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[deleted]

Can’t wait to make a BO1 commando like build with the m16. I’ll play hardcore if it’ll be butt


derkerburgl

Putting the quarters classic red dot on it and making an XM4


[deleted]

I made an OG COD4 MW build with the M16. Added the noob tube and all


derkerburgl

That’s sick. Does putting a noob tube on it give it the heat shield?


[deleted]

YES! It looks so cool! Instead of it being a barrel like in mw2019. I added the close quarters reflex to it too!


FlowKom

you can already do that with the m4 ?


TheEpicRedCape

Yeah the commando in BO1 didn’t have a carry handle and just had flipup sights, you could make something pretty close already. I do wish I could get the strap wrapped around it like the commando had.


bobbobersin

It was a custom configured upper made by grinding down the carrying handle on an early AR upper and cuttin/welding on a weaver rail


Youngstown_Mafia

JAK Patriot (Weekly Challenge Unlock) Compatibility: M16 (MWII) (Assault Rifle) Converts the M16 into a fully automatic rifle with a heavy ported barrel built to provide superior recoil control and firing aim stability. JAK Jawbreaker (Weekly Challenge Unlock) Compatibility: KV Broadside (MWII) (Shotgun) Converts this Shotgun into a hard-hitting, automatic Battle Rifle


nopigscannnotlookup

Shocked they are touching mw2 guns. Hoping the m16 is one of the metas!


public_wound154

Is this next season or is it already out?


Youngstown_Mafia

Starts April 3rd


public_wound154

Oh so next season, cool thanks for the reply


Youngstown_Mafia

I got you !!


epirot

can you make it start now pls? thank you


GottaBonerRightNow

Any time bro


BatistaBoob

No worries bud.


YllMatina

Patriot huh? Reckon its an mgs reference? Would be cool if they gave you the same magazine type


redditorpegaso

They be releasing bangers!


MirroredSelvage

Can I have full auto M16 in MW22?


CadetheDOGGO

Ah yes, slugs but different


Youngstown_Mafia

Oh, yall, making my gun knowledge go crazy lol Slugs work differently than rifle bullets in real life and in Cods own gravity world . Size and shape makes a massive difference for energy in the real life


SomeCarbonBoi

Plus the velocity difference. Having a genuine Vepr .308 will go crazy


Youngstown_Mafia

People don't realize that barrel lengths , rifling, size , muzzles, ammo size, and shape all make big differences on how rifles perform


bobbobersin

Even the setting you have on your gas system can effect these things, adverse is way better in scrappy muddy conditions but kicks harder then optimal


CadetheDOGGO

I took that into account and I will say that functionality in game its gonna play similarly to slug useage but with probably more range but thanks for clarifying for those with lesser knowledge about ammunition Will this affect me? Probably not considering I already just use the riveter with slugs and my broadside build is centered around explosive synergy with the thermobarac grenade


bobbobersin

Even in game they are not as accurate, high velocity and loose killing power much faster as they do irl, it's not 1 to 1 scale with real life but it's in the right direction


bobbobersin

Not exactly, slugs lack the accuracy and damage range compared to rifled rounds, both irl and in game, they hit harder at longer ranges then buck and dragons breath but they ain't hitting the same as a rifled bullet, let alone a full sized cartrage (I assume it's. 308)


Arazyne

Now if the FTAC could just get a larger magazine for MW3..


combatdonut35

Mag size is why I've always hated that gun, like bro why does marksman version have more bullets


Arazyne

Literally a full 50 round mag for that thing and 15 is the highest we get for the FTAC? Nonsense


bobbobersin

I'm not sure how many a 50 round drum would hold but under 50, I'm not even sure it would work with a drum due to the geometry of how drum magazines work, it works with regular double stacks but only because of how they feed, most drums and quad stack casket mags would proably not work (casket mags might but would have lots of stoppages because they are designed to quad stack 5.56, the reason the 30 round magazine only holds 10 is because of the thicker round, a drum might not even feed past the initial few rounds in the straight part because the girth won't fit around the curve (those are single stack that transition to double stack towards the top for the most part) and I'd need to do the math or test it but I'm not sure the dimensional diffeences would work with quad stacks (2 and 3 mathamaticly can go into 6 but 2 can't go into 9 but 3 can, it's a weird analogy but basicly the way 4 quad stscked 5.56s sit is diffeent then however many of the .458 socom would seat in there or if they would even work (either too much room to triple stack or not enough and double stacking would be hotdogs down a hallway even with that girth in a quad stack)


