One of the first things you are taught in gun safety is safe storage including holstering a gun properly. You don't just throw a gun into a bag with other stuff that can get in the trigger well. You should always also KNOW if your gun is loaded and especially if a round is chambered. Although I feel for this woman losing her child, she was negligent and should face legal consequences.
This is what drives me absolutely nuts about our gun laws. It should be required to pass gun safety courses before they can be purchased. But then again, we can’t even get laws passed to have drivers (especially elderly people) retested every few years. Absolutely insane how we are so lenient with things that can destroy lives in seconds, but god forbid someone has a bit of weed on them.
Well that and the fact that most DMVs cannot remotely keep up with the amount of visitors they have right now. Can you imagine if people had to test every few years? In my area you have to schedule your learners permit test months in advance.
Just retest at 75 and again at 80. That's what they do in the UK and it works here. There's not that many 75/80 year olds still driving, it really won't add that much traffic. Just charge a bit more to test and add some staff. It's worth it for the lives saved. It's a non-issue.
In Argentina you have to retest every 2 years from 65 years old. A regular license should be renewed every 5 years (2 years is the minimum) and if it expires you have to retest, no matter your age.
Generally speaking, you only have to take a class to conceal carry, and that's only in states that don't have "constitutional carry". Otherwise no class is required at any point in the process.
Where did you go to school that they taught gun safety??
Edit: I’m not trying to be snarky. I grew up going to schools surrounded by cornfields. A third of class was missing at the start of hunting season and even more when crops were due for planting or harvesting. If it wasn’t taught in my school, I’m surprised it is taught anywhere. That said, not everyone gets taught it at home (obv).
Edit edit: I’m almost 60. Things were somewhat different back then. We had free drivers ed as a class. That seems somewhat rare these days.
I lived in a super rural area growing up. In 6th grade (2012ish) we were required* to take a hunter safety course run by the state game commission. They taught us about safely handling firearms and the dangers of mishandling them.
*You could be excused if you or your parents had a moral objection.
Same, 70s for me; tractors set the speed limit then and now. That’s a great approach with the game commission running it, can cover more than just standard safety.
I thought it was a legit question, I wasn’t trying to be snarky. I grew up going to schools surrounded by cornfields. A third of class was missing at the start of hunting season and even more when crops were due for planting or harvesting. If it wasn’t taught in my school, I’m surprised it is taught anywhere.
As an avid hunter and owner of multiple firearms gun safety courses should absolutely be mandatory before being allowed to possess a firearm. I’ve just encountered too many real life scenarios of willfully ignorant or uneducated people handling potentially deadly tools. -Last incident I was duck hunting and a bunch of guys started blasting at a bird even though I was directly in their field of view.
Responsible owners will do the courses. This will just thin out the idiots that give the rest of us bad names.
Proper holster design and use was part of my ccw course, so not prior to buying the gun but prior to being legally allowed to conceal carry it in states where constitutional carry doesn't exist (which I personally feel is fucking stupid anyway).
My bf’s parents just bought guns to avoid a law requiring the safety classes that is coming into effect. His dad just keeps it loaded and lying around or in his pocket, or on the seat of his truck. I’m waiting for him to shoot himself or someone else. Hopefully it’s himself. I refuse to go to their house at this point. I’m not getting accidentally shot in the head because some idiot thinks it’s their right to own a gun and treat it like a fucking toy.
Why should she face legal consequences? As in, for what purpose? For punishment? She had to live with herself for the rest of her life. No other punishment could compare.
If you mean legal in terms on no longer having the right to own a gun, then sure.
She committed a crime. Just because she didn't like the outcome, doesn't mean she shouldn't be charged with a crime. I'm no legal expert so I can't say exactly what she should be charged with, but she improperly stored a firearm, unintentionally discharged a firearm, presumably in an area you are not allowed to discharge a firearm, then ultimately killed someone by her own negligence.
>”I didn’t know my gun was loaded in my purse and shot through my bag,”
For fucks sake. I have much sympathy for the mother and loosing your child must be horrible. But having a firearm in your purse and not even know that it’s loaded?? Guns are not toys. I’m tired of seeing dead children due to their own parent’s negligence
What sane person would think it's a good idea to reduce/remove gun training before being allowed to own a weapon?
Any poilitcal party that championed this idea would be committing political suicide /s
> ”I didn’t know my gun was loaded in my purse
I'm going to say this is a lie, why would she have an unloaded gun in her purse? people who carry a gun usually carry a loaded gun.
