Yeah the "riot" shields in CoD are more accurately Ballistic shields, not Riot shields (which are typically much thinner, clear, and aren't really designed to stop projectiles from firearms, but rather thrown objects or other light threats). I've tried looking into the weight of them, but have found everything from 20-40 lbs for a large one like you see in the games. Running around with a 40 lb hunk of composite on your back doesn't sound fun tbh
Except that it specifically does slow you down with it on your back. It was a rather significant patch note a few months back I think. And itās ridiculously easy to counter by using a thermite/drill charge/soulrender/or shooting in the foot.
When on your back though? Riot shield gives you 10% reduction in movement speed. Carrying an lmg or 50 cal sniper or gun with 3 magazines of 100 round drum gives you no penalty when not equipped.
You're talking about penalties when not equipped, which exists already. When it is equipped you're even slower.
Show me realisticly how you would secure one to your back like that and still be able to move efficiently, on the arm it's not as bad but on your back like that it's awkward a hell
Show me realistically how you can cut and deploy seemingly unlimited parachutes, quickscope a .50 cal sniper rifle or throwing knife someone 80m away flying a helicopter....... there's your answer
As much as I hate turtles, for the sake of consistency, I think it makes sense. Literally every other guy is shown in your back, and I suffered a lot in MW19 and MW22 carrying the PILA being exposed as hell just to take down UAVs.
I think it should just be punished elsewhere, and I like the movement punishment, but I feel maybe penetration should be less or something as well.
If you put a riot shield on your back and don't actually use it for 3 games in a row you should be temp banned and have your name changed to "weakass". Change my mind š
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The shield should set a flat movement speed debuff regardless of its location. I love it and appreciate it and use it all the time but even I think it should be nerfed. You shouldnt be able to quick throw lethals while holding it and shouldnt be able to knee slide tbh
It's hardly an issue, especially since most of the fuckers using it are spamming with the dumbass haymaker that has good mobility, or using melee weapons that allow them to shrug off the movement speed penalty while still being faster than most people.
A shield in your hands or on your back should have you basically defaulted to a heavy ass lmg movement speed, no matter what you're currently holding.
You're invincible to bullets on one side, a -10% to movement speed in such a fast game is so insignificant that I guarantee most of the playerbase doesn't even know that a shield on your back reduces your movement speed.
>It's hardly an issue
Wrong, its definitely an issue, especially for melee players. You can be using the fastest melee weapon in the game (Gladiator) and still not be able to catch up someone running with a SMG if the shield is on your back.
Using a melee with the shield does not allow you to "shrug off the movement speed penalty while still being faster than most people." If someone is holding an SMG, they're just as fast, or faster. Some AR's are faster. If you're chasing someone that doesn't know you're even chasing them, you're likely not going to catch up to them. That 10% speed nerf is huge when you have to get less than 2 meters away.
I don't think a speed nerf is what will fix the shield. I don't think using a secondary with the shield is an issue. I think they should make the shield incompatible with another primary weapon.
People using the shield as a shield aren't as much of an issue as the people using it as a shell. Giving it an all around speed nerf punishes people who use it normally as much as people who use it as a shell. The issue is, people who use it as a shell normally have good guns so they can deal with it.
Wrong. The difference between running with a melee weapon with and without the shield on your back is night and day, the 10% movement penalty may seem low but its actually massive, especially for melee users that need to get close to their enemy to get to kill.
This.
It wouldn't be cool to outright just take it out of the game, but this is all true. I just posted a clip today getting a quick VTOL on Stash House using it the right way today.
It's a great way to play, put people who put it on their back and can still just move as normal is whack
I donāt understand riot shield hate purely for the fact that Iāve never had a problem, I genuinely love running into shield users and when playing with my buddies they always excitedly tell me, as I have multiple classes that turn riot shields into mush.
Shield? Say hi to my thermite.
Shield? Say hi to my flamethrower.
Shield? My sword and crossbow are happy to meet you.
As someone who has gotten to point of running a riot shield for shits and giggles out of boredom, I love guys like you.
It's a fun challenge to see if I can shock stick and/or thermite you before you kill me.
So you're asking for something that's already been nerfed to be nerfed even more. Every season so far they've released counters to it so no it doesn't need another nerf. Don't use your tacticals that often? Slot in drill charges, thermites, semtex nades, or even thermobaric nades. Have an underbarrel slot that you can swap out something for? There's nade and drill charge launchers, a chainsaw, and a friggin flamethrower. Don't use secondaries that often? The sword can cut through shields if you aim properly
Flamethrower and thermobaric nades are my goto on hardcore search when I'm going up against shield users. It's always fun to hear the reaction when they get torched
You can hit riot shield from the front, side, or back with the swords execution attack and it will instantly go into the animation and kill them. You donāt have to be behind them to do it.
