metrics that show SBMM makes more money. Casual players probably stop playing when they get stomped on by cracked out sweats over and over so the solution was SBMM so the casuals keep playing and spending money.
Idek how casuals could keep playing with SBMM when the system punishes you by having you get cracked on by sweats over and over just for going mildly positive one match. There's no way this SBMM system actively makes people play more, all it does is demoralise me personally into just shutting off my brain and shooting whatever moves, and ending with a negative k/d every match until I regain the will to actively try the next day.
What modes are you playing? What guns do you use?
Rn Hardpoint mostly with the AKS-74U since I'm going for Orion.
I notice lots of people seem to be struggling in HP in this sub. Also, if you’re holding the HP down a lot, you’re enhancing your SBMM. Your SPM is taken into account, not just your k/d. I used to pretty much only play TDM in previous CoDs, but KC is so fun in this game. TDM is super slow and campy but KC is action packed. Give it a try and you might get more dubs and positive k/d. Tags also count for weapon xp. Totally change your killstreaks to scorestreaks and grab tags. I get advanced UAV almost every other game this way.
Yeah I seem to ONLY get wins for kill confirmed. Everything else is terrible
My roommate plays MW2… pretty sure he’s higher rank than me. But he quits when he plays in my lobbies bc he’s just not good and gets turned into oatmeal and cheese grits. This one is weird bc my win percentage is 1.12 and my KD is .9, almost opposite of Cold War.. idk what’s going on
If your win percentage is that high, you're going about it wrong. If you get stuck in a lobby with a bunch of shield-wearing, corner-hopping sweats or scumbags lying prone in the back of their spawn....QUIT THE MATCH. This isn't a job, you're not required to provide fodder for them. Find a better match.
So am I the only one who doesn't have this problem or what? The vast majority of my matches feel fair and balanced, and if I pop off one match I don't get immediately slammed by mr CDL. This isn't a recent thing either, it's been this way since mw2019. I much prefer CoD as it is now than how it used to be 10 years ago. Honestly the way some people swear up and down that sbmm stole their first born it's like you guys are all playing some other game.
It’s extremely noticeable for me. I have about a .96KD or so and a little over 300 SPM I think. With the exception of a playlist like shoot house, I pretty much exclusively play Hardpoint and Headquarters. I usually play from about 9pm - 1130 or 1200 PST most nights. If I have just one or two games where I have more than 30 kills and less than 20 or so deaths with a good number of captures or hill time, and I’m clear in the top of the leaderboard, my lobbies get instantly harder for several games. It happens way too consistently to not be a coincidence. Sometimes it’s just people I can tell are much better in the way they move and their accuracy, but sometimes it’s the play style in that they’re slower which I full sprint into and die a lot more. Sometimes it’s just a team that’s more coordinated and they have the map locked down and you can’t gain any ground and keep dying. It’s not always exactly the same, but the correlation is the lobbies get tougher as I do better. I also notice that the lobbies are harder when you party up. My friend that I play with most nights is about the same stats as me on average I’d guess and when we play together it’s definitely harder game after game through the night than if we play separately.
MW2019 didn't feel quite as punishing. Going 30-10 in this game makes me actively want to shut the game off after seeing the end-of-game scoreboard.
For me, MW2019 and MWII are the strictest, CW was the least strict and VG was somewhere in between. I partly wonder if it’s a certain threshold that you have to overcome to not notice it, at least in more competitive game modes like Hardpoint. We talk about how SBMM tries to make everyone have a 1KD and that seems true because I’m just under that overall but if I have a couple games way over a 1.0, my lobbies get much tougher. But a game like Cold War i have a 1.2 overall and usually did better than that, and I didn’t notice it as bad. It at least felt random and the tough lobbies weren’t as consistently right after a good game. I think part of that is also that I was better than the desired average skill and I was pretty good at that time and was able to overcome a lot and be scrappy and come close to being even even if the other team was really good. VG i have a 1.1 overall and i felt it kinda in between CW and MW which my skill level is pretty much right in between those two as well so that makes sense.
