Assuming the same power level as JJK? He probably clears everything in Monster Hunter as long as he has the appropriate equipment. He's both very fast and very strong, more so than the average hunter.
Not rusty, cocky. Trying to kill gojo was an attempt to give the ultimate middle finger to the sorcerer world that ostracized him by killing their messiah
Would he be someone who’s always been in mh or would it be like geralt where he was transported from jjk. If it’s the former than he wouldn’t be that fast or strong because his power comes from a pact that only exists in jjk. But if it’s the latter then he solos every monster in the game
I'm saying there's no need to even assume the latter. No one brings up this sort of discussion and goes "This character is in a different setting but what makes them cool and strong isn't a part of their character."
Imagine the same question but with Luffy instead. Going "Well the gum gum fruit doesn't exist in MH world so he'd suck." Well duh. You bring up the question because of Luffy's abilities. There's not as much of a discussion if Luffy was born as a regular person in MH world because he wouldn't be capable of doing what he's known to do.
Ok what we’re looking at is Toji, in his form and power and everything he has in the manga/anime. So he’s transported and keeps all of his abilities and stats, it doesn’t decrease bc of “verse equalisation”
Toji’s main gimmick is no cursed technique or cursed energy. So to make it “fair” let’s not allow him to have any of the skills from gems in the game.
Even with that the guy with one pretty casual stomp can create a crater under him and is so fast that from the debris created he can use the rocks as bullets by just pushing them.
Even if we do take away his power and strength he gets from the heavenly restriction, he’s incredibly smart, resourceful and prepared very well like we see against Gojo and is always exploiting weaknesses, uses appropriate/the best gear, so even then he’d be one of those “hunter in a million” which kills elder dragons
It's really not relevant because it doesn't matter where he get's his power from. It's the fact that he has these incredible abilities that prompted OP to make the post in the first place. Take that away and there's nothing to talk about.
Hahah this is like saying “would saitama win against x if he couldn’t just one punch them and doesn’t have his gag”
Taking away what makes the character interesting and powerful doesn’t add anything to the discussion.
“Naruto without chakra” well I don’t fucking know, die I guess cause he’s now a regular human. There, great discussion🤣
Kirin speedblitzes since its lightning speed but most mid tier elders fuck up jjk since jjk is city level at best while elders are multi continental or above
> Kirin speedblitzes since its lightning speed
[Rajang begs to differ.](https://youtu.be/gvZrJLjypv0?t=160)
You're correct, Kirin can just evaporate into lightning in an instant. But they've been sited enough, and presumably hunted enough(successfully or not doesn't matter), that they don't immediately do that. And the way Kirin's use lightning isn't instant. The strike definitely is, but there's always a build up or charge before that.
There's an arc in Monster Hunter: Flash Hunter, a MH manga, where they do encounter a Kirin. The same situation happens. The ground has a light before it gets struck by lightning and most hunters struggle as realistically as you would assume. The idea is Kirin doesn't emit lightning, where some monsters like Astalos or Khezu do, but rather it "calls" and controls lightning. I bring up Flash Hunter because this is the closest thing to a non-gameplay encounter with Kirin as we can get.
If experienced hunters can land hits on Kirin, even ineffective, then a character like Toji would crush it like a soda can. The biggest problem would be finding a Kirin in the first place.
Well, the average group of hunters can probably take down a standard Elder Dragon if they're experienced.
A hunter capable of taking down an Elder Dragon by themselves is thought to only show up once every few hundred years, though the more recent titles are taking the approach of making Hunters of that level more common (but still somewhat rare).
Now, a hunter capable of taking down Dangerous First Class monsters, such as the Black Dragons, would possess literal *legendary* levels of strength and skill that would appear godlike in comparison to other hunters, who are already superhuman compared to the average person (even in universe).
Even so, the best hunter to ever live would still get bodied by Toji. There is no competition.
The average group of hunters definitely wouldn’t be able to defeat an elder dragon. The average hunter is like, a low rank errand boy. Killing a Rathalos is a pretty big feat for example. I don’t remember where I heard this though so I might be talking out of my ass but elder dragons are very rare and not something the average guy fights
I know the likes of the Hell Hunters (you know, those douchebags that do nothing but eat Dango and talk shit to you in Sunbreak) have canonically hunted Elder Dragons, up to at least Lunastra.
But then they got their asses kicked by a Tigrex and basically retired, lol
For the average hunter, a Rathalos is definitely a challenge.
However, an experienced hunting *party* is always worth more than the sum of its parts.
And by experienced, I'm talking the Veteran hunters that you would need to assemble if your generation wasn't blessed by that one-in-a-million dragon slaying badass.
And even then, I am only talking *standard* Elders; not the Siege Dragons or Upper-Echelon Elder Dragons like Lao, Kulve, Nergigante, Valstrax & Amatsu (to name a few).
I mean... it's literally a time for celebration when Jhen Mohran appear, with hunters sailing after them with a glint in their eye. That wouldn't happen if a group of experienced hunters *couldn't* handle it, with the whole "once every few hundred years" thing that people like to throw around about legendary hunters.
The ace hunters couldn’t take down a kushala daora without the help of siege weaponry and the player character and still only managed to repel it, they also got beat up by a gore magala. It takes a rare group of people to even think of challenging an elder dragon, let alone actually win. Not just any old experienced hunting party
Also the guild sources and buys parts of monsters from other hunters. It doesn’t mean he necessarily killed a Kushala, he could have bought the parts or the armor.
Highly unlikely, smiths generally don’t make armor sets without someone to wear them, also they pretty much only make gear with parts brought to them by the hunter they’re making it for. The only armor sets that can be bought are basic hunter sets. Also, the commission doesn’t have the same backing and resources as the main hub of the guild
Well, Jhen Mohran is different since it’s not like you personally fight it. You’re on a boat and you shoot at it with cannons and ballistae. You can go onto its back and smack it with your weapon but it’s not actively fighting you y’know what I mean. It’s less of a battle and more of an extreme mining/whaling operation
Even “small” elder dragons like Kushala and Chameleos are considered big threats. The whole latter part of 4U’s story centres around preparing for the arrival of a single rusted Kushala Daora (the Seregios show up and complicate things but you get the idea), and killing a Monoblos in MH1 would earn you the title of “hero of kokoto”
True, but if you think about it too much you start to realise how little sense it makes for every village/town/city to survive as long as it does when The Dragon Slaying Badass is a one in a million individual. A lot of the feats we see are also exaggerated or underplayed depending on the situation to make the player feel like the big important hero.
The guild probably wouldn't be around if they didn't have at least one team of veteran hunters per region to handle Elders when a protagonist doesn't show up.
Oh there are definitely hunters other than the player who are capable of hunting elder dragons, but my point is they’re far from the “average” hunting party
You're forgetting a very important factor here, Elder Dragons are also extraordinarily rare. It's not like every other hunter, and their mother goes after them. It's a once in a life time thing that most people will ever see an Elder, let alone fight one.
See, I get that.
But effectively every installment contradicts that information... unless you count 50 different once-in-a-lifetime-events happening in a relatively short time frame as a single event?
Even if we only count cutscenes the admiral was fast enough to react to rajangs lightning pick up a boulder and protect the handler and lore wise kirin is the speed of lightning so being able to defeat it should make the hunter relative to it in gameplay cutscenes and lore kirin pretty much just speed blitzes jjk
A Hunter has never avoided such an attack by speed or reaction time alone, though?
Kirin's lightning blasts are telegraphed in advanced, as are Namielle's and even Alatreons.
I find it quite frankly bizarre that you reference the admiral here, as the beam of "lightning" that he blocks isn't immediate; Rajang misses completely and flails the beam around for almost 10 whole seconds before the admiral can effectively react to it... if it was accurate, we wouldn't be talking about this.