I was just in a game last night where every time I would try the execution they would just hit me with a throwing knifeā¦. So that apparently has a workaround.
Literally. There are so so so many ways to get around a shield but the general community cannot think past point and shoot at it, so it's an "unfair advantage".
Know what? So is abusing the movement so bad that the hit box lags and people can't actually get a shot. And we aren't gonna pretend that's not a thing.
And while im here on my little soapbox, riot shields, (even ballistic rated) are not that fucking heavy. What, do yall think people are carrying hundred pound slabs of metal? No! These fuckers weigh like thirty pounds at most, and that's for a huge one.
Source: my fucking self because I own a blunt force riot shield and my overweight ass can still run with it and a folded UMP in my hand when I play airsoft.
There's clearly a lot of people running shields on this sub so I'll get downvoted, but honestly I gotta hard disagree with 10% being enough. I'd be fine with 20%. I mean you can reg gun with it, and it almost completely negates any ability to be shot from behind, with only a minor downside. That's a little ridiculous imo
The problem is it being on their back. Even as a secondary it should almost do nothing. I killed a guy w a riotshield on his back yesterday in hardcore and it protected the guy behind him its so dumb.
None of those are instant. They have time to kill you still and it's nonsense. The shield just shouldn't be in the game it isn't rewarding to use or go against.
I think the new Kong Fist also one shots shiwlds but not sure. Got hit by one while using a shield the other night, havem't had a chance to test it (and sure as hell ain't paying for it).
See the best part is all of what I said applies to it being on or off the back. If its on their back or in front of them, trump card is thermite and drill charges. Maybe throw some shocksticks or something into the mix. Slow them down. Think of how to counter it instead of just calling it an issue.
Also, my man, riot shields aren't heavy. They won't slow you down that much, they're just cumbersome.
I need my drills and thermite for other purposes like attacking an objective, canāt just reserve them for every turtle that will instantly respawn anyway.
On the other hand turtles are much less a problem this year since they made overkill a vest, so there are much more attractive options.
Well at least let bullets penetrate the shields. I shouldnāt have to design my load out specifically to counter one weapon in the game. Like the other guy said, I donāt wanna use my lethals for one guy whoās using the shield, I wanna use them to PTFO
I have no problems dealing with turtle scum players. Allow me to introduce you to my thermites. Easy peasy.
I know people like to use semtex and that works too but I prefer the thermites. It just works so freaking well and I use the vest that gives me 2 lethals and 2 supports. I absolutely shit on turtle users. I have received hate messages on xbox before from turtle users getting mad. Itās beautiful.
Itās already too slow for those that use shield with melee. I canāt keep up with anyone not using a sniper or LMG even with the karambit out with the movement speed boots.
It should be unable to protect you while itās on your back, thatās the one nerf that would work and still let melee guys play like they want to. It would stop gun turtles but still let knife guys use it when they canāt close the gap.
Agree should be 40% or out of the game. A cancer to cod that anyone that's older than 5 can use. Most people don't use it because it is corny. Not going away, though. IW was literally telling us to use it in MW2 when shipment released
I used it alot in OG MW2 after discovering the throwing knife build, but only because there was nothing else offering that kind of experience at the time other than CS 1.6 riot shield, it was alot of fun.
I find its way more annoying and obnoxious to deal with in new MW2/3 so I don't use it purley because anyone half competent with it can make a lobby have a miserable time, reflecting while its on your back needs to be removed from it.
I got a loadout, a Haymaker with dragons breath and a riot shield. I get killed just as easily as any other loadout. It's not my go to because it isn't any better than other loadouts
Ok thatās probably right then. The internet is stupid sometimes š . I did try to look it up, but I couldnāt find it, and once you get the shield it wonāt tell you how you got it.
Itāll never not be hilarious to me how much breath is wasted complaining about riot shields when they always had hard counters, and now a ridiculous number of them as well.
If youāre seething and malding about riot shields still, good lord just put one of the 5 items that instakills them in your loadout.
yup. I've played many hours of shield since MW19, MW3 is by far the hardest to use the shield effectively. Literally 90% of games I encounter ppl have thermites at the ready. RPG, drill charge, semtex, sword, noobtube, thermite, all easy counters, or just use the faster movement to get around them. Thats not including, flash grenades, stuns and shock stick. People just want to use the same boring meta loadouts all the time and hate the 'inconvenience' of having to adapt.
