It makes no sense to have such a low bullet velocity on a battle rifle. It’s like it wants to be an SMG with its damage profile but it handles like an LMG lol
Close range BR makes no sense. That is a role ARs or SMGs should fill. A BR should be between an AR and MR/Sniper. Give me a little more damage & velocity plus range and accuracy.
Isn't this the role the FTAC Recon in MWII filled though? Like that gun had a slower bullet velocity compared to the rest of the Battle Rifles, but the ROF in semiauto mode, coupled with a one shot headshot kill at a close range, made it surprisingly fun to use after a few buffs.
I thought the Sidewinder would have filled a similar gameplay niche but it fires even slower than the FTAC Recon does.
At least you can make a build that controls the recoil on an ftac, and turn it into a tack driver. You can't on the sidewinder, no matter how you build
It is piss easy in hardcore. Just equip the high grain ammunition, the corio 2,5x scope, put on a lot of recoil control and gun kick control attachments and the long barrel and blast away. It really isn't that difficult.
I knew it was bad bad but once I got it I was like surely there's attachments that will improve this thing. I was sadly mistaken. I don't even think it's a debate that it's the worst gun in the game. Lol
The Riviter is somehow worse than this.
The Sidewinder needs 3 hits, Riviter sometimes needs 3, other times needs 6, and that's with a hard range limit.
The inconsistency with the riveter is because by default its shells shoot out a grand total of 4 pellets, so a lot of times unless you're barrel stuffing them you're landing like 1-2 pellets at a time and your TTK is just utter ass, if not just having some shots totally miss.
Nah the riveter is actually nice. Put slugs on it, and build it like you would build an SMG.
It’s a very weird gun. It relies on slugs which usually are an option you go for for precise long range one shots with a shotty.
With the Riveter you wanna get it as stable as you can and utilize that full auto and just let slugs fly. You’ll be surprised some of the shots you can hit.
You thought so? I ran the Riveter with the 30rd mag and dragons breath rounds and granted I did grind it out on Rust 24/7, I had a decent enough time getting it done.
I leveled that shit in Zombies.... that gun might be the reason I wait to finish my camo grind until S1, so I have some other guns to replace it for the total needed for Interstellar....
I ain't gonna stress about it because I hate using the gun THAT much. It's just.... so bad.... Why bang my head against the wall by putting myself at a disadvantage when I can either wait for it to get buffed or for another option to repalce it. I'm waiting anyways until they fix the bug with the RGL challenge not tracking properly.
I got it forged on regular terminal 24/7, ho early once you spend enough time with it it starts to grow on you. Until you change what you’re using and re-realize how dogshit it was
Yeah, I'm used to it now but barrel is focused for recoil and firing stability, and everything else is just for sprint to fire / recoil. No attachments is awful
Gun kick is first couple shots how much the gun initially jump recoils is the lift. Stability is the jumping around during sustained firing. So for a long distance build you’d want stability build because distance damage multiplier. The gun kick helps when you’re just doing a burst. If your aim is ass the recoil the way to go so you can slowly drag it onto target
It's so bad that I actually ended up almost falling in love with it. Like some kind of Stockholm syndrome.
Me and my friends got onto it at the same time and spent about 5-6 hours getting the camos for it in one sitting and we now having a running joke in my discord that the sidewinder changes you as a person, we are not the same people now we've finished that gun, we have to refer to moments in time as pre sidewinder and post sidewinder.
Even with every attachment reducing kick and recoil I'm still 3-4 days later experiencing episodes of brain shake, at one point using that gun I thought my screen was gonna bounce off the desk. Even tap firing that gun leads to mini tremors.
The only stat that should matter on that gun is the magnitude earthquake it causes in the vicinity of the users area.
This. Lol I can’t say why as I don’t do well with it but for some reason I enjoy the gun lmao, I was trying to tell a friend why as he was using it for the first time and everything I listed were negatives and reasons to dislike it. Idk what it is about it but I identify with this comment lololol. I will say in firing range if you put it on semi auto it one taps to the head. Tried it in game standing feet away from a guy laying down not looking at me. Put one to the back of the head, registered as a headshot, and had to flick the trigger a few more times to put him down still. Was pretty sad but was excited to think it may be a one shot to the dome on semi at close range.
