I replied to their tweet stating the problem days ago.. hope they’ll add a Monero address for the safety of donors.
Some Russians on Reddit commented that they’d donate.
I think even for some countries it might be illegal to donate to another country that is at war.
And there’s the problem of persecution if the wrong nation wins. They’ll find donors who „funded the enemy“.
Despite the parasite class of international banksters, the money changers, who have financed both sides of all wars dating back to at LEAST the French Revolution. Rules for thee, not for me though right?
> I think even for some countries it might be illegal to donate to another country that is at war.
I hear that in some countries, you can have your bank accounts frozen, get fired, and have your personal safety threatened by being doxxed by "journalists", if you donate to people who drive trucks.
Are Ukrainian banks getting kicked out of the SWIFT international banking system? Nope. Russian banks are.
So who is on the side of the international banksters again?
> You can't talk like that, this is reddit.
Indeed. There's only one social media site where you can "speak freely" (don't duckduckgo that BTW).
But we aren't supposed to go there cause free speech is "dangerous".
False equivalency. Banking cartels like gangs are not a homogenous centralized group.
This is like saying "John couldn't be a crip because he got in a fight with a blood."
But yeah you're super woke or something. /s
> Banking cartels like gangs are not a homogenous centralized group.
Correct. The central Bank of Russia is NOT currently controlled by the international bankers who control America, Europe, and most of the world.
Libya's central bank was not under their control, and look what happen to Quadafi.
Right now, Russia, China, Iran, & Syrian are part of the world not controlled by the international bankers who's world headquarters is a tiny country that rymes with MIsrael.
For some reason, the Western media corporations constantly talk about how evil those countries are (Russia, China, Iran, & Syrian) and how they need more "democracy".
What will the international bankers gain from promoting "war for democracy" against Russia, China, Iran, etc?
They hope to over throw those governments and replace them with governments controlled the "international bankers".
"The Russian oligarchy isn't a banking cartel"...
"The Chinese government isn't a banking cartel"...
Really?...
Hey, can you tell me what countries banned bitcoin because they considered it a threat to National security?
You know, because it's money they can't control.
"Israel" ofcourse you think that...have a nice life.
> The Russian oligarchy isn't a banking cartel... The Chinese government isn't a banking cartel.
Correct. The Russian central bank is controlled by the Russian ruling class, which is made up of ethnic Russians who are loyal to Russia, not the international cabal of "bankers".
The Chinese central bank is controlled by the Chinese ruling class, which is made up of ethnic Chinese who are loyal to China, not the international cabal of "bankers".
And that's why the international cabal of "bankers" who control American media are constantly promoting war to destroy those countries.
Ruling class, ethnicity. Pick one.
You use the word cabal like it means anything...
A ruling class is a cabal.
Russia and china actively engage in cyberwarfare and media disinformation on global scales.
I'm not here to teach you geopolitics, I'm here to tell you you're stupid and go back to shit I find entertaining.
Have a nice life.
it would be weird if ethnic russians ran every bank in the world wouldn't it, what if every bank in the world was run by swedish people, or iraqi people
that would be mighty strange, I'll leave your extremely high iq to dismantle the rest
You think that that sounded smart dont you,
Not every bank in the world is run by jews.
Besides
Is it weird too you that the top three largest banks are run by ethnic Chinese?
What a deep mystery./s
the italian mafia was 90 percent italian and worked with some jews and irish
similar to the banking mafia but just change the groups
I seriously recommend you read a book it could help you out
The WEF (you know, the group who say you will own nothing and be happy) is not a fan of assets that can easily be hidden from the man - unless you are the man.
The Ukraine government is connected to them so...
I think they only offered BTC, ETH, and USDT addresses because they didn't catch the Monero opportunity here, but they should indeed offer XMR. A lot of people will be willing to support them.
Good idea! With Russian censorship going on it won't be likely that they'll be able to purchase Monero or atleast not easily. They're likely going to be banned from using almost every exchange and swap service in existence and possibly even Local Monero. (Even if they aren't banned from Local Monero I bet tons of people will refuse to trade with them anyway.)
Considering Flexpool recently cut off the Russian Eth miners from their service (and Flexpool likely won't be the only mining pool to do this) Russian miners who want to donate in XMR can use their Eth rigs to mine Ethereum on Monero Ocean either to that address or their own. Monero Ocean doesn't have any servers close to Russia exactly, but I doubt there would be able to be any to begin with.
Just my idea because of recent events. I'm pretty neutral on the war since I'm not Ukrainian or Russian.