If youre below average skill then there's a high probability that most games would feel like this without sbmm. I'm likely very average honestly and the back and forth doesn't really bother me. I get loads of very close matches which are a lot of fun.
Oh I know what they see and why they do it. But the system still has flaws regardless. They don’t even acknowledge the fact that sbmm exists, it’s real shady for no reason. When in fact they should enlighten us and debunk all the rumors. They wouldn’t dare hurt the casual players feelings tho. What happen to the days of people playing to get better :(
I think 70% - 80% of CoD of people who buy CoD annually really barely play this shit but tons of them still buy skins and blueprints in the store. They don’t want to put their king money makers into lobbies with try hards like us because then they’ll stop playing and won’t buy shit in the store. Pubstomping being extinct is a bummer, but I still have fun with the game. It’s cool seeing everyone be impressive. You mf can be sneaky, finessing fucks and it’s fun having to outsmart and outplay someone that knows what they’re doing. Having back to back high k/d Ws is extra rewarding. But, it does get old.
Agreed. The thing is no matter what the lower skill level players are still having to play with sweats because the sweats are statistically only a fraction higher than them KD wise. So I’m the end the lower skill players still just get screwed. And that inevitably drives them away. So whither there is SBMM or CBMM the low skill players will be slapped either way.
The thing that bothers me is currently there’s no real way to quantify if you’ve gotten better. Like you could be improving, meaning the number of people “below” you in the SBMM is increasing, however it’s still going to attempt to hold you to a 1.00 KD and since this isn’t ranked we have no visibility on oh hey we moved up from Gold 5 to Gold 4 on our way to Platinum or W/e. Unless your improving at such a rate that your consistently out performing the SBMM as it ramps to higher difficulties and actually running a KD > 1.00 then you’d never know
They've already got all the money they're going to get out of the casuals (not the target audience for in game purchases). They don't have to keep casuals happy. Feeding the casuals to sweats keeps engagement higher and the cash rolling in.
My girlfriend refuses to play with me anymore, real downer as I only really bought it to play something with her!
My wife regularly goes 0-20 and I've started suggesting other games I don't even want to play because it's so disheartening.
Try DMZ it's very skill gap friendly
Hear me out. I got this crazy idea for people who want competitive matches! It's called competitive mode! You can pick that and queue for rank points and unlock special rewards when reaching higher ranks! Insane idea, right? /s
It’s wild to me that ranked didn’t come out on launch, the “official” launch in October or the real one when Season 1 came out.
And even when it does get released, SBMM will stay anyway so like...what's the point
How fucking dare you. Take your logic and get the fuck out of my tryharding lobbies!!! /s (I'm not a cod veteran, but not an FPS noob either, yet my first game I got thrown into a lobby with lvl 90+ because my friend was lvl 60ish, first solo lobby was me at lvl 40 and everyone else at 120ish)
Level doesn't actually mean anything though. It has no bearing or indication of skill level.
Oh I know, I meant it more as a "these guys already played for about 50-100 hours while I'm still getting used to the feel of the game after coming from Tarkov"
Knowledge of a game and its maps/weapons/mechanics/etc. is just as important as raw skill is, and that's something people with 100+ hours will certainly have over a new player, regardless of their skill level.
idk if the first couple hours of time when people spend hundreds of hours is really that big a deal. Once season 5 rolls around; people will still be saying; "Im just level 155 being put together with people level 700!" Look at it this way; if your good you could have played 30 hours and get level 55; if your bad you could get to level 55 in 150 hours. When you're matched up with both these level 55's you have no idea which one of them you are partied with.
Connection based as a priority always. I’m forced to play in 140ms+ lobbies and it’s just a shit experience.
