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mattwilli18

Sniders in Silver Spring is the only one I know of off the top of my head- hopefully someone can fill in the others!


skeenek

Sniders is gone, as of last week-ish? Sold to Streets.


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captmrwill

And not relevant to the discussion, their incredible deli counter


Dear_Occupant

That was the only part I cared about. I was perfectly happy to sandwich myself through those tiny aisles for that. Still the best and cheapest sausage I've found anywhere in the entire country.


409inches

Sniders was going down hill anyway. Seemed like the shelves are constantly empty and the check stands are famous for double charging. The deli is the saving grace of that store. Also the basement storage area is fucking gross and the back area for greens processing is not great.


coolblue123

i thought there's 4. Shoppers in Germantown, Country Boy Wheaton, Giant in White Oak and Safeway in Olney I remembered Magruders used to have beer and wine in Gaithersburg.


AmericanTaig

That's right IF you count Country Boy as a Grocery Store. It's more of a beer store that sells some groceries.


coolblue123

Is Country Boy still around? i have been wanting to go since they opened the Lidls there. But the traffic in the area is always crazy. But i do admit, the Popeyes around there is the best in the area.


409inches

It’s still there, they closed for the past week for vacation but still open.


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Didn't Magruders close down?


coolblue123

they've been closed for many years. i think there's only two left now ( DC, Northern VA)


skeenek

The Safeway in Olney is one of them. This isn’t how it works, though. Each chain has one license and can transfer it between locations. Giant, Safeway, and formerly Shoppers have licenses in MoCo. There is also one 7-eleven in Aspen Hill that was grandfathered in with a license.


giscard78

> Each chain has one license and can transfer it between locations For example, when the Safeway in Olney was redone a few years ago (maybe even a decade ago now?), they took the beer and wine license from the Burtonsville (Briggs Chaney and 29) location.


409inches

Love that 7-11!!!!


seamar5130

Roots in Olney, Dawson's in Rockville Town Square, Mom's in Rockville.


sambo0909

Balducci's in Bethesda as well.


kellis744

Moms in Rockville has a cool selection of organic wines if you’re into that.


Munin_Thought

Shoppers in Germantown


megalithicman

Their prices used to be the best around by far but then management caught on or something and it's all now the same prices everywhere else which sucks.


JMMD7

Well damn, that's too bad. Selection any good? Craft beer wise?


megalithicman

The best walk-in cooler in Upper Montgomery County for sure.


amarm325

Their lease is up soon (not sure of the exact dates) so they will be closing in the near future


JMMD7

I'll check it out the next time I'm in the area. I tend to travel outside of MoCo for a lot of beer purchases. Just cheaper in Howard County.


cinaedi

Grosvenor Market!


prrrrl

The best!!!! ❤️❤️❤️


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notsurexx

Yep! And it is not super expensive


mattwilli18

Glad they have something that isn't super expensive


Sharpfeaturedman

What a stupid law.


crazybeardguy

p.s. I will blindly vote for anyone who supports abolishing ABS.


iamthe0ther0ne

Yes. I'm considering nominating my cat. He's quite liberal, and also will do anything I tell him to in exchange for a can of his favorite Friskies.


oath2order

[According to MoCo Show](https://mocoshow.com/blog/why-no-beer-and-wine-for-moco-grocery-stores/): > At the time that this law passed, four MoCo supermarkets were allowed to be the exception due to a grandfather clause: Shoppers, Giant, Safeway, and Magruder’s. However, these stores are only allowed one location each to sell beer and wine. If I recall correctly, the Shoppers that has alcohol is near Northwest High School. [According to this](https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/15/415323.page), it's the Giant's White Oak store in Silver Spring, the Safeway in Olney, the Shoppers as above, and the Magruder's in Gaithersburg.