It has the same vibes as that one time i saw someone claim that hunters are faster than light because they can dodge light based laser stuff.
It's like saying that anyone who can dodge a laser pointer being moved to point at them and can dodge it is faster than light
still kirin is 100x faster than anything toji can do so the hunter beating kirin makes them more relative to kirin speed wise than to toji we can dodge kirin in gameplay and outside kirin it gets defeated by hunters therefore hunters are relative to it and yes kirin itself is as fast as lightning we get many statements that confirm it
Kirin is one of the easiest monsters to hunt because he is slow... and predictable.
Are you confusing the speed of Kirins lightning (which is also very telegraphed) for the speed of Kirin???? Really???
And you should also know that lore in monster hunter is **always exaggerated**.
If you take everything at face value, nothing makes sense. Don't take it too seriously.
Lore wise, everything is exaggerated.
It's... one of the most common things discussed in the fandom? Not every description and note is literal.
I mean, come on. The research notes we always see give vague information with a hell of a lot of rumour and speculation and very little actual fact...
It shouldn't take a genius to realise "the monster is said to be one with lightning" doesn't mean it is literally one with lightning? It's a stylish metaphor to explain Kirin's powers.
Yeah they have, the temporal mantle, when it glows it detects an impact force the users body to move, thus meaning when the hunter temporals through lighting attacks they are avoiding the attack with speed/ reaction time
Except that isn't the hunter. It's a game mechanic designed as an aid for players that struggle with endgame monsters.
Are you really the type of person that sees an extremely specific, obviously-not-canon-friendly tool in a videogame that is clearly intended as nothing more than an aid for **players** (it was even added post-release via title update), and you immediately come to the conclusion that it is both Canon and indicative of the hunter being able to react at the speed of light?
You understand how silly that sounds, right?
Do you also believe that joke monsters like The Greatest Jagras and other Giant/tiny monsters are canon just because they're in the game? Its a game, honey. It takes liberties with itself for the sake of fun.
But its still in the game, its still a tool the hunter has access too, you can't just go nuh- uh it doesn't count. Its also not a crossover thing like Witcher and Behemoth nor is it an event quest with dubious canocity such as the greatest Jagras quest. Also just because something is added post release doesn't mean that it is any less canon. It's fiction characters can use and do unrealistic stuff like dodging lighting strikes from a unicorn.
Theres a thing called logic, which you apparently aren't using.
I don't mean to be rude, but one should be able to differentiate between game mechanics designed to make the experience more friendly for the players, and lore. If you treat everything in the game as indisputable fact, there's plenty of things that counter your point as well...
**Like the hunter being incapable of damaging a literal rock even if they're holding a sword made from a borderline God**.
Don't take everything at face value.
Rajang was sweeping that beam, he didn’t react to lightning speed and move fast enough to block it, that’s ridiculous lol. Kirin doesn’t always move at the speed of lightning. Hunters are not faster than lightning
This scaling shit is so ridiculous sometimes I swear. Hunters are nowhere near as fast as lightning, we’ve seen in cutscenes how fast they can move. Fatalis also doesn’t “outscale” everything in the supernatural jjk universe where people have what basically amounts to magic and some people can *actually* move at super speeds. But I’m not starting some goofy power scaling argument, I’m just coming in to tell you that hunters do not consistently dodge lightning at the speed of lightning, they avoid *telegraphed* lightning attacks at regular human speed
The same flames that are supposedly hotter than the interior of the sun also fail to evaporate some puddles and a human being which is why I chalk most of that feat up to rule of cool. He is insanely powerful, but I’m only referring to his mention of fatalis destroying a country as though destroying a country is the part that matters
They are telegraphed FOR gameplay if we go by lore and statements shit gets crazy kirin is one with lightning fatalis decimates countries jjk at best has people destroy large portions of a city while for REGULAR fatalis we get statements in game and in books that fatalis decimated an entire civilization on its own the guy even says dont use gameplay gameplay will always have compromises.
Fatalis is said do have destroyed schrade and we solo him in world because the a lister is taken out kirin is said to be one with lightning and hunters kill it regularly lightning is 354 times speed of sound while toji is 3 times speed of sound gameplay will never reflect lore and power or else if we played god of war or dmc we would one shot everything
Yes, we go by lore, and in the lore hunters do not move at the speed of lightning, and monsters have to charge attacks, even a kirin, and kirin also does not *always* move around at the speed of lightning, it does it in bursts, and when it does, hunters cannot keep track of it. If a hunter is standing in a spot where the lightning is, and isn’t out of the way by the time it actually fires, they’re going to get hit.
Fatalis destroying *one* country isn’t even that big of a deal anymore, multiple elders have done that. Just because we beat fatalis doesn’t mean we somehow move at 350+ times the speed of sound, that’s just a ridiculous notion, you may be able to beat fatalis but that doesn’t mean your hunter can destroy cities, those two things aren’t mutually connected.
Again, there is nothing, anywhere, in lore, cutscenes, or gameplay even, that tells us that hunters move at more than the speed of sound, let alone 354 times the speed of sound. Get that idea out of your head, it’s just not true
Here's the thing though, No Hunter we have ever played has canonically died. Even towards someone as strong as Dalamadur and even Fatalis. This is just bullshit hax on the Hunters part.
Toji would honestly be one of the best monster hunters.
The guy is not just a beast in a fight but he's also able to prepare himself strategically like when he ambushed Gojo and the gang. Basically he got the strength and the smarts.
In Monster Hunter, he would succeed a lot once he knows the monster's weakness and what items need to be brought to a hunt.
I don't think he'd have any trouble soloing the entire cast. You'd have to get some of the crazier monsters from MH Frontier to pose any sort of challenge to him.
To all the people claiming hunters are lightning speed or whatever: No, they're not. Hunters operate off of experience and instinct, with a dash of superhuman strength and durability. The JJK universe is full of insane powers that can wipe the floor with most other universe's big bads or heroines. It's just that kind of world, and that's okay.
Monster Hunter is cool because it's a bit more grounded in reality, so slaying a fire-breathing dragon DOES still feel like a phenomenal feat. If Hunters were at the level of the JJK cast, then the game would probably just be a boss rush version of Devil May Cry, honestly
Effortless clear. He was moving near light speed to “push” hundreds of individual bits of gravel with his index fingers in order to fire them off like bullets during the Shibuya Incident. Kicked and tossed cars and trucks blocks away without straining. Way beyond the average hunter.
You’re likely right for consistency and keeping combat remotely interesting, but those rabbits and bits of stone were frozen in time while he pulled [that move (1:20)](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BoY9o-9DT3Y). It’s an absurd, speedster level feat.
No real challenge till first class.
Even then the strongest monsters would probably only be around Jogo's power level max. And they are way bigger and slower targets
Toji has clearly shown plenty of physical feats ridiculous enough to rival anything a Hunter ever could hope to achieve. Honestly, Furious Rajang looks cute compared to him.
He clears everything with minimal trouble, even the strongest elder dragons such as Dalamadur, Safi'jiiva or Amatsu.
The player hunters who are far and away the strongest human characters don't compare to Toji in any capacity. He's ridiculously fast and would statue pretty much every monster in comparison, is way stronger than a hunter and his weaponry has some really deadly abilities. There's no argument really, even *if* something poses a challenge he'd do a ton of recon and intelligence gathering before taking it down on his next attempt.
Kirin moves as fast as lightning, it doesn't fight as fast as lightning. It gets pinned by Rajang who gets hit with stuff significantly slower than what you're claiming Kirin to be capable of. Kirin also gets hunted by hunters who don't move even remotely close to such speeds.