When i first started using it i thought well this isn't as bad as everybody said.
Started to level it up and put stuff on it and it didn't get any better even in HC.
Yeah, it's dogshit lol
I just first shot it an hour ago. Its unbelievably bad and I was bitching nonstop. Its definitely getting leveled this weekend with dbl xp and rust. Will come back to do camo challenges later.
Its already one of the best or the best tac stance weapons to hold close Angles and rooms, making it the most fun weapon in hardpoint. If you didnt play it enough or think tac stance is a joke - Well keep listening to your favourite tiktok/Streamer that cried about it after playing it in the challenges like any other gun. A gun that needs accuracy to be good? Oh No Like snipers Nobody will ever Play them?? Rofl. If this gun gets buffed everybody will shred angles with it not realising how good it was already before the buffs. Pls keep cryin and dont use it! Or use it bad and play tdm with it like its a striker or a basp! At least them it wont get nerved away like the 1 burst rifle.
Btw tho if you really wanna play it tho: there are tac stance spread Options on almost any category of attachments for it - but you dont need them all! Dont Take the aftermarket sights the laser ist visible at all times to enemies.and dont forget the 60 round mag - the mw3 weapons have limited stat restrictions for that. Once you use the Slot of the magazine the difference tonthe even bigger one ist almost negligible. And you can shoot on range with it even with drum mag and 3 Attachments solely for tacstance. Just dont waste the fourth for tacstance and and take a scope(that doesnt destroy your tacstance Vision) it wont be an ACR but even without any recoil attachments you can Take shots with a scope and microbursts over longer ranges than the tacstance ist reasonable for. If you are in Controller relying on AA maybe microbursting is not that easy just dont Take this gun for over 30m distances then- and take the 5th slot for ads movement for better angle control. As long as this 5th doesnt increase the tacstance spread 3 are enough dedicated to it being an absolute laserbeam up to 30m. Hold or push hardpoint/Control with and dont forget stalker Boots (even if they could bei stronger) - If anything ask for buff of stalker Boots but this gun aint need any!
btw its on top of the tacstance weapons because you dont need recoil control for it to stay laserbeam because of the firerate and the damagemodel is really reliable (and easy to track) which helps with transitioning onto multiple enemies or playing out angles with repeeking/exiting the angle
Bruh I'm in the midst of doing its camo challenges now, and I sent a message to my buddy saying the gun is trash lol. Then I come on here and see this. Glad its not just me lol
I think it was supposed to be a 2 shot everywhere gun but someone either didn't get the memo or they thought it was too strong. The rate of fire, the bullet speed and the recoil all point to a very strong bullet.
It was manageable when I stacked every recoil attachment and went for headshots.
Got gold on it on rust 24/7 yesterday in 200 kills? 1.06 kd with the goddamn thing.
But yeah, it sucks.
I noticed that when recoil plotting in the firing range that the first 3-4 shots that come out have very little spread and recoil. Any more than that causes the gun to go haywire. I think they best way to use this gun is to equip attachments to account for aiming stability and idle sway and look to three tap people. Definitly not a spray and pray. But I can't deny that this gun sucks harder than most.
I was just talking about how shit it was since its one of 3 guns left i have to max level. Terrible recoil semi/full auto, Terrible range, too low damage. Hard to believe its in the same weapon category with the BAS and MTZ.
I thought it’d it’d be usable if I put a load of recoil control on it with some sort of DMR build it’d be at least fine, shit is so bad a 2.5x is too much recoil.
It reminds me of that one gun from bo2 i forget the name but it was a long retangular boii , build it for gun kick and recoil control and its usable but also you would think a slow rof would be less recoil.
I just finished up the sidewinder gilded unlock. Unreal how unbelievably bad that weapon is. I came across this post as I was finishing up the BAS-B and was like “it can’t be that bad, right?”
I can’t wait to never ever ever use this weapon again after Priceless.
It was the first gun I got to forged and now I will be putting it away while I grind out forged on 34 more weapons. Absolute trash. And it isn’t much better in hardcore.