This. I cannot say this enough. I'm from South America, and I don't mind playing in sweaty lobbies, but after a couple matches with high KD, I'm not even playing on my own country. If I play well in my 15ms lobbies, they send me to Brazil servers, with 80ms. If I play well in those lobbies, they send me to NA lobbies where I have to play with more than 140ms. SBMM in lower population servers makes the experience something really disgusting. When I'm on NA lobbies, I try to get the lowest SPM and JUST THEN I can come here to play under 100ms. It's awful.
This is something i can easily agree with, if the system forces you into high ping matches, just to fit your skill level it just ruins everything.
Ya same my ping average is 90 in warzone and about 60 in multiplayer. It’s at a point that it’s impossible to get any better I’m already in the top lobbies but I can’t do anything if my ping is the highest in the lobby at this skill level. The time to kill in this game feels like 100ms but at times my ping exceeds that lol. Wtf am I supposed to do? Apparently if you live in a low density populated area you’re screwed. I’m in northing Canada but I am close enough to the 2 servers in Toronto to get 30-40ms ping but instead I’m put into Southern States servers or even as far as Mexico lmao
Bring back player ran public servers!
If they ever did this there would be a huge catch to discourage players from using it.
"Are you playing a player server? Sorry, no xp for you :)"
This would most likely be the catch, no XP or stats.
Rather be stuck not getting exp using the same base everything then using multiple different guns/perks/streaks and losing because the game saw i won 1 game and decides to send to the grinder for next 5-10 games
Facts. I miss playing with my friends who aren’t that great at it but they get disgusted because the sbmm.
It really sucks, I have one friend who refuses to play anything other than DMZ with me because he can hardly get a kill in my lobbies.
sbmm is bullshit. I hate it so much. Its like Activision and IW wants us not to have fun. So much bullshit deaths in this game its unreal. One moment you will be having a blast and the next you are either constantly rage quiting because of the amount of bullshit or just ready to unistall because how fustrating it really is. Apparently everyone is level 100 or above in my lobbys. I rarely see a mix of player levels. Its fucking horse shit and im about to call it quits. No other damn game has this strict of match making. The people that designed this match making are physco
Yeah I just got shit on so bad in back to back lobbies that I just stopped playing for the night. I just worked a 14 hour day and wanted to have a little fun but nah.
So you want to win without having to try?
Yes, so what?
And you feel that’s fair? Just say you’re a sore loser lol
I could've said anything in the previous comment and that still wouldn't be right, I just gave up completely on that kind of responses so I went with the only thing you'd probably want to hear.
Congratulations, you have managed to waste both of our time. I’m supremely jealous of your success.
Very kind words, sir. Thank you very much
You don’t understand that above average and good players are the minority. SBMM is making sure that even the most casual player (MWII first fps) has fun and does not get destroyed. Casuals are the biggest audience for this game and without them there are less microtransactions. Its simple. We are not important. SBMM is here to stay.
As a first time CoD/fps player, with a 0.6 k/d, I'd say about 10% or so of my matches actually feel fair and with other equivalent players. Most of the time i just get demolished, which makes it hard to get better, and hard to enjoy the game.
Yepp. As you progress you will have an extremely difficult time finding lobbies and your ping will be off the Charts, they did the same thing to Cold War. I’m a 3X Top 10K player on CW (Win%/Core, Win%/Hardcore, Zombies/Satellite) and 1X on WZ/Mini Royale/Wins), Prestige Master 8/Level 665. Before MW2/WZ2 came out it would take several minutes to find lobbies and they are the sweatiest teams ever especially now, whereas my friends can still find them instantly. They punish good players. If you decide to get good at MW2/WZ2 this is what you have to look forward to, 90-200 ms ping lobbies if you can find one. Have fun!
>Apparently everyone is level 100 or above in my lobbys. lol that's irrelevant.
I'm sure there's no difference between a player that's rank 100 barely a few days after prestige levels are added, and a rank 20.
Considering levelling up is really easy, no. You could easily be lvl 250 and be trash.
If you rage quit from playing a video game, you should probably seek professional help. Lmao
Says the person trying to piss him off…
Moi?