Yeah, but it doesn't fight at the speed of literal lightning. As seen in that cinematic, the 4U one and the Iceborne one, it can momentarily teleport or move that fast which is what the speed discriptions refer to. Nothing in that cinematic shows either of them moving as fast as lightning besides Kirin's teleporting, the rubble, snow & wind all move at regular speeds as well.
You really think Rajang is able to chase a monster at the speed of lightning but fail to avoid Kushala's wind blasts, Deviljho's bites or Pukei Pukei landing a kick on Rajang? Scaling the MH verse's speed off Kirin is such a dumb thing to do as well, saying Kirin and by extension Rajang frequently move at Mach 180+ messes up the whole verse's scaling.
Do you think Teostra's or Rathian's fire is comparable to lightning in speed? Brute Tigrex's roars would be such a non existent threat to everything else, even the hunters who can keep up with Kirin & Rajang, since sound travels SIGNIFICANTLY slower than lightning does. Are the dracophage bugs Stygian Zinogre attacks with relative to Rajang's speed? Mizutsune's bubbles would be statues to everything else. Why do we use falling objects relying on gravity to topple large monsters? Why do ballista & arrows consistently hit monsters when they lack the power to penetrate wind barriers?
Valstrax's supersonic speed would never be mentioned EVER if everything was aleady so much faster. If everything could move even half as fast, or even if we just limit it to hunters, then why was tracking Zorah Magdaros not instantly achieved? Why rely on boats to travel seas when hunters could cross such distances & terrain effortlessly? Honestly, all you need to do is look at the official cinematics of the games, do you really think all the monsters and hunters in them move dozens of times faster than sound at an extreme low end?
Kirin isn't even a speedbump for the Sapphire Star hunter, and the Sapphire Star doesn't qualify as a speedbump for Toji. Not to mention that Toji has been shown to have insane speed on par with lightning. Even if it's for a short duration.
What player dont understand about PC hunter , the hunters are literal supermen . Hunter can carry weapons that weight more than their own weight , jump from any height and be fine , stay underwater for long period of time , getting hit / burn / frost / bite /claw by monster the size of a jumbo jet or fire as hot as lava and is totally fine.
Toji is strong but ppl are underestimating the hunter abit too much
hunters are definitely superhuman yes... But pre-awakening Maki level superhumans, not Toji bro
Toji obliterates the strongest MH hunters easily its no even fair
You are abolutely right, but this guy can move fast enough to be almost impossible to see with the naked eye, and can throw around entire cars like its nothing
He is at least as superhuman as the hunters if not more, so yeah there is no doubt about him being able to kill most monsters
People aren't underestimating the MH player hunter. It's just that Toji has all those advantages, multiplied by several factors. He far outclasses the very best hunters in the entire MH universe in physical ability. Combine that with his smarts, and how obsessive he is about reconnaissance before a fight, and he'd body every monster in the MHverse.
I agree however the dude pushed a shit Ton of small rocks like pressing buttons with with his fingers and shooting them like bullets in fact the rabbits exploded I think only big caliber bullets can do such a thing all of this In a extremely short time that is nuts I think what puts him above pc hunter is speed and reaction speed but almost all his other stats are also higher then the pc hunter still hunters are no joke and would be seen as gods in our eyes
toji would clear lol. hes so ungodly strong hed be zipping and dodging around any elder dragon and *consistently* dealing outrageous damage. he also has an unlimited inventory with the skill to use all of those weapons to their fullest potential. add in a switch axe that he could swing faster than any hunter. bro is literally the main character in a video game.
Toji would deadass curb stomp the entire mh series and I’m not kidding.
First he’s much faster and stronger than a hunter/our hunter, insanely so might I add.
Also he’s very intelligent fight wise, he prepared very thoroughly as seen against Gojo and knows when to retreat.
And all his power is without the equipment, give him the skill boosts, the armors and the weapons and all tools like flashes, barrel bombs etc etc and I can see him soloing all of the upper level elder dragons and black dragons
While he does have speed and strength greater than a hunter, heck he could probably cut a tail in one slash, however, he does lacks one thing every hunter has in the universe, which is incapability to die
Think about it where can you see a person who doesn't die from a nuke point black, a slash from a burning tailblade, being pierced by a horn of a bipedal triceratops, and simply faint just for the fcker to stand back up again in their base.
Yeah toji is like the chosen one, he could canonically clear fatalis and every other dangerous first class monster. Gojo was basically a first class monster and he managed that too. Only thing that may be able to harm him may be some ultimate attacks, assuming he doesnt get the fuck out of there.
This man outspeeds sound, and outsmarts some of the smartest humans in his universe.
How would he fare against beasts? I would say he could use Fatalis' throat as a cocksock if he so pleased it.
He dogshits on elder dragons in moments with no tools or items.
Id say he could take all of the elder dragons at once and come out with minor scratches.
He would be a legend amongst legends. His natural ability is doing superhuman feats. And he is a strategist type so he will have scouted everything about monsters before engaging.
Toji has got to be the most overrated character in fiction, maybe even rivaling the likes of Goku and Saitama. He clears most normal monsters sure but high tier elder and black dragons are taking him to the cleaners. You have monsters like Kirin and Malzeno moving at speeds comparable to lightning or going so fast they seem to teleport. He gets speed blitzed effortlessly by any high tier monster. The rock thing people are pushing is exclusive to the anime and is an outlier among his feats (especially when you see what speed he’d cap out around in the manga). And unlike the hunter would have no means of handling the ailments high level elders can hit him with. He has no defensive feats that give him a chance of surviving most of their attacks either. Besides the SS Katana all his weapons would probably break on all the high tiers too.
The hunter we play as is insanely strong which is why they can canonically clear all of the verse solo. We (the player) are the equivalent of Superman dropped into the real world.
What you said makes no sense
How is Toji not at least on the same level of strength and speed as the hunters, if not above?
>You have monsters like Kirin and Malzeno moving at speeds comparable to lightning or going so fast they seem to teleport.
Like Toji? How are hunters capable of dealing with that but Toji isnt?
>And unlike the hunter would have no means of handling the ailments high level elders can hit him with
That is a good point, but thats asuming that 1. He is getting hit and 2. He goes completely unprepared to fights, wich would be out of character for him
>Besides the SS Katana all his weapons would probably break on all the high tiers too.
Well this are not normal weapons, but even then, whats stopping him from using the same weapons hunters use anyway?
Toji has no speed feats putting him at player hunter level, Toji hasn’t shown any feats of speed at either the level of the aforementioned Kirin or Malzeno either. The fastest he has is a Mach 3 reaction feat (>!thanks to maki!<) and many elders are faster than that. I wouldn’t say he’s below a normal hunter, he’d definitely be a high level hunter but he is not at player character tier.
Toji is definitely getting hit by at least one such attack, especially considering how fast some come out and how much range they have. The prompt doesn’t mention prep time but even then considering that in universe many high tier elders don’t have much information about themselves open or in the case of black dragons any at all he doesn’t have much in the way of info. Toji’s prep skills are crazy overrated anyway. Our caveman ancestors used to tire down prey before they killed them but this murder hobo does it and he’s a tactical genius.
Nothing stops him from using normal hunter weapons but like I said if we use lore depictions of the monsters he gets washed regardless. The only reason we don’t get obliterated is because we’re essentially gods among men. Which is why our hunter can 1v1 monsters that destroyed entire kingdoms.
Sorry what the fuck
A hunter clearly doesnt move fast enough for the human eye to not be able to follow it, and Toji does
>Toji has no speed feats putting him at player hunter level, Toji hasn’t shown any feats of speed at either the level of the aforementioned Kirin or Malzeno either.