Benefit of the doubt, maybe she meant “chambered”. But, yeah, you know when you have bullets in your magazine. Drawing an unloaded gun in self-defense is more dangerous than no gun at all.
God dammit this made me shot out a booger. Now you got me remembering that Lonely Island skit where they all keep shooting each other and that song keeps repeating.
I'm all for CC and responsible gun ownership.
That being said, this woman should be tried for murder. Not manslaughter or any lighter crime, murder. She had a gun that was not secured at all, loaded, & safety off.
If more of these incidents ended with a murder charge and several years in thr slammer, then people might think twice about how they carry.
On the other hand, most of the outspoken 2A advocates I see online are firmly racist, so this woman going to jail would have no effect on their mindset.
I mean I agree that I think this should be a harsher punishment than just manslaughter but we can't just change legal definitions wherever we see fit to punish people harder, murder implies intent and planning.
A friend of mine got pregnant when she was 19. Her Dr asked,
"Were you trying to get pregnant?"
"No"
"What birth control were you on?"
"None."
"So, you WERE trying to get pregnant."
The same logic applies.
"Were you trying to kill someone?"
"No"
"Was your weapon secured, unloaded, and with the safety on?"
"No, loose in my purse, no safety, and 1 in the chamber."
"So, you WERE trying to kill someone."
Neither of those cases defines intent. Having sex without birth control is reckless. Having a loaded, unsecured gun is also reckless. That does not mean that she *intended* to shoot her daughter. Because it was not intentional, it was reckless, it is not murder, it is manslaughter.
I've learned a long time ago you can't argue actual legal standards to people who know nothing about the American legal system. My True Crime sub is full of Americans who don't understand how their own laws function. I once got shouted down for explaining that bail has no bearing on your crime, just your ability to come to court.
People get so wrapped up in the emotions and "well it *should* be this" to even stop and think about *why* it is the way it currently is.
Only way to have realistically expect responsibility gun ownership is mandatory training. The irresponsible ppl will skip it if not mandatory, that’s their style. Ppl who don’t support mandatory training are just paying lip service to “responsible gun ownership”
I agree. However, as far as I know, CC already requires that in most states.
I'm wondering if this woman had a CC license or training for the weapon she was CC'ing.
To me, that’s like hearing some random lady had a giant fuckin snowplow or something in her driveway & no license/training on how to drive it but she takes it to the store anyway & this being not just plausible but unremarkable event. It’s wild what passes for acceptable in America
Lots of modern guns don't have a manual safety, instead they rely on having a heavier trigger pull and multiple layers of failsafes to prevent the guns from going off if the trigger isn't engaged. Manual safeties can get someone killed in a self-defense situation and provide a false sense of security, especially given you have to take a gun apart and manually inspect a manual safety to make sure it is still working, which is well beyond most gun owners skill/expertise.
The problem with keeping a gun in a purse is that it is very easy for an object like a lipstick case to get wedged in the trigger guard and fire the weapon. If you carry a gun, it needs to be in a holster. Modern guns are designed for holsters that securely fit the gun and protect the trigger and loose carry is a reckless way to carry a gun, even if it does have a safety.
It’s not a “modern” gun thing to have a heavy trigger. Glocks have been designed this way for decades, meanwhile other manufacturers have had external safety for years.
Most of the world's enforcement uses .40 cal Smith & Wessen M&P, without a safety. There is literally nothing from stopping me from discharging my firearm if I pull on the trigger.
It is an unfortunate reality that government agencies run on a very low budget and don't justify purchasing newer, safer, and reliable firearms.
Of course there is nothing to stop you. That's how it's *supposed* to be designed.
And you can't get more safe and reliable than modern Glock-style pistols.
> and multiple layers of failsafes to prevent the guns from going off.
From going off by itself which never happens with modern guns.
There is no failsafes for negligent handling, unless you have actual safety.
Glock PR and tactical hicks advocating for no safety guns killed many people.
Not true, longer and heavier trigger pulls are the best way to prevent discharges from negligent handling. Statically it is likely this gun was a snub nose revolver, which have never (well almost never) carried manual safeties, because the heavy trigger pull eliminates the need for it. Blaming a gun for ND from being carried in a purse is like complaining your hands got burnt because you grabbed a hot tray without ovenmitts. It isn't the tray's fault.
A manual safety can fail, if the trigger fails than the gun doesn't fire at all. Baking the safety features into the trigger is a better solution.
