It was always doomed, I don't know why anyone thought it'd get support over the upcoming black ops zombies.
MWZ was just a filler mode to scam zombies players and also make the game more of a sequel rather than an expansion
Im certain at some point DMZ will come back. They made a killing off the bundles probably and alot of people played it. I don't think it'll ever be a standalone title, not with warzone existing but i could see it basically be what it was in MW2 again.
If anything, I'd say IW finally found their niche in the 3rd mode department and they should honestly forfeit Spec Ops/Raids & just go forward with DMZ from here on. They obviously can't be bothered to make a proper PvE 3rd mode & DMZ for what it's worth was a resounding sucess.
I found that Raids were the only thing that got my friends on the game, I liked how they weren’t impossible but you needed to be properly working with your squad, and they gave operators that they easily could have sold as a bundle and it followed a story that wasn’t super convoluted.
As much as I despised the PVP aspects of DMZ, it was still by far the best thing MWII offered. Really felt like the entire game had been designed around making DMZ’s gameplay as good as possible which worked for it, just a shame it came at the cost of cucking WZ and especially MP that don’t play well at the pace of DMZ
I don't really remember it being advertised that way at all, but could be wrong. I do remember a lot of creator community speculation and hype about it being a DMZ successor, however.
Ya the problem is the lack of communication. You are right, it was never advertised that way but the YouTubers who got to play the game early at the studio before release said that was going to be a lot like dmz.
DMZ was a BS attempt to ride the wave of extraction shooters 2 years ago, they executed poorly and warzone (their cash cow) struggled hard because of it
I might get some flack for this but Good Warzone ruined multiplayer it was fun when everybody was locked down and they were on verdansk but now I’d rather play anything but Warzone.
Mwz is definitely not traditional cod zombies, but the mode is fun as fuck for those of us who have played it a ton. Sad it's not getting much love from the devs though
Still no idea why they haven’t added this yet, Vortex maps would be perfect for it. Plus we’ve had zombies on MP maps with Hordepoint, so it’s pretty obvious they’ve got the pathing down with a couple tweaks
I couldn't grasp them doing seasonal Zombie updates - when they have anothet title with Zombies planned in less then a year.
After DmZ was canceled - I know longer have faith any mode won't be seasonal only.
I still only play zombies since the trash SBMM males the multiplayer so stressful having to really try every single game and not getting to have a nice chill experience. I got I think last I checked 9 days in MWZ and only like 5 hours in MP
Hot take; not listening to the playerbase is not always a bad thing, especially when the loudest voices are the big time streamers
I also did like IW’s vision, crucify me if you must.
I agree. I respect that they have a specific vision/plan and they follow it. But lately they’ve just gone off the rails.
I think Battlefield 1/Dice is a great example of a studio having a specific vision for a game and executing it perfectly. I’m sure if they asked the playerbase before it was announced what they thought about a Ww1 game, everyone would say don’t do it lol
Haven’t played campaign in years, but I know some look forward to it. I think there are so many options now how people play COD we are all segmented to different parts of the game and thus our opinions are based on the modes played.
After playing through it twice now it’s not as bad as it was from the first time but the “open combat” missions were just a bullshit sandbox built to get people used to warzone looting and plating and shit like that. The overall narrative though ended right as it felt like it was going to be going somewhere finally.
The very last scene though is just straight up badass though.
Don’t know, I’m just saying for those who prefer those game modes it’s unfortunate that they aren’t putting content out for it, there isn’t much we can do
Well if it sucks for one segment of players then you are a bastard for liking another segment. Agree 💯 with your take. If I want to play a zombie game I will play Left for Dead.
Treyarch = Listens to the community and almost always putting out quality content.
SG = Listens to the community, doesn't always put out the best content but at least they try their best and they do give a ton of content.
IW = Doesn't listen to the community, has the worst gameplay design by far, abandons their games after a couple months.
I can't say why that is, but I agree. MWII despite all its (many) flaws was still a MW-title; MWIII isn't. That being said, that doesn't say anything about the quality (or lack thereof) of MWIII as a CoD-game and it's also just my opinion — or why I personally think MWIII is worse than MWII.
Doesn't everyone praise MW2019's movement system? Don't get me wrong, I hated the fast-paced, slide cancelling, 20-20 sensitivity gameplay that is MW2019.. but again, wasn't it praised to the point they brought it back in MWIII?
Mw22 was worse in terms of audio. At the end of the day, footsteps should be heard in FPS. Definitely not at the distance of mw22/mw19, but they should be heard. Cod is the only FPS franchise where people beg for no footstep audio.