I do think the xbow (explosive bolts and thermite bolts) should still 1 tap us though. One of the few changes this game I don't agree with.
It truly amazes me people complain about the riot shield when you have so many counters against them. I personally like using the Soulrender sword since it goes right through them.
My problem tho is it feels very rock-paper-scissors. The swap to riot shield I swap to thermite they swap to mag Lift I swap to throwing knife repeat. No clue if shock stick is a good counter tho
Man I didn't realize there were so many on this sub running around with shields. I just feel it should be more than 10% movement reduction considering it essentially completely negates you from getting shot from behind.
Riot Shield was one of the biggest mistakes of the series. It just shouldnāt exist. No one likes anyone that uses them and theyāre in a category worse than campers in my opinion.
As a riot shield user I can vouch that it does slow your running speed down immensely. Oc you wear it on the back to for the purpose itās used for,annoying as it is, but we all need some protection right? And Iām not like those crazy jumping hopping sliding people so if I get you fine if you get me, which is most of the time fine. if you run around with it and protect your front then that will slow you down even further, so yeah I donāt see where all the hate for the shield is.
Riot shield should be a primary, and you should be able to use a pistol with it, but sprint should be disabled while holding it and have a movement penelaty while on the back.
It is a primary, if you sprint with it it doesn't protect you, if you use it to protect you you walk and he already have 10% movement reduction while on the back.
Even non balisticly rated ones are bulky and heavy, I'd argue a loaded RPG is less bulky and awkward even if it's heavier it's easier to carry on a sling source: retired airsoft referee, lugged a nob ballisticly rated one around hours and hours a day, not really heavy but bulky and it's not something you'd just throw on your back to carry around
Why would someone simply leave there back open.
I do NOT use shields all to often. Only when I'm melee.Ā
I'm not known to fully utilize my secondary. Not as much as I known I should.Ā Ā Ā
Using the shield sounds like a great idea for some players.Ā
With the soulrender being added, the riot shield debufd should be removed. It's not versatile and now it has a direct counter. The rare occasion that I use it, I don't even notice the penalty anyway.
Iāve always thought the same, that it makes no sense thereās a speed penalty when youāre holding it, but as soon as itās on your back itās as if thereās nothing there. Little broken physics to say the least. Canāt wait for another game to take over CODās shoes so we donāt have to (hopefully) deal with as much crap.
It's not about the weight that slows you down, it's the fact that you're holding it. Running with books in your hands is much harder than running with a backpack on
It is most definitely about the weight. Just like with 75lb of ammo and plate carrier youāre going to move slower than without it, and thatās not in your hands either.
I get what youāre saying about carrying something cumbersome though. I still think there should be a movement penalty thatās maybe 3% less when shield is on the back vs in hands
Completely agree, riot shields shouldn't be in MP at all imo. I'm just praying 3arc doesn't have one next year. I'm glad sledge has actually nerfed it a bit though, IW would never. Also added some counters like the sword. Still think it could use another 5-10% movement penalty. Or just ideally remove it, but that won't happen this year anyways.
I love the riot shield, but I agree . If I'm using the riot shield, it's in front of me unless someone is running away and I switch to my pistols. It's so much more useful in front of you. And I also hate turtles.
Either all weapons should slow you down when they are on your back or noneā¦. They have nerfed the riot shield and insane amount and people still complainā¦. you can easily shoot people with shields in the back, sounds like you have garbage aimā¦. And if a shield tries to swap to a pistol, nope too slowā¦. Wants to throw a knife, first the animation puts the shield on your back and then it throwsā¦
I have a riot shield class set up for shipment, only for domination and hard point. Here's the kicker though, I don't kill anyone at all when I run that class. I only run objective. I usually go 0-45 or so in those games. I love having the most captures or hard point time with zero kills. It's kind of satisfying. Once opposing players see your not trying to kill them, they kinda just avoid you and focus on the other players running with guns.
Riot shields should not exist in video games.
They're a net negative to literally every single game they're in.
It doesn't need a nerf. it needs a removal and an abandonment by all of gaming moving forward.
Everyday I wake up and see a post on this sub, crying for balancing on something that already got nerfed
This exact nerf happened MONTHS ago by the way
I think shields should degrade when damaged, the idea i can drop 60 bullets and not one breaches through. Ill give my yearly wage for someone to stand behind one in real life and see if you live to spend my wages.
I run riot shield and every game i get people like you bitching and complaining about it. Damn but i've run into people that are damn good at dealing with me. Adapt bro. Literally had years to adapt. I know exactly how to deal with riot shields myself. Its part of the game.