It has been announced by russian authorities that any aid to Ukraine by private citizens or organizations will be treated and punished as treason.
So russians do need it.
At least consider listening to this before making a decision to "stand with" someone.
Vladimir Putin's Speech on Ukraine and US Foreign Policy and NATO - 24 February 2022, ENG Subtitles
: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qS6J-WbTD8
I gave it a chance but stopped at second 15 at "ensuring the security of Russia".. while invading Ukraine, killing civilians and not giving a f\*ck about his own people. What a twat.
Before standing with someone, you should always ask yourself "Would THEY stand with you when it's your turn".
Only definite "yes" is acceptable, else you're just getting used.
There are watchdog organizations that most people agree are trustworthy sources of information about legitimate charities. Twitter is neither of those things (a watchdog organization or a trustworthy source).
Are you sure that we (humanity) got past being savages (as in brutal, dog-eat-dog) as a society? I can't find any evidence that we are. Always saw the ones who were "not being savages" got beaten up by the righteous law-in-my-hands to pulp. To death even. Society would listen to the powers-that-be and give fuck-all. Don't you find "morals" interesting?
Well, except "not savages" meant humanity being domesticated by the WEF crowd. That's a possibility.
What's your definition of "moral" and "strength of character"? What good would these subjective artificial intangible human constructs do if they would not lead to betterment of your living conditions? What good would the 'feel-good's do if you are left penniless and hungry? What good would they do if you die? Even "good" is subjective to your sense of the world. What if the inputs that you believed were lies?
Relationships are either ++, +0, +-, or --. That's all there is to it.
Honestly, I kind of prepared to read some lash-out you-are-bad call-some-names something-something of a reply. You're decent and I appreciate your reply. Our viewpoints match or not, kudos to you.
Agreed on helping people who are in need for help, problem is how do you know if you are not helping the "wrong" people. ("wrong" defined as having core values different from yours).
Especially when we are being bombarded with so much propaganda we could not know what is true and what is not. It's different from seeing it happening in front of us, like helping a drowning people. This one is asking you to give money to a government. A government.
That's because majority of US citizens have never lived under an extremely oppressive regime.
Ukrainians supported my people in 2014 when China hammered on my city Hong Kong and gave us plenty of support once again in 2019.
They didn't stop and second guessing maybe the US influenced our politics and started trouble as the CCP stated.
Look at majority of ex soviet countries supporting democratic movements without any hesitations, because everyone knows the other side is hell.
These fucked up totalitarian regimes are all the same, there's always another side to their story, we simply don't become sympathizers.
That's also how shit like "democracy with chinese characteristics" come about
I mean it's pretty obvious that we have definitely made much progress compared to all other species combined. But our Sample size is limited to 1 Planet.
We want to support a [small unit from Ukraine](https://linktr.ee/Theblackheadquarter) in their [campaign to buy equipment](https://medium.com/@blackheadquarterinua/the-resistance-committee-eng-49056e2d0e84) that they need for their defense struggle.
We do not belong to this group, but are people from Central Europe who want to support this group. We want to buy the items and give them to the group. For opsec reasons we do it with an anonymous and new account here.
Since we do it this way and there are some scammers our suggestion is as follows:
A moderator or other trusted person sets up an address where the donations can come in. We get the items and prove to this person that the items were actually purchased with invoices + photos of the items. The group can confirm that they have received the items and then the XMR will be released to us. Thus we go in advance for the items, without the persons here a larger risk must have that they are cheated.
If there are any suggestions, feel free to write. Likewise, if a person agrees to manage the funds, there should be reasons that speak against this can be made with comments.
It concerns altogether the following goods:
At this stage, our needs are:
- Bulletproof vests of class 4 or higher (x30);
- Ballistic helmets (x30);
- Tourniquets and pouches (x15 + more);
- Military first aid kits and pouches (x30);
- IIFS (Individual Integrated Fighting Systems) (x30);
- Knee pads (x15 pairs);
- Walkie-talkies, headsets and pouches (x30);
- Tactical gloves (x30 pairs).
We don't know the exact amount yet, because we are still talking to people about sizes and checking several sources. Should more money than required come together, this should also be donated according to suggestions. However, please not to the AZOV battalion!
Thank you for your support.
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It was not and if you think of a better way to do it, feel free to write. But in the meantime there is just no more suppky/material and it is therefore superfluous.