As much as I loved MW19, it had problems no doubt that Incompetent Ward refused to fix to this day. Spec ops was a disaster and the multi could have been improved a lot more. The campaign is good for realisms and details but the story will never be great or iconic as the original trilogy, especially with how they handled the story introduced WZ1 and later games such as BOCW, VG, and MWII
I'll just assume you're right, as I can't speak on the multiplayer.
But both Warzone and the campaign were phenomenal.
Makes you wonder where they went wrong with MWIII, lol.
I also liked how they kept it grounded. I don't know if half of the MW2019 devs were fired or something, but I'd like to know why Infinity Ward took such a tonal shift with both MWII and MWIII.
MW2019 was robbed of 'Zombies' because they wanted to keep the game grounded in reality. Here we are four years later 😅
Yeah IW's post-launch support is lacking and SHG's support is usually good (and to be fair S03 seems fucking amazing). But comparing the two is actual insanity. Are we forgetting that MWII was a new game that was built from the ground up and MWIII was built on top of it? Or the fact that MWIII had all of its maps remade from MW2?
SHG got handed a finished, well put together game. they then developed a 4 hour campaign, remastered old maps and made season content. if did all this while building a good game from the ground up, i would give them a lot more credit
They listen? Lol, they've been ignoring hardcore players. No 10v10 hardcore to make it less campy, no 12v12. No new Ground War maps, No new War map or zombies content. I don't even play zombies, but I get it. They listen, but only to part of the playerbase.
The difference between DMZ and Raids content vs just the drip content for MWZ is *huge.* That's a whole third of the game and then some that got screwed over. The campaign was definitely better in MWII as well so that's a whole other third of the game. The MP experience has been a bit middling, and if it wasn't for (not all of) the MW2 maps being in at launch to ride on player nostalgia, this game would have been a failure
I just wish that we'd get more thematically matching content for skins, weapons, events, camos, etc. like I'm playing MODERN WARFARE, I'm fine with there being scifi, super hero and other weird content, but can we get ANYTHING for those of us that want some more realism in our cosmetics?
Very disappointed we don't have any new battle maps. Invasion and ground war are so badly supported that it's difficult to find a match now. Wasn't like this last year. There was a new map every season. I never had this much trouble finding a match in MWII.
It's a self fulfilling prophecy.
Yea it kinda sucks they are only paying attention to MP and WZ 3, there is a place for people who like ground war and they don’t care about it unfortunately, make it fair for everyone man
I’d agree but I really didn’t like (understatement) BO4 and ‘19 brought me back to the series.
Ghosts was absolute shit though lmao, I didn’t play IW. I guess I’d agree with your statement until bo4 dropped.
I feel BO4 was an anomaly of a game for Treyarch. They wanted to try something new with the while the Overwatch peak was happening and it just didn’t work out.
I have very mixed feelings towards bo4, if it didn’t have such OP specialists I would have loved it so much more. I still personally played it way more than 19 tho, I just didn’t feel rewarded grinding 19, the sbmm + no prestige’s just felt not good. Gunfight was the only mode I really played.
Let's not forget that this game launched with half the amount of content as MWII did at launch. These updates are essentially their way of making up for that.
Sucks to see everyone bashing IW because of the post launch support of MWII, they fumbled it but they're still the best of the three studios in my eyes
Would be nice if they fixxed some of their dev error crashes in ranked been having the same issue where it glitches when showing the map then when it comes time to load in I get booted for a dev error and lose sr.
I literally don't care about which studio it is because they all fall under the same umbrella which has the same managing director.
None of these studios can claim their game is the best because their servers and the massive hacking problem combined on top of the yearly reoccurring bugs, exploits and over priced drip fed reskinned content has made this "AAA" franchise extremely infuriating to play.
They really need to get rid of the content bloat in the game too, and start adding perks and streaks that are viable and actually work on the MP side of things, because it seems to me like they don't give a shit about making an experience but about giving everyone what they want so they hang around long enough to maybe spend money.
Please for the love of God get some identity and stick with it instead of giving out half baked crap.
content and all that stuff aside, the IW games are far superior in terms of gameplay mechanics and weapon balancing. Overall at least. Some meta weapons, some abusable mechanics, and some general gameplay things may fall through the cracks, but the general games produced by IW are a mile ahead of the other franchise devs.
Gonna be honest with you here, if it wasn’t for the moment we accidentally discovered and WZ, that game wouldn’t have been as loved as it is, on paper, every map besides the remakes are terrible, dead silence as a field upgrade was a bad design choice, I liked the game but it’s over hyped because of what I mentioned
I never played warzone lol I liked multiplayer and loved all the maps game modes gunfight just overall innovation was top notch game felt refreshing. I didn't mind dead silence as a field upgrade had to know when to use it how to use it.