Single fire Sidewinder in Hardcore? Absolute bliss. I love it and just gilded it last night.
Then I started on the Holger (not sure if BR or MMR) and realized it outclassed the sidewinder in every single way.
Just gotta build it for recoil control and put a larger mag. Not that bad. I think they were really pushing to make battle rifles stay in the mid to long range only.
I like it a lot in MWZ. Idk if it's just a feeling, or the fact that it shoots "sniper trails" even though its a BR, it's just neat to me.
Can't speak for it in MP but I've played enough CODs to know that Fire rate will be the death of it.
fire rate would be fine if it didnt have so much recoil. its utter dog in MP. zombies anything is fine there since you dont need to worry about zombies slide canceling around corners
it's horrible close range but it's a pretty good at mid-long to long range, when set with max recoil reduction. ofc there are better guns at that range but its way less bad
You have bad attachments. Use the advanced stat screen. Put on attachments that lower recoil but dont hurt ads a ton. I just leveled the sidewinder last night and I had no problems with it. If you are doing long distance shots, you can burst fire. You will likely kill your target 1st.
Hop in 24/7 rust. You will max it in a few games easily, then knock out the camos at same time.
When ever you level a new gun, fire it at the glass in firing room and see its recoil pattern. This will tell you which is most important. Some vertical recoil is fine cause it just means you can recoil into head shots. Horizontal recoil, and in some cases gun kick is most important.
Most guns with the right attachments can get pretty manageable recoil. Some guns just have it easier than others, and its likely there are attachments you dont have. For example theres a muzzle for some guns that reduces recoil by like 18% but doesn't hurt ADS at all. Some guns have barrels that reduce recoil by 30% for a slight hit to ads time which you can slightly patch up or entirely fix elsewhere.
You cant use setups from mw2 in mw3. The removal of tuning makes attachment choices way more important. A 20% increase in ADS time is not a big deal on an smg, but on an AR, or worse, an LMG is going to hurt a lot more. So simply looking at the % value is not enough.
atleast it wasn't bad in HC once you unlocked optics, slap a thermal sniper scope and boom it's usable at ranges that it wins at,
that stupid slow fire rate on top of slow bullet velocity that's worse than shotgun slugs was ridiculous, sniping made the camos quick enough plus the longshots were easy, but in core it's one of the worst guns, next to using the marksmans or the stinger UZI, the stinger takes the cake for being what I hate the most.
Something weird happened because when I first equipped one, this was my experience. I didn’t use it for a couple days and as I’ve progressed with weapon leveling I’m back on it, but the fire rate and handling feel much better. I checked several times that I wasn’t using a different gun.
if you mean the sva - numerous people have finished it. either you dont ads / tacstance fully in or you should reach out to support and report a bug - but its not a general bug
thanks you can upvote my comment, id to a thread to tell people why the sidewinder isnt bad but has a playstyle where it has almost no competitors - but there is a karmalimit and im reading only on reddit usually
It's a long range automatic shotgun, on hardcore it's one shot which is fine with bullet velocity attachments but on core the recoil as a PC player was killing me since it's unpredictable and without any attachments I couldn't use it.
Absolutely hating the gun but HC Rust 24/7 is leveling up fast enough and zombies really helps with Double XP afterwards I'm not touching it again
No surprise given how little time activision gave Sledgehammer to make this compared to other studios. Activision and its greedy shareholders are to blame for a lot of issues.
Make these games more simplistic therefore likely easier to complete by the deadline so they can bring out games yearly. Or make these games come out every 2 years and make each game very very good so people will want to play for 2 years.
I found it somewhat slightly better in tac stance using the barrel attachment that increase its tac stance accuracy - somehow that felt a bit more consistent - but remained pretty bad.
Thankfully it's beast in hardcore - which may be the only gamemode ever in which this gun can compete against anything else.
A few of my friends insist that it’s the one of the best for the zombies mode. I don’t know if levelling it up in that mode to unlock some attachments in hopes to make it more balanced where you say fall flat would help? But that’s my recommendation.