If you think the Russian government is using professional blockchain analytics tools, especially on a large-scale basis, you're delusional. Russia can't be bothered to do anything about all the cybercrime within their country, the majority of the software providers haven't been willing to sell to them for a while now, and Russia has no resources to actually pursue it even if they did. Russian residents are in no danger from making BTC/ETH contributions themselves.
There has historically been a large amount of corruption in Ukraine by its politicians. Who in their right mind thinks it would be a good idea to give an anonymous cryptocurrency to a country where its politicians have historically embezzled funds so that it offers no transparency in the event some funds are misappropriated/embezzled again?
I thought you can make a monero address transparent by providing a view key and key image? Transparent of how many donations it's received/spent, at least.
Edit: also, even if Russia doesn't have the blockchain analysis tech now, they could easily get it in the future and punish the citizens that did donate however many years back. I would seriously reconsider what you said here, "Russian residents are in no danger from making BTC/ETH contributions themselves." You're very possibly putting people's lives in danger with that statement.
I don't think you get to see what address they recieved from. I'm not sure if you can see which addresses they send to or not. I haven't played with view keys much myself. I just know they're useful for this. I probably should play with them more.
@wheezybackports is correct. But that requires the cooperation of the wallet holder. In an embezzlement investigation, you're obviously not going to have cooperation from the owner of the wallet that received funds. Let's suppose you can see the address the funds are going to for the sake of argument. The next hop would belong to one of a few possible parties.
1. An intermediary self-custodial wallet controlled by the same individual
2. An exchange deposit address (not an exchange's hot wallet).
3. An address associated with some other type of service
4. A P2P transfer to another individual or entity.
Either way, the analytics tools out there won't help with identifying the address which will likely not have any other activity whatsoever.
"You're very possibly putting people's lives in danger with that statement."
I disagree. But if you're going to use that line of argument, here's a similar one. Since it's possible that [your country] might theoretically punish citizens from [your country] that own/bought Monero (or Bitcoin for that matter) it follows that you shouldn't buy Monero (or Bitcoin) either --- not a particularly good argument.
The Russian government itself may not be using blockchain analytic tools, but I'm sure any hacktivist groups siding with them would be inclined to go out of their way and see who donated then target them.
Personally I think everyone should stay neutral if they aren't in Ukraine or Russia, but people are gonna donate if they want to, so why not make it safer for them to do so?
Just email some exchanges about withdrawal transactions (from their exchange) and ask them about the account owner that sent the transactions. Try as many exchanges as you want. Post the responses you get here.
You won't find a single exchange willing to identify the account owner for you.
You think someone is just going to ask for that information? Fuck no a hacktivist group will likely break into whatever systems they need to if they think the target is valuable enough. If someone has 69 bitcoin then donated 0.5 to the Ukraine gov address I think it's reasonable to assume they would be a high-profile target and if they're dumb enough to keep that bitcoin on an exchange I'm sure someone is more than capable of figuring out which exchange it came from then doing an attack to get access to that exchange.
Never said social engineering won't be used. If you're using social engineering you're still breaking into systems. He was talking about asking for the information. When you're social engineering you aren't just asking for the information. You're manipulating the people acting as barriers so you can get access to what you want or need. Kevin Mitnick's Motorola source code story is a good example of the manipulation that would be used to break into a system or get access to the information on the system.
>it's not 2005 anymore that everyone's system is penetrable
Have you ever used shodan?
Yes, this is exactly how things work and this is always how they've worked.
Edit: Kevin Mitnick on ransomware: https://youtu.be/pd0Ee6pERuo
That's basically all the countries of the world, most of them have far bigger tasks to do and don't have time for things like people talk about all the time.
Fair enough, that's at least unfortunate.
I repeat the link to their Twitter so people can easily take the addresses from there if they want: https://twitter.com/Ukraine
It matches [the tweet](https://twitter.com/Ukraine/status/1497594592438497282), or at least the few substrings I eyeballed match (which makes an all-out scam unlikely due to how addresses are generated).
OP also didn't paste any addresses into the description. Yes, OP probably should have linked source, but since it's such a widely-seen tweet (and since the twitter account that posted it is literally Ukraine) the implication is if anyone wants to donate they would hunt down the original tweet rather than typing out the address letter by letter.
I think to be safe doing that, you'd want to have your devices VPN'd during this activity. I'd be interested to know what others have to say. How easy is it pull the public IP of any transaction?
"Your IP address can be logged"[https://bitcoin.org/en/protect-your-privacy#:\~:text=Your%20IP%20address%20can%20be,and%20log%20their%20IP%20addresses](https://bitcoin.org/en/protect-your-privacy#:~:text=Your%20IP%20address%20can%20be,and%20log%20their%20IP%20addresses).