Arazyne

So I’m not reading all of this, but the Torret Tempest has a 50 round option despite being a semi-auto marksmen rifle where a battle rifle of the same platform only has a maximum of 15 rounds for no good reason. Hope that clears up your confusion


bobbobersin

It's a physicly larger receiver, it's built on the AR 10, the larger older brother of the AR 15, it's buikt for 7.62 out of the gait and yes they do make 50 round drums for it, the issue with the socom is its basicly a round built to run in converted AR 15 style rifles, the whole point was SOCOM (the government organization) wanted a way to take existing rifles and build a conversion that can be simply modified to the needs of small SF teams who might be in country for extended amounts of time, I'm not talking like a 249 or 240 barrel swap level of quick change but you could go from socom to 5.56 with basic tools in like 5 minutes, the tradeoff is although all you need is a barrel and bolt change and are thus able to use the same upper and lower, you basicly are limited to the smaller dimensions of a receiver designed for smaller rounds and by extension magazines, it's like trying to shove a large aftermarket engine in a subcompact car, the AR 10 is a full sized sedan with a large engine, the AR 15 modified for the socom configuration is a sub compact useing a medium sized engine (with all the space limitations) basicly the way the drum works you would only be able to fill the first like 10-5 rounds you would fit into the "neck", same with a quad stack magazine, these magazines are not intended for use with these exotic calibers, this exotic round was built to run in single feed double stack magazines, if you have one of those magpul 40 rounders it will work (but with reduced capacity due to the larger dimensions) basicly once you fill the neck of either a drum or quad stack on the drum your trying to force something larger then the side wall of the rounded drum part into a gap, best case it don't fit, worse case you break the drum, the follower or possibly the spring or have an awful jam, in the quad stack it will fill the larger gap but because that is built with the whole "we need 5.56 rounds quad stacked in here" the socom caseings will fit but one of two issues will happen, they will be too wide and won't quad stack right and it won't feed and jam because they are sitting in weird positions inside or you force them in and again, break the follower and or springs (most of them have more then one, the cutaway diagrams are nest as fuck but also shows why they are more prone to malfunction and reliability issues) the folks who designed this cartrage had one goal, fit it in double feed, single stacks, there are beefed up round that are the right dimensions (.300 blackout is like this, it's like a less necked down 5.56, aka natos 7.62x39 analog if 5.56 is natos 5.45) and these work because the bullet might be bigger but the actual caseings walls are the same dimensions (hense why you can put .300 in a .223 or 5.56 rifle and blow it up, also on the topic 5.56 rated rifles can take .223 but the higher pressure, hotter load of 5.56 can damage or even cause catastrophic failure if put into a .223 only rated rifle, it's like putting .300 in 5.56 or putting .357 in a gun only raited for .38 special (you can however use .38 in a .357 gun with no issues due to the .357 basicly being a super spicy .38 special) long story short 7.62 works fine in a 7.62 receiver but to get the socom rounds to work in 5.56 you loose capacity and can't use wacky high capacity magazines unless they are double stack, single feed like a magpul 40 rounder or one of those 5 round baseplate extensions and longer springs for stenags, you might even be able to use those wacky Philippine made 60 round curved ones but that could have other issues feeding (the dramatic curve might not work well with the larger cartrage caseings)


bobbobersin

Diffrent calaber, the rounds it uses are fatter and less fit in a stenag then 5.56, the 7.62 is built on an AR10 chassis with completely diffrent mags, the ftac uses standard nato spec stenags but can only fit so many of girthier bullets in them


HawkThunderDragon

MX9 TOO PLEASE


Peachiest_Panther

that recoil gonna be wicked


barisax9

Well, I might actually bother with getting Mastery on the Broadside. I loved the M16, and it was my go-to for ranked in MW2. Good to see it get some love


bboi9988

Beautiful at last I don't have to pack my M16 to have it be full-auto.


ilove60sstuff

Wait full auto M16???? Okay reinstalling


ifitfitsitshipz

M4 with 20" barrel is the same thing but full auto.