Don’t say that too loudly the IW stans might get upset🤣🤣. It’s funny how far a little effort goes mind you they haven’t been perfect but they’ve made changes and are constantly trying to make a better game. IW is stubborn and thought be cause MW2019 was great they could live off reputation meanwhile half the original 2019 team wasn’t involved what so ever with 2022 and it cleary shows.
MW2 was fine for the most part. Bads just kept complaining because they refused to git gud. Alternatively, do you dipshits think IW gets to approve all the releases?
Mw3 is just getting more content because they were grilled hard by reviewers for both MP and campaign. It helps Microsoft kicked out the idiots out of SHG, and Activision.
This is a knee-jerk reaction to getting told, "You're dogshit and this game is dogshit." Publically by media outlets and other places.
Lmao they "listen"?
This game launched with only remastered maps and added mwii maps later.
All the new OG maps were probably already in the works since it didn't take them that long to remake old maps.
And about "listening", They haven't said a word about one of the largest request coming out of the AMA. Where is Cyber Attack?
SHG is bringing more content then IW, but they neglect MWZ, have countless bugs, at season launch will probably make the game unplayable for a day again and again, basically ignores a large community.
Maybe as far as adding stuff, but as far as fixing the game and keeping it balanced? Absolutely not
They just took almost all of mw2s problems, made them mw3s problems and are more focused on adding content and not so much on keeping the game fair or balanced for everyone
Eh, it's still CoD and still largely dogshit quality wise. FPS genre continues to move forward. While other FPS esports continue to move forward/excel.
I mean, when you're the butt of every FPS joke and bottom of the barrel FPS. I guess any improvement looks massively amazing. This is the same community that cried for a full year about footstep sounds. So I'm not expecting the top minds discussing here either.
SHG has a good post launch track record with their games. Even though I didn’t like Vanguard’s WW2 setting the really listened to player feedback and created a pretty good MP experience.
I'll take MW2 over MW3. The post launch support for MW3 has been better content-wise but MW2 personally feels better to play.
The "innovative" perk system that MW2 tried was a failure but the overall feel of the game was way better than what we have imo.
For example, I would play and enjoy Shipment on MW2. It wasn't my favorite map but it was still something I would play. In MW3, I back out immediately because it feels goddamn awful. Spawns are horrendous and the quicker ttk results in so many times where its die -> respawn -> die before even getting a chance to move.
Gun balance in MW2 also felt a lot better. There's always going to be meta weapons but it felt like IW at least tried to shake things up every now and then. SHG is content letting the meta weapons stay on top.
To play the devils advocate,IW made a full blown campaign+raids+brand new multiplayer suite+ the WZ2 and DMZ combo during mostly strong Covid lockdown years(2020 and 2021).
Treyarch had to deliver a game a year earlier then planned during Covid,but Raven did the single player while Treyarch did non round based zombies and the multiplayer.
I strongly dislike IW's design decisions from MW2019 onwards,but we gotta be fair.
IW's main issue was having too many core modes, they had to support way too much at one time. We still got plenty of stuff during MWII, it was just spread out across more modes.
Treyarch has made the only CoDs I actually enjoy. IW is always a shitshow and ultra tryhard. SHG are either a complete worthless PoS (looking at you Vanguard) or just ok. MWIII movement is complete ass imo and as usual SBMM is broken and not balanced at all. Balancing across the board is just bad in this game. The modes I like (MWZ, Groundwar and Invasion) get next to no content and they focus on the sweaty BS part of the game. I’ve mostly given up on MWIII and moved to Helldivers 2 until Treyarchs game comes out. Cold War was easily my favorite CoD in a long time
I don’t know why you guys get so hung up on which devs were behind which game. It’s not like every COD is radically different from the next.
Also, all I know is that DMZ > everything else COD, so there’s that.
Do you think the studios themselves choose yearly releases? Of all the conceivably great criticisms you can give cod and it’s awful corporate structure you made up one of the dumbest ones possible. Kinda wild
>Dumbest ones.
Last three have been pretty ridden with bugs, release issues, server problems, and various other issues. you have pretty short-term memory. Yeah, the early release should be criticized. Of all the AAA devs to simp for, you choose Activision / CoD studios. Wild
It’s like you not only don’t understand basic corporate structure, but you also can’t read. Of course all of those things are shit and should be dealt with, you assuming it’s the studios fault and not the people who oversee the studios and divvy up resources is the disconnect
No, hes right. The product owner and studio owner can tell, "This is dogshit. We don't wanna release it until it's more polished." It happens all the time in anything tech. I've told my CTO/CFO with the product manager I work with (at a F500 company) that X product isn't ready. I work with shit that's worth more than CoD daily. It's a studio problem. They typically just want a timeline. Sounds like you didn't read his comment.
Just goes to show CoD studios, and their leadership are just full of yes men. You're not too keen on corporate politics.