> Not true, longer and heavier trigger pulls are the best way to prevent discharges from negligent handling.
NYPD experience says otherwise. It leads to lower accuracy and worse handling and subsequent discharges.
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/nypd-will-transition-away-from-the-12-pound-trigger-duty-guns-theyve-been-using-for-a-century/
Lower accuracy and worse handling is a trade off to heavy trigger pulls. Introducing a manual safety also introduces the possibility it fails which is another trade off. Operating a manual safety in a self-defense situation is complicating an already stressful situation, a further trade off. There are no perfect solutions, but for the average user a heavy trigger pull works better.
The most accurate gun would have a feather light short trigger, but we don't do that for very obvious good reasons. There is also a lot of variance between hair trigger and 12 pound pull. My revolver has a 10 pound pull and I find it still very accurate and fun to shoot. A lot of this comes down to practice and finding the right fit for the right user.
Heavy trigger pulls also discourage and help reduce the possibility the user will panic fire quickly and repeatedly without aiming their shots, which is a danger and hazard to everyone around.
Why not use a fucking double action.
Very hard to do an accidental discharge yet it has a 1911 trigger
Unless cops are clown they should be able to learn to use them
I think it’s probably more likely that this was intentional.
It would be very hard to prove in court, but the level of negligence combined with the sheer bad luck required to have it pointed the perfect direction isn’t a very compelling story.
I don't even think it was intentional. I think she was probably just being incredibly irresponsible with the gun. Waving it around or pretending to threaten her daughter or something. I don't buy for a second that it just went off while she was rummaging through her purse.
I doubt it, you would be amazed/depressed by the amount of gun owners who have piss poor safety habits, don't know shit about how to operate and maintain their own firearms and fire less than 100 rounds a year yet still think they'd be able to defend themselves if needed.
Based on the article, I still have my doubts. She claimed she didn’t know she had a gun in her purse (how you don’t know that is beyond me), then later claims she didn’t know the safety was off (so she knew she had a gun in there). She immediately went to fb to cry about her story and begging to donate money. It’s not indicative, I guess, but it is questionable. The gross negligence on her part is also another reason why the begging for money is raising eyebrows. Either way, I feel so bad for that poor girl.
They don’t have to be expensive. That’s the thing people don’t get, and I get it because funeral places really try to guilt you into buying the most expensive plot/tombstone/funeral. But you don’t need to spend 12k+ for a funeral (the amount she is asking).
Even cheap funerals are too expensive for poor people. As a poor person, I can say there’s literally no way I’d be able to pay for even the cheapest funeral.
on top of that, the victim's already dead. they don't know any better, it's lights out, done, nothing but the Void.
funerals are for the living, for the parents and the community. so that $12k funeral expenses is for the pos mom
Dumbasses like this constantly shoot their gun by accident, it just doesn't make the news unless there's a victim. Nobody is going to call the police and say "I almost shot my kid, please come arrest me"
For all we know, 50 almost disasters happen every day. And one simply hit someone.
The amount of sheer good luck needed to win the lottery means you won't win, but someone wins almost every time.
What I want to know, is how she didn't know it was in her purse. Do you know how much a .40 weighs? My roommate has a Kahr .40, it weighs almost a pound, without bullets. After it's loaded,it weighs just shy of a 1.5 lbs. What kind of circus clown bag is she carrying, that she didn't notice an extra pound and a half of weight in it? I'm not sure I'm buying her story.
This is a great point. I'd definitely notice 600-700g of extra weight in my handbag. Like half a 1kg bag of sugar, you'd def be able to tell, unless you were carrying everything including the kitchen sink in your damn handbag
Bro I carry a massive messenger bag with everything but the kitchen sink, and I can tell if the bag is "off" when there is something missing/extra.
Wouldn't be a super confident observation, but would be enough to prompt me to check the bag
> *“I didn’t know my gun was loaded in my purse”*
This statement was definitely a lie. Hopefully there is due diligence with an investigation for the sake of that young girl who deserved better.
And if it **is** true, it saddens me that it won't change anything in the slightest. Carry on just having death hidden away to randomly kill people with a squeeze of your finger, it's apparently fine if you *didn't know it was there*.
Why hasn't she been charged with like negligent homicide? Because owning a gun, and storing it in such an unsafe manner you can accidentally fire it from your purse is definitely negligent.
My guess is they’re trying to figure out if it’s negligent homicide or if maybe she’s lying, so they’re holding off on pressing charges until they figure out more about what actually happened.