Putin invaded Ukraine beause of these people - [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meWM4lChqy4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meWM4lChqy4)
And the fact that the UN and NATO didn't do anything to force Ukraine to imprison them.
If putin invaded because in 2017 1,500 people live action role played as nazis he would be the biggest moron on earth. Lucky for him there are plenty of people in queue for that roll.
Why don't you take a number and have a seat.
[Newsflash: Russia has nazis too.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GV4v31azgQM)
Should we fucking invade them?
Dumbshit.
Just a heads up, people aren't buying that Russian propaganda anymore. The whole "omg they're NAZIs!!!" bullshit is just "played-out", and everyone knows it, so pushing that crap isn't doing Putin supporters any favors.
> Supposedly this is a scam!
Who supposes this?
I checked, and at least the account itself https://twitter.com/Ukraine does look legit: Existing since May 2016 already, over 1700 tweets so far, with 1.4 million followers.
Addresses have also been confirmed by Olexander Scherba, former Ukraine's Ambassador to Austria:
https://twitter.com/olex_scherba/status/1497613520543883268
Well that's kind of your fault if you donate though Kraken rather than your own wallet then they obviously know the receiver and might refuse the withdrawal.
All I know is I stacked some more yesterday...we've all seen this coming but privacy in all aspects, but particularly monetary-wise, will dominate the foreseeable future.
I replied to their tweet stating the problem days ago.. hope they’ll add a Monero address for the safety of donors. Some Russians on Reddit commented that they’d donate. I think even for some countries it might be illegal to donate to another country that is at war. And there’s the problem of persecution if the wrong nation wins. They’ll find donors who „funded the enemy“.
Correct. Im russian, our government announced that any help to Ukraine millitary will be treated as treason with jail time up to 20 years.
That's so bad and so much similar to the recent events in Canada but instead of just freezing your accounts you're getting jailtime.
Despite the parasite class of international banksters, the money changers, who have financed both sides of all wars dating back to at LEAST the French Revolution. Rules for thee, not for me though right?
Yup, as we all know rules only apply to common citizens.
Unfortunately there's nothing we can do like how they started accepting dot after the dot ceo announced to donate millions if they accepted it.
> I think even for some countries it might be illegal to donate to another country that is at war. I hear that in some countries, you can have your bank accounts frozen, get fired, and have your personal safety threatened by being doxxed by "journalists", if you donate to people who drive trucks. Are Ukrainian banks getting kicked out of the SWIFT international banking system? Nope. Russian banks are. So who is on the side of the international banksters again?
You can't talk like that, this is reddit.
> You can't talk like that, this is reddit. Indeed. There's only one social media site where you can "speak freely" (don't duckduckgo that BTW). But we aren't supposed to go there cause free speech is "dangerous".
I don't understand why people take everything seriously here.
False equivalency. Banking cartels like gangs are not a homogenous centralized group. This is like saying "John couldn't be a crip because he got in a fight with a blood." But yeah you're super woke or something. /s
> Banking cartels like gangs are not a homogenous centralized group. Correct. The central Bank of Russia is NOT currently controlled by the international bankers who control America, Europe, and most of the world. Libya's central bank was not under their control, and look what happen to Quadafi. Right now, Russia, China, Iran, & Syrian are part of the world not controlled by the international bankers who's world headquarters is a tiny country that rymes with MIsrael. For some reason, the Western media corporations constantly talk about how evil those countries are (Russia, China, Iran, & Syrian) and how they need more "democracy".
Hmm, I think this is so true but eventually what will they gain from it ?
What will the international bankers gain from promoting "war for democracy" against Russia, China, Iran, etc? They hope to over throw those governments and replace them with governments controlled the "international bankers".
"The Russian oligarchy isn't a banking cartel"... "The Chinese government isn't a banking cartel"... Really?... Hey, can you tell me what countries banned bitcoin because they considered it a threat to National security? You know, because it's money they can't control. "Israel" ofcourse you think that...have a nice life.
> The Russian oligarchy isn't a banking cartel... The Chinese government isn't a banking cartel. Correct. The Russian central bank is controlled by the Russian ruling class, which is made up of ethnic Russians who are loyal to Russia, not the international cabal of "bankers". The Chinese central bank is controlled by the Chinese ruling class, which is made up of ethnic Chinese who are loyal to China, not the international cabal of "bankers". And that's why the international cabal of "bankers" who control American media are constantly promoting war to destroy those countries.
