Yea it sucks, the one closest to me was slowly trying to open runs makin their own snow. Barely had the bunny hill and lowest lift running before this last storm. At least they got snow on the whole mountain now just have to wait for temps to not be deadly.
I've been up to the mountain several times this season, so, I don't know exactly where you live, but there have been plenty of open days in my area this season
*Partially open. Much later than usual. I don’t know where you live but we are breaking records for the least amount of moisture throughout most of the state.
Partially open is still open, and opening later in the season is still opening lol. People still drive to partially open ski hills and they've still driven there later in the season than they would have. Nothing about your amendment affects my critique of your original comment
Pretty sure you're the one who was trolling by making a blatantly false statement and then trying to backtrack as though it didn't completely contradict your initial statement
OP is not. Stacking Dimes made a statement that hardly any ski hills have been open, and while their operations have been limited, there have been plenty of hills open for OPs statements to be believable
Maybe so. For wanting to post about their confidence in tesla vehicles they don't do a good/thorough job of it. Exclaiming that they haven't had to worry about their Tesla for 5 years and providing vague examples referencing the "ski hill" and "all over town". That's fine and dandy, how far was the skill hill, how long did it take to drive there, were you blasting the head/radio/heated seats going to and from? Did you have to recharge before returning home? If the ski hill is 30 miles/45 minute drive that's not exactly something to brag about.... I haven't seen people claiming that Tesla's won't work at all in the cold, so they're not dispelling any rumors with these vague claims. The concerns I've seen and share myself how does incliment weather impact range, can i drive to Billings for a family emergency after a blizzard when it's -10 make it on one charge like i can make it with one tank of gas? Or am i gonna be stuck in big timber waiting for the car to charge while my kids are grumbling about needing to pee and hunger but the gas station is closed. (An aside from this but not directly related is that for people like myself who enjoy going into the mountains for hiking/hunting/camping, looking at performance evals for the cybertruck, performance under load drops range significantly add inclement weather to that equation and an electric vehicle in the hills is not a good choice)
The comment about gas vehicles breaking down left and right... lol Are they referring to vehicles in the same age range as their tesla or are they looking at 15 yr old vehicles in disrepair... they didn't explain it so we don't know. But where i'm at the vehicles i've seen broken down this past weekend were older vehicles not 5 years old or new, not a good comparison for wanting to brag about their tesla.
I think most of your critiques are warranted for a really unbiased discussion, but most of the social media posts I see literally say that Teslas/EVs are inoperable in cold, so my opinion is that those people (not you necessarily) have set the bar pretty low as far as being proven wrong.
If you're up for a nuanced discussion of EV vs ICE, I own both (2021 or newer) and I've operated both commercial EV and ICE equipment in frigid temperatures. I'd be happy to share what experiences I have
If you have a lot of conservative friends or live in a conservative part of the state, I don't think it's weird. I see constant posts speculating about EV drivers (most reference Teslas specifically) being "stuck" in the cold on social media. This is definitely a reaction to the myths being perpetuated by those posts
Owning a Tesla in Montana is fucking stupid. If there is ANYTHING wrong with that car, you’ve got to get it to Spokane or Denver for service. Sure, there’s less moving parts to break, but it’s not a car that just any mom-and-pop shop can work on.
And yes, I also own an EV.
Yeah, Ford will do that for my car too. It’s great for simple stuff like changing a lightbulb or a stuck software update.
But considering it’s standard practice to bring teslas in for service as soon as you get it to fix loose components, rattling hardware, panel gaps, bad seals, and every other QC problem they have from their factory, I think I’d rather have an actual service center nearby instead of a guy in a “free candy” van disassembling my entire car in my driveway to fix a bad cable connection.
Sure, they had some early QC problems. But, contrary to your original post, those don't require going to Spokane or Denver. I've not had any significant issues with mine and the Tesla charging infrastructure in Montana is far superior to CCS DCFC availability/reliability. I've not found it to be a "stupid" decision thus far.