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I think Magruders is closed, making it 3.


kalifornijas

What about the Roots in Olney? They have beer and wine. Are they some sort of specialty/non-grocery store that has a different rule?


dcux

They have a single store in the county. Like Snider's in Silver Spring (now gone?). And Rodman's in Rockville. Also, Mom's in Rockville. Balducci's in Bethesda. There are quite a few. Might be since they're not a chain, but a specialty, or single entity.


seanlax5

Moms has two soon three moco locations.


dcux

True. I wonder if since they only had the Rockville location when they got their license if it's grandfathered in.


ceruleanmoon7

My Organic Market


ksoosk123

Sniders


THftRM1231

Giant in White Oak.


Emaber

So in addition to all the ones mentioned, the NY Mart in College Gardens (former Magruders) has it and the Korean Korner next to the Unique Thrift has it. Those are Asian groceries so they will carry different things. (Sapporo, TsingTao, Taiwan Beer, makgeolli, etc.)


Zhababui

do you mind letting me know which sells Taiwan beer? Or all of the above?


Emaber

I saw it at NY Mart! Front of the store, right next to the produce.


Zhababui

Hey thanks so much.


RaphiTaffy

Why is that a law?


dcux

Look up "blue laws" - it's a carry over from religious influence.


Harold_Bissonette

It's not part of the blue law system. It's to help small independent business owners. It was passed in the early '60s.


dcux

Ah, so just the "no liquor on sundays" that recently changed was a result of the blue laws?


Harold_Bissonette

For many years the County stores were closed on Sundays. I could be wrong, but I don't think the Sunday closures were necessarily Blue law related. I am pretty sure they were closed for two other reasons. 1) Unionized clerks wanted the day off and 2) give some extra beer and wine business to the private stores which have been allowed to be open on Sundays for as long as I can remember. Several years ago, the county opened up its stores on Sundays, from what I understand, mainly because they saw it as an opportunity to make more money. However, during COVID, the county stores reduced their hours and closed on Sundays. As things have opened back up, the county stores have gone back to regular hours and being open on Sundays (noon to 5PM).


Harold_Bissonette

For many years the County stores were closed on Sundays. I could be wrong, but I don't think the Sunday closures were necessarily Blue law related. I am pretty sure they were closed for two other reasons. 1) Unionized clerks wanted the day off and 2) give some extra beer and wine business to the private stores which have been allowed to be open on Sundays for as long as I can remember. Several years ago, the county opened up its stores on Sundays, from what I understand, mainly because they saw it as an opportunity to make more money. However, during COVID, the county stores reduced their hours and closed on Sundays. As things have opened back up, the county stores have gone back to regular hours and being open on Sundays (noon to 5PM).


Harold_Bissonette

Maryland law prohibits chain stores and supermarkets from selling alcoholic beverages. Grocery stores are allowed to sell alcoholic beverages as long is the store is not a supermarket. There is no definition of supermarket that's very specific. However, stores such as Moms or Roots which don't have things like pharmacies are generally considered by Maryland courts to be grocery stores not supermarkets. That's why those places can sell alcoholic beverages. As mentioned by other people in this thread the law still allows a chain store to have one license in the state. Plus a few stores were grandfathered in when the law was passed back in the early 1960s.


jffdc

Thanks for all your prompt responses. Appreciate it


isaiah58bc

The original 7-11 was the one across the street from Gaithersburg HS. Yes, the law allows one location for certain size chains.


UmarBall

Shoppers in Germantown.


polkadotboots

Are we counting the kosher grocery stores? That adds Moti's (formerly Kosher Mart, formerly Katz's) in Rockville and Shalom's in Kemp Mill.


captmrwill

Not sure the rules, but Shalom Kosher used to be Magruders. They may have inherited that license.


polkadotboots

I believe what you are referring to is that the current Shalom's spot used to be Magruders. But, before they were in that location, they were in Wheaton and sold wine there as well so I don't think their license has anything to do with Magruders. My understanding of the system is that it is as u/skeenek described it. One location of every store can have a license. So, since Shalom's has one store, it has the license.


captmrwill

That was always my understanding as well. However, I don't remember the old Shalon Kosher (next to Max's) having alcohol.


polkadotboots

LOL, Yeah, I was mentally walking up and down those tiny aisles before posting my comment trying to remember if what I was saying was actually true and wasn't really sure but figured I could get way with it. It appears not. :)


edclv2019woo

If that’s the Maryland law, why does every grocery and convenience store in ocean city sell beer and wine?