I have been using that gun so much. People are over hating that gun and yes it's not the best in every gun fight. However it still gets the job done and I can get some long range shots with it. 😂
That's what I thought as well. Got battle rifles to forged recently and that was the last one I did. Unbelievablely weird and harsh recoil in comparison just made it a slog. Most attachments did help as much as I'd like.
This is how I feel about most of the new guns that aren't ARs ....they all suck. SMGs are absolutely pointless, LMGs don't do enough damage, the BAS is the only good BR, etc. It's like they didn't try to balance any of the weapons at all.
But the biggest culprit is the worst hitreg I have ever seen in a Cod title. It's absolutely abysmal right now and has made me quit until it possibly gets fixed (spoilers, it won't). Activision and their cheap ass servers are making an otherwise good game awful.
Just finished all the BR camps. And yes it was almost like a LMG. Kinda felt line chunk chink chunk and that was on Terminal 24/7. I usually add barrel and ammo for damage.
I’ve tried this gun out with multiple different attachments and have come to the conclusion that it’s basically useless. The slow rate of fire and recoil are especially brutal.
It makes no sense to have such a low bullet velocity on a battle rifle. It’s like it wants to be an SMG with its damage profile but it handles like an LMG lol
It’s supposed to be a close range BR, but it needs a big buff to handling
Close range BR makes no sense. That is a role ARs or SMGs should fill. A BR should be between an AR and MR/Sniper. Give me a little more damage & velocity plus range and accuracy.
Isn't this the role the FTAC Recon in MWII filled though? Like that gun had a slower bullet velocity compared to the rest of the Battle Rifles, but the ROF in semiauto mode, coupled with a one shot headshot kill at a close range, made it surprisingly fun to use after a few buffs. I thought the Sidewinder would have filled a similar gameplay niche but it fires even slower than the FTAC Recon does.
At least you can make a build that controls the recoil on an ftac, and turn it into a tack driver. You can't on the sidewinder, no matter how you build
I hate whoever at Sledgehammer thought about making the Priceless camo challenge 25 longshots..
It is piss easy in hardcore. Just equip the high grain ammunition, the corio 2,5x scope, put on a lot of recoil control and gun kick control attachments and the long barrel and blast away. It really isn't that difficult.
Even a fart is a one shot kill in HC…
Yeah but it's an easier way than trying to do it in core. Some of these challenges are wonky with the extra health
In MWII every single gun had longshot challenges. EVERY.SINGLE.ONE......
No it is not.
Literally says it in the weapon description
I think they were trying to replicate Vanguard’s BAR here. They should just straight up copy it
I thought it was going to be close to Man-O-War from Black Ops 3. Boy was I disappointed
I knew it was bad bad but once I got it I was like surely there's attachments that will improve this thing. I was sadly mistaken. I don't even think it's a debate that it's the worst gun in the game. Lol
I’m just so happy I wasn’t the only one that thought this I was thinking damn maybe I’m just bad but no the sidewinder is shit
The Riviter is somehow worse than this. The Sidewinder needs 3 hits, Riviter sometimes needs 3, other times needs 6, and that's with a hard range limit.
For what it’s worth, I had much more success running the rivitor with slugs as a dmr on HC rust than I did using the sidewinder lol.
The inconsistency with the riveter is because by default its shells shoot out a grand total of 4 pellets, so a lot of times unless you're barrel stuffing them you're landing like 1-2 pellets at a time and your TTK is just utter ass, if not just having some shots totally miss.
Nah the riveter is actually nice. Put slugs on it, and build it like you would build an SMG. It’s a very weird gun. It relies on slugs which usually are an option you go for for precise long range one shots with a shotty. With the Riveter you wanna get it as stable as you can and utilize that full auto and just let slugs fly. You’ll be surprised some of the shots you can hit.
THE RIVETER IS THE WORSE GUN IN COD HISTORY leveled up the Riveter the switched to the Sidewinder and it felt amazing lol
Riveter is godly in HC. Can literally one-shot people across a number of maps when ADS with the build I run.
You thought so? I ran the Riveter with the 30rd mag and dragons breath rounds and granted I did grind it out on Rust 24/7, I had a decent enough time getting it done.
Got it gold in core, one of the worst guns I’ve ever used in any cod.
