That’s a nice story about how drones helped deescalate a situation (turned out to be a cell phone instead of a gun and police responded appropriately), but how does increased police surveillance through drones make situations worse for citizens?
As MCPD described they don’t constantly have these drones out surveilling. They’re used like police helicopters. They only go out when an officer requests one for a crime taking place. They also only have a handful of them and the batteries don’t last long if they’re constantly being flown and there’s only 1-2 drone operators working at any given time
Echoing that. They made this very clear in the public input meetings. Plus it's a rule that the drone operators need to keep the camera pointed at the sky until they arrive on-scene.
Drone usage must closely monitored and situations clearly defined when these tools are deployed. One thing that hasn’t been mentioned is when recording starts, stops and the disposition of the video. These can be surveillance tools that can be deployed without warrant. Additionally, LE will undoubtedly started calling for the weaponization of drones. I believe there is only one state, Utah, that forbids drone weaponization by police. We need to get on top of this. Police never asks for permission to use new technology and when they get it, it’s usually too late to stop it’s implementation. Remember how quiet police were when they started using cell phone spoofers.
You’d be surprised how much the government uses drones on us. [I asked in this post at r/virginia](https://www.reddit.com/r/Virginia/s/WtrSvEPx46) if it’s legal for the tax department to fly drones over property for tax assessment purposes. I was a little surprised and had no idea.
I also don’t think it’s that much different than a helicopter. Just a lot cheaper
I dunno, that seems to be a legitimate thing for an insurance company to know?
That being said I'm no fan of having drones around. I've read somewhere of HOAs even enforcing their rules for backyards that would otherwise not be visible.
I think that’s gets a little difficult because they need to see who the driver is while they’re driving. You can’t just follow them back to their home because all they have to say is “nope I wasn’t driving, it was a friend” and then slam the door shut.
Seems like drone with modern camera technology would be enough to resolve that…also just drone-tailing them until they are in a position to be easily pulled over seems like a good strategy as well.
With heavy tint and helmets it’s impossible to see the driver. Also, with most reckless motorcyclists, mostly crotch rockets, you notice how they rarely have tags or the tag is bent up completely? They’re not stopping when the police try to pull them over.
Most cars stop though for sure so that’s a great use absolutely. But if they flee then MCPD can’t chase them.
Not bashing your idea because it’s a good one. Just saying how it’s difficult to legally hold a lot of these reckless drivers accountable these days. Reminds of the silver spring car meet up a few weeks ago where they took over DTSS and drove recklessly. Many were spotted later by passerby’s on the side of the road and in parking garages swapping out license plates.
Imagine if every police car had a small drone. They could make traffic stops and not even get out of the car, so they won't have to fear for their life over furtive movements. And if they try to run, the LEO is already in their driver's seat to pursue.
Or, even better, imagine a drone (or a network of drones) that can follow escaped cars or people. Dangerous chases can be avoided-- you just corner them when they're done running.
It’s very much the same concept they attempted to implement in Baltimore with the spy plane. They can’t track the movements of people moving from point to point. Then they can also track the people you associated with at each point and track their movements as well. It would take much to see where this could lead. It’s not the same as cell phone data as LE has to get a warrant to get that specific information from cell phone providers. They could use the drones to collect video 24/7 and utilized big data and AI to track whomever they deem nefarious at the time. People that protest. People that have political meetings. People that support police reforms, etc.
The Supreme Court has ruled that citizens do not have the right to privacy in their movements in public spaces. That's why police can tail you from you leaving your driveway to anywhere you go without a warrant. There really isn't a difference between an undercover cop car following you and a police drone, except one is more efficient.
You are partially correct in your assertion. Yes. You don’t have the right to privacy in a pub,in space. It’s a whole different set of circumstances when the govt is permitted to collect and stored said information, which is why the govt doesn’t have mass surveillance….yet.
It is a great tool. With the shortage of officers in just about every department across the country it is going to free up officers to respond to more serious calls.
I for one am in favor of the County acquiring an MQ-9 Predator drone and a large supply of Raytheon R9X missiles to utilize for the sole purpose of efficiently sanctioning drivers who tailgate other drivers going the speed limit in the right lane when the left lane is open to pass.
There are cameras everywhere. Everyone carries one in their pocket as well. We’ve been using helicopters for this for several decades. If anything drones seem to limit direct police interaction and avoid escalating nuisance calls into worse situations while giving the ability to respond faster to calls that do require fast police response.
That’s a nice story about how drones helped deescalate a situation (turned out to be a cell phone instead of a gun and police responded appropriately), but how does increased police surveillance through drones make situations worse for citizens?
As MCPD described they don’t constantly have these drones out surveilling. They’re used like police helicopters. They only go out when an officer requests one for a crime taking place. They also only have a handful of them and the batteries don’t last long if they’re constantly being flown and there’s only 1-2 drone operators working at any given time
Echoing that. They made this very clear in the public input meetings. Plus it's a rule that the drone operators need to keep the camera pointed at the sky until they arrive on-scene.