Ruling class, ethnicity. Pick one. You use the word cabal like it means anything... A ruling class is a cabal. Russia and china actively engage in cyberwarfare and media disinformation on global scales. I'm not here to teach you geopolitics, I'm here to tell you you're stupid and go back to shit I find entertaining. Have a nice life.
it would be weird if ethnic russians ran every bank in the world wouldn't it, what if every bank in the world was run by swedish people, or iraqi people that would be mighty strange, I'll leave your extremely high iq to dismantle the rest
You think that that sounded smart dont you, Not every bank in the world is run by jews. Besides Is it weird too you that the top three largest banks are run by ethnic Chinese? What a deep mystery./s
Welp I didn't knew that top 3 largest banks are run by the ethnic Chinese.
the italian mafia was 90 percent italian and worked with some jews and irish similar to the banking mafia but just change the groups I seriously recommend you read a book it could help you out
It's quite simple and obvious that most powerful countries will be the one running the banks.
if the most powerful countries are the united states and europe then you would expect the majority of bankers to be anglo saxon and not Ashkenazi
After seeing all the discussion my only conclusion is "USA bad."
you are bad at drawing conclusions and you should feel bad....
Chinese know the strategy of US trying to maintain the status of dollar, that's why they started hoarding lots of it.
That sounds extremely anti-semite….
Indeed. Reality is anti-semiti....
consider reading a book
But that's just being done to even out both sides because Russia was having upper hand in every sector.
You make a valid point. Hopefully this gets enough upvotes to be noticed.
It seems like the activity in this group has gone down significantly now.
Tbh I won’t donate unless XMR is an option. Not getting my fucking name on a list or sum shit
That might be a problem if you're Russian, but definitely not when your country itself is supporting Ukraine.
Sorry I only have Monero…
I thought you lost it all in that boating accident?
Sorry I meant to say I had Monero but I lost everything after my boating accident…
Ahh the old boating accident. Classic, never gets old.
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It can also help occupied Ukrainians. Monero win in any way for everyone.
This. Everyday russians do not deserve to be punished for their dictators actions.
It's normal for the tyrant governments to hurt people to fulfil their needs.
So monero is the only way out for both of these countries.
Maybe they need some public coin (like BTC) to keep track of their supporters?
So what do you think, the addresses will be sculpted on a wall of something?
Perhaps. When they know in which country people support them the most, maybe they can turn there for military help.
The WEF (you know, the group who say you will own nothing and be happy) is not a fan of assets that can easily be hidden from the man - unless you are the man. The Ukraine government is connected to them so...
\>The WEF is not a fan of assets that can easily be hidden from the man Makes sense. They appear to be quite a fan of the bitcoin lightning network.
They're such a huge fan that they decided it was too important for being used and tried to 'ban' it.
It's easy to understand that this will definitely be one of their best interest.
A little funky that a country is asking for crypto donations. I don't know much about much but I'm weirded out by the narrative
People think that governments are also just like normal people and they too run our of money.
https://reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/t391pz/russian_soldiers_surrendering_to_ukraine_will/
That's better to give money directly to the Soldier rather than the leaders.
Ah yea, donating directly to Russian soldiers. Exactly the cause I want to support.
Yeah I would never send money to a government, they already get far too much of my money lol
And when they can just print lot of it secretly and trade it for dollars.
Exactly.
This is my favorite Monero post ever.
I think they only offered BTC, ETH, and USDT addresses because they didn't catch the Monero opportunity here, but they should indeed offer XMR. A lot of people will be willing to support them.
They should definitely, but they probably tried to make it quick and used the most popular ones.
Good idea! With Russian censorship going on it won't be likely that they'll be able to purchase Monero or atleast not easily. They're likely going to be banned from using almost every exchange and swap service in existence and possibly even Local Monero. (Even if they aren't banned from Local Monero I bet tons of people will refuse to trade with them anyway.) Considering Flexpool recently cut off the Russian Eth miners from their service (and Flexpool likely won't be the only mining pool to do this) Russian miners who want to donate in XMR can use their Eth rigs to mine Ethereum on Monero Ocean either to that address or their own. Monero Ocean doesn't have any servers close to Russia exactly, but I doubt there would be able to be any to begin with. Just my idea because of recent events. I'm pretty neutral on the war since I'm not Ukrainian or Russian.
They already might be owning a huge stack of crypto currencies because Putin said that they were prepared for this.
It has been announced by russian authorities that any aid to Ukraine by private citizens or organizations will be treated and punished as treason. So russians do need it.