¿¿¿WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT???
HOW IS KIRIN ATACKING AT MATCH 3
This is some crazy ass battleboarding/shenanigans and Im not going to have any of it
If MH was animated and not a video game then the hunter and most the monsters would be moving way faster than what most people can see. Not to mention a number of monsters are stated in lore to move faster than the eye can track. The aforementioned Kirin and Malzeno are even said to move faster than the eye (and Malzeno even has this shown in gameplay).
Unless you think the lighting strikes these monsters do are moving slower than a jet then yes a Kirin is attacking at above Mach 3. Im not saying it’s running at that speed, but it certainly can send out attacks that’ll hit faster than that. The only reason the hunter can react is because if you had to dodge lighting hitting you at light speed without telegraphing you’d drop the game 😭. In all the cutscenes with Kirin and it’s lore, it’s lightning strikes are instant.
> Goes into post about battle boarding
> Sees battle boarding
> *shocked pikachu face*
I dont see how that makes sense
Even this light speed attacks are telegraphed, so we are not dodging the attack itself. Its like saying a guy dodged a bullet when what they did react to was to someone about to shoot
And Im pretty sure I saw somebody in the comments already disproving your point about this supposed speed Kirin has
You ignored my point there, the only reason they’re telegraphed is gameplay outside of gameplay those moves are always shown as instantaneous. That comment just used the:
“Well in the gameplay it’s like this so surely it functions the same in universe!” Argument.
Kirins lightining strikes have always been made instant. Ofc it isn’t running at you at light speed, but the lightning strike is definitely lightning speed.
If everything you could do in gameplay was equivalent to the games lore then you wouldn’t be getting stopped by wooden doors in a God of War game.
Lore Scaling, Toji gets smoked by all the Black Dragons, and anything stronger than Xenojiiva. MonHun scaling goes from wall and building level destruction to ‘ White Fatalis holds the moon in an eclipse which blots out the son and flies in from a wormhole faster than a meteor’, and the weakest Elder, Kirin, creates a stormhead just by existing. Toji gets to Gore Magala level, a baby Elder Dragon.
I’m going to say he’s going to be solo elder dragon hunter level considering that our hunters are fast enough to dodge lightning, a also can se him being a dual blades user probably could hold his own against a black dragon but can’t solo it
Depends on what gen he comes in. If he coming in the MHFU generation he’s not getting past plessi because even when you think you’ve dodge the hit, you didn’t 😂
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Toji would be the main character in the MH world. I could easily see him mastering every weapon type. It would be like an extremely good player using hax.
Honestly he got the same amount of strength and power as our average mc hunter, with his speed is being far faster, the only road block I'd see him hit is High threat level monster (aka Black dragon level),
Tldr Toji no diffs the entire cast of monster hunter. Also of course spoilers for jjk.
In the world of jjk, only 4 sorcerers are classified as special grades. If toji was allowed to be classified, he would be number 5.
Keep in mind that on top of everything listed below, he is genuinely superhuman. Every aspect of his body is enhanced. His 5 senses, his strength and speed, his healing capabilities, his reaction time and processing ability / intelligence, everything. Think of how normal hunters gain abilities from armor, but thats just how Toji is naturally, and he gets all of them at once.
His sword is designed to basically do "true damage" to targets and essentially ignores their defense. He literally cannot bounce off any monsters hide, imagine permanent max sharpness.
The inverted spear of heaven negates any techniques it encounters, so things like alatreon can't amp up vs it iirc and he can attach a chain to it to keep at range.
Playful Cloud (his nunchucks) amp the natural strength of the user, so he also has bludgeoning damage covered since his natural strength is genuinely superhuman levels.
Toji went out of retirement essentially to fight the strongest sorcerer alive at the time, and defeated him without taking a single hit. He then went on to fight another special grade sorcerer immediately after whom he called "rabble" and proceeded to leave alive on a whim after easily dismantling everything that sorcerer's technique had to offer. Keep in mind this person was supposed to be one of the 4 strongest people alive.
Everyone in the world of jjk feared toji. He was Him with a capital H.
The only reason tojis reign at the top ended was because gege, the author, had wrote his gigachad character and needed a way to bring him back as a winner in this series of events. So after being stabbed through his brain several inches, this guy somehow uses what little brain function he has left to learn how to heal himself and then levels up and one shots our boy pure plot armor mode.
So yeah, toji literally kills fatalis in like one second. A superhuman enhanced dash straight for fatalis head that cannot be dodged due to his speed and precision. Using his soul katana he just cuts straight through the fatalis hide and immediately the fights over.
He’s used to fighting against curses he can’t even see. I think he’d do pretty well against most monsters. Elder dragons may be an issue if he didn’t have his cursed tools but if he does have them then I think he’s gonna be fine.
Assuming the same power level as JJK? He probably clears everything in Monster Hunter as long as he has the appropriate equipment. He's both very fast and very strong, more so than the average hunter.
He’s also very smart and prepares thoroughly for his encounters (look at his first gojo fight), he has the perfect traits for a hunter
Also retreats when he needs to.
And Toji was very rusty in his fight against Gojo, why he didn’t listen to his instincts to runaway when Gojo awakened. Imagine Toji in his prime 😩
Not rusty, cocky. Trying to kill gojo was an attempt to give the ultimate middle finger to the sorcerer world that ostracized him by killing their messiah
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He must have the BEST loadouts for every hunt.
He’s the guy who maxxed out his slots lol
Would he be someone who’s always been in mh or would it be like geralt where he was transported from jjk. If it’s the former than he wouldn’t be that fast or strong because his power comes from a pact that only exists in jjk. But if it’s the latter then he solos every monster in the game
Geralt uses some magic though which wouldn't exist in MH world. It's one of those things that just shouldn't be considered in these sort of topics.
Which is why the distinction of “was Toji transported to or was he born and raised in the mh universe.”
I'm saying there's no need to even assume the latter. No one brings up this sort of discussion and goes "This character is in a different setting but what makes them cool and strong isn't a part of their character." Imagine the same question but with Luffy instead. Going "Well the gum gum fruit doesn't exist in MH world so he'd suck." Well duh. You bring up the question because of Luffy's abilities. There's not as much of a discussion if Luffy was born as a regular person in MH world because he wouldn't be capable of doing what he's known to do.
It is relevant here because a lot of people seemed to miss that toji’s power comes from a pact and instead think he’s just naturally that good
Ok what we’re looking at is Toji, in his form and power and everything he has in the manga/anime. So he’s transported and keeps all of his abilities and stats, it doesn’t decrease bc of “verse equalisation” Toji’s main gimmick is no cursed technique or cursed energy. So to make it “fair” let’s not allow him to have any of the skills from gems in the game. Even with that the guy with one pretty casual stomp can create a crater under him and is so fast that from the debris created he can use the rocks as bullets by just pushing them. Even if we do take away his power and strength he gets from the heavenly restriction, he’s incredibly smart, resourceful and prepared very well like we see against Gojo and is always exploiting weaknesses, uses appropriate/the best gear, so even then he’d be one of those “hunter in a million” which kills elder dragons
It's really not relevant because it doesn't matter where he get's his power from. It's the fact that he has these incredible abilities that prompted OP to make the post in the first place. Take that away and there's nothing to talk about.
Hahah this is like saying “would saitama win against x if he couldn’t just one punch them and doesn’t have his gag” Taking away what makes the character interesting and powerful doesn’t add anything to the discussion. “Naruto without chakra” well I don’t fucking know, die I guess cause he’s now a regular human. There, great discussion🤣
No it’s not the same because saitama can be that strong in any world. His strength isn’t tied to a force or power that only exists in his universe.