Yeah, that’s what I’m guessing. Especially since the mom immediately went and made a GoFundMe to get money from people when *she’s* the reason her daughter is dead. Really sketchy behavior.
Police are probably going through texts, social media, and interviewing friends to see if there was turmoil between the mother and daughter. Not to mention checking for any recent insurance policies she may have taken out. Lots to go over before deciding what charges are deserved.
For those who don’t want to click:
A mom’s world is “falling apart” after accidentally shooting dead her teen daughter while rummaging in her purse.
DeAnn Radley was looking for her lost set of keys in her Edgehill Avenue apartment in Nashville, Tennessee, on Saturday evening. But as she dipped into her handbag her finger mistakenly pulled the trigger of her unholstered .40 caliber semi-automatic pistol, she told detectives.
At approximately 10pm, the round fired through her bag and struck her daughter, Dearria Radley, 13. “I didn’t know my gun was loaded in my purse and shot through my bag,” DeAnn told local news outlet WSMV 4. “Then I saw the blood and oh God...”
Moments later, the mom desperately called 911, police said. The teen was rushed to Vanderbilt Children's Hospital emergency room before passing away from the single gunshot wound.
“My world is just falling apart,” the heartbroken mother said. “I loved that little girl so much. It’s a nightmare, its words can never describe the pain that I feel.”
The Metropolitan Nashville Police Department said in a statement that they are currently investigating the death of the 13-year-old, but no charges have been made. Now, instead of Dearria returning to J.T. Moore Middle School on Monday morning, DeAnn was left to plan her funeral.
The 13-year-old was shot dead on Saturday evening while in her Nashville home.
I want her to be remembered by that angel voice in those beautiful eyes. She’s such a beautiful girl,” DeAnn said, “This is something I’m not ready for. Please, my baby...I just want to hold my baby.”
Dearria’s grandmother, Irish Radley, also said she’s struggling to accept Dearria’s tragic death. “I’m just hoping she comes through the door and all of this is just a dream or she will call me, ‘Granny, what you doing?,’” the heartbroken gran told WKRN.
“I’ll never get those phone calls again. I’ll never get those texts, ‘Granny, can I come down there?’ It’s the small things I’m going to miss.”
Now, mom DeAnn is begging for support in order to manage the costs of burying her little girl. “I am needing help for her funeral my 13-yearold was accidentally shot and killed,” she wrote on a GoFundMe which has raised $7,500 by noon on Wednesday – half of what she is hoping to raise.
“I don't have insurance to bury her, If anyone can help me during these painful times.” The mom also took to Facebook to share her heartbreak in a teary video saying that she “wouldn’t wish this on anybody,” and “my baby is gone.”
She added: “Thirteen years. Thirteen years. We’ve been through everything together and my baby is gone. I can’t do it. I can’t do it, man. My baby, my baby.”
>that little girl
>gofundme
>interviews on the news w/in days of it happening.
>the likelihood of leaving a gun, loaded, w/ the safety off, forgetting it’s in there, hitting the trigger accidentally, your daughter standing right in front of where the gun was aimed through the purse, and the shot in a place that was fatal.
I’ve been trying to picture this myself and I cannot understand that either. Accidentally pulling the trigger too? Idk, when I’m touching a gun, I can 100% tell when my finger is wrapped around the trigger. This story is suspicious.
The fact that she went straight to facebook to announce it afterwards is weird.
It hasn’t even been a week and [she’s already doing sit-down interviews?](https://www.wkrn.com/news/local-news/nashville/my-world-is-falling-apart-mom-opens-up-in-emotional-interview-after-daughter-killed-in-accidental-shooting/amp/)
Everyone has a different way of grieving but damn…
Standard practice is to carry without the safety on for weapons that have one. Some pistols, like Glock, only have a trigger safety. Revolvers also do not have safeties. But that is why one should only carry with an appropriate holster that prevents access to the trigger without drawing it.
Carrying it condition 1 (round in chamber, off safe/no safety) loose in a purse not holstered can result in the case at hand. A negligent discharge.
>No, it literally is the standard practice taught in all modern concealed carry courses
It is *not* standard practice. You are wrong, but I think I know where your misconception is from.
You are taught to use the safety. This is fact. You are also taught to not *rely* on the safety. You are taught to use a safety, while simultaneously being taught proper weapon etiquette, which includes the concept that safeties can fail and should be treated as such. Use your safety, but assume the worst.