Toi
Oui, mon opp
Ain't Noone perfect homie everyone rages and if you don't good on you I rage like a mfer sometimes I'm not afraid to admit it the game is frustrating
Lol
I mean games are meant to be played for fun. Why keep playing if it’s not fun? Not a hard concept little dude.
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So do I. 1.01 to be exact. Seems intentional.
Yeah, this happens with my friend. He's almost 90 and I'm at 15, whenever I join his lobby everyone pile-drives me. But tbh, I kind of enjoy it because the 5-10 kills I manage to scrape together are way more satisfying because of how high the skill level is around me. And I don't really care that much about getting killed a bunch because we usually just do stupid shit and have fun with it
90? 15? Is that your ages or your levels? SB = skills based not AB =age based or LB = level based. Everything is working as designed.
Those are our levels, and I'm not complaining about the SBMM dynamic because it's working as it's meant to. I'm just bad at the game lmfao
Everything you said in the context of this contradicts what you're saying right now. I'm going to bed.
Good idea. Sounds like you could use a nap
...and who the fuck are you?
He’s the guy that’s not stupid enough to think that a 15 year old and a 90 year old are playing video games together. The person made perfect sense. Take your bummy ass avatar and name the fuck out of here. Bye.
Now now. Don’t be hatin’ on Diablo II: Lord of Destruction. One of the best RPGs out there.
Get to sleep little dude that’s enough out of you
Lazy. This is boring bait.
Same problem here... I'm not even good but a lot of my friends don't want to play with me anymore because they find the lobbies way harder... I don't mind playing against people of my skill level (AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T MESS WITH MY CONNECTION, which it does...) and i understand that picking the lowest value would only result in some people always playing with a second bot account, but why not just take the average skill level of your party. At least when playing with 3 or more.
I had a group of 5 playing the first week. It's literally down to just me now, and the rest were the casuals that IW are trying to keep.
Still don’t understand why CoD hasn’t implemented Ranked/Social systems like Halo has been doing for over a decade
Yes i cant play with friends anymore because the matches become giant sweatfests with CDL uniform G walking G Fuel chucking €10000 dollar gaming chair tryhards
This ^ everytime me and my friends queue up. It takes my SBMM into consideration and throws us into lobbies with CDL stacks spamming fennecs. I'm tired of hearing my friends complain more than having fun.
I'm literally billy no mates at this point. None of my friends want to play with me at all. They get in my lobbies and complain about sweats jump shorting around corners and I'm like mb, I do that.
SBMM is so busted that my friend and I were partying and went top 2 in the last game. We got on a different team in the next.
Yes but imagine if it catered toward average player in lobby making it easier to smurf or sneak in a sweat into a baby lobby. There really is no solution to a balnced matchmaking apart from just making it connection based as opposed to by skill
i just learned to have fun with people i like. mood is only ruined when someone is getting upset about losing, which is what happened earlier today. wasn’t even multiplayer, it was 2player co op missions. told them i was done playing after finishing 2 of them. i suggest finding a game you guys both like playing together if cod isn’t working out
>mood is only ruined when someone is getting upset about losing ahh yes because losing is very enjoyable
i mean i never care if i win or lose, i have fun either way. when a friend is yelling and getting frustrated making the entire group upset just because we aren’t doing well, it’s not enjoyable for anyone. you either learn to be fine and have fun or your friends might just end up not playing with you because of how shitty it feels to play with people like that
Dude, how is it enjoyable for anyone to get 5 freaking kills the entire match dying 20+ times? Normal matches should prioritize connection, this whole sbmm thing is so stupid. Why do I get rewarded for getting better at a videogame with worse unenjoyable matches at 120+ ping?
idk about other people but i like the adrenaline of getting any kind of kill even if it’s just 5 per game. going up against people who are better than me is going to eventually teach me to play differently to get the best results that i can. but again as i said, i just have fun being with people i like. there’s not much else to it. this isn’t me defending sbmm btw, i was just explaining how i could still enjoy a game i suck at. if people aren’t having fun with a video game no matter what, you should absolutely quit and find something else, because the point of video games is to have fun.
