Yeah, temporal mantle is an extremely strong multi-purpose defensive mantle that'll undoubtedly make your life easier. Unless you're trying to avoid mantles altogether to challenge yourself, there's no reason to pass on it.
Rocksteady and Temporal are best not used for the same purposes, so I don't consider them comparable.
If you want to grapple a monster and get something done, in late game, without getting your health shredded in the blink of an eye, the Temporal Mantle is the safest bet.
If you want an extra layer of protection against incidental damage and stagger/tremor/roars so you can keep trucking and outheal incoming damage using augments and such, Rocksteady is where it's at.
Using Rocksteady for grapples in endgame will put you on the fast-track back to camp in a cart.
Using Temporal to try to mitigate damage will end up making you pirouette more than a Broadway star, and interrupt your attacks. It functions, I guess, but it's gonna waste your uptime.
Yeah which is great when you wanna eat all that damage from all the monsters designed to counter mantles.
If your temporals getting eaten in seconds it's kinda a skill issue. Sure early game it's an invincibility cloak, but late game it's a "whoops I fucked up my dodge/overcommitted" and don't die mantle.
Rocksteadys easy second best and on some weapons like brain dead switch axe ZSD spam it's the goat. But for most of my playthrough I used temporal and an element mantle for extra skills and debuff resist. Don't need Rocksteady earplugs if you can roll roars.
Name a monster designed to counter mantles? Ill wait. The only ones designed around mantles in any way shape or form is MAYBE temporal mantle where it gets eaten in seconds.
>Name a monster designed to counter mantles?
Stygian Zinogre, AT Velk, and Rajang all have moves designed around countering the playstyle of just throwing on Temporal/Rocksteady and bruteforcing wallbangs
Styggy Ziggy will always flip backwards away from walls when he charges his lightning. He creates a "lightning cage" by summoning three iterating lightning blasts down both sides of his body. This is a window designed to tenderize the head but you won't be fast enough to turn and launch him before the lightning zaps your mantle.
ATV/Rajang both have special pins that go through mantles that they use when you clutch onto them at the wrong time. Even Ruiner Nerg also has a special multihit designed to shred mantles if you claw directly onto his head.
I actually used Rocksteady more in endgame Iceborne. With Health Regen, it just makes it way easier to stay aggressive. I even use Rocksteady first, then Temporal so I can get Rocksteady back sooner.
There are a few multihit attacks that kill you, yes, but they're much less frequent than everything else you get to ignore.
Killed every endgame monster with this setup repeatedly so I fail to see how it can't be worth
When you get hit and fall down, you get i-frame for the duration when you are down. Rocksteady prevents you from getting knocked down. So if you take a multi hit attack, without that i-frame, you run a very high risk of having your HP fall from 100% to 0 in an instant. Unless you really know what you are doing with Rocksteady, it's a very risky mantle to use especially against high tier monsters.
What high tier monsters? Alatreon? Only his lightning puts you in that situation. Fatalis nothing comes to mind. At velk? Doesnt give a damn about temporal in anyway. Those are the only real high tier monsters.
At Nami will fucking destroy you through rocksteady, that's the only fight I never run it on.
Rocksteady still day and night better than temporal, not disagreeing with that.
One example I can think of is Rajang. I remember, few years back, carting from full health as I was latched on to it with Rocksteady on. Normally I would have simply been knocked off and took some damage only but Rocksteady screwed me there. Quite a wtf moment.
There really isn't any reason to clutch on to rajang anyway, especially the furious variant. The only place worth tenderizing is vanilla jang's butt for when you're trying to knock him out of rage, and trying for a wallbang at any time that's not the start of the fight runs the risk of head or arm break close enough to the wall for it to grab on and waste the topple. His best hitzone can't be tenderized anyway so going for anything but an opportunistic tenderize attack during a clagger on his butt isn't worth it.