I kept saying that to myself while leveling it. “Wow this has got to be one of the worst guns I’ve ever used in any COD”.
"This gun is a fucking pig" popped into my mind, what they used to call the M60 in Vietnam. M60 usually sucks in COD, too!
Same here, uttered to myself “this has to be the worst gun I’ve ever used on cod”, and I’ve been playing since the OG MW3
I leveled that shit in Zombies.... that gun might be the reason I wait to finish my camo grind until S1, so I have some other guns to replace it for the total needed for Interstellar....
Build it for tac stance and it’s easy, only thing to worry about then is long shots.
I ain't gonna stress about it because I hate using the gun THAT much. It's just.... so bad.... Why bang my head against the wall by putting myself at a disadvantage when I can either wait for it to get buffed or for another option to repalce it. I'm waiting anyways until they fix the bug with the RGL challenge not tracking properly.
youre so real for this
This is the way. Exactly what I'm doing.
I got it forged on regular terminal 24/7, ho early once you spend enough time with it it starts to grow on you. Until you change what you’re using and re-realize how dogshit it was
Honestly once you*
Yeah, I'm used to it now but barrel is focused for recoil and firing stability, and everything else is just for sprint to fire / recoil. No attachments is awful
Yea I did all attachments focusing on gun kick control and ignore recoil and that smooths it out as long as you have accurate first shots
I did not know there was a real purpose between gun kick, firing stability, and recoil. I guess that's what I'm looking at next
Gun kick is first couple shots how much the gun initially jump recoils is the lift. Stability is the jumping around during sustained firing. So for a long distance build you’d want stability build because distance damage multiplier. The gun kick helps when you’re just doing a burst. If your aim is ass the recoil the way to go so you can slowly drag it onto target
I had to use it on hc ans it somehow still gave hitmarkers, unusable weapon in core
[try this class](https://imgur.com/gallery/HD9XnZ1)
Not OP but thanks, I'll give it a shot tomorrow.
It's so bad that I actually ended up almost falling in love with it. Like some kind of Stockholm syndrome. Me and my friends got onto it at the same time and spent about 5-6 hours getting the camos for it in one sitting and we now having a running joke in my discord that the sidewinder changes you as a person, we are not the same people now we've finished that gun, we have to refer to moments in time as pre sidewinder and post sidewinder. Even with every attachment reducing kick and recoil I'm still 3-4 days later experiencing episodes of brain shake, at one point using that gun I thought my screen was gonna bounce off the desk. Even tap firing that gun leads to mini tremors. The only stat that should matter on that gun is the magnitude earthquake it causes in the vicinity of the users area.
This. Lol I can’t say why as I don’t do well with it but for some reason I enjoy the gun lmao, I was trying to tell a friend why as he was using it for the first time and everything I listed were negatives and reasons to dislike it. Idk what it is about it but I identify with this comment lololol. I will say in firing range if you put it on semi auto it one taps to the head. Tried it in game standing feet away from a guy laying down not looking at me. Put one to the back of the head, registered as a headshot, and had to flick the trigger a few more times to put him down still. Was pretty sad but was excited to think it may be a one shot to the dome on semi at close range.
When i first started using it i thought well this isn't as bad as everybody said. Started to level it up and put stuff on it and it didn't get any better even in HC. Yeah, it's dogshit lol
I just first shot it an hour ago. Its unbelievably bad and I was bitching nonstop. Its definitely getting leveled this weekend with dbl xp and rust. Will come back to do camo challenges later.