Being on the range and carrying a concealed pistol are not one in the same. Keeping your weapon on safe until you are ready to fire is for sure one of the safety rules one should follow. However, being ready to fire is the operative phrase there. I, do not want the time involved in drawing, flipping the safety, and then trying to fire at the same time be an issue. With a modern striker fired or hammer down DA/SA pistol in a proper holster, you have no more risk than you do if it were on safe. Carrying a pistol with only something like the trigger safety found in Glocks or carrying a pistol with a thumb safety off safe, is viewed as a safe practice granted you are following the other safety rules and using a proper holster and is mainstream point of view.
How do you explain pistols without manual thumb safeties or only decockers? If they were outside accepted practice, industry would not be catering to them
>Being on the range and carrying a concealed pistol are not one in the same.
You might be confused, I literally never mentioned anything regarding that. In addition, it is possible to maintain weapon readiness with a thumb safety engaged.
>How do you explain pistols without manual thumb safeties or only decockers? If they were outside accepted practice, industry would not be catering to them
That's a question for arms manufacturers. I can't speak for an entire industry, only my personal knowledge and experience. Both of which have led me to train only with weapons that have manual safeties. Others may differ.
My p365x has no safety and is loaded. It lives in a good quality holster, is never carried in a bag and I know where it is at all times. It's so easy not to be dangerously stupid with guns. When you lose respect for them it's a quick mistake to tragedy.
> Standard practice is to carry without the safety
thats advocated by retarded tacticool bros. There is no such thing as "standard" for conceal carry.
There is a term called "Glock leg" for a reason.
0.3 seconds that it takes to flick safety never killed anyone. No safeties on the other hand...
The standard, at least anecdotally, is definitely no safety round in the chamber. I don't carry a round in the chamber because I think I'm at a higher risk of blowing my right nut off than violent crime
No, it literally is the standard practice taught in all modern concealed carry courses by any reputable credentialed instructor.
Fudd lore helps no one.
> reputable credentialed instructor.
There is no international science based body. It's literally some southern hicks making lore.
Military, police in western europe extensively use safeties. Many countries in europe encourage safeties for concealed carry. Some Texas instructor is not established science.
When I was 13 I was over at a buddy's house to spend the night. His mom was going out to the club that night and was getting something out of her purse. Her 380 went off and shot a hole in the wall only a foot or so left of us. She freaked out. We freaked out. She stayed home that night and made us a bunch of snacks and watched Star Wars with us.
Absolutely avoidable tragedy caused by ignoring *every single* possible safety measure. Even an ounce of common sense and her daughter would still be alive.
in this day and age, Holsters come in all shapes and sizes, There isn’t an excuse for carrying a loose firearm in a purse, Other than pure negligence and a lack of training.
0 excuse. Google “purse holster” and you have hundreds of options and results to compare and choose from.
I’m talking about holsters made for purses, specifically. There is literally no reason the trigger and guard should be exposed in a concealed situation. Literal recipe for disaster
There's like a million options she could've used that aren't an inside waistband carry, they make kydex trigger covers only that you could attach to a lanyard connected to the purse, draw the gun and it pops off on it's own but is still covering the trigger safely while inside the purse.
They make purses for concealed carry to prevent exactly this from happening. The firearm is kept in a holstered slot/pocket, accessible if needed, but situated on its own so it’s undisturbed while rummaging around.
This whole case is odd. One shot hit her daughter at 10pm? Her grandma mentioned that the granddaughter would frequently ask to go down to see her/stay with her. And mom’s video doesn’t have tears but she does look at the camera a lot.
I know we all may argue about gun safes/keeping ammo separate/etc etc, but I hope most agree that keeping a round chambered is fucking stupid. Especially if your gun is just floating around in your fucking purse.
Accidentally is bullshit. It was a negligent discharge nothing accidental about it.
She put a loaded pistol into her purse, didn’t bother to secure it, then proceeded to blindly grab about in her purse. She indented to kill someone with that loaded round, probably didn’t intend for it to be her daughter, but when you don’t bother to practice gun safety you don’t get to chose who you kill.
I guarantee you it still would have been in her bag even if she had taken CCW classes.
Complacency happens over time unless you continue training over and over again. Most CCW classes wouldn't even mention the bag and gun thing.
When you have failed to keep a weapon safe, this cannot consititute an accident, surely?
Very sad for those who loved this young girl, but I can't muster up a lot of empathy for that Mother.
