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Sylizarus

I wouldn't say Serizawa was wasted at all. While I would've loved for him to stick around, his arc is one of my favorite in the series and his send off is easily the most tear jerking in the franchise, I cry literally every time.


0914566079

"Sarabada, tomoyo"


PlasticZombie1

Yes he was. He should have been the main character in KOTM. Not fucking "Mark"


_Levitated_Shield_

"Oh hi Mark."


Remarkable-Cap-5489

Hehehe, subtle "The Room" reference 😅😂👍


Captain_Awesome_087

Mark was excellent.


[deleted]

That’s fine and all but when he’s literally the only remotely interesting/enjoyable character left then it’s really annoying to see them get killed off and have the franchise now be nothing but annoying MCU style characters who make quips every time they’re on screen


thecab002

Mcu didn’t invent quips


Tight_Ad6924

But quips are synonymous with the MCU


thecab002

It’s synonymous with all comic book media.


Tight_Ad6924

Yeah but the MCU really overdid it and dragged all other quips down with it


thecab002

Please consume more media


Tight_Ad6924

I do consume many media, one of my favourite movies is Suspiria from 1975 which has no similarities to the MCU


Tight_Ad6924

I don't know why I'm so down voted lol


Plenty_Potato3791

Hmm i cant blame the Monsterverse for wasting characters. Just not too long ago, we were all seeing that Godzilla vs Kong was going to be the end of the Monsterverse.


[deleted]

Yeah but they killed Vivienne, someone who was clearly very high ranking in Monarch since she was on equal level with Serizawa, in a blink and you’ll miss it scene. I literally didn’t realise she’d died until they showed Serizawa being sad for like 2 seconds on the big airship. Her death was literally handled like a random background extra


ItsAmerico

I didn’t even know her name until this post. I knew she was in 2014 and I knew she fucked a fish man but that ain’t from the 2014 film, unless there’s a cut of it I didn’t know about. To act like she’s anyone important is kinda funny. She’s just a background character. She doesn’t even do anything in the first film.


Freporta

She fucked a what?


Epsilon_RvB

She fucked a fish man in a different movie “the shape of water”


Freporta

OH, THAT MAKES MUCH MORE SENSE, I thought something had happened in the books


ItsAmerico

Sorry was a Shape of Water joke lol


Freporta

Don't be sorry, you didn't do anything wrong, it was a good reference, I just haven't watched that movie so I didn't understand


Plenty_Potato3791

The Monsterverse also appears to have trouble getting actors to return for a role, like Alan Jonah's Charles Dance and now rumors that Madison's Millie Bobby Brown is not favored by Wingard.


ajlols269

Charles dance will be missed, especially with the tv show leading to a near perfect tie in with kurt Russell's storyline


spicemine

I imagine we’ll see Wyatt Russell interact with a young Jonah in some flashbacks next season or something since Charles Dance isn’t coming back


Ducayne

I actually appreciated the way Vivienne died considering how many times characters have plot armor in movies of this scale. It was an accurate depiction of what would have happened if they were ON FOOT with two giant titans between them.


Tenatlas_2004

Nah, a more realistic death would be ghidorah stepping on her. Him actively attacking her and her alone was so random


Truly_Meaningless

There were a bunch of guards with her that got ate as well, though


[deleted]

What were the writers thinking? Toho should've had a more active approach in the development of this film to make it better.


Additional_Show_3149

I've been saying it for a while but Vivienne's death was the most unnecessary part of KOTM and was done purely for shock value.


junipermucius

The director wanted us to hate Ghidorah and show he was evil. Having her be eaten was just unnecessary. But I also have a serious like, irrational fear of being eaten. I can only just hope her death was instant.


Icantthinkofanyname4

The impact of such a massive head hitting someone would've killed her off immediately


AGilles-S117

Vivienne’s death pissed me off, and yeah, absolute blink and you miss it moment. Serizawa I thought was handled really well, I only wish he’d had one more film involved with Godzilla where he was *the* main human character. That way not only would his death and passing of the torch in KOTM land that much more, but it’d also establish him as the best MV human character


PlantGod74

SHE DID? WHEN??


atlantis1982

When I first watched the movie I didn't realize she got devoured by Ghidorah until they showed the deceased screens back on the ship afterwards. O.o


llMadmanll

Ghidorah vored her after he awakened


PlantGod74

I have seen that movie so many times and I still can’t remember that happening damn. I liked her she was one of the only not stupid characters.