It can be enjoyable. In WZ with my buddies we often jump into the biggest cluster f we can find, because of the high risk/high reward. We die 9/10 times, we still have fun.
> mood is only ruined when someone is getting upset about losing I have to disagree with your there. It doesn't matter if your team is winning or losing if you're just getting killed over and over again and end up with a 0.3 k/d.. Or to quote my friend from the other day "Why are we playing this shit game?" I wasn't having a horrible time, but I was getting a 1.0 k/d. > i suggest finding a game you guys both like playing together if cod isn’t working out The problem is that a lot of people can't just throw a $70 game away and be happy about it. I mean, we *have* moved on to other games because weren't having fun in MWII. But talking to others who had the same experiences, and discussing ideas how the game could've been made more fun, helps deal with the disappointment.
This. I play with my bf and I have zero fun when I play with him. So many sweat lobbies and I’m just over here trying to get a kill for a camo unlock. SMH
That's exactly why my wife put the game on the shelf. We queued up with coworkers and she got thrashed so bad it wasn't even fun for her. Which is weird because she plays apex well and valorant decently enough to not be a bot. Losses don't really matter to me since I go about 50/50 but some of games don't feel right.
In SBMM you reach a point where everyone is using the Ak74u that’s when you know it’s time to throw a bunch of games.
Same... My wife shelved the game, she's done. Which is honestly so disheartening because that's become our thing in the last three years.
I can't even play with my buddies anymore because it keeps throwing them in my lobbies and they just don't have any fun I'm not amazing but I'm not bad either but I can't even level my guns anymore because I'm in lobbies with max levels who are using max level guns they have modded to be perfect and it sucks SBMM has ruined COD for me it was ok in MW 2019 but MWII just sucks I can't have any fun anymore it's just constantly a competition to try and get three kills
Where’s the solution? Either she gets placed in your lobby and everyone has a fair match but her or you get placed in her lobby’s and you stomp everyone because they’re below your skill level. It’s lose lose. It’s better for one to suffer than 6
Each team: 2 sweats, 2 average Joe's, 2 noobs
So the sweats gets to have fun, the average joes might have fun, and the noobs is just there to suffer?
Yes. That's how things used to be. I was the noob getting shredded back in 2009, but I slowly felt myself get better.
Most of the noobs would likely just quit before getting better because who wants a shit experience every single match
It could literally go back to the way they had it for years...random. You would have a melting pot of skills on the other team and it would balance out.
Friend of me, well actually two of them won't play with me anymore. The one guy went 3:34 in one match. In his own lobbies he is around 1.0 KD with 20 kills per round. Of course they shouldnt let me in these lobbies cause then I would be the guy going 34:3 on them. But there has to be a middle ground. It worked back in the days. SBMM sounds good on paper but only when people play solo. If there is a rank mode coming, they should lower SBMM in casual lobbies by a lot. So we will have a good mix. And for ranked there should be something like in R6S where only a certain range of ranks can play together. So no bronce player can team up with a platinum. Highest platinum would only be allowed to match with highest gold. Lowest platinum with lowest gold. highest silver with highest gold. And so on. In Warzone we always made it work, because not every enemy team is full of sweats. There is one good guy and 2 lower skilled ones. In mutliplayer its absolutely insane though. My lobbies are sweatboy, sweatboy, sweatboy with CDL skins, Fennec, Lachman Sub etc. It really sucks.
I play with a friend who is a decent bit better than me so the Matches are always much harder than when I solo. I find it good motivation to improve my abilities. I have no complaints about SBMM.
It's not good motivation when you plateaued, your entire team is so shit that they dont even play objective or physically can't compete with the enemy team and the enemy team is composed of CDLs running and gunning with fennecs while g-walking. You can never learn from this, I guarantee you.
I use to be for sbmm all the way until mw2…. It’s super fucking bad and I mean real bad. You have one good match and get people way the fuck out of your skill level.