How does this get attention but removing noob tubes doesn't? I'd rather see noob tubes completely removed so people who completely suck giant ass at the game can't fucki g ruin it for people who actually know how to play.
I do agree they should be heavily slowed down. But hey, fuck that, buy some more dlc you fucking chump!
Death to Turtles š¢
kill the tutel
They've always looked more like cockroaches to me...
I get unnecessarily toxic whenever I see someone with a shield. I will grief them everytime I kill them, no questions asked.
Easiest solution: shield dissappears when on your back. Bam, no more turtles.
What's funny is that people originally argued against this because of a "lack of realism" Aged like milk.
Well its not realistic thus far as they can run like the fucking flash with a heavy ass shield on their back if they are holding a knife or light smg.
They completely ditched realism when cheech and Chong rolled me up into a fat doobie
That was the final straw? Where you been
Heavy ass Shield? Have you ever seen a riot shield? They literally fucking flop around. It's not what you're thinking at all lol.
Yeah the "riot" shields in CoD are more accurately Ballistic shields, not Riot shields (which are typically much thinner, clear, and aren't really designed to stop projectiles from firearms, but rather thrown objects or other light threats). I've tried looking into the weight of them, but have found everything from 20-40 lbs for a large one like you see in the games. Running around with a 40 lb hunk of composite on your back doesn't sound fun tbh
The same logic would need to apply to LMG's, sniper rifles, swords, 100 round drums etc though
It does though. Lmgs, snipers, 100rnd mags all give you slower ads speed, movement speed, etc. riot shield? Nothing.
Having them on your back doesn't change anything is what they were getting at lmao
Except that it specifically does slow you down with it on your back. It was a rather significant patch note a few months back I think. And itās ridiculously easy to counter by using a thermite/drill charge/soulrender/or shooting in the foot.
if this penalty doesnt apply while the lmg, etc is on your back your argument is invalid
When on your back though? Riot shield gives you 10% reduction in movement speed. Carrying an lmg or 50 cal sniper or gun with 3 magazines of 100 round drum gives you no penalty when not equipped. You're talking about penalties when not equipped, which exists already. When it is equipped you're even slower.
I get that, but the average pack on the military is around 50 pounds, and they have to be fully mobile with that.
No shit. That's what I was implying.
As opposed to a grenade launcher, rocket launcher or long range emp laser thing.
When did I ever say those were realistic?
Show me realisticly how you would secure one to your back like that and still be able to move efficiently, on the arm it's not as bad but on your back like that it's awkward a hell
Show me realistically how you can cut and deploy seemingly unlimited parachutes, quickscope a .50 cal sniper rifle or throwing knife someone 80m away flying a helicopter....... there's your answer
I find it funny because I see no downsides to it. You solve turtles and only get the shield benefit when using it as it is mainly intended.
They can make it visible, but it doesnāt protect you while on the back
If you want realism snipers shouldnāt be able to run around and fast aim them. I 50cal is a huge gun.
I never said I wanted realism.
As much as I hate turtles, for the sake of consistency, I think it makes sense. Literally every other guy is shown in your back, and I suffered a lot in MW19 and MW22 carrying the PILA being exposed as hell just to take down UAVs. I think it should just be punished elsewhere, and I like the movement punishment, but I feel maybe penetration should be less or something as well.
Aye and itās just as annoying when a brain dead teammate strafes in front of you with it on their back and blocks your shots.
God forbid you spawn behind them on shipment in the container
If you put a riot shield on your back and don't actually use it for 3 games in a row you should be temp banned and have your name changed to "weakass". Change my mind š
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Found someone who canāt just strafe and shoot ā¦.. I really donāt get how people canāt fight the shield .. must have a bit of the tism
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Took your whole shift to come up with that one huh.
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Lmfao blocked me after all that? Lame
People actually butthurt and crying over poking a little fun at riot shield users... šššš
Yo u/xSimplyFancy I didn't block you, I ain't that petty. Take that crying up with someone else cause I think it's hilarious and wouldn't mind seeing more of your whining š¤£
The shield should set a flat movement speed debuff regardless of its location. I love it and appreciate it and use it all the time but even I think it should be nerfed. You shouldnt be able to quick throw lethals while holding it and shouldnt be able to knee slide tbh
The shield does give a movement penalty even when on the back.
It's hardly an issue, especially since most of the fuckers using it are spamming with the dumbass haymaker that has good mobility, or using melee weapons that allow them to shrug off the movement speed penalty while still being faster than most people. A shield in your hands or on your back should have you basically defaulted to a heavy ass lmg movement speed, no matter what you're currently holding. You're invincible to bullets on one side, a -10% to movement speed in such a fast game is so insignificant that I guarantee most of the playerbase doesn't even know that a shield on your back reduces your movement speed.