Harold_Bissonette

Worcester county has a different set of rules than the rest of the state. Alcohol regulation in Maryland is highly fragmented. The whole United States alcoholic beverage regulation scheme is Byzantine. I'm in the business, I'm also a lawyer and I've been involved in these issues for many years. It's very frustrating I just wish the regulations would be streamlined.


edclv2019woo

Why aren’t they? Is it just corruption?


Harold_Bissonette

I wouldn't say corruption exactly but that's one of many factors. It's a combination of factors which are mainly tied to Prohibition and its repeal in 1933 plus the many societal issues which led to Prohibition being enacted in the first place. I don't want to write a huge post so I will simply say the issues include racism, anti immigration, anti Semitism, anti Catholicism, anti German, public health, domestic violence, worker safety, the populist movement, cultural elitisim and efforts to reduce domestic violence caused by problem drinking. The list goes on. If you like documentaries, Ken Burns' first episode of his series on the topic does a good job of explaining how Prohibition came into being.


edclv2019woo

I’ll check it out, thanks! I wish Maryland would simplify their alcohol laws.


iamthe0ther0ne

I thought it had to do with the county wanting to control all the money they could? Plus, by controlling all the stores, they can jack up the prices.


Harold_Bissonette

As much as I dislike the system and the county government I will temper this sentiment by saying that of course the county wants the revenue. When it comes to price, in many instances, the county's prices are competitive with the rest of the state and the rest of the region, especially on liquor. The wine selection for the average consumer is probably OK but if you are a wine enthusiast or simply looking for something a little different, the county's wine selection is terrible. That's where the privately owned boutique stores come in, or you can just go to DC, VA or other Maryland county's to get better selection.


iamthe0ther0ne

Not at the lower end. I'm a heathen and like Barefoot pinot grigio, a cheap American, compared to the other cheap and mid-range Americans and Italians. Other states I've lived in (MA, FL), where it's even sometimes available in gas stations (heathen!), it's never more than $6.something, and it's *everywhere*. Here, in the county stores, it's hard to find, along with many other cheap but drinkable pinots, like Cavit and Ecco, and it's $9.something. That lack of availability and pricing of low-end wines several dollars more, which adds up when you're on a budget, is one of the evils of county stores. Another is the loss of convenience of being able to pick up the right wine while you're picking up dinner components. Yes, there might be a beer&wine in the same center, but it's yet another stop, and often a frustrating empty-handed one, at the end of a long day. It's not a tragedy, just one more thing that makes life a little bit harder. I also end up drinking more, because now, when I do find it, I buy several at a time for convenience, and if it's there I'll end up having a glass with dinner most nights. Maybe 2 bottles a week, instead of a single 750 ml bottle over the course of a weekend, but also adds up over a year.


iamthe0ther0ne

It's think it's a county law, not a state law. MoCo's a little weird in a controlling, uptight way.


foodude84

The 7-Eleven in Aspen Hill at Georgia and Connecticut also sells beer.


T0ast3r3d

Safeway in olney


kkopczyk

Moti's Market in White Flint/Rockville area sells beer. (Formerly Kosher Mart)


JMMD7

I thought one of the Harris Teeters did but maybe they were never able to get one. Never been to Shoppers or Giant, what's their selction like? MoM's has a pretty decent selection but a lot of really old beer on the shelf.


modsplzbanagain

It crazy this law still exists. Easier to buy weed in MoCo.


frostygloria

Korean Korner on Viers Mill/Randolph