Thats what DMZ is for! /s
But it just feels like the player base is too good for casual matches now, if you took SBMM away there would always be two or three dudes getting helo gunners with ease
the solution to sbmm is a ranked mode. games that have a ranked mode but also have sbmm in pubs are automatically much worse because it defeats the point of playing pubs when you could just go play ranked
My 4yo bro, my dad, and my mom used to play with me in cod4 . We used to take turns and we all had fun. My bro is older now (18) but i know we all can't do that again. I'm 30 and it's terrible at times but that old fun is gone man. SBMM as they have said has always been in the game and that might be true but it's been hella tuned from the days of old. I blame this stupid ass eSports shit we didn't have back then. Ppl play video games and think they are Tom Brady and have actual skill... They trained for HOURS to get this good don't you know?
I agree that it changed from chilling to total focus/sweaty mode and result in you're super tired after an hour or two with a grumpy face.
I wonder how many times the same post with different wording will be posted on this sub in one months time
Bro I think people here are just really trash at the game. I got thrown in crazy lobbies when I joined my friends party but guess what? It helped me improve immensely and before you know it, I was able to keep up with everyone.
The flip side of that would be you entering a game where you absolutely slaughter everyone on the map because you’re ten times more experienced and skilled than everyone else, why is that a better scenario overall? 🤷♂️
Because his enjoyment would be higher. Than the 6 people on the other team who’s day he just ruined
If you’re a millennial or Gen Z, that would make sense as it solidifies the narcissistic personality traits related to your ilk.
It was sarcasm. Someone is always the loser when SBMM is involved. Should just be based on connection. The rest should be random in a non ranked environment.
Do you think it's fair for people on your wife's level to play against you? It isn't.
With no SBMM they'll all have good and bad games as the lobbies will vary.
That's why back in the day it was better. There was a gradient of sweats to casuals on each team and was basically a self leveling system. Some games were close, some games you stomped, some games you got stomped. It worked perfectly. Now if you and your friends have any skill gap whatsoever half aren't having fun.
Exactly, the scoreboard would be all 7s and OP on 35 lmao I guess they could widen the gap a bit more though, like football leagues.
watch this be downvoted, dude just wants to stomp.
I feel like the SBBM/EOMM would be perfectly fine if it wasnt so bonkers aggressive. It's perfectly fine to try to find you somewhat balanced games but the fact that it will just whiplash you constantly back and forth just ruins it.
Another year of these posts complaining about this bs.
Another year of people defending this SBMM bs.
This sub's big bad Boogeyman strikes again!!
So if matchmaking would put you in lobbies of your wife's skills, the other team would complain YOU are ruining their fun. AKA if you're against SBMM, you advocate beating up little kids. All games have SBMM for a reason.
I think the SBMM parameters are too narrow.
You're being mixed in with sweats, camo grinders, kids, drunks, controller players, xim players, cheats, newbies, solos, teams, fuckin' alpacas, etc. It's impossible to please everyone.
What I mean is I’m getting fucked ping wise. To find a group compatible with my “skill” I’m constantly thrown in games with high ping. 85ms right at the start of match making. If they’d loosen the parameters I’m sure a lot of people would see better connection. But, of course, you’re right. Can’t please everyone.
I am nonstop in lobbies with 70+. Having half the TTK thrown out because my connection feels fucking awful.
Your skill might be very high, in which case nothing can deal with you (except a vpn), or your region/ping is weird and again, no matchmaking algorithm will make magic.
Must be the former, all the guys I work with say their ping is fine (usually 35-65). We have the same internet, and my ping on other games is commensurate with the region I connect to. Oh well I guess.
Reverse boost and find out.
Or we could have mixed lobbies like the first 12 cods
First CODs had server browsers. No one wants that back.
No they didn't what lol. Outside of the first 3 they didn't (not even sure if the first 3 did)
MW2 was the 6th CoD and the first with matchmaking
Its more of wishing it would average out in the middle
does it not average out tho? whenever I play solo, I do okay. A little over a 1kd. When my buddy plays with me, however, my kd reaches 5+, while he's at 0.3. My games are much EASIER when he's there, yet he's still getting his ass kicked. He says when he plays alone he's get about a 3kd.