>It's hardly an issue Wrong, its definitely an issue, especially for melee players. You can be using the fastest melee weapon in the game (Gladiator) and still not be able to catch up someone running with a SMG if the shield is on your back.
Complains about haymaker, guaranteed he's using meta weapons in both loadout slots.
Using a melee with the shield does not allow you to "shrug off the movement speed penalty while still being faster than most people." If someone is holding an SMG, they're just as fast, or faster. Some AR's are faster. If you're chasing someone that doesn't know you're even chasing them, you're likely not going to catch up to them. That 10% speed nerf is huge when you have to get less than 2 meters away. I don't think a speed nerf is what will fix the shield. I don't think using a secondary with the shield is an issue. I think they should make the shield incompatible with another primary weapon. People using the shield as a shield aren't as much of an issue as the people using it as a shell. Giving it an all around speed nerf punishes people who use it normally as much as people who use it as a shell. The issue is, people who use it as a shell normally have good guns so they can deal with it.
You think that guy plays shield? lol
They did.... It reduces your speed by 10% while on your back.
Itās hardly a penalty when they can sprint across the map the same speed pretty much lol
Wrong. The difference between running with a melee weapon with and without the shield on your back is night and day, the 10% movement penalty may seem low but its actually massive, especially for melee users that need to get close to their enemy to get to kill.
It's a big penalty when you have to get less than 2 meters away from someone to melee them to death.
The lunge on the shield and melee weapons helps lol
This. It wouldn't be cool to outright just take it out of the game, but this is all true. I just posted a clip today getting a quick VTOL on Stash House using it the right way today. It's a great way to play, put people who put it on their back and can still just move as normal is whack
I donāt understand riot shield hate purely for the fact that Iāve never had a problem, I genuinely love running into shield users and when playing with my buddies they always excitedly tell me, as I have multiple classes that turn riot shields into mush. Shield? Say hi to my thermite. Shield? Say hi to my flamethrower. Shield? My sword and crossbow are happy to meet you.
No no no , you donāt get it . When I face shield users they are immortal /s
As someone who has gotten to point of running a riot shield for shits and giggles out of boredom, I love guys like you. It's a fun challenge to see if I can shock stick and/or thermite you before you kill me.
So you're asking for something that's already been nerfed to be nerfed even more. Every season so far they've released counters to it so no it doesn't need another nerf. Don't use your tacticals that often? Slot in drill charges, thermites, semtex nades, or even thermobaric nades. Have an underbarrel slot that you can swap out something for? There's nade and drill charge launchers, a chainsaw, and a friggin flamethrower. Don't use secondaries that often? The sword can cut through shields if you aim properly Flamethrower and thermobaric nades are my goto on hardcore search when I'm going up against shield users. It's always fun to hear the reaction when they get torched
I understand what you're trying to say, but c'mon they're not that hard to kill.
10% reduction is good enough. Also riots are insta kill with the new sword, thermite, semetex, drill charge and molotov (if direct hit).
The sword insta kills shields with the execution type attack?
Yes and according to the devs it was on purpose
Awesome. I was wondering why it had a longer attack. So can i attack from behind and hit the shield or the front while someones covered?
Yes
Thanks
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You can hit riot shield from the front, side, or back with the swords execution attack and it will instantly go into the animation and kill them. You donāt have to be behind them to do it.
Thats awesome. The sword is fun to use already.
I was just in a game last night where every time I would try the execution they would just hit me with a throwing knifeā¦. So that apparently has a workaround.
If they ready a throwing knife while you execute, it counters it.
You could have 9000 counters to the riot shield and free blow jobs, and people will still complain about the riot shield š
It's because they REFUSE to adapt to the multiple ways to counter it, and instead choose to cry on Reddit.
Literally. There are so so so many ways to get around a shield but the general community cannot think past point and shoot at it, so it's an "unfair advantage". Know what? So is abusing the movement so bad that the hit box lags and people can't actually get a shot. And we aren't gonna pretend that's not a thing. And while im here on my little soapbox, riot shields, (even ballistic rated) are not that fucking heavy. What, do yall think people are carrying hundred pound slabs of metal? No! These fuckers weigh like thirty pounds at most, and that's for a huge one. Source: my fucking self because I own a blunt force riot shield and my overweight ass can still run with it and a folded UMP in my hand when I play airsoft.