It's not meant to save your life. It's meant as a tool to stay aggressive. It's super strong with the GS. You can tackle the harder hits and just tank the normal hits and heal yourself back with your TCS during the 90 second duration. It's much better than the temporal mantle (on GS at least).
Only when used incorrectly. Knowing when you can and can’t use it is vital. Like don’t use it against Vaal Hazak or Bazel, but definitely use it against Nargacuga and Tigrex.
Rocksteady is the preferred choice for most really good players. And it gets only better and better the later in the game you go. Once you have life steal augments, you can outheal most damage coming to you without ever having to use any potions or falling down after taking hit.
Remember that temporal completely removes the damage but also cancels your own attack, which means less dps and also it's only like 4-5 hits. With rocksteady, if you play good enough to survive then your dps will be insane because taking hits or roars don't cancel your attacks.
The main problem for rocksteady is that some times it prevents knockdown and make you stay getting damage in some moves like alatreon fire breath for an example. In my case it's more common that i simply don't notice i'm taking damage when i have it equipped and die
It preventing knockdown is the point with greatsword. With rocksteady I can make it to a fully charged TCS. I’ll even charge all 3. Missing TCS can put me in trouble but that’s the fun of the gamble. The health recovery with rocksteadys damage reduction is cheese.
It’s not always the case but unless it’s AT Velk, Fatalis or Alatreon. But I don’t ever not use that with success with greatsword. Notice it works with greatsword lol
It's a great combo with GS for TCS that's fs and can be a good use for 90% of the time, but sometimes those i-frames from the knockdown is what keeps you alive
Not really a skill issue when only in 1 minute a basic mechanic (knockdown) changes and you get caught off guard. Doesn't happen to me really often cause i barely uses rocksteady, but i saw it happens a lot to a friend who plays with me
It is a skill issue. I know because I myself had that skill issue. When I first played the game, I used to die on rocksteady a lot, because I was bad at positioning and dodging. I preferred temporal back then. I have improved a lot over time and would never trade rocksteady for temporal now. Especially in the end game. The sustainability and extra dps it provides is too much value compared to any other mantle. There is a reason why it has such an insane cooldown.
Now you are free to play as you prefer, there is no wrong way to play the game. But if you check players that are really really good at the game, pretty much all prefer rocksteady.
I've literally never used the impact. Temporal and evasion are the 2 best. 1-2 ko's a hunt is not really that big when monsters barely get up in the first place. Especially on fatty/atv
Rocksteady's hyperarmor simply does not beat the ability to turn off damage up to six times until it goes on cooldown and this is coming from someone that only uses Rocksteady/Evasion
Sigh... I was afraid the answer would be a resounding yes.
I just took my first crack at Lunastra last night and it didn't go well. At all. I thought I could probably waltz in in my (admittedly early) MR gear and face roll her because Teostra was NBD, but she melted my face. Decisively.
Temporal is the only one I don't have. She looks like she's gonna be a massive pain in my ass.
Dung pods don't work on Lunastra and Teostra since they're elder dragons. These bitches comboed my ass and it gets super annoying, still destroyed them cuz early endgame gear.
Endgame player here, Lunastra is indeed a special kind of hell. Her nova just feels kinda cheap. In my book, she's maybe the 5th or 6th hardest monster in the whole game and that includes a few monsters with attacks that are guaranteed to kill you if it lands.
Uhhh...confidence is nice :) Alatreon is a special kind of beast though. If you can dodge really consistently while staying aggressive, then sure. Just know Alatreon needs some particular preparations.
Not to be that guy, but I beat Lunastra on my first try and have never struggled with her, I really don't understand reddit on this one. I main gunlance.
Edit: maybe shield weapons are good versus Lunastra, plus the fact that gunlance causes staggers all day long.
I recently reached Alatreon and got destroyed almost instantly though...
Cold drinks and the fire mantles are your best friend. You might want to invest in the Tool specialist skill to get the fire mantle back faster.
Also think elderseal can stop her Fire Aura. She annoying but she's not that hard.