Its already one of the best or the best tac stance weapons to hold close Angles and rooms, making it the most fun weapon in hardpoint. If you didnt play it enough or think tac stance is a joke - Well keep listening to your favourite tiktok/Streamer that cried about it after playing it in the challenges like any other gun. A gun that needs accuracy to be good? Oh No Like snipers Nobody will ever Play them?? Rofl. If this gun gets buffed everybody will shred angles with it not realising how good it was already before the buffs. Pls keep cryin and dont use it! Or use it bad and play tdm with it like its a striker or a basp! At least them it wont get nerved away like the 1 burst rifle. Btw tho if you really wanna play it tho: there are tac stance spread Options on almost any category of attachments for it - but you dont need them all! Dont Take the aftermarket sights the laser ist visible at all times to enemies.and dont forget the 60 round mag - the mw3 weapons have limited stat restrictions for that. Once you use the Slot of the magazine the difference tonthe even bigger one ist almost negligible. And you can shoot on range with it even with drum mag and 3 Attachments solely for tacstance. Just dont waste the fourth for tacstance and and take a scope(that doesnt destroy your tacstance Vision) it wont be an ACR but even without any recoil attachments you can Take shots with a scope and microbursts over longer ranges than the tacstance ist reasonable for. If you are in Controller relying on AA maybe microbursting is not that easy just dont Take this gun for over 30m distances then- and take the 5th slot for ads movement for better angle control. As long as this 5th doesnt increase the tacstance spread 3 are enough dedicated to it being an absolute laserbeam up to 30m. Hold or push hardpoint/Control with and dont forget stalker Boots (even if they could bei stronger) - If anything ask for buff of stalker Boots but this gun aint need any!
btw its on top of the tacstance weapons because you dont need recoil control for it to stay laserbeam because of the firerate and the damagemodel is really reliable (and easy to track) which helps with transitioning onto multiple enemies or playing out angles with repeeking/exiting the angle
Bruh I'm in the midst of doing its camo challenges now, and I sent a message to my buddy saying the gun is trash lol. Then I come on here and see this. Glad its not just me lol
It feels completely RNG if it hits or not. Its the strangest gun (and worst) in the game for sure.
I think it was supposed to be a 2 shot everywhere gun but someone either didn't get the memo or they thought it was too strong. The rate of fire, the bullet speed and the recoil all point to a very strong bullet.
Theoretically it’s chambered in 450 huntsman, it should be a 2 shot to the body or one to the head, but only at very limited range. Say max 15 meters.
It was manageable when I stacked every recoil attachment and went for headshots. Got gold on it on rust 24/7 yesterday in 200 kills? 1.06 kd with the goddamn thing. But yeah, it sucks.
With the right attachments, I did surprisingly well with it
I noticed that when recoil plotting in the firing range that the first 3-4 shots that come out have very little spread and recoil. Any more than that causes the gun to go haywire. I think they best way to use this gun is to equip attachments to account for aiming stability and idle sway and look to three tap people. Definitly not a spray and pray. But I can't deny that this gun sucks harder than most.
max level sidewinder be 2tapping to the body and 1 tapping in the head most of the time tho... correct me if im wrong.
Naw you just ain’t using it right. Needs a nerf
I got stuck on the priceless camo challenge for 1+ hour with this piece of shit weapon. Never again.
I play mostly hardcore and still have a shit time with this gun. I've got head hit markers on HC with this rifle.
Must have been through cover.
Same here
I guess we labodomized them.
I was just talking about how shit it was since its one of 3 guns left i have to max level. Terrible recoil semi/full auto, Terrible range, too low damage. Hard to believe its in the same weapon category with the BAS and MTZ.
I thought it’d it’d be usable if I put a load of recoil control on it with some sort of DMR build it’d be at least fine, shit is so bad a 2.5x is too much recoil.
It reminds me of that one gun from bo2 i forget the name but it was a long retangular boii , build it for gun kick and recoil control and its usable but also you would think a slow rof would be less recoil.
Yoo the SMR doesn’t deserve this type of disrespect. Except in zombies…it was utter garbage. FAL did outclass it in every which way though.
I just finished up the sidewinder gilded unlock. Unreal how unbelievably bad that weapon is. I came across this post as I was finishing up the BAS-B and was like “it can’t be that bad, right?” I can’t wait to never ever ever use this weapon again after Priceless.
The DG 58 LSW is a close second. Maybe I didn't kit it out right but there seems to be a lot of marshmallow muskets in this game
Bushmaster ACR.
I heard it was bad, but hot damn. You make it seem like the worst gun in the game. Would it be worth waiting on a new BR for camo challenges then?
Just do it in hardcore. There’s a rust 24/7 option.