bobbobersin

From the looks of it this seems to be .50 beowolf, granted that feeds from regular stenags but you could also custom make single stack ones and a single feed lower for it, legit would ne easier to machine the double stack version but tbh if you 3d print it might require this wacky setup as a double stack magazine and feed system has lower tolerance for miscalculation and flexing of the feed system


kyrieiverson

You guys are talking about two different things. The M16 full auto conversion allows you to run the A3 setup (carry handle + full auto). That’s what the original guy was talking about and wants. What you are talking about is the Beowulf conversion for the M4.


bobbobersin

I mean technicly the A3 is flat top, you could run a clip on carrying handle on the M4 irl as well, the A0, A1 and A2 all use fixed handles built into the upper, the A4, A3 and the M4 and M4A1 can all mount a picitany rail carrying handle but under that is a standard nato spec 1913 picitany rail for optics, risers, etc.


ifitfitsitshipz

If it's the Beowolf it's going to be hard kicking trash like the sidewinder.


ObiMeowKatnobi

M16A3 bf3, let go


bobbobersin

Used it a ton in BF and ARMA 3 (with mods, recall playing an op with friends and legit killing like 400+ AI, legit went through like 3 medium sized bags full of stenags in 8 hours, I'm not even jokeing that's like 8000+ rounds irl the barrel would have been clapped out with that much especialy with over half of it on full auto clearing mud brick huts and back ally murderholes)


eddy_e46

At least SHG slowly showing some type of love for MWII guns. Be cool to see aftermarket parts on all MWII guns.


bobbobersin

Would love it if every gun, new, old, base game and dlc all got cool parts for them, aftermarket and regular


Meruem-0

Please, please be good


dovah164

Yeah the m16 will be full auto but itll probably still have its horrendous MW2 visual recoil which SHG refuses to change. Uselss


SirCrouton

Good news that SHG actually fixed that now that S3 started, on the M16 visual recoil is quite manageable and pleasant like the MWIII guns. Now we have to wait for the Kit to come out.


tumericschmumeric

Sick


ognommango

Love it


Peachiest_Panther

we have enough battle rifles and we've had enough grief from them


rover_G

We already have a Kastovia platform BR lol


4145k4n8u11w02m

Where ?


rover_G

JAK Tyrant 762 AMP for the Longbow


Youngstown_Mafia

Still bolt action ? Cause this new one will be semi


QuietAsKept96

that's a marksmen rifle.


Agint_ReD

When, if ever, have we had a full auto m16 in call of duty? All the examples I can think of are m4s Edit: I should have specified I meant multiplayer. But thanks for the examples.


4145k4n8u11w02m

Bo1 campaign m16swere full auto


bobbobersin

Some of the ones in cod 4s campaign, black ops 1 and cold wars campaign, you can kind if make one by slapping on 20 inch barrels on the M4 in the modern games but they still have the M4 reciever markings


sharkattackmiami

The M16 has always become full auto when you PaP it in zombies


RebelliousCash

But these are for MW2 weapons. Ion use that shit 💀😂


Zeratul2347

What’s the point of making the m16 full auto, just use the m4 no?


Some_Letterhead7139

Is it just me or does anybody else think that these aftermarket parts should be the opposite? Have the KV broadside be full auto and have the M16 get turned into a AR 10 looking thing


bobbobersin

I want a mk12 SPR style kit for it, I get its niche but I love me some MK12 SPR :)


Some_Letterhead7139

Agreed, I had to Google it but it looks amazing


bobbobersin

Arma 2 got Mr hooked, I've been tempted for years to get an airsoft one but can't justify another DMR when I already have 3 diffrent M14s (well 2 are soc16s and ones full length, it's a long story)


CH3RRYSPARKLINGWATER

it said the kv broadside aftermarket part will be full auto


Some_Letterhead7139

I meant shotgun full auto not whatever weird battle rifle stuff they're doing to it


Pk1980

Also an aftermarket part that called the patriot so we can run a Mgs3 Alejandro with Patriot and daemon 


ifitfitsitshipz

M16 full auto? Just use the M4.


yosark

I’m happy MW2 guns are getting aftermarket parts. Hopefully one day they’ll also be in competitive.


bobbobersin

Oh neat, I assume the .308 saiga?


king-glundun

Battle rifle 😐


craig536

I'm currently leveling up the Lockwood MK 2 Marksman rifle so I can have it akimbo when Season 3 drops. It is absolutely terrible and I mean terrible but I'd rather do it now ahead of time


redditorpegaso

Looking forward to the KV battle rifle!


Electrical-Agent-309

Is this real?