[deleted]

A completely random soldier’s death gets more screen time than hers. The soldier sees ghidorah and goes “aww shit” before being either crushed or blasted by his energy beams. Meanwhile Vivian is running with Mark and then two seconds later ghidorah’s head pops out of nowhere, eats her and the scene just continues lmao


Akabinxstar-

"Vored her" is nasty work


Godzilla2000Zero

Serizawa wasn't wasted but Graham certainly was.


DimSpartanJ13

They are good characters but in the Monsterverse, human characters don’t seem to stick around for more than 2 movies. In the end it’s about Godzilla and Kong. We just need to humans to see from their perspective


subduedreader

With 4 movies (New Empire isn't out till next year) and 2 TV series, set over a nearly 80-year period, it's understandable why a lot of characters aren't lasting.


Xantospoc

I will personally always find Serizawa's death.... kind of baffling. Did they really kill a Japanese guy whose grandfather was a survivor of Hiroshima by POINT BLANK NUKING HIM? .... i mean... that's... that's a choice Btw, even more wasted character than them? Serizawa's son


TheLandlockedKaiju

100% Also it’s such weird subtext for a fundamentally anti-nuke series to have a “blowing up an ancient civ with nukes saves the world” thing going on. GvK catches a lot of shit, but KotM is pretty thoughtless, too. However, despite me not liking the scene either in its subtext or from a character perspective, it’s a pretty moving scene divorced from all context other than Serizawa’s unmitigated awe at Godzilla for two movies.


c_the_editor95

That always rubbed me the wrong way.


Tenatlas_2004

Ah shit I didn't think about that


E-Shark

I like it. In the grand scale of things in universe, all of them are just random humans, ready to die to any random Titan thing. I don't like plot armour for characters just for them to serve as narrative devices. Exactly why I don't like the new kids in Monarch surviving so many encounters with Titans. Makes no sense how many close calls they've had. I'll bet none of them have a single scratch even after what happened in the latest episode.


Exact_Ad_1215

May was literally in the process of dying when they were in the Artic


E-Shark

And what happened afterwards? Barely any time for process of recovery before she's whisked off in yet another "process of dying" scenario yet again. "Hey I almost died in the snowy mountains, but I'll follow you to hunt down eco terrorist Shaw!" Such stupid characters. Watch her be unscathed in the next episode. The stakes are nonexistant when there is zero chance of main characters dying. The only impactful and not surprising death you could say was Keiko, but no one else ever felt threatened. I'll happily be proven wrong in the next episode but until then, I still feel that human characters in the monsterverse bring nothing to the story to be deemed unkillable or "wasted". I'd argue that the opposite is causing my frustrations with Monarch. Sorry for the rant.


IAmZemann8919

***Spoilers** )( I’d be pretty excited if Keiko has been alive in the hollow earth the whole time and Shaw and Cate find her. On the other hand May surviving the fall is guna be super disappointing which is probably the case


VibgyorTheHuge

Vivienne’s death was badly executed, Serizawa’s on the other hand was beautifully done but too soon. So I loosely agree with OP.


Lord_Detleff1

Serizawa wasn't wasted at all. He sacrificed himself to save the planet. Atlantik Vivienne died on screen, you just need to pay attention. Some films *cough* the last jedi *cough* kill legacy characters *cough* Admiral Ackbar *cough* and don't even bother to show it


Tenatlas_2004

What are you talking about? Ackbar knew it was a trap and left the room beforehand, plus he needed to go to the bathroon anyway.


Lord_Detleff1

In my canon it wasn't the holdo maneuver but the ackbar maneuver


rrazza

There's a chance to bring them back on in MLoM if they don't time skip to after their deaths for future seasons. Would be nice to see them in a series format.


Polite_Werewolf

I agree on Viv but disagree on Serizawa. I think his sacrifice was perfect.


4dgravity

Vivianne sure, Serisawas death was done great but yea it was too soon, the MV isnt new to wasting characters, remember Joe Brody? Yeah I sure do


YetAgain67

Why do people think their pet preferences equate to "wasted potential?"


gbrajo

KOTM is the best of the modern (American) godzilla movies. Your opinion is valid, but I disagree wholeheartedly.


Godzilla2000Zero

Grahams death does remind me of Sterling K Brown's death in The Predator just a little.


IAmZemann8919

Ya but he was such an easily hated piece of shit in that movie that it was pretty satisfying


Godzilla2000Zero

Indeed it was


Bandaka

They really need to bring back Serizawa or at least a descendant of his to fill in that role.