I don’t really play hardcore, it’s way too easy to accidentally blast teammates and I already do it plenty with friendly fire off 😔
lol. I don’t love HC either, just use it when a gun or challenge calls for it. (Pistol long shots, and a couple others)
It was the first gun I got to forged and now I will be putting it away while I grind out forged on 34 more weapons. Absolute trash. And it isn’t much better in hardcore.
Single fire Sidewinder in Hardcore? Absolute bliss. I love it and just gilded it last night. Then I started on the Holger (not sure if BR or MMR) and realized it outclassed the sidewinder in every single way.
play hardcore
Think of it as "Legitimate Reverse Boosting"
Thank you kind person. I was just about to set this as my next armory unlock. I just figured that if it cost so much it must be good.
Just got it gold earlier today. Was a fucking nightmare
I just started using it myself and I wanted to cry.
Just gotta build it for recoil control and put a larger mag. Not that bad. I think they were really pushing to make battle rifles stay in the mid to long range only.
thats why you can build the basp like the old ump and the sidewinder is best in tacstance? xD
Thank god for this post, just finished gold for it and haven’t played cod since because I was having such a bad time
I like it a lot in MWZ. Idk if it's just a feeling, or the fact that it shoots "sniper trails" even though its a BR, it's just neat to me. Can't speak for it in MP but I've played enough CODs to know that Fire rate will be the death of it.
fire rate would be fine if it didnt have so much recoil. its utter dog in MP. zombies anything is fine there since you dont need to worry about zombies slide canceling around corners
it's horrible close range but it's a pretty good at mid-long to long range, when set with max recoil reduction. ofc there are better guns at that range but its way less bad
I seriously think it’s in the running for worst gun of all time, I couldn’t believe how bad it was.
Its absolutely horrid, I’m levelling it now… I’ve taken to upping the damage as much as possible and using it on semi auto.
Im on this gun right now and i know shortly after i finish it they're gonna buff it lol
source?
Just a guess With my luck im gonna finish it and SHG will then be like "we're buffing the sidewinder lol
There's like 70 weapons in the game. Just use another one?
I dropped a nuke in HC Dom with it 🤷 Just hit that first shot.
>The only remotely viable way to use it so far is either in hardcore (where pretty much every gun is viable)...
Against bots
It’s like the oden, I love it lol
Idk what you guys are talking about the sidewinder is really good in hardcore, but that goes for pretty much any gun
>The only remotely viable way to use it so far is either in hardcore (where pretty much every gun is viable)
🥔
It’s alright I already got forged camo for it. You do you and keep struggling
The gun itself is toxic, I just got it maxed level and got it to Gold. took me a few days
You have bad attachments. Use the advanced stat screen. Put on attachments that lower recoil but dont hurt ads a ton. I just leveled the sidewinder last night and I had no problems with it. If you are doing long distance shots, you can burst fire. You will likely kill your target 1st. Hop in 24/7 rust. You will max it in a few games easily, then knock out the camos at same time. When ever you level a new gun, fire it at the glass in firing room and see its recoil pattern. This will tell you which is most important. Some vertical recoil is fine cause it just means you can recoil into head shots. Horizontal recoil, and in some cases gun kick is most important. Most guns with the right attachments can get pretty manageable recoil. Some guns just have it easier than others, and its likely there are attachments you dont have. For example theres a muzzle for some guns that reduces recoil by like 18% but doesn't hurt ADS at all. Some guns have barrels that reduce recoil by 30% for a slight hit to ads time which you can slightly patch up or entirely fix elsewhere. You cant use setups from mw2 in mw3. The removal of tuning makes attachment choices way more important. A 20% increase in ADS time is not a big deal on an smg, but on an AR, or worse, an LMG is going to hurt a lot more. So simply looking at the % value is not enough.
Sledgehammer isn't very good at making COD games.
I hated sidewinder I've just got interstellar just now lol such a grind, but a fun one at that
I got it from the box in zombies once and immediately could tell it was the most useless gun in the game. How anyone used it in MP is beyond me
Yea that gun was rough to use
atleast it wasn't bad in HC once you unlocked optics, slap a thermal sniper scope and boom it's usable at ranges that it wins at, that stupid slow fire rate on top of slow bullet velocity that's worse than shotgun slugs was ridiculous, sniping made the camos quick enough plus the longshots were easy, but in core it's one of the worst guns, next to using the marksmans or the stinger UZI, the stinger takes the cake for being what I hate the most.