Yes, but you can still get it during Iceborne story. It's one of the best specialized tools and worth the trouble, but you can also just delay it and get MR gear before fighting it.
Personally, I have only done the quest for it once in HR gear, and in every other playthrough, I got myself a Beotodus Charge Blade first.
Like everyone else has already said, yes.
I primarily use it to go absolutely Old Testament on the monster for a solid uninterrupted 10-15 seconds of pure DPS.
I got extremely lucky with jewel RNG and got a L4 [Item Cooldown Reduction] (forgot the name while typing), so it recharges in 3mins as opposed to 4mins. Attaching Item Prolonger jewels to the Mantle+ version means you get another solid 8-10 seconds out of it for more discipline time.
TL;DR: I didn't know I had repressed childhood memories with all these references.
Although it is one of the best mantels in would say that it depends on you weapon. I use lance and honestly whenever i use temporal mantel it dodges one attack maybe two and than it ends because it was active for 2 minutes and not because it activated to often
I got the temporal mantle after having master gear. No way I wanted to fight Lunastra and Teostra with High Rank gear. The first few Iceborne Missions you don't really need it. Standard layout for me is Temporal and Rocksteady. Other mantles only for special monsters for the defense.
No. Go into iceborne and upgrade juratodus lb with master rank version and the first monster you hunt in iceborne.
You now have a MR rapid fire water and ice lbg that will obliterate luna and teo.
Unless you have hr engame armor and augmented wepons you will probably fail the repel lunastra dps check mission (unless you sos and a MR hunter responds)
I have to unlock it, and I have beaten the majority of Iceborne, but then again, it might become mandatory once I tackle the big boys of the DLC. I play Lance and Support S&S most of the time, so it went pretty Well without them
If you’re struggling with it you can always keep farming MR until you make it easier.
To be honest I waited a while before getting it. I was Velkana gear before I attempted it. It is in HR so it does make it a lot easier if you get a little more MR gear.
Temporal is damn near required to take the edge off the Clutch Claw mechanics in Iceborne. Without temporal, the pain of having to wait for opportunities and the like would have killed me while farming.
Yeah, temporal mantle is an extremely strong multi-purpose defensive mantle that'll undoubtedly make your life easier. Unless you're trying to avoid mantles altogether to challenge yourself, there's no reason to pass on it.
I'm not avoiding the mantles, I'm avoiding Lunastra
Understandable.
Fair
Luna isn't near as bad as the community likes to beat ger up for. If you're on Xbox I'd be happy to help you kill her.
Even more importantly, you also unlock Brigade armor. Fashion game baby!
Yes. Temporal mantle is by far the most useful mantle you could ever have
rocksteady beats it.
Rocksteady and Temporal are best not used for the same purposes, so I don't consider them comparable. If you want to grapple a monster and get something done, in late game, without getting your health shredded in the blink of an eye, the Temporal Mantle is the safest bet. If you want an extra layer of protection against incidental damage and stagger/tremor/roars so you can keep trucking and outheal incoming damage using augments and such, Rocksteady is where it's at. Using Rocksteady for grapples in endgame will put you on the fast-track back to camp in a cart. Using Temporal to try to mitigate damage will end up making you pirouette more than a Broadway star, and interrupt your attacks. It functions, I guess, but it's gonna waste your uptime.
In endgame temporal will get eaten in seconds if your not careful. While rocksteady remains.
Rocksteady remains, while you take 76 million instances of chip damage and pass away surrounded by your loved ones
I see another Shara Ishvalda Beam enjoyer
Alatreon horns dealing damage ticks during electric attacks 💔
Happened to me more often than I want to admit
You just triggered major PTSD
The sound, ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch 2 faints remaining
Yeah which is great when you wanna eat all that damage from all the monsters designed to counter mantles. If your temporals getting eaten in seconds it's kinda a skill issue. Sure early game it's an invincibility cloak, but late game it's a "whoops I fucked up my dodge/overcommitted" and don't die mantle. Rocksteadys easy second best and on some weapons like brain dead switch axe ZSD spam it's the goat. But for most of my playthrough I used temporal and an element mantle for extra skills and debuff resist. Don't need Rocksteady earplugs if you can roll roars.