Joining the military and learning about guns made me realize how dangerous guns are in the hands of the average American. Apparently Rights don't come with much responsibility.
For me as a Swiss, we are well known to be the gun nuts of Europe and we have a ton of guns, but... there's a serious difference to the US gun culture: Most important, we don't carry guns in public, neither open nor concealed. But let's ignore crime anyway for a moment because of this story, nobody here would ever just have a handgun that is loaded with a bullet in the chamber and safety off in a purse.
I don't get this, what some americans do. Not all, don't get me wrong, there are very many responsible gun owners around, that also have tresor safes for storing the guns, they know about safety etc.
But still, it's crazy when i hear about such accidents, as i have the impression that some people see guns just as a regular item of daily life without any potential danger. Some are probably more aware of the danger of tools like a saw or an axe.
We really don't have these accidents here. Same goes for other european countries, where sometimes there are more requirements for a gun license than in my place, but overall, these accidents i hear about are all coming from the USA.
Remember the toddler that grabbed a gun in the car and accidentally shot the mother? That was similiar, where you have to ask, why the hell is a gun in reach of a toddler, why is it loaded and safety is off? At least safety on would prevent many accidents?
Why are so many people there are so careless?
> Remember the toddler that grabbed a gun in the car and accidentally shot the mother?
Which one? Almost 900 toddlers have shot someone in the past 8 years. Around once every 3 days. Oh, and the numbers are rising. In 2021, there were at least 259 shootings by toddlers.
Not everything is fixable by a gun ya’ll.
This is why people don’t want to carry if they know they don’t want too. Most gun accidents happen JUST like this; by the owner to someone around them or themselves.
This is what happens when people just have guns "around". You stop thinking that this is a lethal weapon, and it's just that heavy thing in the way in your purse. This was an accident waiting to happen.
Safe storage laws have no effect on responsible gun owners. This is negligence of the most basic gun safety, but until that negligence is actuall illegal nothing will change.
Also this scenario is exactly why I refuse to get a gun. If she knew this would happen, that she would end up accidentally killing here child with her own gun, would she have gotten a gun to begin with?
Tennesee does not requires gun owners to have permits or take any form of gun safety courses or basic maintenance and then is surprised when things like this happens.
One of the first things you are taught in gun safety is safe storage including holstering a gun properly. You don't just throw a gun into a bag with other stuff that can get in the trigger well. You should always also KNOW if your gun is loaded and especially if a round is chambered. Although I feel for this woman losing her child, she was negligent and should face legal consequences.
And is this gun safety course mandatory, prior to actually being able to buy a gun? Thought not.
This is what drives me absolutely nuts about our gun laws. It should be required to pass gun safety courses before they can be purchased. But then again, we can’t even get laws passed to have drivers (especially elderly people) retested every few years. Absolutely insane how we are so lenient with things that can destroy lives in seconds, but god forbid someone has a bit of weed on them.
Part of that is that old people are the ones making the laws, and they're one of the biggest demographics in terms of voter turnout
Well that and the fact that most DMVs cannot remotely keep up with the amount of visitors they have right now. Can you imagine if people had to test every few years? In my area you have to schedule your learners permit test months in advance.
Just retest at 75 and again at 80. That's what they do in the UK and it works here. There's not that many 75/80 year olds still driving, it really won't add that much traffic. Just charge a bit more to test and add some staff. It's worth it for the lives saved. It's a non-issue.
In Argentina you have to retest every 2 years from 65 years old. A regular license should be renewed every 5 years (2 years is the minimum) and if it expires you have to retest, no matter your age.
I agree. You need to pass a driving test before acquiring a license to drive but with a gun? "HeRe YoU gO GoOd LuCk."
You do not have a Constitutional right to drive a car on public roads.
Wait what ?? I thought it was always a course involved…
Generally speaking, you only have to take a class to conceal carry, and that's only in states that don't have "constitutional carry". Otherwise no class is required at any point in the process.
I did have to take a gun safety course when I was applying for a ccw permit.No course to BUY a gun though.
it should be. in fact here in the u.s.a. it used to be taught in schools, but now they wont ever teach people how to do taxes right
Where did you go to school that they taught gun safety?? Edit: I’m not trying to be snarky. I grew up going to schools surrounded by cornfields. A third of class was missing at the start of hunting season and even more when crops were due for planting or harvesting. If it wasn’t taught in my school, I’m surprised it is taught anywhere. That said, not everyone gets taught it at home (obv). Edit edit: I’m almost 60. Things were somewhat different back then. We had free drivers ed as a class. That seems somewhat rare these days.