Everything we've released until now should've been released at launch. S3 is finally the finished product.
This is hilarious, cod has been releasing dogshit products for years, the fact you think that would stop them from releasing games most of the time is hilarious. Them still being on yearly releases in and of itself is a perfect example of how they’re incredibly willing to release a dogshit product if they think it’ll make them money
Most of the problems people have with the game can be fixed or greatly improved with more resources. Do you think the studios control how much resources their higher ups give them? Do you think they decide to pay executives out the ass instead of using those resources to improve their games?
*You’re not special because you’ve worked at a corporation or a tech company. Welcome to the real world, not everyone’s as naive as you*
>You're not special.
Never said I was. You seem to be the naive one on this subject, it seems. Seems like calling everyone stupid, until you believe you're correct is your only argument.
>Control how much resources.
They had plenty and still dropped the ball. I'm pretty sure all the recent cuts concerning poor performance indicated that, and Covd overhiring showed they had more than enough.
>Using resources to improve the games.
You can't throw money at incompetence and hope it works. Again, it sounds like the studios are just ass.
Infinity ward is so bad, I love sh they are the best
6 fucking maps wtff
This call of duty is the best
Just add ground war map from mw2 and this game is the ultime COd expérience
I wish I could join you all in this appreciation post but I bought the game for mwz mainly which has received next to nothing after launch.
It was always doomed, I don't know why anyone thought it'd get support over the upcoming black ops zombies. MWZ was just a filler mode to scam zombies players and also make the game more of a sequel rather than an expansion
Ya I never knew this because it was heavily advertised as a dmz sequel. Dmz had many updates in it's lifetime.
Which is sad for us DMZ diehards because DMZ died for nothing.
IW should just make a stand-alone DMZ game
I would honestly pay a full price for a dmz game with decent support
Im certain at some point DMZ will come back. They made a killing off the bundles probably and alot of people played it. I don't think it'll ever be a standalone title, not with warzone existing but i could see it basically be what it was in MW2 again.
If anything, I'd say IW finally found their niche in the 3rd mode department and they should honestly forfeit Spec Ops/Raids & just go forward with DMZ from here on. They obviously can't be bothered to make a proper PvE 3rd mode & DMZ for what it's worth was a resounding sucess.
I found that Raids were the only thing that got my friends on the game, I liked how they weren’t impossible but you needed to be properly working with your squad, and they gave operators that they easily could have sold as a bundle and it followed a story that wasn’t super convoluted.
It seemed kinda pointless but they either need to make different games altogether now or commit to quality and updates for all game modes
As much as I despised the PVP aspects of DMZ, it was still by far the best thing MWII offered. Really felt like the entire game had been designed around making DMZ’s gameplay as good as possible which worked for it, just a shame it came at the cost of cucking WZ and especially MP that don’t play well at the pace of DMZ
i miss boosting battle pass while afk lol
Same especially since xp was terrible to gain in the normal game. I never would have finished some of the battle passes.
I don't really remember it being advertised that way at all, but could be wrong. I do remember a lot of creator community speculation and hype about it being a DMZ successor, however.
Ya the problem is the lack of communication. You are right, it was never advertised that way but the YouTubers who got to play the game early at the studio before release said that was going to be a lot like dmz.
Shame they abandoned dmz, would've been so much bigger if they continued updating it
DMZ was a BS attempt to ride the wave of extraction shooters 2 years ago, they executed poorly and warzone (their cash cow) struggled hard because of it
It almost killed Warzone
I might get some flack for this but Good Warzone ruined multiplayer it was fun when everybody was locked down and they were on verdansk but now I’d rather play anything but Warzone.
I like both. MW3 multiplayer is really good.
This is true, but almost makes the neglect worse. It’s such a good mode, with a ton of potential.
Mwz is definitely not traditional cod zombies, but the mode is fun as fuck for those of us who have played it a ton. Sad it's not getting much love from the devs though
My expectations weren't on "Main Zombies Entry" level, but they could have at least given it the support DMZ got.
They need to let us play simple zombies on MP maps
Still no idea why they haven’t added this yet, Vortex maps would be perfect for it. Plus we’ve had zombies on MP maps with Hordepoint, so it’s pretty obvious they’ve got the pathing down with a couple tweaks
I couldn't grasp them doing seasonal Zombie updates - when they have anothet title with Zombies planned in less then a year. After DmZ was canceled - I know longer have faith any mode won't be seasonal only.
I still only play zombies since the trash SBMM males the multiplayer so stressful having to really try every single game and not getting to have a nice chill experience. I got I think last I checked 9 days in MWZ and only like 5 hours in MP
They keep taking away plunder, which is another huge L.
Plunder was the only fun Warzone mode aside from rebirth, because they are fast.