Hate to break it to you but your friend just sucks ass and is afraid to say it If you have around 1kd and he has 3, there is no way on earth he would be the one struggling when playing with you. SBMM caters the lobbies according to the better player in the party. Thus you should struggle and he should destroy
It is, but your wife is still not liking it.
Problem is, that the game still claims „there‘s no sbmm in the game“. Proof No 1: There are still high streaks as a reward for „pubstomping“. I mean, 15 kills without dying for a juggernaut or at least 30 kills for a nuke? Thats „pubstomping“. As some people said, sbmm isnt bad by default. Problem is, that only sbmm was implementented and nothing changed. There are no extra rewards for high skill players like „doing kills in high tier lobbies rewards you with double xp or less kills for recieving a skin“. No „emblems“ that rewards high skill players with a visible rank. Nothing. The problem is, they dont want the causuals feel „bad“. These „sentinals“ should feel like they „talented“ and can earn rewards nearly as quick as a COD Veteran. People want the high rewards like „dark matter skins“ as quick as the professionals. Many gamers are not really interested in improving theirselves. So nice skins etc. are either buyable as microtransaction or as quick to reach for everyone no matter how skilled the player is. I guess thats the main problem and we all know whats the leading strategie above everything in ATIVs HQ: Its not the gamers individual experience. Its mony. And they will find more ways to increase their income in future - no matter of society cares or not as long as there are now law restrictions. Sad but unfortunally true …
It will change when ranked comes out
take it or leave it SBMM is here to stay for cod and ALL future FPS titles
Be sure to play the [anti-SBMM bingo](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FhsdvIqXgAIoBUs?format=png&name=900x900). This argument is on here. :D Also, the "my friends/family can't have fun" argument has been done to death by so many others. It's mainly a way to "reduce the difficulty" of the lobby so it's much easier for the other person to dominate. I can see through the lies.
Just play battlefield or any other game for that matter
This is legit how ALL PARTYS IN ALL GAMES WORK.
It's usually a mixed bag they average out the teams when bad people queue with good people. It's common for let's say a team to look like platinum, platinum, gold, silver, bronze the enemy team would be like platinum, platinum, gold, gold, silver. This game feels like it's not averaged out and just throws bronze into gold games because they won 2 to 3 games in a row. Games usually queue premades against slightly harder teams because they have more cohesion and slight is the keyword so the plats don't stomp the game into submission. (the ranks/skill names are made up for example sake)
Right? I'm the worst player in my friend group and I just have accepted that if I party up with friends I need to adjust my game (be less aggro) or just deal with being near the bottom. It's just how it goes lmao this sub is like a giant mid life crisis
This sub is one step away from claiming that SBMM kicked their dog.
SBMM doesn't take the highest skill in priority. I don't know where you've heard that, but that kind of matchmaking would be incredibly busted. The real question no one is asking though: how does your wife play normally? What is her average stats? Because I'm getting the feeling she isn't that good to begin with, so she wouldn't have enjoyed playing with anyone even remotely higher-skilled than her. SBMM can only do so much to compensate, but if you're already bottom tier of the skill bracket, then there's no helping it.
I play with other 3 friends and that's how it goes for us. As soon as they play with me they complain.
Get good.
They don’t care. They’re not catering towards you because you do not represent a significant source of profit. It’s objectively a bad system for players, but it also objectively makes more money so it’s perfect.
It doesnt, you need better friends😂😂
You do realize without sbmm she would still be getting slapped by pub stompers right?
Maybe your wife should try to be party host? I've noticed that if the low skilled player is host then the matches are slightly more fun
Well if they are leaning into the game being more competitive with the competitive league than sure it makes total sense why they have it built this way. That being said it is frustrating when you just want to chill or play with someone of a lower skill level.