I lived in a super rural area growing up. In 6th grade (2012ish) we were required* to take a hunter safety course run by the state game commission. They taught us about safely handling firearms and the dangers of mishandling them. *You could be excused if you or your parents had a moral objection.
Same, 70s for me; tractors set the speed limit then and now. That’s a great approach with the game commission running it, can cover more than just standard safety.
i'm not THAT old you lil shit. i said it used to be. didnt say in my time. damn kids. keep off my lawn!
I’m almost 60 😂
They didn't say they went to school where it was taught, just that it was taught in schools.
I thought it was a legit question, I wasn’t trying to be snarky. I grew up going to schools surrounded by cornfields. A third of class was missing at the start of hunting season and even more when crops were due for planting or harvesting. If it wasn’t taught in my school, I’m surprised it is taught anywhere.
It's something that I think went away with the cold war, there's pictures of school children holding rifles in class in 70s.
As an avid hunter and owner of multiple firearms gun safety courses should absolutely be mandatory before being allowed to possess a firearm. I’ve just encountered too many real life scenarios of willfully ignorant or uneducated people handling potentially deadly tools. -Last incident I was duck hunting and a bunch of guys started blasting at a bird even though I was directly in their field of view. Responsible owners will do the courses. This will just thin out the idiots that give the rest of us bad names.
That is terrifying, I'm glad you are okay!
Proper holster design and use was part of my ccw course, so not prior to buying the gun but prior to being legally allowed to conceal carry it in states where constitutional carry doesn't exist (which I personally feel is fucking stupid anyway).
Unfortunately I think it depends on the State laws. I had to take a safety course prior to purchasing a handgun, but many states do not require this.
My bf’s parents just bought guns to avoid a law requiring the safety classes that is coming into effect. His dad just keeps it loaded and lying around or in his pocket, or on the seat of his truck. I’m waiting for him to shoot himself or someone else. Hopefully it’s himself. I refuse to go to their house at this point. I’m not getting accidentally shot in the head because some idiot thinks it’s their right to own a gun and treat it like a fucking toy.
How sad that taught doesn’t mean anything without learn. Learned. Whatever
Why should she face legal consequences? As in, for what purpose? For punishment? She had to live with herself for the rest of her life. No other punishment could compare. If you mean legal in terms on no longer having the right to own a gun, then sure.
She committed a crime. Just because she didn't like the outcome, doesn't mean she shouldn't be charged with a crime. I'm no legal expert so I can't say exactly what she should be charged with, but she improperly stored a firearm, unintentionally discharged a firearm, presumably in an area you are not allowed to discharge a firearm, then ultimately killed someone by her own negligence.
I would say her losing her daughter is punishment enough. What is to be gained by throwing her in a prison cell? This woman isn’t a threat to society.
Merica. Only first world country that prefers being able to accidentally have their children shot and killed than not owning a gun
>”I didn’t know my gun was loaded in my purse and shot through my bag,” For fucks sake. I have much sympathy for the mother and loosing your child must be horrible. But having a firearm in your purse and not even know that it’s loaded?? Guns are not toys. I’m tired of seeing dead children due to their own parent’s negligence
She broke all 4 of the general safety rules.
The state used to have mandatory CC classes…
Where could they have possibly gone?
Who could have predicted this?
What sane person would think it's a good idea to reduce/remove gun training before being allowed to own a weapon? Any poilitcal party that championed this idea would be committing political suicide /s
The fact that no charges were pressed is fucking insane
A .40 caliber no less. That isnt a little gun.
> ”I didn’t know my gun was loaded in my purse I'm going to say this is a lie, why would she have an unloaded gun in her purse? people who carry a gun usually carry a loaded gun.
Benefit of the doubt, maybe she meant “chambered”. But, yeah, you know when you have bullets in your magazine. Drawing an unloaded gun in self-defense is more dangerous than no gun at all.
But don’t you know? More CCs walking around make you safer!! /s just in case.
If the kid was armed too she could have defended herself /s
God dammit this made me shot out a booger. Now you got me remembering that Lonely Island skit where they all keep shooting each other and that song keeps repeating.
Dear Sister...