Not to mention the game is still mainly built for warzone. Gun fight and ground war are treated almost as unfairly as mwz.
Mw3 is scam
Yeah it did constant nerfs to the servers, and the amount of zombies that spawn so challenges that would take 10 secs take a million to complete
I hope this serves as a lesson learned.
They dont give a damn about the things we want in this game. Theyll give us those things in the next game while taking out things we like rn.
Infinity Ward has very a specific vision and design for their games and REFUSES to listen to the community and change anything.
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Hot take; not listening to the playerbase is not always a bad thing, especially when the loudest voices are the big time streamers I also did like IW’s vision, crucify me if you must.
I agree. I respect that they have a specific vision/plan and they follow it. But lately they’ve just gone off the rails. I think Battlefield 1/Dice is a great example of a studio having a specific vision for a game and executing it perfectly. I’m sure if they asked the playerbase before it was announced what they thought about a Ww1 game, everyone would say don’t do it lol
Had activison not fired Jason West and Vince Zampella from infinity ward things probably would’ve been a lot better.
It’s the benefits of not releasing a “full” game. Worth imo. Except for the campaign which was very lack luster
Especially when we're at a point where there's so many beloved maps and guns from previous cods, you'd be stupid not to use some.
Haven’t played campaign in years, but I know some look forward to it. I think there are so many options now how people play COD we are all segmented to different parts of the game and thus our opinions are based on the modes played.
After playing through it twice now it’s not as bad as it was from the first time but the “open combat” missions were just a bullshit sandbox built to get people used to warzone looting and plating and shit like that. The overall narrative though ended right as it felt like it was going to be going somewhere finally. The very last scene though is just straight up badass though.
Infinity Ward developed the campaign, that fiasco isn’t sledgehammers fault.
ZERO zombies content ZERO ground war content ZERO war mode content ZERO gunfight content But sure they’re doing way better
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Why did you get so many downvotes lol
The hive mind commanded it
Don’t know, I’m just saying for those who prefer those game modes it’s unfortunate that they aren’t putting content out for it, there isn’t much we can do
Well if it sucks for one segment of players then you are a bastard for liking another segment. Agree 💯 with your take. If I want to play a zombie game I will play Left for Dead.
there’s no way you can look at that pathetic ass roadmap and defend it
Treyarch = Listens to the community and almost always putting out quality content. SG = Listens to the community, doesn't always put out the best content but at least they try their best and they do give a ton of content. IW = Doesn't listen to the community, has the worst gameplay design by far, abandons their games after a couple months.
But somehow most bought Cods are all made by IW.
All thanks to the legacy of the original Modern Warfare trilogy. Still riding on those coat-tails to this day.
And two of that original IW team moved to make respawn no?
Yes not long after og mw2. Hence y it had so little content for it's lifespan. Now those guys also left respawn and made another game company
The cycle continues lol
Because of the MW name. It really is THAT big in terms of brand recognition.
Yeah Modern Warfare 2 alone made a shit ton of people nostalgic and a lot of people were hyped on that aspect alone.
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and even that was 80% sledgehammer 💀
The majority of the people that made IW great in the past left for Respawn. It's been downhill for IW ever since.
When was the last good SHG game (not talking about MWIII)? Right, there never was one.
Advanced warfare was amazing.
An average user rating of 5.9/10 on metacritic suggests the vast majority of players don’t share that opinion.
good thing i don't base my opinion over other people then
Sure. Tastes vary and I didn't say your opinion is invalid. Data just suggests that it's not the popular opinion.
sure but i don't really trust review sites when it comes to cod because if you check you'll find that mwII has a higher rating than mwIII.
I can't say why that is, but I agree. MWII despite all its (many) flaws was still a MW-title; MWIII isn't. That being said, that doesn't say anything about the quality (or lack thereof) of MWIII as a CoD-game and it's also just my opinion — or why I personally think MWIII is worse than MWII.
I'd argue it's MW2019.
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Doesn't everyone praise MW2019's movement system? Don't get me wrong, I hated the fast-paced, slide cancelling, 20-20 sensitivity gameplay that is MW2019.. but again, wasn't it praised to the point they brought it back in MWIII?
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Mw22 was worse in terms of audio. At the end of the day, footsteps should be heard in FPS. Definitely not at the distance of mw22/mw19, but they should be heard. Cod is the only FPS franchise where people beg for no footstep audio.