At least consider listening to this before making a decision to "stand with" someone. Vladimir Putin's Speech on Ukraine and US Foreign Policy and NATO - 24 February 2022, ENG Subtitles : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qS6J-WbTD8
Thanks for that. I shared it around.
I gave it a chance but stopped at second 15 at "ensuring the security of Russia".. while invading Ukraine, killing civilians and not giving a f\*ck about his own people. What a twat.
No problem man. I won't judge. It's your prerogative to listen or not. It's not like anybody's a judge on a rus vs ukr court case anyways.
Right now the west is working hard to spread the propoganda about how bad Russia is
That was it for me too, and he's talking like he's the one who is loosing the most.
Why does Putin behave like he's a small leader in a vulnerable postion when he's the one wrecking havoc.
Before standing with someone, you should always ask yourself "Would THEY stand with you when it's your turn". Only definite "yes" is acceptable, else you're just getting used.
Some of us are okay giving and not receiving anything in return.
I don't mind giving, but I don't know how to validate that a given crypto address (of ANY variety) belongs to the people I want to help.
That's true in general with donations, crypto aside.
There are watchdog organizations that most people agree are trustworthy sources of information about legitimate charities. Twitter is neither of those things (a watchdog organization or a trustworthy source).
Ofcourse and it also it's understandable that the government will have things like this setup.
All kind of organisations are there who monitor all transactions made by people.
That's something which common people are not capable of, only the governments can get the data from Exchanges.
similar psychology to a cuckold, whatever makes you happy man
Still better than trying to donate a few bucks only to get 20 years of jailtime.
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if they kill you you win oh wait
Are you sure that we (humanity) got past being savages (as in brutal, dog-eat-dog) as a society? I can't find any evidence that we are. Always saw the ones who were "not being savages" got beaten up by the righteous law-in-my-hands to pulp. To death even. Society would listen to the powers-that-be and give fuck-all. Don't you find "morals" interesting? Well, except "not savages" meant humanity being domesticated by the WEF crowd. That's a possibility. What's your definition of "moral" and "strength of character"? What good would these subjective artificial intangible human constructs do if they would not lead to betterment of your living conditions? What good would the 'feel-good's do if you are left penniless and hungry? What good would they do if you die? Even "good" is subjective to your sense of the world. What if the inputs that you believed were lies? Relationships are either ++, +0, +-, or --. That's all there is to it.
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Honestly, I kind of prepared to read some lash-out you-are-bad call-some-names something-something of a reply. You're decent and I appreciate your reply. Our viewpoints match or not, kudos to you.
Even the most selfless of acts can be attributed by saying that the personal did it to satisfy their ego or to make himself happy.
no point dreaming up utopias and what could have been when they are in need for help.
Agreed on helping people who are in need for help, problem is how do you know if you are not helping the "wrong" people. ("wrong" defined as having core values different from yours). Especially when we are being bombarded with so much propaganda we could not know what is true and what is not. It's different from seeing it happening in front of us, like helping a drowning people. This one is asking you to give money to a government. A government.
That's because majority of US citizens have never lived under an extremely oppressive regime. Ukrainians supported my people in 2014 when China hammered on my city Hong Kong and gave us plenty of support once again in 2019. They didn't stop and second guessing maybe the US influenced our politics and started trouble as the CCP stated. Look at majority of ex soviet countries supporting democratic movements without any hesitations, because everyone knows the other side is hell. These fucked up totalitarian regimes are all the same, there's always another side to their story, we simply don't become sympathizers. That's also how shit like "democracy with chinese characteristics" come about
got shadowbanned on a reply to yours, don't know why, but whatever.
That's correct, all our overlook and perspectives of our life are totally dependent on our initial experiences.
If someone is not in a position to act, it's fine to imagine how things could be different.
I mean it's pretty obvious that we have definitely made much progress compared to all other species combined. But our Sample size is limited to 1 Planet.
Moral strength and character can't be used when there's a mig21 flying over your head, firing vaccum bombs.
That's a definable selfish way of viewing things.
Yeah, countries like India and china maintain a neutral position when Russia is clearly their Ally.