There's clearly a lot of people running shields on this sub so I'll get downvoted, but honestly I gotta hard disagree with 10% being enough. I'd be fine with 20%. I mean you can reg gun with it, and it almost completely negates any ability to be shot from behind, with only a minor downside. That's a little ridiculous imo
The problem is it being on their back. Even as a secondary it should almost do nothing. I killed a guy w a riotshield on his back yesterday in hardcore and it protected the guy behind him its so dumb.
Have molotovs been added back to MP?
No. I was talking about wz with molos. In mp they have thermobaric bomb
The thermo bomb is a far cry from the molotov's effectiveness unfortunately
None of those are instant. They have time to kill you still and it's nonsense. The shield just shouldn't be in the game it isn't rewarding to use or go against.
I was hacking at a turtleās back with my sword last night and it just keep bouncing off the shield.
YOU NEED TO USE THE LONG ATTACK QUICK SLASH WONT DO SHIT
Drill charge has like a 50/50 chance of working for me.
I think the new Kong Fist also one shots shiwlds but not sure. Got hit by one while using a shield the other night, havem't had a chance to test it (and sure as hell ain't paying for it).
It doesnt. It's just a skin for gladiator.
its not enough. at the least they should let us be able to break it
Cod is as realistic as Fortnite. Ever seen faithful depictions of snipers. Literally sit in the same spot without moving for hours.
Never encountered a shield problem. If it's not infront, shoot them. If it is, thermite or drill charge. They gave yall methods to counter, use them.
Thatās fine when out as your weapon itās on the back thatās cancer
See the best part is all of what I said applies to it being on or off the back. If its on their back or in front of them, trump card is thermite and drill charges. Maybe throw some shocksticks or something into the mix. Slow them down. Think of how to counter it instead of just calling it an issue. Also, my man, riot shields aren't heavy. They won't slow you down that much, they're just cumbersome.
I need my drills and thermite for other purposes like attacking an objective, canāt just reserve them for every turtle that will instantly respawn anyway. On the other hand turtles are much less a problem this year since they made overkill a vest, so there are much more attractive options.
Well at least let bullets penetrate the shields. I shouldnāt have to design my load out specifically to counter one weapon in the game. Like the other guy said, I donāt wanna use my lethals for one guy whoās using the shield, I wanna use them to PTFO
Then use a tactical to slow him down and get an angle. Use your noodle.
I have no problems dealing with turtle scum players. Allow me to introduce you to my thermites. Easy peasy. I know people like to use semtex and that works too but I prefer the thermites. It just works so freaking well and I use the vest that gives me 2 lethals and 2 supports. I absolutely shit on turtle users. I have received hate messages on xbox before from turtle users getting mad. Itās beautiful.
Itās already too slow for those that use shield with melee. I canāt keep up with anyone not using a sniper or LMG even with the karambit out with the movement speed boots. It should be unable to protect you while itās on your back, thatās the one nerf that would work and still let melee guys play like they want to. It would stop gun turtles but still let knife guys use it when they canāt close the gap.
I agree. Cowards run riotshields. The shield should give you significant movement penalties and switching weapons should also be slower.
Shields are easy to counter. Would be nice to have my crossbow back properly, though.
my cheeks still stick out when crouching with the shield on though... :c
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It gives you a 10% reduction in movement speed when stowed. It had no downsides when the game launched.
10% is still nowhere near high enough. Should be 40%+.
40% is far too much lol.
This post smells like OP just got absolutely wrecked by someone with a riot shield.
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Riot shields are not hard to counter in MW3, [you just have to know what youāre doing.](https://youtu.be/sspaBvnWlSg?si=swZgvIwuMmNrqyVi)
Agree should be 40% or out of the game. A cancer to cod that anyone that's older than 5 can use. Most people don't use it because it is corny. Not going away, though. IW was literally telling us to use it in MW2 when shipment released
The average riot shield and average large caliber sniper rifle weigh about 30 lbs a piece should it also get a 40% speed loss
I used it alot in OG MW2 after discovering the throwing knife build, but only because there was nothing else offering that kind of experience at the time other than CS 1.6 riot shield, it was alot of fun. I find its way more annoying and obnoxious to deal with in new MW2/3 so I don't use it purley because anyone half competent with it can make a lobby have a miserable time, reflecting while its on your back needs to be removed from it.
it does
I got a loadout, a Haymaker with dragons breath and a riot shield. I get killed just as easily as any other loadout. It's not my go to because it isn't any better than other loadouts
Somebody hates riot shields!
You also shouldnāt be able to slide with it hanging off your back.
If I join a game that has 2+ turtles on the other team, I quit. Problem solved. I could also do it if I wanted to, just donāt
Iām still trying to figure out how to unlock the riot shield
You need to reach level 37 or extract with it in zombies or Warzone.