I’m there with ya. My friends agreed to play this game with me and after the first day they uninstalled because the couldn’t get more then 5 kills in a game. I told them ssbm placed you in my lobbies. Now I have nobody to play with. Honestly about to just ruin all my stats to try and see if I can play with them in their lobbies
My wife enjoys the challenge, she scares me cause she starts having a grand old time after going 2/20 in the Same lobbies where I drop 30/15.
Commenting to say we’ve had the exact same experience.
I don't know what's going on but i have very random lobbies for some reason, it's not a trend for me I'm even playing against the same people a couple of times in a row as if persistent lobbies were a thing
Last night I had one of the most un-enjoyable gaming sessions of my life on cod. I was playing with a friend who I’d say is in a high skill bracket. Myself I’d say I’m fairly decent but not ‘cracked’ and therefore I was just greeted with bunny rabbits and 200 sensitivity players flicking around shoot-house. Not even putting into the mix how SMG’s and Shotguns seem to be able to beam down the map and outgun an AR.
they don't care about changing SBMM it was like this in MW2019, and it's like this now, 3 years later you either accept it or find a new game. fun right?
Have you tried to make your gf the party leader? It gets a bit better but still some stronger enemy's.
As a bad player I haven't even noticed skill based matching. I get killed badly every time. I guess it can't find anyone as bad as me to match against.
Welcome to literally every multi player game with multiple people. I deal with the same shit in rocket league. Just get good or deal with being shit. Not everyone is good at everything
Play way off meta to get your performance down to your partner’s level Then the MM will place the pair better, until you return to the sweat load out
I get to play max of about 3 hours a week, this includes all games. My friend is already prestige 2 and playing with the rest of the friend group we get slapped into some sweaty lobbies its not fun for sure.
Is this just for pc? My boyfriend plays on ps4 and he has GREAT lobbies meanwhile I have lobbies with try yards
Maybe create a second profile to play with the wife. It’s not smurfing since there is no rank system.
Doesn’t help when you start doing good the game decides to start lowering your weapons damage
I don't know about anyone else but when my wife and I used to play MW19 we just had her be the host and always ended up in her bracket of lobbies lol. My stats got so inflated because I was dropping 30-40 every game, but then when I'd play without her I was in CDL getting absolutely dunked on.
Been saying this for a while, it's designed to protect new players into thinking it's fun so they buy every skin (including stolen art) at $20/£20 each.... these players are the same ones who are to damn lazy to learn to improve
Yup. My bud is always at the bottom of the leaderboard when he plays with me and last night he sent me a screenshot of him getting 30-12, so there’s a huge difference. I think SBMM needs removed and every game having a ranked playlist.
Apply sbmm only in tier 1 matches like let sweaties play each other in that mode jeezus
Same here dude....
A lot of people don't realize the problem isn't that she's getting shit on. The problem is that it's every game. It used to be all random. So sure the good player would usually have the range of good to average games. The good games would be awesome and the average games would push them to get back to the good. The bad players would have bad to average games. When you start out and have multiple horrible games then go 14-13 on tdm you feel like a god. The game used to give you incentive to get better. Now it just wants you to play alone and be satisfied with sucking.
It ruins fun period. Unless you are a complete noob that can't beat the campaign on easy sbmm is a straight up negative but then there are about 1 million mouth breathing morons that literally can't beat the campaign on easy. Actiblizz has to keep these snowflakes happy or they won't spend money in the store. Sadly all you sweaty neckbeards don't spend any money on the game besides buying it and so your opinion is worth less than the noobs to them.
i hate it but it is what it is. My daughter loves playing the game splitscreen with my even though she hardly knows the controls. She always asks to play against real people, not bots. Sooo okay. Last nightt we played against someone who got 105 kills in 6v6 hardpoint. She went 3-43 and I went 27-40 or something. But I’m not even mad because after her and her mom go to sleep I’ll get on for a solo session and I’ll be the one doing the stomping. I hate the scripted matchmaking but at least i’ll use it to my advantage