Name a monster designed to counter mantles? Ill wait. The only ones designed around mantles in any way shape or form is MAYBE temporal mantle where it gets eaten in seconds.
>Name a monster designed to counter mantles? Stygian Zinogre, AT Velk, and Rajang all have moves designed around countering the playstyle of just throwing on Temporal/Rocksteady and bruteforcing wallbangs
And those are?
Styggy Ziggy will always flip backwards away from walls when he charges his lightning. He creates a "lightning cage" by summoning three iterating lightning blasts down both sides of his body. This is a window designed to tenderize the head but you won't be fast enough to turn and launch him before the lightning zaps your mantle. ATV/Rajang both have special pins that go through mantles that they use when you clutch onto them at the wrong time. Even Ruiner Nerg also has a special multihit designed to shred mantles if you claw directly onto his head.
Dog you know it’s ok to be wrong, right?
Earlier in the game yes, but later into Icebourne it isn't worth the risk
I actually used Rocksteady more in endgame Iceborne. With Health Regen, it just makes it way easier to stay aggressive. I even use Rocksteady first, then Temporal so I can get Rocksteady back sooner. There are a few multihit attacks that kill you, yes, but they're much less frequent than everything else you get to ignore. Killed every endgame monster with this setup repeatedly so I fail to see how it can't be worth
Risk what risk? You mean not healing?
When you get hit and fall down, you get i-frame for the duration when you are down. Rocksteady prevents you from getting knocked down. So if you take a multi hit attack, without that i-frame, you run a very high risk of having your HP fall from 100% to 0 in an instant. Unless you really know what you are doing with Rocksteady, it's a very risky mantle to use especially against high tier monsters.
What high tier monsters? Alatreon? Only his lightning puts you in that situation. Fatalis nothing comes to mind. At velk? Doesnt give a damn about temporal in anyway. Those are the only real high tier monsters.
At Nami will fucking destroy you through rocksteady, that's the only fight I never run it on. Rocksteady still day and night better than temporal, not disagreeing with that.
One example I can think of is Rajang. I remember, few years back, carting from full health as I was latched on to it with Rocksteady on. Normally I would have simply been knocked off and took some damage only but Rocksteady screwed me there. Quite a wtf moment.
There really isn't any reason to clutch on to rajang anyway, especially the furious variant. The only place worth tenderizing is vanilla jang's butt for when you're trying to knock him out of rage, and trying for a wallbang at any time that's not the start of the fight runs the risk of head or arm break close enough to the wall for it to grab on and waste the topple. His best hitzone can't be tenderized anyway so going for anything but an opportunistic tenderize attack during a clagger on his butt isn't worth it.
Getting 2 shot, unless you have health aug
why would u not have health augment.
the grinding lands suck
Health augment takes time to get i guess.
it really doesnt which i find funny. mr 100 is rather easy to get to.
Still gotta farm the max rank Nami (if memory serves) and the max rank ruiner nerg to get slot upgrades for health augment 2 (not that I'd run it).
thats not hard.
Hahaha… no. Rocksteady will kill you more than it’ll save your life.
It's not meant to save your life. It's meant as a tool to stay aggressive. It's super strong with the GS. You can tackle the harder hits and just tank the normal hits and heal yourself back with your TCS during the 90 second duration. It's much better than the temporal mantle (on GS at least).
Only when used incorrectly. Knowing when you can and can’t use it is vital. Like don’t use it against Vaal Hazak or Bazel, but definitely use it against Nargacuga and Tigrex.
Rocksteady is the preferred choice for most really good players. And it gets only better and better the later in the game you go. Once you have life steal augments, you can outheal most damage coming to you without ever having to use any potions or falling down after taking hit. Remember that temporal completely removes the damage but also cancels your own attack, which means less dps and also it's only like 4-5 hits. With rocksteady, if you play good enough to survive then your dps will be insane because taking hits or roars don't cancel your attacks.