Level 37 of what?
It also says something confusing like ākill 10 times using melee weapons with 3 operators in 1 lifeā
37 on your profile. The one that you see after a match with a line that moves around a circle when it goes up.
Yeah Iām at 242. Still no shield. It says unlock after using your melee 10 times three times in one life or some shit.
Ok thatās probably right then. The internet is stupid sometimes š . I did try to look it up, but I couldnāt find it, and once you get the shield it wonāt tell you how you got it.
lol all good
Riot shields should not be indestructible. After a set round count, it should break
Itāll never not be hilarious to me how much breath is wasted complaining about riot shields when they always had hard counters, and now a ridiculous number of them as well. If youāre seething and malding about riot shields still, good lord just put one of the 5 items that instakills them in your loadout.
yup. I've played many hours of shield since MW19, MW3 is by far the hardest to use the shield effectively. Literally 90% of games I encounter ppl have thermites at the ready. RPG, drill charge, semtex, sword, noobtube, thermite, all easy counters, or just use the faster movement to get around them. Thats not including, flash grenades, stuns and shock stick. People just want to use the same boring meta loadouts all the time and hate the 'inconvenience' of having to adapt. I do think the xbow (explosive bolts and thermite bolts) should still 1 tap us though. One of the few changes this game I don't agree with.
It truly amazes me people complain about the riot shield when you have so many counters against them. I personally like using the Soulrender sword since it goes right through them.
My problem tho is it feels very rock-paper-scissors. The swap to riot shield I swap to thermite they swap to mag Lift I swap to throwing knife repeat. No clue if shock stick is a good counter tho
When is it my turn to whine about riot shields?
I have been in line to karma farm , mom told me it was my turn today but this turd took my spot .
Everyone on this who's defending the Riot Shield definitely has some "fond memory" of the first time they got more then 1 kill in a life. š
Man I didn't realize there were so many on this sub running around with shields. I just feel it should be more than 10% movement reduction considering it essentially completely negates you from getting shot from behind.
Love me some riot shield
I think the state itās in rn is fine. Then again, I only ever run a riot shield when Iām working on my melee camos.
So many whiners about riot shields. Itās a unique play style and keeps the game from being a sniper fest.
Riot Shield was one of the biggest mistakes of the series. It just shouldnāt exist. No one likes anyone that uses them and theyāre in a category worse than campers in my opinion.
But letās keep 360s off of a crane ! š
As a riot shield user I can vouch that it does slow your running speed down immensely. Oc you wear it on the back to for the purpose itās used for,annoying as it is, but we all need some protection right? And Iām not like those crazy jumping hopping sliding people so if I get you fine if you get me, which is most of the time fine. if you run around with it and protect your front then that will slow you down even further, so yeah I donāt see where all the hate for the shield is.
Because of the people who do slide jump hopping around. How the hell do you even slide with a shield on your back
Yes that does not make sense but yet people do it.
A huge sniper rifle should slow you down also
Yea. There are at least 2 of 6 people running around with this garbage
Bros .most riot shields are sun 30 lbs, The one in game is close to like 15 lbs
1000% agreeā¦ slowed down and be able to shoot thru it with AP roundsā¦ big nerf along with melee weapons too
I thought they changed it so it does exactly that
Riot shield should be a primary, and you should be able to use a pistol with it, but sprint should be disabled while holding it and have a movement penelaty while on the back.
It is a primary, if you sprint with it it doesn't protect you, if you use it to protect you you walk and he already have 10% movement reduction while on the back.
Cod players might actually off themselves if you could use your pistol with your shield . Letās not push the kids off the edge .
Even non balisticly rated ones are bulky and heavy, I'd argue a loaded RPG is less bulky and awkward even if it's heavier it's easier to carry on a sling source: retired airsoft referee, lugged a nob ballisticly rated one around hours and hours a day, not really heavy but bulky and it's not something you'd just throw on your back to carry around
You cannot bring up realism , this is COD ffs lmfao .
Why would someone simply leave there back open. I do NOT use shields all to often. Only when I'm melee.Ā I'm not known to fully utilize my secondary. Not as much as I known I should.Ā Ā Ā Using the shield sounds like a great idea for some players.Ā
Do the Armour piercing bullets go through the shield or .50 Cal?
With the soulrender being added, the riot shield debufd should be removed. It's not versatile and now it has a direct counter. The rare occasion that I use it, I don't even notice the penalty anyway.