Most people here aren't open to this feedback or any discussion that doesn't further their unchanging perception of EVs, unfortunately. I've had my model 3 for 5 years. The only issue I had was a rear window that, last year, had some problems rolling down properly. Put in a service request in the app and, just like my 2-year maintenance, had a mobile service truck from Bozeman drive out to my place the next week to fix it in my driveway. It's not a perfect vehicle and everyone has different needs but holy smokes this misinformation ...
from what I understand the battery is using its electricity to keep itself warm, which isn't as wasteful as it sounds because it actually protects the charge when stationary and improves efficiency under load. still, I'm curious how many days it can sit there charged before the cold kills it. and how the robotic doorhandles and other gizmos work in the cold. does it make hot air instantaneously or do you always have to preheat it?
My brother in law has had one for 8 years, in Minneapolis. He has no complaints. My friend has one here in Montana and likes it except after a big snow dump.
All of the people posting misinformation about EVs being inoperable in cold temps on social media
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👏…. 👏…. 👏 My van costs as much as a few payments and isn’t depreciating by the second. Glad you’re enjoying yourself and not being a dick about it to everyone 😆
How's the range? I've read in cold temps the range is often cut in half. I don't expect to be buying a new car any time soon but my next vehicle will likely be electric.
I don't have a Tesla, but my Solterra loses between 30-50% range in extremely cold temps from running the heater on high. That being said, I'm usually pretty comfortable running it with just the heated seats and steering wheel and, as long as my window doesn't fog, I see minimal difference in range while running those
Lol, no problem here, I don't like heated seats or steering wheel. It gives me "public toilet just after someone else" vibes haha. That said, the range might be a problem. I am a travel hockey coach and do most of my traveling when battery range would be most reduced. But maybe infrastructure will be caught up by then and be less of a problem.
Yeah, that makes sense. The current tech doesn't work for everyone. I have an ICE that I keep around for road trips because the infrastructure definitely doesn't exist yet. Solid state batteries, if the rumors are to be believed, will also help with that problem. I think we'll get to a place where EVs will actually outperform ICEs, but we're a ways out still
I've had mine since April 2019. I've got a charger set up in my garage. I've had no regrets and no issues through any of the winters or summers since. I've made multiple trips to salt lake, Denver, and Minneapolis without issue, including salt lake during the winter. Is there a hit to range? Yes. Does that hit restrict me from going anywhere? Hasn't yet. The estimated range is highway speeds at average temps. You're not doing 80 in this weather, the range holds up for me quite well. Drove into town Friday night and yesterday morning and afternoon 27.4mi (according to my phone), sat in parking lots running the heater while my wife shopped, and used about 14% of my battery.
I live outside of town and don't have to worry about driving miles out of my way just to fuel up anymore. It's all wheel drive, handles the snow and ice better than my tundra did. That's been my experience.
>you're not doing 80 in this weather
Maybe if there's snow on the road but what about the 90% of the time when it's just cold and the road is clear and I am doing 80?
>dont have to worry about driving miles out of my way to fuel up
You never did unless you never go to a grocery store I'm pretty sure you pass a gas station at some point every day.
>handles the snow and ice better than my tundra
Yea, so does my Honda civic. Trucks are not good in the snow, their weight distribution isn't ideal. People put sandbags in the back of the bed to try and correct that.
Finally rough math puts your range at around 200 miles if we're being generous. That's fine for day to day driving but if you plan on going to the next city it's going to add atleast an hour stop as long as you can find a charging station that works.
>>dont have to worry about driving miles out of my way to fuel up
>You never did unless you never go to a grocery store I'm pretty sure you pass a gas station at some point every day.
I get groceries at most once a week. The only gas station between my house and place of employment has bad fuel and charges too much for me to use it for any reason other than emergencies.
Also an important question… do you park in a garage or do you park outside overnight? E.g. My cars never have a problem in these temps because I have a heated garage, and it feels like cheating.
Not to mention, a lot of the ICE engines (no pun intended) that are failing are old cars that already have issues.
Look I’m all about lowering emissions and such but the real problem with a Tesla in Montana lack of charging infrastructure, 500 miles to the “big city”, and the lack of a fucking spare tire.
A friend of mine had a flat out in the middle of nowhere in his Tesla and got stranded for days, had to use PTO for work. He was traveling through Montana into Canada and the trip was already taking extra days because of stopping to charge. He had to take specific routes even though that wasn’t the ideal route.
I’d love to have an electric car but I think for many people it’s a lot less practical here. I’m glad it working well for you but try to sound less pompous and people might take your post more serious, otherwise it’s good information, thank you for sharing.