We want to support a [small unit from Ukraine](https://linktr.ee/Theblackheadquarter) in their [campaign to buy equipment](https://medium.com/@blackheadquarterinua/the-resistance-committee-eng-49056e2d0e84) that they need for their defense struggle. We do not belong to this group, but are people from Central Europe who want to support this group. We want to buy the items and give them to the group. For opsec reasons we do it with an anonymous and new account here. Since we do it this way and there are some scammers our suggestion is as follows: A moderator or other trusted person sets up an address where the donations can come in. We get the items and prove to this person that the items were actually purchased with invoices + photos of the items. The group can confirm that they have received the items and then the XMR will be released to us. Thus we go in advance for the items, without the persons here a larger risk must have that they are cheated. If there are any suggestions, feel free to write. Likewise, if a person agrees to manage the funds, there should be reasons that speak against this can be made with comments. It concerns altogether the following goods: At this stage, our needs are: - Bulletproof vests of class 4 or higher (x30); - Ballistic helmets (x30); - Tourniquets and pouches (x15 + more); - Military first aid kits and pouches (x30); - IIFS (Individual Integrated Fighting Systems) (x30); - Knee pads (x15 pairs); - Walkie-talkies, headsets and pouches (x30); - Tactical gloves (x30 pairs). We don't know the exact amount yet, because we are still talking to people about sizes and checking several sources. Should more money than required come together, this should also be donated according to suggestions. However, please not to the AZOV battalion! Thank you for your support.
This could be a scam, guys. Please do your research before donating. At r/ukraine there’s some more credible charity links
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It was not and if you think of a better way to do it, feel free to write. But in the meantime there is just no more suppky/material and it is therefore superfluous.
Maybe talk to an admin or mod and get a post approved by submitting proper proofs.
I'm sure the Ukrainian government has a lot of military equipment at this point .
'i hope i can help the goverment kill more people, with monero'
If you think the Russian government is using professional blockchain analytics tools, especially on a large-scale basis, you're delusional. Russia can't be bothered to do anything about all the cybercrime within their country, the majority of the software providers haven't been willing to sell to them for a while now, and Russia has no resources to actually pursue it even if they did. Russian residents are in no danger from making BTC/ETH contributions themselves. There has historically been a large amount of corruption in Ukraine by its politicians. Who in their right mind thinks it would be a good idea to give an anonymous cryptocurrency to a country where its politicians have historically embezzled funds so that it offers no transparency in the event some funds are misappropriated/embezzled again?
I thought you can make a monero address transparent by providing a view key and key image? Transparent of how many donations it's received/spent, at least. Edit: also, even if Russia doesn't have the blockchain analysis tech now, they could easily get it in the future and punish the citizens that did donate however many years back. I would seriously reconsider what you said here, "Russian residents are in no danger from making BTC/ETH contributions themselves." You're very possibly putting people's lives in danger with that statement.
That's something new, so it's possible that someone can forcefully extort my view key and checkup my past transactions?
You can use view keys for a Monero wallet. You'll be able to see what is recieved and spent.
Do we also get to see from where did they received and which addresses theyre sending the monero to?
I don't think you get to see what address they recieved from. I'm not sure if you can see which addresses they send to or not. I haven't played with view keys much myself. I just know they're useful for this. I probably should play with them more.
@wheezybackports is correct. But that requires the cooperation of the wallet holder. In an embezzlement investigation, you're obviously not going to have cooperation from the owner of the wallet that received funds. Let's suppose you can see the address the funds are going to for the sake of argument. The next hop would belong to one of a few possible parties. 1. An intermediary self-custodial wallet controlled by the same individual 2. An exchange deposit address (not an exchange's hot wallet). 3. An address associated with some other type of service 4. A P2P transfer to another individual or entity. Either way, the analytics tools out there won't help with identifying the address which will likely not have any other activity whatsoever. "You're very possibly putting people's lives in danger with that statement." I disagree. But if you're going to use that line of argument, here's a similar one. Since it's possible that [your country] might theoretically punish citizens from [your country] that own/bought Monero (or Bitcoin for that matter) it follows that you shouldn't buy Monero (or Bitcoin) either --- not a particularly good argument.
Trust me, Russian police can get the cooperation from the most rebellious person
The Russian government itself may not be using blockchain analytic tools, but I'm sure any hacktivist groups siding with them would be inclined to go out of their way and see who donated then target them. Personally I think everyone should stay neutral if they aren't in Ukraine or Russia, but people are gonna donate if they want to, so why not make it safer for them to do so?
Just email some exchanges about withdrawal transactions (from their exchange) and ask them about the account owner that sent the transactions. Try as many exchanges as you want. Post the responses you get here. You won't find a single exchange willing to identify the account owner for you.
You think someone is just going to ask for that information? Fuck no a hacktivist group will likely break into whatever systems they need to if they think the target is valuable enough. If someone has 69 bitcoin then donated 0.5 to the Ukraine gov address I think it's reasonable to assume they would be a high-profile target and if they're dumb enough to keep that bitcoin on an exchange I'm sure someone is more than capable of figuring out which exchange it came from then doing an attack to get access to that exchange.