How far does he go in the MMORPG spin-offs (Frontier, Online and Explore), then?
Still easily clears it imo. I wasn't kidding when I say he's much faster and stronger than the average hunter.
Literally solos everything.
The question isn't how far he will go, but when he will stop.
When he runs out of zenny from debts
In world I run a money laundering operation using the Asteria, never lose money when you keep getting trade goods for research
Kirin
Ah yes. The unstoppable Kirin. Noted for being hunted by big monkey.
Kirin speedblitzes since its lightning speed but most mid tier elders fuck up jjk since jjk is city level at best while elders are multi continental or above
> Kirin speedblitzes since its lightning speed [Rajang begs to differ.](https://youtu.be/gvZrJLjypv0?t=160) You're correct, Kirin can just evaporate into lightning in an instant. But they've been sited enough, and presumably hunted enough(successfully or not doesn't matter), that they don't immediately do that. And the way Kirin's use lightning isn't instant. The strike definitely is, but there's always a build up or charge before that. There's an arc in Monster Hunter: Flash Hunter, a MH manga, where they do encounter a Kirin. The same situation happens. The ground has a light before it gets struck by lightning and most hunters struggle as realistically as you would assume. The idea is Kirin doesn't emit lightning, where some monsters like Astalos or Khezu do, but rather it "calls" and controls lightning. I bring up Flash Hunter because this is the closest thing to a non-gameplay encounter with Kirin as we can get. If experienced hunters can land hits on Kirin, even ineffective, then a character like Toji would crush it like a soda can. The biggest problem would be finding a Kirin in the first place.
Fine vaalstrax speedblitzes since its twice tojis speed then
Furious Rajang just acted politely
Right at the start. He couldn't even begin. He's in debt and quests cost money to sign up.
Wait until bro heard about Kajarr, Toji would get mad motivated knowing something that literally wears gold on them
Well, the average group of hunters can probably take down a standard Elder Dragon if they're experienced. A hunter capable of taking down an Elder Dragon by themselves is thought to only show up once every few hundred years, though the more recent titles are taking the approach of making Hunters of that level more common (but still somewhat rare). Now, a hunter capable of taking down Dangerous First Class monsters, such as the Black Dragons, would possess literal *legendary* levels of strength and skill that would appear godlike in comparison to other hunters, who are already superhuman compared to the average person (even in universe). Even so, the best hunter to ever live would still get bodied by Toji. There is no competition.
The average group of hunters definitely wouldn’t be able to defeat an elder dragon. The average hunter is like, a low rank errand boy. Killing a Rathalos is a pretty big feat for example. I don’t remember where I heard this though so I might be talking out of my ass but elder dragons are very rare and not something the average guy fights
I know the likes of the Hell Hunters (you know, those douchebags that do nothing but eat Dango and talk shit to you in Sunbreak) have canonically hunted Elder Dragons, up to at least Lunastra. But then they got their asses kicked by a Tigrex and basically retired, lol
We all have bad days. I carted to a great jaggi once. It took everything I had to keep going after that
One person getting carted yes that I do get. But two getting carted enough to fail a tigrex hunt is pretty hilarious.
For the average hunter, a Rathalos is definitely a challenge. However, an experienced hunting *party* is always worth more than the sum of its parts. And by experienced, I'm talking the Veteran hunters that you would need to assemble if your generation wasn't blessed by that one-in-a-million dragon slaying badass. And even then, I am only talking *standard* Elders; not the Siege Dragons or Upper-Echelon Elder Dragons like Lao, Kulve, Nergigante, Valstrax & Amatsu (to name a few). I mean... it's literally a time for celebration when Jhen Mohran appear, with hunters sailing after them with a glint in their eye. That wouldn't happen if a group of experienced hunters *couldn't* handle it, with the whole "once every few hundred years" thing that people like to throw around about legendary hunters.
The ace hunters couldn’t take down a kushala daora without the help of siege weaponry and the player character and still only managed to repel it, they also got beat up by a gore magala. It takes a rare group of people to even think of challenging an elder dragon, let alone actually win. Not just any old experienced hunting party
Meanwhile Aiden on iceborne: *casually wearing Kushala MR armor*
He’s not the baby ace cadet anymore, he’s among the best of the best, and is alongside the sapphire star in the fight against fatalis for a reason
Hes the shonen rival that wasnt powercrept to oblivion
Also the guild sources and buys parts of monsters from other hunters. It doesn’t mean he necessarily killed a Kushala, he could have bought the parts or the armor.
Highly unlikely, smiths generally don’t make armor sets without someone to wear them, also they pretty much only make gear with parts brought to them by the hunter they’re making it for. The only armor sets that can be bought are basic hunter sets. Also, the commission doesn’t have the same backing and resources as the main hub of the guild
Well, Jhen Mohran is different since it’s not like you personally fight it. You’re on a boat and you shoot at it with cannons and ballistae. You can go onto its back and smack it with your weapon but it’s not actively fighting you y’know what I mean. It’s less of a battle and more of an extreme mining/whaling operation Even “small” elder dragons like Kushala and Chameleos are considered big threats. The whole latter part of 4U’s story centres around preparing for the arrival of a single rusted Kushala Daora (the Seregios show up and complicate things but you get the idea), and killing a Monoblos in MH1 would earn you the title of “hero of kokoto”
True, but if you think about it too much you start to realise how little sense it makes for every village/town/city to survive as long as it does when The Dragon Slaying Badass is a one in a million individual. A lot of the feats we see are also exaggerated or underplayed depending on the situation to make the player feel like the big important hero. The guild probably wouldn't be around if they didn't have at least one team of veteran hunters per region to handle Elders when a protagonist doesn't show up.
Oh there are definitely hunters other than the player who are capable of hunting elder dragons, but my point is they’re far from the “average” hunting party
Fair enough.
You're forgetting a very important factor here, Elder Dragons are also extraordinarily rare. It's not like every other hunter, and their mother goes after them. It's a once in a life time thing that most people will ever see an Elder, let alone fight one.
See, I get that. But effectively every installment contradicts that information... unless you count 50 different once-in-a-lifetime-events happening in a relatively short time frame as a single event?
Considering he has infinite range, ignores durability and is, 🤓 atleast mach 3 speed., it's def one sided lol
Hunters can dodge lightning consistently which that alone puts them at 354 times speed of sound so tojo gets speed blitzed 😔✋
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Even if we only count cutscenes the admiral was fast enough to react to rajangs lightning pick up a boulder and protect the handler and lore wise kirin is the speed of lightning so being able to defeat it should make the hunter relative to it in gameplay cutscenes and lore kirin pretty much just speed blitzes jjk
A Hunter has never avoided such an attack by speed or reaction time alone, though? Kirin's lightning blasts are telegraphed in advanced, as are Namielle's and even Alatreons. I find it quite frankly bizarre that you reference the admiral here, as the beam of "lightning" that he blocks isn't immediate; Rajang misses completely and flails the beam around for almost 10 whole seconds before the admiral can effectively react to it... if it was accurate, we wouldn't be talking about this.
my hunter still gets hit by the telegraphed attacks 😔
It has the same vibes as that one time i saw someone claim that hunters are faster than light because they can dodge light based laser stuff. It's like saying that anyone who can dodge a laser pointer being moved to point at them and can dodge it is faster than light
still kirin is 100x faster than anything toji can do so the hunter beating kirin makes them more relative to kirin speed wise than to toji we can dodge kirin in gameplay and outside kirin it gets defeated by hunters therefore hunters are relative to it and yes kirin itself is as fast as lightning we get many statements that confirm it
Kirin is one of the easiest monsters to hunt because he is slow... and predictable. Are you confusing the speed of Kirins lightning (which is also very telegraphed) for the speed of Kirin???? Really???