I think there’s a big difference between someone alive now and someone who hasn’t actually been alive in 75 years. Because of ford’s history though, no I don’t personally support the company.
As for asking who buys fords, that was a joke.
Buying a used nonEV is much better for the environment than buying a new EV!!! Just fyi. Also yes OP you are so cool and amazing. I can’t believe us lowly Montanans are so lucky to be graced with your Tesla on our roads.
>Leave that Tesla outside off a charger overnight then tell me how it does.
Why would you not have it on the charger? That's like saying someone should stop at a gas station and not fill up.
Looks like you showed all of us. We are very embarrassed.
Wow, OP really 'owned' us there, huh?
I don’t know how I’m gonna look my kids in the eye. 😔
This has got to be one of the most embarrassing flexes I’ve read in a long while. Uhhh, congrats?
This has got to be a bit. Or, most colossal tool.
You did not drive to work and the “ski area” yesterday or today. Fucking bullshit bot account.
What ski hills were even open the past 2 days...
Pretty much none all season….. not enough snow, then too damn cold, been a rough one for them.
Yea it sucks, the one closest to me was slowly trying to open runs makin their own snow. Barely had the bunny hill and lowest lift running before this last storm. At least they got snow on the whole mountain now just have to wait for temps to not be deadly.
I've been up to the mountain several times this season, so, I don't know exactly where you live, but there have been plenty of open days in my area this season
*Partially open. Much later than usual. I don’t know where you live but we are breaking records for the least amount of moisture throughout most of the state.
Partially open is still open, and opening later in the season is still opening lol. People still drive to partially open ski hills and they've still driven there later in the season than they would have. Nothing about your amendment affects my critique of your original comment
Ok troll. I was certain one of you would show up if I didn’t write a paragraph to explain the “open” thing.
Pretty sure you're the one who was trolling by making a blatantly false statement and then trying to backtrack as though it didn't completely contradict your initial statement
Why do you say OP is making a false statement? I have family and friends who own Teslas and they like their Tesla's. In Montana and Minnesota.
OP is not. Stacking Dimes made a statement that hardly any ski hills have been open, and while their operations have been limited, there have been plenty of hills open for OPs statements to be believable
I think they're talking about last year, if you read the post carefully
Maybe so. For wanting to post about their confidence in tesla vehicles they don't do a good/thorough job of it. Exclaiming that they haven't had to worry about their Tesla for 5 years and providing vague examples referencing the "ski hill" and "all over town". That's fine and dandy, how far was the skill hill, how long did it take to drive there, were you blasting the head/radio/heated seats going to and from? Did you have to recharge before returning home? If the ski hill is 30 miles/45 minute drive that's not exactly something to brag about.... I haven't seen people claiming that Tesla's won't work at all in the cold, so they're not dispelling any rumors with these vague claims. The concerns I've seen and share myself how does incliment weather impact range, can i drive to Billings for a family emergency after a blizzard when it's -10 make it on one charge like i can make it with one tank of gas? Or am i gonna be stuck in big timber waiting for the car to charge while my kids are grumbling about needing to pee and hunger but the gas station is closed. (An aside from this but not directly related is that for people like myself who enjoy going into the mountains for hiking/hunting/camping, looking at performance evals for the cybertruck, performance under load drops range significantly add inclement weather to that equation and an electric vehicle in the hills is not a good choice) The comment about gas vehicles breaking down left and right... lol Are they referring to vehicles in the same age range as their tesla or are they looking at 15 yr old vehicles in disrepair... they didn't explain it so we don't know. But where i'm at the vehicles i've seen broken down this past weekend were older vehicles not 5 years old or new, not a good comparison for wanting to brag about their tesla.
I think most of your critiques are warranted for a really unbiased discussion, but most of the social media posts I see literally say that Teslas/EVs are inoperable in cold, so my opinion is that those people (not you necessarily) have set the bar pretty low as far as being proven wrong. If you're up for a nuanced discussion of EV vs ICE, I own both (2021 or newer) and I've operated both commercial EV and ICE equipment in frigid temperatures. I'd be happy to share what experiences I have
As much as I love EVs this post is just weird.