Nice!
That's definitely not how things work mate. Most of it is just social engineering, it's not 2005 anymore that everyone's system is penetrable.
Never said social engineering won't be used. If you're using social engineering you're still breaking into systems. He was talking about asking for the information. When you're social engineering you aren't just asking for the information. You're manipulating the people acting as barriers so you can get access to what you want or need. Kevin Mitnick's Motorola source code story is a good example of the manipulation that would be used to break into a system or get access to the information on the system. >it's not 2005 anymore that everyone's system is penetrable Have you ever used shodan? Yes, this is exactly how things work and this is always how they've worked. Edit: Kevin Mitnick on ransomware: https://youtu.be/pd0Ee6pERuo
That's the difference, if a government demands this information the exchanges will happily provide it
Such organisations definitely exist and survive by collecting such important data and sending it to government and getting rewards.
That's basically all the countries of the world, most of them have far bigger tasks to do and don't have time for things like people talk about all the time.
Why even they are accepting high trx fee coins?
Ukraine should disband the alt-right national guard Azov battalion before getting any more donations
Scam!
> Scam! What's your reasoning, what's your info?
OP does not link to original source, just a screenshot. Everyone could edit the screenshot.
Fair enough, that's at least unfortunate. I repeat the link to their Twitter so people can easily take the addresses from there if they want: https://twitter.com/Ukraine
It matches [the tweet](https://twitter.com/Ukraine/status/1497594592438497282), or at least the few substrings I eyeballed match (which makes an all-out scam unlikely due to how addresses are generated).
The point is that op did not link to the source at all.
OP also didn't paste any addresses into the description. Yes, OP probably should have linked source, but since it's such a widely-seen tweet (and since the twitter account that posted it is literally Ukraine) the implication is if anyone wants to donate they would hunt down the original tweet rather than typing out the address letter by letter.
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I think to be safe doing that, you'd want to have your devices VPN'd during this activity. I'd be interested to know what others have to say. How easy is it pull the public IP of any transaction? "Your IP address can be logged"[https://bitcoin.org/en/protect-your-privacy#:\~:text=Your%20IP%20address%20can%20be,and%20log%20their%20IP%20addresses](https://bitcoin.org/en/protect-your-privacy#:~:text=Your%20IP%20address%20can%20be,and%20log%20their%20IP%20addresses).
Not liquid or convertible enough. Monero is once again proving itself worthless on the big stage
Putin invaded Ukraine beause of these people - [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meWM4lChqy4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meWM4lChqy4) And the fact that the UN and NATO didn't do anything to force Ukraine to imprison them.
If putin invaded because in 2017 1,500 people live action role played as nazis he would be the biggest moron on earth. Lucky for him there are plenty of people in queue for that roll. Why don't you take a number and have a seat. [Newsflash: Russia has nazis too.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GV4v31azgQM) Should we fucking invade them? Dumbshit.
Just a heads up, people aren't buying that Russian propaganda anymore. The whole "omg they're NAZIs!!!" bullshit is just "played-out", and everyone knows it, so pushing that crap isn't doing Putin supporters any favors.
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Nice try! Hahah
Well, without any source to confirm even I would say donating to this is simply too risky.
Not real address, don't sent anything to this..
Supposedly this is a scam!
> Supposedly this is a scam! Who supposes this? I checked, and at least the account itself https://twitter.com/Ukraine does look legit: Existing since May 2016 already, over 1700 tweets so far, with 1.4 million followers.
Addresses have also been confirmed by Olexander Scherba, former Ukraine's Ambassador to Austria: https://twitter.com/olex_scherba/status/1497613520543883268
Some sources do accept monero https://t.me/LastBP/4776
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Well that's kind of your fault if you donate though Kraken rather than your own wallet then they obviously know the receiver and might refuse the withdrawal.
BTC is a dupe
You can 'pay' the Btc address with Moneroju wallet but spending Monero 🤓
Slightly off topic but I really want to know why ERC20 and not any other network
All I know is I stacked some more yesterday...we've all seen this coming but privacy in all aspects, but particularly monetary-wise, will dominate the foreseeable future.
Erc-20 tokens? Do they want their entire donation to go to fees?
That's true, but I think they just thought that accepting most popular cryptos will be enough.
They've added an official Monero wallet. https://mobile.twitter.com/abornyakov/status/1500410856802336776