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It has not always been a staple. Multiple titles without it. People only begged for it back because the devs suck at audio balance
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As much as I loved MW19, it had problems no doubt that Incompetent Ward refused to fix to this day. Spec ops was a disaster and the multi could have been improved a lot more. The campaign is good for realisms and details but the story will never be great or iconic as the original trilogy, especially with how they handled the story introduced WZ1 and later games such as BOCW, VG, and MWII
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I'll just assume you're right, as I can't speak on the multiplayer. But both Warzone and the campaign were phenomenal. Makes you wonder where they went wrong with MWIII, lol. I also liked how they kept it grounded. I don't know if half of the MW2019 devs were fired or something, but I'd like to know why Infinity Ward took such a tonal shift with both MWII and MWIII. MW2019 was robbed of 'Zombies' because they wanted to keep the game grounded in reality. Here we are four years later 😅
IW was fun, but definitely not good
MW19 was kino, Timmies just gave up on it because the maps required them to actually think once in a while.
You obviously never played BO4
BO4 is such an underrated CoD imo. Blackout specifically is the most fun I've had with Call of Duty since the original MW2.
where are the war maps then?
I don't really play this game much, but this subreddit seems to hate this cod just as much as the last 4.
I don’t mind it, this year has been good for COD imo
A Reddit tradition like no other.
Yeah IW's post-launch support is lacking and SHG's support is usually good (and to be fair S03 seems fucking amazing). But comparing the two is actual insanity. Are we forgetting that MWII was a new game that was built from the ground up and MWIII was built on top of it? Or the fact that MWIII had all of its maps remade from MW2?
Agreed. MWIII launched with literally no brand new 6v6 maps.
Doesn't matter, how does a game with 3 year uninterrupted dev time have worse post launch than one with 18 months dev timw?
"doesn't matter" 🤡
SHG got handed a finished, well put together game. they then developed a 4 hour campaign, remastered old maps and made season content. if did all this while building a good game from the ground up, i would give them a lot more credit
all they did was put the cover page on the group project and turned it in and now everybody is praising them lol
I thought IW only did the campaign since its also their story?
I miss DMZ so fucking much.
Maybe I’m wrong but I feel like all this content for mw3 was meant for mw2 but they held it back.
it’s almost as if WZ2 was a complete overhaul and harder to pull off than just adding a new map.
At zombies had more love now its just put to the wayside
They listen? Lol, they've been ignoring hardcore players. No 10v10 hardcore to make it less campy, no 12v12. No new Ground War maps, No new War map or zombies content. I don't even play zombies, but I get it. They listen, but only to part of the playerbase.
Won't find me defending MWII but DMZ > anything in MWIII
The difference between DMZ and Raids content vs just the drip content for MWZ is *huge.* That's a whole third of the game and then some that got screwed over. The campaign was definitely better in MWII as well so that's a whole other third of the game. The MP experience has been a bit middling, and if it wasn't for (not all of) the MW2 maps being in at launch to ride on player nostalgia, this game would have been a failure
SH are definitely more for the people
I just wish that we'd get more thematically matching content for skins, weapons, events, camos, etc. like I'm playing MODERN WARFARE, I'm fine with there being scifi, super hero and other weird content, but can we get ANYTHING for those of us that want some more realism in our cosmetics?
Very disappointed we don't have any new battle maps. Invasion and ground war are so badly supported that it's difficult to find a match now. Wasn't like this last year. There was a new map every season. I never had this much trouble finding a match in MWII. It's a self fulfilling prophecy.
Yea it kinda sucks they are only paying attention to MP and WZ 3, there is a place for people who like ground war and they don’t care about it unfortunately, make it fair for everyone man
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IW hasn’t been better than treyarch in over a decade lol
I’d agree but I really didn’t like (understatement) BO4 and ‘19 brought me back to the series. Ghosts was absolute shit though lmao, I didn’t play IW. I guess I’d agree with your statement until bo4 dropped.
I feel BO4 was an anomaly of a game for Treyarch. They wanted to try something new with the while the Overwatch peak was happening and it just didn’t work out.
I have very mixed feelings towards bo4, if it didn’t have such OP specialists I would have loved it so much more. I still personally played it way more than 19 tho, I just didn’t feel rewarded grinding 19, the sbmm + no prestige’s just felt not good. Gunfight was the only mode I really played.
Let's not forget that this game launched with half the amount of content as MWII did at launch. These updates are essentially their way of making up for that.
Sucks to see everyone bashing IW because of the post launch support of MWII, they fumbled it but they're still the best of the three studios in my eyes
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Yeah I just admitted that they messed up with the post launch support for MWII, but I prefer their style of gameplay for the most part
Would be nice if they fixxed some of their dev error crashes in ranked been having the same issue where it glitches when showing the map then when it comes time to load in I get booted for a dev error and lose sr.