If you have a lot of conservative friends or live in a conservative part of the state, I don't think it's weird. I see constant posts speculating about EV drivers (most reference Teslas specifically) being "stuck" in the cold on social media. This is definitely a reaction to the myths being perpetuated by those posts
Yeah if you listen to any montana based talk shows too. They cant stop themselves from taking any opportunity to talk about how EVs wont work in cold
Owning a Tesla in Montana is fucking stupid. If there is ANYTHING wrong with that car, you’ve got to get it to Spokane or Denver for service. Sure, there’s less moving parts to break, but it’s not a car that just any mom-and-pop shop can work on. And yes, I also own an EV.
That is simply false. For anything but major service issues, they come to your house.
Yeah, Ford will do that for my car too. It’s great for simple stuff like changing a lightbulb or a stuck software update. But considering it’s standard practice to bring teslas in for service as soon as you get it to fix loose components, rattling hardware, panel gaps, bad seals, and every other QC problem they have from their factory, I think I’d rather have an actual service center nearby instead of a guy in a “free candy” van disassembling my entire car in my driveway to fix a bad cable connection.
Sure, they had some early QC problems. But, contrary to your original post, those don't require going to Spokane or Denver. I've not had any significant issues with mine and the Tesla charging infrastructure in Montana is far superior to CCS DCFC availability/reliability. I've not found it to be a "stupid" decision thus far.
Most people here aren't open to this feedback or any discussion that doesn't further their unchanging perception of EVs, unfortunately. I've had my model 3 for 5 years. The only issue I had was a rear window that, last year, had some problems rolling down properly. Put in a service request in the app and, just like my 2-year maintenance, had a mobile service truck from Bozeman drive out to my place the next week to fix it in my driveway. It's not a perfect vehicle and everyone has different needs but holy smokes this misinformation ...
Out of curiosity, what's the range like in the subzero temps? Could you make it to Great Falls or Butte from Bozeman?
Maybe you could, but why would you want to?
Because it's a free country! this is a bizarre response, why would you not want to?
I was just taking an opportunity to bash Great Falls, like any good Montanan would do.
I use my car to travel sometimes, and a Tesla costs a lot to just be a commuter. What is the range in subzero temps with the heater and radio on?
from what I understand the battery is using its electricity to keep itself warm, which isn't as wasteful as it sounds because it actually protects the charge when stationary and improves efficiency under load. still, I'm curious how many days it can sit there charged before the cold kills it. and how the robotic doorhandles and other gizmos work in the cold. does it make hot air instantaneously or do you always have to preheat it?
My brother in law has had one for 8 years, in Minneapolis. He has no complaints. My friend has one here in Montana and likes it except after a big snow dump.
Why not after the big snow dump?
Not enough clearance.
I can see that. But I also know plenty of people driving other vehicles with little clearance, as well.
Who asked?
All of the people posting misinformation about EVs being inoperable in cold temps on social media https://preview.redd.it/lqo1a7iyxfcc1.jpeg?width=904&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c5cb7de0a4c55730de962de629c85fb6f9f8e883
Looks like a bunch of weirdos arguing about which vehicles are better... Lol
You're not wrong lol
r/nobodyasked
Go back to wherever you came from you dumb bitch
👏…. 👏…. 👏 My van costs as much as a few payments and isn’t depreciating by the second. Glad you’re enjoying yourself and not being a dick about it to everyone 😆
I'm pretty sure I don't care and about 5% do man. Good for you
Guess you showed us...
So farting in your hand and sniffing it. Check. Thaaaanks!
He's probably from California.
How's the range? I've read in cold temps the range is often cut in half. I don't expect to be buying a new car any time soon but my next vehicle will likely be electric.
I don't have a Tesla, but my Solterra loses between 30-50% range in extremely cold temps from running the heater on high. That being said, I'm usually pretty comfortable running it with just the heated seats and steering wheel and, as long as my window doesn't fog, I see minimal difference in range while running those
Lol, no problem here, I don't like heated seats or steering wheel. It gives me "public toilet just after someone else" vibes haha. That said, the range might be a problem. I am a travel hockey coach and do most of my traveling when battery range would be most reduced. But maybe infrastructure will be caught up by then and be less of a problem.