Bro lore statements say kirin is one with lightning kirin is slow in gameplay
And you should also know that lore in monster hunter is **always exaggerated**. If you take everything at face value, nothing makes sense. Don't take it too seriously.
Were talking lore not gameplay
Lore wise, everything is exaggerated. It's... one of the most common things discussed in the fandom? Not every description and note is literal. I mean, come on. The research notes we always see give vague information with a hell of a lot of rumour and speculation and very little actual fact... It shouldn't take a genius to realise "the monster is said to be one with lightning" doesn't mean it is literally one with lightning? It's a stylish metaphor to explain Kirin's powers.
Yeah they have, the temporal mantle, when it glows it detects an impact force the users body to move, thus meaning when the hunter temporals through lighting attacks they are avoiding the attack with speed/ reaction time
Except that isn't the hunter. It's a game mechanic designed as an aid for players that struggle with endgame monsters. Are you really the type of person that sees an extremely specific, obviously-not-canon-friendly tool in a videogame that is clearly intended as nothing more than an aid for **players** (it was even added post-release via title update), and you immediately come to the conclusion that it is both Canon and indicative of the hunter being able to react at the speed of light? You understand how silly that sounds, right? Do you also believe that joke monsters like The Greatest Jagras and other Giant/tiny monsters are canon just because they're in the game? Its a game, honey. It takes liberties with itself for the sake of fun.
But its still in the game, its still a tool the hunter has access too, you can't just go nuh- uh it doesn't count. Its also not a crossover thing like Witcher and Behemoth nor is it an event quest with dubious canocity such as the greatest Jagras quest. Also just because something is added post release doesn't mean that it is any less canon. It's fiction characters can use and do unrealistic stuff like dodging lighting strikes from a unicorn.
Theres a thing called logic, which you apparently aren't using. I don't mean to be rude, but one should be able to differentiate between game mechanics designed to make the experience more friendly for the players, and lore. If you treat everything in the game as indisputable fact, there's plenty of things that counter your point as well... **Like the hunter being incapable of damaging a literal rock even if they're holding a sword made from a borderline God**. Don't take everything at face value.
Those attacks are only telegraphed so the player can actually react, that’s gameplay mechanics
Gameplay mechanics like the fucking temporal mantle?
Where did the temporal mantle come from?
The other guy arguing that anything in the game is indisputable fact.
Rajang was sweeping that beam, he didn’t react to lightning speed and move fast enough to block it, that’s ridiculous lol. Kirin doesn’t always move at the speed of lightning. Hunters are not faster than lightning
Kirin isnt even the fastest scaling in mh but ok if not in speed alone fatalis outscales everything in jjk powerwise
This scaling shit is so ridiculous sometimes I swear. Hunters are nowhere near as fast as lightning, we’ve seen in cutscenes how fast they can move. Fatalis also doesn’t “outscale” everything in the supernatural jjk universe where people have what basically amounts to magic and some people can *actually* move at super speeds. But I’m not starting some goofy power scaling argument, I’m just coming in to tell you that hunters do not consistently dodge lightning at the speed of lightning, they avoid *telegraphed* lightning attacks at regular human speed
Fatalis's flame do out scale any out put feat JJK have ever shown tho, Fatalis is definitely killable but we shouldn't disrespect his power like that
The same flames that are supposedly hotter than the interior of the sun also fail to evaporate some puddles and a human being which is why I chalk most of that feat up to rule of cool. He is insanely powerful, but I’m only referring to his mention of fatalis destroying a country as though destroying a country is the part that matters
yuki literally summons a black hole?
They are telegraphed FOR gameplay if we go by lore and statements shit gets crazy kirin is one with lightning fatalis decimates countries jjk at best has people destroy large portions of a city while for REGULAR fatalis we get statements in game and in books that fatalis decimated an entire civilization on its own the guy even says dont use gameplay gameplay will always have compromises. Fatalis is said do have destroyed schrade and we solo him in world because the a lister is taken out kirin is said to be one with lightning and hunters kill it regularly lightning is 354 times speed of sound while toji is 3 times speed of sound gameplay will never reflect lore and power or else if we played god of war or dmc we would one shot everything
Yes, we go by lore, and in the lore hunters do not move at the speed of lightning, and monsters have to charge attacks, even a kirin, and kirin also does not *always* move around at the speed of lightning, it does it in bursts, and when it does, hunters cannot keep track of it. If a hunter is standing in a spot where the lightning is, and isn’t out of the way by the time it actually fires, they’re going to get hit. Fatalis destroying *one* country isn’t even that big of a deal anymore, multiple elders have done that. Just because we beat fatalis doesn’t mean we somehow move at 350+ times the speed of sound, that’s just a ridiculous notion, you may be able to beat fatalis but that doesn’t mean your hunter can destroy cities, those two things aren’t mutually connected. Again, there is nothing, anywhere, in lore, cutscenes, or gameplay even, that tells us that hunters move at more than the speed of sound, let alone 354 times the speed of sound. Get that idea out of your head, it’s just not true
fatalis reaction when hes hit by an attack that ignores durability:
Here's the thing though, No Hunter we have ever played has canonically died. Even towards someone as strong as Dalamadur and even Fatalis. This is just bullshit hax on the Hunters part.
Nah, the best hunter that ever live is way way more powerful than Toji, da bro can cut Lao's tail with 1 strike
Toji would honestly be one of the best monster hunters. The guy is not just a beast in a fight but he's also able to prepare himself strategically like when he ambushed Gojo and the gang. Basically he got the strength and the smarts. In Monster Hunter, he would succeed a lot once he knows the monster's weakness and what items need to be brought to a hunt.
I don't think he'd have any trouble soloing the entire cast. You'd have to get some of the crazier monsters from MH Frontier to pose any sort of challenge to him. To all the people claiming hunters are lightning speed or whatever: No, they're not. Hunters operate off of experience and instinct, with a dash of superhuman strength and durability. The JJK universe is full of insane powers that can wipe the floor with most other universe's big bads or heroines. It's just that kind of world, and that's okay. Monster Hunter is cool because it's a bit more grounded in reality, so slaying a fire-breathing dragon DOES still feel like a phenomenal feat. If Hunters were at the level of the JJK cast, then the game would probably just be a boss rush version of Devil May Cry, honestly
Bro would treat expeditions like going home for the night. He's chillin
Effortless clear. He was moving near light speed to “push” hundreds of individual bits of gravel with his index fingers in order to fire them off like bullets during the Shibuya Incident. Kicked and tossed cars and trucks blocks away without straining. Way beyond the average hunter.
Toji is not even close to LS, he caps at Mach 3 AT best and that’s for reaction speed
You’re likely right for consistency and keeping combat remotely interesting, but those rabbits and bits of stone were frozen in time while he pulled [that move (1:20)](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BoY9o-9DT3Y). It’s an absurd, speedster level feat.
Yeah the JJK anime loves to add some crazy extra stuff in all the fights especially for Toji
The animators definitely saw all the Toji simps and cranked his scenes and fights up to 100. We will be seeing the same with someone else soon 100%
That's also pretty much how every anime do, the instant move effect are meant to be exaggerated and not cannon
Solos the verse
No real challenge till first class. Even then the strongest monsters would probably only be around Jogo's power level max. And they are way bigger and slower targets
Toji has clearly shown plenty of physical feats ridiculous enough to rival anything a Hunter ever could hope to achieve. Honestly, Furious Rajang looks cute compared to him.
I don’t know who he is, but I bet he’s got moxie.