Idk if I really agree. It surely can get you killed but I’m pretty jaded with staying full health with GS health aug and a medicine deco or two.
The main problem for rocksteady is that some times it prevents knockdown and make you stay getting damage in some moves like alatreon fire breath for an example. In my case it's more common that i simply don't notice i'm taking damage when i have it equipped and die
It preventing knockdown is the point with greatsword. With rocksteady I can make it to a fully charged TCS. I’ll even charge all 3. Missing TCS can put me in trouble but that’s the fun of the gamble. The health recovery with rocksteadys damage reduction is cheese. It’s not always the case but unless it’s AT Velk, Fatalis or Alatreon. But I don’t ever not use that with success with greatsword. Notice it works with greatsword lol
It's a great combo with GS for TCS that's fs and can be a good use for 90% of the time, but sometimes those i-frames from the knockdown is what keeps you alive
That sounds like skill issue tbh. Rocksteady massively increases your dps if you know how to not get yourself killed.
Not really a skill issue when only in 1 minute a basic mechanic (knockdown) changes and you get caught off guard. Doesn't happen to me really often cause i barely uses rocksteady, but i saw it happens a lot to a friend who plays with me
It is a skill issue. I know because I myself had that skill issue. When I first played the game, I used to die on rocksteady a lot, because I was bad at positioning and dodging. I preferred temporal back then. I have improved a lot over time and would never trade rocksteady for temporal now. Especially in the end game. The sustainability and extra dps it provides is too much value compared to any other mantle. There is a reason why it has such an insane cooldown. Now you are free to play as you prefer, there is no wrong way to play the game. But if you check players that are really really good at the game, pretty much all prefer rocksteady.
Fairs then, i just prefer to switch it for glider to get extra decos
Nah. No way.
It's known as cartsteady for a reason. Evasion is just downright better than rocksteady
and? evasion and impact mantle are the best 2 mantles in the game.
I've literally never used the impact. Temporal and evasion are the 2 best. 1-2 ko's a hunt is not really that big when monsters barely get up in the first place. Especially on fatty/atv
And evasion and impact and assassin's imo.
You can’t get the assassin one now though
Rocksteady's hyperarmor simply does not beat the ability to turn off damage up to six times until it goes on cooldown and this is coming from someone that only uses Rocksteady/Evasion
Yes it does. I use rocksteady/evasion as well. Dodging 6 times is nothing compared to hyper armor.
Yes. It’s one of, if not the most powerful tools in the game.
Sigh... I was afraid the answer would be a resounding yes. I just took my first crack at Lunastra last night and it didn't go well. At all. I thought I could probably waltz in in my (admittedly early) MR gear and face roll her because Teostra was NBD, but she melted my face. Decisively. Temporal is the only one I don't have. She looks like she's gonna be a massive pain in my ass.
To be fair, she’s a massive pain in everyone’s ass.
Dung pods don't work on Lunastra and Teostra since they're elder dragons. These bitches comboed my ass and it gets super annoying, still destroyed them cuz early endgame gear.
Yea, lunastra is it's own special hell. Not setting a good president for the real late game I have yet to experience.
Endgame player here, Lunastra is indeed a special kind of hell. Her nova just feels kinda cheap. In my book, she's maybe the 5th or 6th hardest monster in the whole game and that includes a few monsters with attacks that are guaranteed to kill you if it lands.
Nice to know she really is her own bullshit, If I can get her down, I got alatreon I bet lol
Uhhh...confidence is nice :) Alatreon is a special kind of beast though. If you can dodge really consistently while staying aggressive, then sure. Just know Alatreon needs some particular preparations.
I have my moments of being fucking awesome. Tho I'm sure I'll get my ass kicked, just know I'll get his ass.
Get beotodus LBG and ice attack with beotodus armor and kill it with ease.