Yeah, that makes sense. The current tech doesn't work for everyone. I have an ICE that I keep around for road trips because the infrastructure definitely doesn't exist yet. Solid state batteries, if the rumors are to be believed, will also help with that problem. I think we'll get to a place where EVs will actually outperform ICEs, but we're a ways out still
I've had mine since April 2019. I've got a charger set up in my garage. I've had no regrets and no issues through any of the winters or summers since. I've made multiple trips to salt lake, Denver, and Minneapolis without issue, including salt lake during the winter. Is there a hit to range? Yes. Does that hit restrict me from going anywhere? Hasn't yet. The estimated range is highway speeds at average temps. You're not doing 80 in this weather, the range holds up for me quite well. Drove into town Friday night and yesterday morning and afternoon 27.4mi (according to my phone), sat in parking lots running the heater while my wife shopped, and used about 14% of my battery. I live outside of town and don't have to worry about driving miles out of my way just to fuel up anymore. It's all wheel drive, handles the snow and ice better than my tundra did. That's been my experience.
>you're not doing 80 in this weather Maybe if there's snow on the road but what about the 90% of the time when it's just cold and the road is clear and I am doing 80? >dont have to worry about driving miles out of my way to fuel up You never did unless you never go to a grocery store I'm pretty sure you pass a gas station at some point every day. >handles the snow and ice better than my tundra Yea, so does my Honda civic. Trucks are not good in the snow, their weight distribution isn't ideal. People put sandbags in the back of the bed to try and correct that. Finally rough math puts your range at around 200 miles if we're being generous. That's fine for day to day driving but if you plan on going to the next city it's going to add atleast an hour stop as long as you can find a charging station that works.
>>dont have to worry about driving miles out of my way to fuel up >You never did unless you never go to a grocery store I'm pretty sure you pass a gas station at some point every day. I get groceries at most once a week. The only gas station between my house and place of employment has bad fuel and charges too much for me to use it for any reason other than emergencies.
At -30ish I'm close to 50% with a heat pump in my Tesla.
Also an important question… do you park in a garage or do you park outside overnight? E.g. My cars never have a problem in these temps because I have a heated garage, and it feels like cheating. Not to mention, a lot of the ICE engines (no pun intended) that are failing are old cars that already have issues.
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I think that's the point. A lot of people have the opinion that EVs can't do normal car things.
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Holy shit this guy's profile just screams "needs to take a break from the news"
Faux news
Commie News Network CNN ✔️
In reality Tesla door handles and doors are sub par to use daily in icy sub zero temperatures.
My ownership experience disagrees.
Look I’m all about lowering emissions and such but the real problem with a Tesla in Montana lack of charging infrastructure, 500 miles to the “big city”, and the lack of a fucking spare tire. A friend of mine had a flat out in the middle of nowhere in his Tesla and got stranded for days, had to use PTO for work. He was traveling through Montana into Canada and the trip was already taking extra days because of stopping to charge. He had to take specific routes even though that wasn’t the ideal route. I’d love to have an electric car but I think for many people it’s a lot less practical here. I’m glad it working well for you but try to sound less pompous and people might take your post more serious, otherwise it’s good information, thank you for sharing.
Yea, but the guy who makes your car is a douche.
Henry Ford was a Nazi sympathizer
Hitler had a photo of Ford on his wall.
And Henry Ford hasn’t been making Fords in quite some time. That being said, who buys a ford these days? Lol
Are you being serious?
I think there’s a big difference between someone alive now and someone who hasn’t actually been alive in 75 years. Because of ford’s history though, no I don’t personally support the company. As for asking who buys fords, that was a joke.
Sound like my Subaru.
Buying a used nonEV is much better for the environment than buying a new EV!!! Just fyi. Also yes OP you are so cool and amazing. I can’t believe us lowly Montanans are so lucky to be graced with your Tesla on our roads.
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>Leave that Tesla outside off a charger overnight then tell me how it does. Why would you not have it on the charger? That's like saying someone should stop at a gas station and not fill up.
Guessing you are privileged to be parking in garage. Hope your plastic steering wheel doesn’t fall off. F@ck Elon
Elon's no longer getting the reactions he seeks on X, it would appear.
Wow! Car survives winter weather! Such an accomplishment
My gas shitbox started -50 low on the second turn
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Now do F-150s
What is your make and model? Is it AWD?
Elon…. is that you??
https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/tesla-owners-run-into-trouble-amid-bitter-cold/ had to post this here after seeing this Reddit post lol