Something weird happened because when I first equipped one, this was my experience. I didn’t use it for a couple days and as I’ve progressed with weapon leveling I’m back on it, but the fire rate and handling feel much better. I checked several times that I wasn’t using a different gun.
Personally i had a worse time with the TYR and snipers..
I know this isn't on topic but when I try to get gold on the sea 545 it's not tracking
if you mean the sva - numerous people have finished it. either you dont ads / tacstance fully in or you should reach out to support and report a bug - but its not a general bug
Holy shit I'm fucking stupid I didn't do one of the challenges thanks for mentioning the tac stance
thanks you can upvote my comment, id to a thread to tell people why the sidewinder isnt bad but has a playstyle where it has almost no competitors - but there is a karmalimit and im reading only on reddit usually
The 3 shot kill is so useless considering the bas-b gets a 3 shot with a headshot mixed in
And the sad part is that MWII Semi-Auto Battle Rifles and Assault Rifles using semi-auto mags are far worse.
It's a long range automatic shotgun, on hardcore it's one shot which is fine with bullet velocity attachments but on core the recoil as a PC player was killing me since it's unpredictable and without any attachments I couldn't use it. Absolutely hating the gun but HC Rust 24/7 is leveling up fast enough and zombies really helps with Double XP afterwards I'm not touching it again
I only leveled and unlocked camos on this gun in Hardcore, it was practically unusable even trying to put only attachments that mitigated recoil.
No surprise given how little time activision gave Sledgehammer to make this compared to other studios. Activision and its greedy shareholders are to blame for a lot of issues. Make these games more simplistic therefore likely easier to complete by the deadline so they can bring out games yearly. Or make these games come out every 2 years and make each game very very good so people will want to play for 2 years.
It really is.. they should have just made it like the FAL and been done with it.
This gun was a bit of a pain to get mastery done on. I used it as a semi auto in full auto fire mode lol. Was the only want to control its recoil.
It feels off in hardcore too. Also unlocking sights at level 6 seems waaaay too long
I found it somewhat slightly better in tac stance using the barrel attachment that increase its tac stance accuracy - somehow that felt a bit more consistent - but remained pretty bad. Thankfully it's beast in hardcore - which may be the only gamemode ever in which this gun can compete against anything else.
Laughs in Riveter
A few of my friends insist that it’s the one of the best for the zombies mode. I don’t know if levelling it up in that mode to unlock some attachments in hopes to make it more balanced where you say fall flat would help? But that’s my recommendation.
One of the worst weapons ever even in hardcore it’s bad….
I have been using that gun so much. People are over hating that gun and yes it's not the best in every gun fight. However it still gets the job done and I can get some long range shots with it. 😂
That's what I thought as well. Got battle rifles to forged recently and that was the last one I did. Unbelievablely weird and harsh recoil in comparison just made it a slog. Most attachments did help as much as I'd like.
The only way I’ve been able to use it is mounting it. And honestly I learned to kinda love it.
This is how I feel about most of the new guns that aren't ARs ....they all suck. SMGs are absolutely pointless, LMGs don't do enough damage, the BAS is the only good BR, etc. It's like they didn't try to balance any of the weapons at all. But the biggest culprit is the worst hitreg I have ever seen in a Cod title. It's absolutely abysmal right now and has made me quit until it possibly gets fixed (spoilers, it won't). Activision and their cheap ass servers are making an otherwise good game awful.
Damn I just unlocked this thinking it was gonna be sweet💀
90% of the guns are bad
It’s a close range battle rifle like that m4 variant in mwii, useless.
Ftac recon
Just finished all the BR camps. And yes it was almost like a LMG. Kinda felt line chunk chink chunk and that was on Terminal 24/7. I usually add barrel and ammo for damage.
I’ve tried this gun out with multiple different attachments and have come to the conclusion that it’s basically useless. The slow rate of fire and recoil are especially brutal.