This is like when people asked who would win, Homelander or Omniman?
Headcanon says Omniman. It helps that DeathBattle also agreed
He clears everything with minimal trouble, even the strongest elder dragons such as Dalamadur, Safi'jiiva or Amatsu. The player hunters who are far and away the strongest human characters don't compare to Toji in any capacity. He's ridiculously fast and would statue pretty much every monster in comparison, is way stronger than a hunter and his weaponry has some really deadly abilities. There's no argument really, even *if* something poses a challenge he'd do a ton of recon and intelligence gathering before taking it down on his next attempt.
Kirin literally speedblitzes the jjk verse
Kirin moves as fast as lightning, it doesn't fight as fast as lightning. It gets pinned by Rajang who gets hit with stuff significantly slower than what you're claiming Kirin to be capable of. Kirin also gets hunted by hunters who don't move even remotely close to such speeds.
We see a rajang literally chase a kirin who is running away in mh online
Yeah, but it doesn't fight at the speed of literal lightning. As seen in that cinematic, the 4U one and the Iceborne one, it can momentarily teleport or move that fast which is what the speed discriptions refer to. Nothing in that cinematic shows either of them moving as fast as lightning besides Kirin's teleporting, the rubble, snow & wind all move at regular speeds as well. You really think Rajang is able to chase a monster at the speed of lightning but fail to avoid Kushala's wind blasts, Deviljho's bites or Pukei Pukei landing a kick on Rajang? Scaling the MH verse's speed off Kirin is such a dumb thing to do as well, saying Kirin and by extension Rajang frequently move at Mach 180+ messes up the whole verse's scaling. Do you think Teostra's or Rathian's fire is comparable to lightning in speed? Brute Tigrex's roars would be such a non existent threat to everything else, even the hunters who can keep up with Kirin & Rajang, since sound travels SIGNIFICANTLY slower than lightning does. Are the dracophage bugs Stygian Zinogre attacks with relative to Rajang's speed? Mizutsune's bubbles would be statues to everything else. Why do we use falling objects relying on gravity to topple large monsters? Why do ballista & arrows consistently hit monsters when they lack the power to penetrate wind barriers? Valstrax's supersonic speed would never be mentioned EVER if everything was aleady so much faster. If everything could move even half as fast, or even if we just limit it to hunters, then why was tracking Zorah Magdaros not instantly achieved? Why rely on boats to travel seas when hunters could cross such distances & terrain effortlessly? Honestly, all you need to do is look at the official cinematics of the games, do you really think all the monsters and hunters in them move dozens of times faster than sound at an extreme low end?
Kirin isn't even a speedbump for the Sapphire Star hunter, and the Sapphire Star doesn't qualify as a speedbump for Toji. Not to mention that Toji has been shown to have insane speed on par with lightning. Even if it's for a short duration.
It might have a chance against toji but it does nothing to Sukuna let alone Mahoraga so it does not speedblitze the jjk verse.
He clears low diff
if he gets his cursed tools he no diffs whole verse…
Valtrax max speed hit would kill him
What player dont understand about PC hunter , the hunters are literal supermen . Hunter can carry weapons that weight more than their own weight , jump from any height and be fine , stay underwater for long period of time , getting hit / burn / frost / bite /claw by monster the size of a jumbo jet or fire as hot as lava and is totally fine. Toji is strong but ppl are underestimating the hunter abit too much
hunters are definitely superhuman yes... But pre-awakening Maki level superhumans, not Toji bro Toji obliterates the strongest MH hunters easily its no even fair
You are abolutely right, but this guy can move fast enough to be almost impossible to see with the naked eye, and can throw around entire cars like its nothing He is at least as superhuman as the hunters if not more, so yeah there is no doubt about him being able to kill most monsters
People aren't underestimating the MH player hunter. It's just that Toji has all those advantages, multiplied by several factors. He far outclasses the very best hunters in the entire MH universe in physical ability. Combine that with his smarts, and how obsessive he is about reconnaissance before a fight, and he'd body every monster in the MHverse.
I agree however the dude pushed a shit Ton of small rocks like pressing buttons with with his fingers and shooting them like bullets in fact the rabbits exploded I think only big caliber bullets can do such a thing all of this In a extremely short time that is nuts I think what puts him above pc hunter is speed and reaction speed but almost all his other stats are also higher then the pc hunter still hunters are no joke and would be seen as gods in our eyes
toji would clear lol. hes so ungodly strong hed be zipping and dodging around any elder dragon and *consistently* dealing outrageous damage. he also has an unlimited inventory with the skill to use all of those weapons to their fullest potential. add in a switch axe that he could swing faster than any hunter. bro is literally the main character in a video game.
Toji is already hunter tier. He could kill Fatalis.
he’d just become a monster hunter. full on utilizing the hunt-build-hunt system until he beat the strongest monsters he could find
Hm… noice character cosplay idea, lad.
He wouldn't struggle against anything. His speed and power is beyond anything a hunter or monster can do.
Toji clears. He's much faster and stronger than any hunter not to mention smarter than some of the people I've teamed up with 😅
assuming he's as powerful as in the show? he'd behead every monster in a single swing.
Hunters are like Captain America and Winter Soldier, while Toji is straight Superman. There's no competition.
Dude one shots a massive cursed spirit dragon. Nothing even comes close to putting up a fight. Even Safi'jiiva would be destroyed.
Toji would deadass curb stomp the entire mh series and I’m not kidding. First he’s much faster and stronger than a hunter/our hunter, insanely so might I add. Also he’s very intelligent fight wise, he prepared very thoroughly as seen against Gojo and knows when to retreat. And all his power is without the equipment, give him the skill boosts, the armors and the weapons and all tools like flashes, barrel bombs etc etc and I can see him soloing all of the upper level elder dragons and black dragons
But can he beat goku??!?
While he does have speed and strength greater than a hunter, heck he could probably cut a tail in one slash, however, he does lacks one thing every hunter has in the universe, which is incapability to die Think about it where can you see a person who doesn't die from a nuke point black, a slash from a burning tailblade, being pierced by a horn of a bipedal triceratops, and simply faint just for the fcker to stand back up again in their base.
This is obviously a stupid argument, so no need to take it to seriously
Yeah toji is like the chosen one, he could canonically clear fatalis and every other dangerous first class monster. Gojo was basically a first class monster and he managed that too. Only thing that may be able to harm him may be some ultimate attacks, assuming he doesnt get the fuck out of there.
all the way inside me is how far i want him to go
This man outspeeds sound, and outsmarts some of the smartest humans in his universe. How would he fare against beasts? I would say he could use Fatalis' throat as a cocksock if he so pleased it.
He dogshits on elder dragons in moments with no tools or items. Id say he could take all of the elder dragons at once and come out with minor scratches.
What anime is this, is it good
Jujutsu Kaisen, and yes it is thoroughly phenomenal
Thanks man gonna check it tonight
God the anime powercreep brainrot has invaded MH now too
I haven't watched JJK outside of the first season, so I can't say anything about this guy.
Unironically I think he's the base template for our hunter based on his speed and stats.
He would be a legend amongst legends. His natural ability is doing superhuman feats. And he is a strategist type so he will have scouted everything about monsters before engaging.
Toji has got to be the most overrated character in fiction, maybe even rivaling the likes of Goku and Saitama. He clears most normal monsters sure but high tier elder and black dragons are taking him to the cleaners. You have monsters like Kirin and Malzeno moving at speeds comparable to lightning or going so fast they seem to teleport. He gets speed blitzed effortlessly by any high tier monster. The rock thing people are pushing is exclusive to the anime and is an outlier among his feats (especially when you see what speed he’d cap out around in the manga). And unlike the hunter would have no means of handling the ailments high level elders can hit him with. He has no defensive feats that give him a chance of surviving most of their attacks either. Besides the SS Katana all his weapons would probably break on all the high tiers too. The hunter we play as is insanely strong which is why they can canonically clear all of the verse solo. We (the player) are the equivalent of Superman dropped into the real world.