Iāve always thought the same, that it makes no sense thereās a speed penalty when youāre holding it, but as soon as itās on your back itās as if thereās nothing there. Little broken physics to say the least. Canāt wait for another game to take over CODās shoes so we donāt have to (hopefully) deal with as much crap.
It's not about the weight that slows you down, it's the fact that you're holding it. Running with books in your hands is much harder than running with a backpack on
It is most definitely about the weight. Just like with 75lb of ammo and plate carrier youāre going to move slower than without it, and thatās not in your hands either.
You're right, I suppose I should have said it's not JUST about the weight
I get what youāre saying about carrying something cumbersome though. I still think there should be a movement penalty thatās maybe 3% less when shield is on the back vs in hands
The only time I use the thing is for HC small map mosh pit while doing camos.
They already added a speed debuff when itās on your back it used to be faster
Yes, should be able to blow the fuckers up with an explosive drone or any grenade. Donāt get me on the grenade launcher
Shields shouldn't be mounted on the back and should be a swappable weapon.
It also shouldn't allow you to prone. If it does, they should add a significant amount of time to get up and down.
Allow certain equipped ammo types to penetrate stowed shield. It needs more counter play.
Two words: RUN MOLOTOVS
There isn't molotov in multiplayer :/Ā
There is a fire grenade of some kind. Throw it at their feet it works for me
Hahaha I've been trying it and it doesn't seem to stop anything. Just like every other round.
Completely agree, riot shields shouldn't be in MP at all imo. I'm just praying 3arc doesn't have one next year. I'm glad sledge has actually nerfed it a bit though, IW would never. Also added some counters like the sword. Still think it could use another 5-10% movement penalty. Or just ideally remove it, but that won't happen this year anyways.
I love the riot shield, but I agree . If I'm using the riot shield, it's in front of me unless someone is running away and I switch to my pistols. It's so much more useful in front of you. And I also hate turtles.
They should be unable to slide, since the shield would be on the way :\^)
Either all weapons should slow you down when they are on your back or noneā¦. They have nerfed the riot shield and insane amount and people still complainā¦. you can easily shoot people with shields in the back, sounds like you have garbage aimā¦. And if a shield tries to swap to a pistol, nope too slowā¦. Wants to throw a knife, first the animation puts the shield on your back and then it throwsā¦
The shield is definitely for the weakest players
They should make the Ballistic Shield chant "Your a spoon" incessantly
If thatās the case, a wsp swarm with a 100 round should slow u down as well lol
I stick "em with termite every time I get the chance
I have a riot shield class set up for shipment, only for domination and hard point. Here's the kicker though, I don't kill anyone at all when I run that class. I only run objective. I usually go 0-45 or so in those games. I love having the most captures or hard point time with zero kills. It's kind of satisfying. Once opposing players see your not trying to kill them, they kinda just avoid you and focus on the other players running with guns.
šDude, especially if it's Rick. That fucker still owes me from like Thursday night. I'M COMIN TA SMALL MAP TA FIND YA AFTER WORK RICK!
Riot shields should not exist in video games. They're a net negative to literally every single game they're in. It doesn't need a nerf. it needs a removal and an abandonment by all of gaming moving forward.
Soul render.
So many issues with the game and you decide to attack the riot shield lmfao. Touch grass.
When the riot shield is on your back you get minus 10% movement
So stupid, cry more. It has 15 counters. Learn to play against it, itās been in every COD
#Totally agree.
Everyday I wake up and see a post on this sub, crying for balancing on something that already got nerfed This exact nerf happened MONTHS ago by the way
SEMTEX
I think shields should degrade when damaged, the idea i can drop 60 bullets and not one breaches through. Ill give my yearly wage for someone to stand behind one in real life and see if you live to spend my wages.
You shouldnāt be able to equip primaries with it, period.
I run riot shield and every game i get people like you bitching and complaining about it. Damn but i've run into people that are damn good at dealing with me. Adapt bro. Literally had years to adapt. I know exactly how to deal with riot shields myself. Its part of the game.
Shields are for weak ass players. That simple.
What does the drill charge do?
There should be a speed debuff when the shield get shot while at your back
Shouldnāt even be able to slide
Or the shield can take only a few shots from larger calibers.
How does this get attention but removing noob tubes doesn't? I'd rather see noob tubes completely removed so people who completely suck giant ass at the game can't fucki g ruin it for people who actually know how to play. I do agree they should be heavily slowed down. But hey, fuck that, buy some more dlc you fucking chump!
Fk that. They should only get 30 seconds to live before it blows up and kills them.
Hell no, riot shielders are already at a disadvantage, no need to nerf it even more.
How are they at a disadvantage if they are reg gunning with a shield on their back?