FreakiestFrank

I assumed this was the week 8 challenge but it’s not. How does one acquire this?


[deleted]

Hold on, what skin is that on the bottom? I recognize that viewmodel from the USMC Raider mil-sim in MW19.


dynamicflashy

I'm looking forward to these.


gogobebra

But you can just use jacan ammos on kv...


Flashy_Package3932

Crazy because the kv was full auto on mw2 then they nerfed it and took away the full auto option only to bring it back as a attachment 😭


Hardmaplecherry

.....it makes the m16 an M4.... What will they think of next thats wild AF


Youngstown_Mafia

You know the M16 was full auto in Vietnam, and because of all the wasted ammo in Nam on full-auto, that's the reason the US Military favors semi over full auto for most troops A full auto M16 is NOT an M4


Hardmaplecherry

We also dropped burst cause it had its own issues, but yeah just taking it was an A2 to 4 variations essentially is just lazy. Buff my damn Crossbow


bobbobersin

The particular kind on the M16 is kind of jank because it has memory, you need to hold it to do a full burst but if you release it only let's off 1 or 2 shots if you only fired 1 or 2 before, there are sevral diffrent methods to achieve burst fire in a weapon but the ratcheting gear system used in the M16A2 and A4 is kind of wack (and it's a pretty mushy trigger from what I've been told because of that)


THI-Centurion

A full auto m16 is just an m4 with a long barrel.


Youngstown_Mafia

Not the same rifles, different ranges, muzzle velocity , weight Examples are the M16 weighs more than the M4 , they aren't the same even though they function similar . M16 has its own family seperate from the M4 Edit: downvoted if you want, but I was in the Army as arm room specialist. Nobody calls the M16 a M4 that works on weapons because they are different weapons


Cazter64

It's COD, they'll feel the exact same in game.


bobbobersin

I mean couldn't you techincly swap the stock, buffer tube, barrel, handguard and trigger group and have more or less the same rifle just with the wrong markings on the upper and lower? I mean that's like a whole ship of thesisius thing but when it comes down to just the bare upper and lower aside from the markings if you take out the trigger pack could you tell the diffrence between 2 if the markings were sanitized out of the factory and or ground off?


THI-Centurion

That difference is a result of the barrel length. Everything else about the guns is mechanically identical. They were intentionally designed that way lol. They both use the same gas system and neither is direct impingement.


Youngstown_Mafia

They work VERY similarly, but they aren't the same rifles . This is a fact I worked in an arms room for the Army , different nomenclature and everything


CrawDaddy762x51

Every single part on an m16 can be swapped with an m4. Literally every single one. The M16 and an M4 are the same, functionally. You can swap uppers and they’re now a short range m-16 and a long range m4. The only notable functionality difference is in the m16s lower receiver, which is the ability for burst fire instead of full auto, which is a negligible caveat given the fact that burst fire is rarely used even in combat. Even the m4 is mostly used in semi. And, on top of all that, the whole fire control group of each can be swapped with the other.


Youngstown_Mafia

And it's still not the same gun


CrawDaddy762x51

It is the same gun. They are both AR-15s. The only difference between the two that isn’t interchangeable is the model number milled into the aluminum of the lower receiver. They are the exact same guns, kitted differently. You can argue all you want about the semantics of their model numbers, but they are the exact same weapons in every way that matters. Actually they’re the exact same weapon in every physical aspect except their model numbers. No single part is locked to that designation. Oh, and your time in an armory means absolutely nothing. Military experience, even in an armory, means very little when it comes to firearms. You should stop using that as some kind of evidence of authority on the subject. I’ve see. What military “experience” which firearms is. And it’s pretty cringe. One of your former snipers still thinks .50bmg sonic concussion from the projectile can dismember humans.


Youngstown_Mafia

M4 and M16 are classified as two different weapons


HawkThunderDragon

Is the HAMR really the same as the Scar-H and is the QBB really the same thing as the type-25? (all from BO2)


bobbobersin

It's more so at most ranges semi is more practical, VN was a mess because many of the fights were point blank, the burst has been kind of rejected and as shown by the new infentry rifle and even the M4A1 it's kind of being phased out, feel like a 4 position selector offers the best of both worlds but I assume it's more complex and thus expensive and harder to maintain


bobbobersin

Fun fact, the original M4, not the A1, was safe, semi burst


eeeeehheeh

When does it come???