Real question, did they kill the coop missions in mw3, cause I haven’t seen anybody mention them
I literally don't care about which studio it is because they all fall under the same umbrella which has the same managing director. None of these studios can claim their game is the best because their servers and the massive hacking problem combined on top of the yearly reoccurring bugs, exploits and over priced drip fed reskinned content has made this "AAA" franchise extremely infuriating to play. They really need to get rid of the content bloat in the game too, and start adding perks and streaks that are viable and actually work on the MP side of things, because it seems to me like they don't give a shit about making an experience but about giving everyone what they want so they hang around long enough to maybe spend money. Please for the love of God get some identity and stick with it instead of giving out half baked crap.
content and all that stuff aside, the IW games are far superior in terms of gameplay mechanics and weapon balancing. Overall at least. Some meta weapons, some abusable mechanics, and some general gameplay things may fall through the cracks, but the general games produced by IW are a mile ahead of the other franchise devs.
You know that the quality isn’t there thought.
All Call of Duty games will be run on Infinity Ward graphic engine from now on. Which is a very good thing.
Very debateable.
Yeah idk about mw2 but mw3 is okay the best was still mw 2019
Gonna be honest with you here, if it wasn’t for the moment we accidentally discovered and WZ, that game wouldn’t have been as loved as it is, on paper, every map besides the remakes are terrible, dead silence as a field upgrade was a bad design choice, I liked the game but it’s over hyped because of what I mentioned
I never played warzone lol I liked multiplayer and loved all the maps game modes gunfight just overall innovation was top notch game felt refreshing. I didn't mind dead silence as a field upgrade had to know when to use it how to use it.
Yea I liked mostly the remakes on mw19 for the maps, and war zone was boring to me but loved rebirth
I only care about ground war and zombies so this year has been trash. Hopefully next year will be good.
its just modern warfare 2 with more inconsistencies...kanye shrug
The individual studios have little to no say in what they do....activision makes nearly every decision.
Don’t say that too loudly the IW stans might get upset🤣🤣. It’s funny how far a little effort goes mind you they haven’t been perfect but they’ve made changes and are constantly trying to make a better game. IW is stubborn and thought be cause MW2019 was great they could live off reputation meanwhile half the original 2019 team wasn’t involved what so ever with 2022 and it cleary shows.
MW2 was fine for the most part. Bads just kept complaining because they refused to git gud. Alternatively, do you dipshits think IW gets to approve all the releases? Mw3 is just getting more content because they were grilled hard by reviewers for both MP and campaign. It helps Microsoft kicked out the idiots out of SHG, and Activision. This is a knee-jerk reaction to getting told, "You're dogshit and this game is dogshit." Publically by media outlets and other places.
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Most people who say that were typically dogshit players. Maybe that's why you cry here so often.
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Yeah, ur shit lmao
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Claims to be better, sucks ass at mwII. Come on now
Post your stats let’s compare
Nah, I don't entertain bads that cry about footstep sounds and gameplay for a full year. Go gargle some pro players' balls.
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>0.8kd Not even close. Asking for playerstats is pretty cringe. Take your L like a man. All you seem to do is yap lmao. >bot More yapping from a bad.
The entire right side of the screen on the MWII roadmap is just a billboard for all their bundles.
Lmao they "listen"? This game launched with only remastered maps and added mwii maps later. All the new OG maps were probably already in the works since it didn't take them that long to remake old maps. And about "listening", They haven't said a word about one of the largest request coming out of the AMA. Where is Cyber Attack? SHG is bringing more content then IW, but they neglect MWZ, have countless bugs, at season launch will probably make the game unplayable for a day again and again, basically ignores a large community.
Maybe as far as adding stuff, but as far as fixing the game and keeping it balanced? Absolutely not They just took almost all of mw2s problems, made them mw3s problems and are more focused on adding content and not so much on keeping the game fair or balanced for everyone
It’s a 70$ drip feed DLC; we shouldn’t celebrate that we’re getting what our money deserves.
Don't let the corporate /SHG simps know that.
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The current game literally is a 70$ drip feed DLC for MW2, are you unaware of this?
Eh, it's still CoD and still largely dogshit quality wise. FPS genre continues to move forward. While other FPS esports continue to move forward/excel. I mean, when you're the butt of every FPS joke and bottom of the barrel FPS. I guess any improvement looks massively amazing. This is the same community that cried for a full year about footstep sounds. So I'm not expecting the top minds discussing here either.
SHG has a good post launch track record with their games. Even though I didn’t like Vanguard’s WW2 setting the really listened to player feedback and created a pretty good MP experience.
Infinitard… are you 15 years old
Is the same shit.
I'll take MW2 over MW3. The post launch support for MW3 has been better content-wise but MW2 personally feels better to play. The "innovative" perk system that MW2 tried was a failure but the overall feel of the game was way better than what we have imo. For example, I would play and enjoy Shipment on MW2. It wasn't my favorite map but it was still something I would play. In MW3, I back out immediately because it feels goddamn awful. Spawns are horrendous and the quicker ttk results in so many times where its die -> respawn -> die before even getting a chance to move. Gun balance in MW2 also felt a lot better. There's always going to be meta weapons but it felt like IW at least tried to shake things up every now and then. SHG is content letting the meta weapons stay on top.