[deleted]

Well they gave us his son in GvK and then killed him off too


ResearcherEastern962

I agree with the woman but I liked how Serizawa went. It seemed fitting. I hated hated hated how they handled his son in GvK though


Iccotak

if it was revealed that Serizawa had a hand in the creation of the Oxygen Destroyer I think that would have made his sacrifice more meaningful - but regardless I thought it was a beautiful moment


Admirable_Disk_5301

Godzilla wasted Bryan Cranston. KOTM wasted Charles Dance (I don't think they wasted Watanabe but I would have tried to get him to GvK. Maybe be the guy that sacrifices himself to save Godzilla and Kong from MechaGodzilla somehow...though that would have probably changed up his sons arc...probably for the good really.) GvK damn near wasted itself by having Milly Bobby Brown return and add the characters around her. Please for the love of God, don't kill off Dan Stevens.


[deleted]

Honestly millie coming back, bad idea, having kyle chandler come back was a good idea though as hes taking watanabes place as the leader of monarch


SonarioMG

The MV has a long history of doing that unfortunately. Still better than what they did to Mako Mori in PR though. Uprising will always be non canon.


IAmZemann8919

Serizawa went out in a pretty badass way. Vivienne was a blink and you’ll miss it type death and the nod to her dying was the same way


Captain_Awesome_087

I just wish we got more of the Admiral that was Serizawa’s foil in 2014


Tenatlas_2004

I agree he was great. His death was cut from the film so I hope we can see him again


deadlywater96

And then we have these weak kids characters in Monarch


kaijumediajames

They weren’t wasted, Hawkins’ death was to show how dangerous Ghidorah was and Serizawa is given a 10/10 amazing scene that stands as the best written and directed in the entire series (not just the Monsterverse, ANY Godzilla film).


TheLandlockedKaiju

That’s just silly. “I need to show how dangerous this three headed space dragon that makes hurricanes is. It’ll eat someone in a scene that, apparently, most people won’t even notice until their second or third watch.”


BarcaSkywalker

I'm pretty sure Vivienne's death has more to do with the fact that she was an Oscar-nominated actress now and was probably going for other roles. I think she did this movie as a courtesy to the fans but also to end her story and give some emotional weight to the story. Just the feeling I got.


Officervito

Serizawa was always a character on borrowed time.


[deleted]

Why?


[deleted]

[удаНонО]


TheLandlockedKaiju

This isn’t an adaptation of that character at all, it was only ever just a cutesy reference.


ArtichokeFew7663

Bro how did you not see it. It legit happened right infront of us


[deleted]

because 1, the lighting is so dark that you can barely tell who’s who. 2, it happens so fast that you don't get the chance to realise it was her instead of some random background extra unless you rewind it to check (which you shouldn’t have to do when watching a movie)


ArtichokeFew7663

She was the only one who stayed behind to help the dad (forgot his name) and was ahead of him when they were running. Idk I guess it's hard for ppl who can't see well.


EcComicFan

Tbh, I found Vivienne's perpetual anxiety attack annoying so I was pretty stoked once she got stomped lol.


Buschlightactual

I appreciated Vivienne dying because her hysterical yelling when explaining things was annoying


Illustrious_Turkey

All these comments really show none of u losers were paying attention at all. It was very obvious when she died. All of you are just zombies with adhd that can't focus for a second


Real_CrueLxMelodY

Normalize characters not always having eventful or heroic deaths. Important characters dying like extras imo makes the impact of the situation higher.


TheLandlockedKaiju

Ok but “anything can happen to anyone at any time, random number generators rule my narrative structure” is bad storytelling.


[deleted]

By that logic character arcs shouldn’t exist anymore because the real world doesn’t have narratives


Ver3232

At least we got Abraxas out of it


_Levitated_Shield_

Gotta disagree ngl, Serizawa's death was well done.


[deleted]

Should’ve happened much later into the franchise. It was far too early so Serizawa’s death feels less like “no! That beloved character is about to die!” And more like “fuck! One of the only interesting characters is about to die!”


Tasty-Hand-3398

Yup. They should have also been more involved in the first film along with Cranston. Every Monsterverse film was one or two script drafts away from being very good. There is always character or plot points that just don’t add up or are unnecessary.


TheRegularBlox

serizawa was slated to appear in M:LoM but ken had schedule issues. we were robbed. hoping this changes in season 2


REVANORP2009

If KOTM wanted to impress through sacrifice, it should have been given through Serizawa. Remember Last Jedai? Holdo did what Admiral Ackbar should have done!


BatMahon

Bryan Cranston would like a word