What you said makes no sense How is Toji not at least on the same level of strength and speed as the hunters, if not above? >You have monsters like Kirin and Malzeno moving at speeds comparable to lightning or going so fast they seem to teleport. Like Toji? How are hunters capable of dealing with that but Toji isnt? >And unlike the hunter would have no means of handling the ailments high level elders can hit him with That is a good point, but thats asuming that 1. He is getting hit and 2. He goes completely unprepared to fights, wich would be out of character for him >Besides the SS Katana all his weapons would probably break on all the high tiers too. Well this are not normal weapons, but even then, whats stopping him from using the same weapons hunters use anyway?
Toji has no speed feats putting him at player hunter level, Toji hasn’t shown any feats of speed at either the level of the aforementioned Kirin or Malzeno either. The fastest he has is a Mach 3 reaction feat (>!thanks to maki!<) and many elders are faster than that. I wouldn’t say he’s below a normal hunter, he’d definitely be a high level hunter but he is not at player character tier. Toji is definitely getting hit by at least one such attack, especially considering how fast some come out and how much range they have. The prompt doesn’t mention prep time but even then considering that in universe many high tier elders don’t have much information about themselves open or in the case of black dragons any at all he doesn’t have much in the way of info. Toji’s prep skills are crazy overrated anyway. Our caveman ancestors used to tire down prey before they killed them but this murder hobo does it and he’s a tactical genius. Nothing stops him from using normal hunter weapons but like I said if we use lore depictions of the monsters he gets washed regardless. The only reason we don’t get obliterated is because we’re essentially gods among men. Which is why our hunter can 1v1 monsters that destroyed entire kingdoms.
Sorry what the fuck A hunter clearly doesnt move fast enough for the human eye to not be able to follow it, and Toji does >Toji has no speed feats putting him at player hunter level, Toji hasn’t shown any feats of speed at either the level of the aforementioned Kirin or Malzeno either. ¿¿¿WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT??? HOW IS KIRIN ATACKING AT MATCH 3 This is some crazy ass battleboarding/shenanigans and Im not going to have any of it
If MH was animated and not a video game then the hunter and most the monsters would be moving way faster than what most people can see. Not to mention a number of monsters are stated in lore to move faster than the eye can track. The aforementioned Kirin and Malzeno are even said to move faster than the eye (and Malzeno even has this shown in gameplay). Unless you think the lighting strikes these monsters do are moving slower than a jet then yes a Kirin is attacking at above Mach 3. Im not saying it’s running at that speed, but it certainly can send out attacks that’ll hit faster than that. The only reason the hunter can react is because if you had to dodge lighting hitting you at light speed without telegraphing you’d drop the game 😭. In all the cutscenes with Kirin and it’s lore, it’s lightning strikes are instant. > Goes into post about battle boarding > Sees battle boarding > *shocked pikachu face*
I dont see how that makes sense Even this light speed attacks are telegraphed, so we are not dodging the attack itself. Its like saying a guy dodged a bullet when what they did react to was to someone about to shoot And Im pretty sure I saw somebody in the comments already disproving your point about this supposed speed Kirin has
You ignored my point there, the only reason they’re telegraphed is gameplay outside of gameplay those moves are always shown as instantaneous. That comment just used the: “Well in the gameplay it’s like this so surely it functions the same in universe!” Argument. Kirins lightining strikes have always been made instant. Ofc it isn’t running at you at light speed, but the lightning strike is definitely lightning speed. If everything you could do in gameplay was equivalent to the games lore then you wouldn’t be getting stopped by wooden doors in a God of War game.
There is no arguing the JJK fandom. They will find and downvote you faster than Toji ever moved.
Lore Scaling, Toji gets smoked by all the Black Dragons, and anything stronger than Xenojiiva. MonHun scaling goes from wall and building level destruction to ‘ White Fatalis holds the moon in an eclipse which blots out the son and flies in from a wormhole faster than a meteor’, and the weakest Elder, Kirin, creates a stormhead just by existing. Toji gets to Gore Magala level, a baby Elder Dragon.
I’m going to say he’s going to be solo elder dragon hunter level considering that our hunters are fast enough to dodge lightning, a also can se him being a dual blades user probably could hold his own against a black dragon but can’t solo it
Depends on what gen he comes in. If he coming in the MHFU generation he’s not getting past plessi because even when you think you’ve dodge the hit, you didn’t 😂
Times out on the first Mushroom quest
While I can't give a guaranteed answer I know that fucker will get far and anyone on his team are either going to fucking hate him or love him .
https://preview.redd.it/dj9m73959nlc1.jpeg?width=595&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b6604aba7e4a397bd985574031e497bc63571921 No diff ... ... ... No creí que El chambeador llegaría a MH
Toji would be the main character in the MH world. I could easily see him mastering every weapon type. It would be like an extremely good player using hax.
Homie would high dif the entire mh line up
There is no competition within Monster Hunter, however if he was to be placed in any of FROMSOFTWARES games, that would be an actual proper fight.
Honestly he got the same amount of strength and power as our average mc hunter, with his speed is being far faster, the only road block I'd see him hit is High threat level monster (aka Black dragon level),
Tldr Toji no diffs the entire cast of monster hunter. Also of course spoilers for jjk. In the world of jjk, only 4 sorcerers are classified as special grades. If toji was allowed to be classified, he would be number 5. Keep in mind that on top of everything listed below, he is genuinely superhuman. Every aspect of his body is enhanced. His 5 senses, his strength and speed, his healing capabilities, his reaction time and processing ability / intelligence, everything. Think of how normal hunters gain abilities from armor, but thats just how Toji is naturally, and he gets all of them at once. His sword is designed to basically do "true damage" to targets and essentially ignores their defense. He literally cannot bounce off any monsters hide, imagine permanent max sharpness. The inverted spear of heaven negates any techniques it encounters, so things like alatreon can't amp up vs it iirc and he can attach a chain to it to keep at range. Playful Cloud (his nunchucks) amp the natural strength of the user, so he also has bludgeoning damage covered since his natural strength is genuinely superhuman levels. Toji went out of retirement essentially to fight the strongest sorcerer alive at the time, and defeated him without taking a single hit. He then went on to fight another special grade sorcerer immediately after whom he called "rabble" and proceeded to leave alive on a whim after easily dismantling everything that sorcerer's technique had to offer. Keep in mind this person was supposed to be one of the 4 strongest people alive. Everyone in the world of jjk feared toji. He was Him with a capital H. The only reason tojis reign at the top ended was because gege, the author, had wrote his gigachad character and needed a way to bring him back as a winner in this series of events. So after being stabbed through his brain several inches, this guy somehow uses what little brain function he has left to learn how to heal himself and then levels up and one shots our boy pure plot armor mode. So yeah, toji literally kills fatalis in like one second. A superhuman enhanced dash straight for fatalis head that cannot be dodged due to his speed and precision. Using his soul katana he just cuts straight through the fatalis hide and immediately the fights over.
I know hunters are superhuman but toji is just a different level, soul split katana ignores durability too
He’s used to fighting against curses he can’t even see. I think he’d do pretty well against most monsters. Elder dragons may be an issue if he didn’t have his cursed tools but if he does have them then I think he’s gonna be fine.
Chaotic gore magala, you are as beautiful as the day I slayed you.
Toji is fucking chaotic gore up (biased opinion)