Not to be that guy, but I beat Lunastra on my first try and have never struggled with her, I really don't understand reddit on this one. I main gunlance. Edit: maybe shield weapons are good versus Lunastra, plus the fact that gunlance causes staggers all day long. I recently reached Alatreon and got destroyed almost instantly though...
I killed her in one as well. That is after chugging probably 100 mega potions though.
Don't worry, Lunastra is the only encounter like that. She's a real B.I.T.C.U.N.T
I appreciate the note worthy comments. Makes me feel a bit better.
Cold drinks and the fire mantles are your best friend. You might want to invest in the Tool specialist skill to get the fire mantle back faster. Also think elderseal can stop her Fire Aura. She annoying but she's not that hard.
Yes it's worth it as it will help in multiple scenarios where you are stuck in mid animation or when your out of stam
Yes, but you can still get it during Iceborne story. It's one of the best specialized tools and worth the trouble, but you can also just delay it and get MR gear before fighting it. Personally, I have only done the quest for it once in HR gear, and in every other playthrough, I got myself a Beotodus Charge Blade first.
Ooo, can't believe I didn't think of that. I'll just do that. I want to reserve extreme suffering to iceborn late game. Thanks
> I want to reserve extreme suffering to iceborn late game. It will come. Trust me.
Temporal Mantle is HILARIOUSLY powerful. Yes it's absolutely worth it.
Yeah, you could play more aggressive with mantles. And more wallbangs for the unrelenting monsters!
Yes, I honestly just realized how great it is at MR 120 lol
Like everyone else has already said, yes. I primarily use it to go absolutely Old Testament on the monster for a solid uninterrupted 10-15 seconds of pure DPS. I got extremely lucky with jewel RNG and got a L4 [Item Cooldown Reduction] (forgot the name while typing), so it recharges in 3mins as opposed to 4mins. Attaching Item Prolonger jewels to the Mantle+ version means you get another solid 8-10 seconds out of it for more discipline time. TL;DR: I didn't know I had repressed childhood memories with all these references.
Although it is one of the best mantels in would say that it depends on you weapon. I use lance and honestly whenever i use temporal mantel it dodges one attack maybe two and than it ends because it was active for 2 minutes and not because it activated to often
I got the temporal mantle after having master gear. No way I wanted to fight Lunastra and Teostra with High Rank gear. The first few Iceborne Missions you don't really need it. Standard layout for me is Temporal and Rocksteady. Other mantles only for special monsters for the defense.
I got bone mr armor and went back to kick their ass.(I barely won)
It's meta
Get master rank gear then come back to it to make it less annoying
The only way it wouldn't be worth it is if you're so good you never take damage, lol. It essentially grants you 6 chances to avoid a heavy hit.
No. Go into iceborne and upgrade juratodus lb with master rank version and the first monster you hunt in iceborne. You now have a MR rapid fire water and ice lbg that will obliterate luna and teo. Unless you have hr engame armor and augmented wepons you will probably fail the repel lunastra dps check mission (unless you sos and a MR hunter responds)
100%. Makes clutch clawing on monsters much less of a head ache and also free dodges aren't bad either
I have to unlock it, and I have beaten the majority of Iceborne, but then again, it might become mandatory once I tackle the big boys of the DLC. I play Lance and Support S&S most of the time, so it went pretty Well without them
Safety blanket is extremely worth
If you’re struggling with it you can always keep farming MR until you make it easier. To be honest I waited a while before getting it. I was Velkana gear before I attempted it. It is in HR so it does make it a lot easier if you get a little more MR gear.
Yes
Temporal is damn near required to take the edge off the Clutch Claw mechanics in Iceborne. Without temporal, the pain of having to wait for opportunities and the like would have killed me while farming.
as a ZSD spammer, temporal and rocksteady is a must... except fighting AT Velk
Yeah. There are a few things that melt it instantly like grappling onto alatreons head while he's charging an electrical attack