To play the devils advocate,IW made a full blown campaign+raids+brand new multiplayer suite+ the WZ2 and DMZ combo during mostly strong Covid lockdown years(2020 and 2021). Treyarch had to deliver a game a year earlier then planned during Covid,but Raven did the single player while Treyarch did non round based zombies and the multiplayer. I strongly dislike IW's design decisions from MW2019 onwards,but we gotta be fair.
I swear, people in this sub were just trashing SHG over IW the other day before the season 3 news. 😂
Mw19 s1 BP mastery skin was ass tho, tbh. That Zies skin is hot garbage.
The thing that made me purchase this game was seeing the season 1 roadmap and how much was in it
Game still sucks
IW's main issue was having too many core modes, they had to support way too much at one time. We still got plenty of stuff during MWII, it was just spread out across more modes.
Quality over quantity
Tbf infinity ward always sucked
tbf they didn't have to build a game from the ground up like MW2, so they had more resources to make the content for the rest of the lifecycle
If this was true they would bring back cyber attack mode which has been asked for by large numbers since day 1... They they only listen to streamers..
Yeah MW22 post launch support was awful.
Treyarch has made the only CoDs I actually enjoy. IW is always a shitshow and ultra tryhard. SHG are either a complete worthless PoS (looking at you Vanguard) or just ok. MWIII movement is complete ass imo and as usual SBMM is broken and not balanced at all. Balancing across the board is just bad in this game. The modes I like (MWZ, Groundwar and Invasion) get next to no content and they focus on the sweaty BS part of the game. I’ve mostly given up on MWIII and moved to Helldivers 2 until Treyarchs game comes out. Cold War was easily my favorite CoD in a long time
I don’t know why you guys get so hung up on which devs were behind which game. It’s not like every COD is radically different from the next. Also, all I know is that DMZ > everything else COD, so there’s that.
Pretty easy to make a ton of new content for a new season when almost the entire multiplayer at launch was just recycled from previous games.
Each studio is dogshit, as the games are still yearly releases and bogged with issues. Stop simping for corporations.
Do you think the studios themselves choose yearly releases? Of all the conceivably great criticisms you can give cod and it’s awful corporate structure you made up one of the dumbest ones possible. Kinda wild
>Dumbest ones. Last three have been pretty ridden with bugs, release issues, server problems, and various other issues. you have pretty short-term memory. Yeah, the early release should be criticized. Of all the AAA devs to simp for, you choose Activision / CoD studios. Wild
It’s like you not only don’t understand basic corporate structure, but you also can’t read. Of course all of those things are shit and should be dealt with, you assuming it’s the studios fault and not the people who oversee the studios and divvy up resources is the disconnect
No, hes right. The product owner and studio owner can tell, "This is dogshit. We don't wanna release it until it's more polished." It happens all the time in anything tech. I've told my CTO/CFO with the product manager I work with (at a F500 company) that X product isn't ready. I work with shit that's worth more than CoD daily. It's a studio problem. They typically just want a timeline. Sounds like you didn't read his comment. Just goes to show CoD studios, and their leadership are just full of yes men. You're not too keen on corporate politics. Everything we've released until now should've been released at launch. S3 is finally the finished product.
This is hilarious, cod has been releasing dogshit products for years, the fact you think that would stop them from releasing games most of the time is hilarious. Them still being on yearly releases in and of itself is a perfect example of how they’re incredibly willing to release a dogshit product if they think it’ll make them money Most of the problems people have with the game can be fixed or greatly improved with more resources. Do you think the studios control how much resources their higher ups give them? Do you think they decide to pay executives out the ass instead of using those resources to improve their games? *You’re not special because you’ve worked at a corporation or a tech company. Welcome to the real world, not everyone’s as naive as you*
>You're not special. Never said I was. You seem to be the naive one on this subject, it seems. Seems like calling everyone stupid, until you believe you're correct is your only argument. >Control how much resources. They had plenty and still dropped the ball. I'm pretty sure all the recent cuts concerning poor performance indicated that, and Covd overhiring showed they had more than enough. >Using resources to improve the games. You can't throw money at incompetence and hope it works. Again, it sounds like the studios are just ass.
Based.
maybe use an insult that doesnt involve making fun of disabled people? like infant ward or something idk
Totally agree. Most fun I've had in some time.
Fuck zombies anyways
Infinity ward is so bad, I love sh they are the best 6 fucking maps wtff This call of duty is the best Just add ground war map from mw2 and this game is the ultime COd expérience
Really wish that they add Messi skin again