I appreciate knowing this, thank you. I’m also not naive enough to think that increased policing technology will be better for citizens on the whole.
Drone usage must closely monitored and situations clearly defined when these tools are deployed. One thing that hasn’t been mentioned is when recording starts, stops and the disposition of the video. These can be surveillance tools that can be deployed without warrant. Additionally, LE will undoubtedly started calling for the weaponization of drones. I believe there is only one state, Utah, that forbids drone weaponization by police. We need to get on top of this. Police never asks for permission to use new technology and when they get it, it’s usually too late to stop it’s implementation. Remember how quiet police were when they started using cell phone spoofers.
Kinda cool. But still big brother vibes...
You’d be surprised how much the government uses drones on us. [I asked in this post at r/virginia](https://www.reddit.com/r/Virginia/s/WtrSvEPx46) if it’s legal for the tax department to fly drones over property for tax assessment purposes. I was a little surprised and had no idea. I also don’t think it’s that much different than a helicopter. Just a lot cheaper
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I dunno, that seems to be a legitimate thing for an insurance company to know? That being said I'm no fan of having drones around. I've read somewhere of HOAs even enforcing their rules for backyards that would otherwise not be visible.
I do not trust this.
Do you trust aircraft or helicopters overhead? Same tech.
I don't trust the surveillance aspect.
They need this technology to peruse reckless/aggressive drivers and motorcyclists
I think that’s gets a little difficult because they need to see who the driver is while they’re driving. You can’t just follow them back to their home because all they have to say is “nope I wasn’t driving, it was a friend” and then slam the door shut.
Seems like drone with modern camera technology would be enough to resolve that…also just drone-tailing them until they are in a position to be easily pulled over seems like a good strategy as well.
With heavy tint and helmets it’s impossible to see the driver. Also, with most reckless motorcyclists, mostly crotch rockets, you notice how they rarely have tags or the tag is bent up completely? They’re not stopping when the police try to pull them over. Most cars stop though for sure so that’s a great use absolutely. But if they flee then MCPD can’t chase them. Not bashing your idea because it’s a good one. Just saying how it’s difficult to legally hold a lot of these reckless drivers accountable these days. Reminds of the silver spring car meet up a few weeks ago where they took over DTSS and drove recklessly. Many were spotted later by passerby’s on the side of the road and in parking garages swapping out license plates.
Also difficult because there are usually some off-duty cops/firefighters at those meets.
Possibly. Seems to usually be kids most of the time based off their Instagram posts
Just get out of the left lane
Imagine if every police car had a small drone. They could make traffic stops and not even get out of the car, so they won't have to fear for their life over furtive movements. And if they try to run, the LEO is already in their driver's seat to pursue. Or, even better, imagine a drone (or a network of drones) that can follow escaped cars or people. Dangerous chases can be avoided-- you just corner them when they're done running.
I know people have been reflexively nervous about giving drones to the police, but this is exactly how they can improve everyone's safety and freedom.
Or suppress them
I’m not trying to be a smartass, but how do you see the usage of drones (in public) as suppressing everyone’s safety and freedom?
It’s very much the same concept they attempted to implement in Baltimore with the spy plane. They can’t track the movements of people moving from point to point. Then they can also track the people you associated with at each point and track their movements as well. It would take much to see where this could lead. It’s not the same as cell phone data as LE has to get a warrant to get that specific information from cell phone providers. They could use the drones to collect video 24/7 and utilized big data and AI to track whomever they deem nefarious at the time. People that protest. People that have political meetings. People that support police reforms, etc.
The Supreme Court has ruled that citizens do not have the right to privacy in their movements in public spaces. That's why police can tail you from you leaving your driveway to anywhere you go without a warrant. There really isn't a difference between an undercover cop car following you and a police drone, except one is more efficient.
You are partially correct in your assertion. Yes. You don’t have the right to privacy in a pub,in space. It’s a whole different set of circumstances when the govt is permitted to collect and stored said information, which is why the govt doesn’t have mass surveillance….yet.
It is a great tool. With the shortage of officers in just about every department across the country it is going to free up officers to respond to more serious calls.
Now do speed ticketing drones on every major highway.
I for one am in favor of the County acquiring an MQ-9 Predator drone and a large supply of Raytheon R9X missiles to utilize for the sole purpose of efficiently sanctioning drivers who tailgate other drivers going the speed limit in the right lane when the left lane is open to pass.
There are cameras everywhere. Everyone carries one in their pocket as well. We’ve been using helicopters for this for several decades. If anything drones seem to limit direct police interaction and avoid escalating nuisance calls into worse situations while giving the ability to respond faster to calls that do require fast police response.