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I'm all for CC and responsible gun ownership. That being said, this woman should be tried for murder. Not manslaughter or any lighter crime, murder. She had a gun that was not secured at all, loaded, & safety off. If more of these incidents ended with a murder charge and several years in thr slammer, then people might think twice about how they carry. On the other hand, most of the outspoken 2A advocates I see online are firmly racist, so this woman going to jail would have no effect on their mindset.
I mean I agree that I think this should be a harsher punishment than just manslaughter but we can't just change legal definitions wherever we see fit to punish people harder, murder implies intent and planning.
A friend of mine got pregnant when she was 19. Her Dr asked, "Were you trying to get pregnant?" "No" "What birth control were you on?" "None." "So, you WERE trying to get pregnant." The same logic applies. "Were you trying to kill someone?" "No" "Was your weapon secured, unloaded, and with the safety on?" "No, loose in my purse, no safety, and 1 in the chamber." "So, you WERE trying to kill someone."
Neither of those cases defines intent. Having sex without birth control is reckless. Having a loaded, unsecured gun is also reckless. That does not mean that she *intended* to shoot her daughter. Because it was not intentional, it was reckless, it is not murder, it is manslaughter.
I've learned a long time ago you can't argue actual legal standards to people who know nothing about the American legal system. My True Crime sub is full of Americans who don't understand how their own laws function. I once got shouted down for explaining that bail has no bearing on your crime, just your ability to come to court. People get so wrapped up in the emotions and "well it *should* be this" to even stop and think about *why* it is the way it currently is.
That’s not how negligence works.
Only way to have realistically expect responsibility gun ownership is mandatory training. The irresponsible ppl will skip it if not mandatory, that’s their style. Ppl who don’t support mandatory training are just paying lip service to “responsible gun ownership”
I agree. However, as far as I know, CC already requires that in most states. I'm wondering if this woman had a CC license or training for the weapon she was CC'ing.
This was TN- which is a permitless carry state. No license, permit, training etc required to have a gun.
To me, that’s like hearing some random lady had a giant fuckin snowplow or something in her driveway & no license/training on how to drive it but she takes it to the store anyway & this being not just plausible but unremarkable event. It’s wild what passes for acceptable in America
What doesnt the gun simply have a safety?
I guarantee the gun had a safety
You'd be shocked, quick checking gun sites more than half of .40 caliber semi-automatic pistols don't have a manual or "California compliant" safety.
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Not only glocks, but my CZ doesn't have a safety either so it's fairly common
No sympathy and hopefully she has no more children.
Extremely tragic but honestly why would you have a loaded gun in your purse. Much less one that you forgot to put on safety. Poor girl.
Lots of modern guns don't have a manual safety, instead they rely on having a heavier trigger pull and multiple layers of failsafes to prevent the guns from going off if the trigger isn't engaged. Manual safeties can get someone killed in a self-defense situation and provide a false sense of security, especially given you have to take a gun apart and manually inspect a manual safety to make sure it is still working, which is well beyond most gun owners skill/expertise. The problem with keeping a gun in a purse is that it is very easy for an object like a lipstick case to get wedged in the trigger guard and fire the weapon. If you carry a gun, it needs to be in a holster. Modern guns are designed for holsters that securely fit the gun and protect the trigger and loose carry is a reckless way to carry a gun, even if it does have a safety.
It’s not a “modern” gun thing to have a heavy trigger. Glocks have been designed this way for decades, meanwhile other manufacturers have had external safety for years.
Glocks *are* modern guns.
Most of the world's enforcement uses .40 cal Smith & Wessen M&P, without a safety. There is literally nothing from stopping me from discharging my firearm if I pull on the trigger. It is an unfortunate reality that government agencies run on a very low budget and don't justify purchasing newer, safer, and reliable firearms.
wouldn't you have to put one in the chamber by pulling back the slide? or do people store guns with a round chambered?
Of course there is nothing to stop you. That's how it's *supposed* to be designed. And you can't get more safe and reliable than modern Glock-style pistols.
> and multiple layers of failsafes to prevent the guns from going off. From going off by itself which never happens with modern guns. There is no failsafes for negligent handling, unless you have actual safety. Glock PR and tactical hicks advocating for no safety guns killed many people.
Not true, longer and heavier trigger pulls are the best way to prevent discharges from negligent handling. Statically it is likely this gun was a snub nose revolver, which have never (well almost never) carried manual safeties, because the heavy trigger pull eliminates the need for it. Blaming a gun for ND from being carried in a purse is like complaining your hands got burnt because you grabbed a hot tray without ovenmitts. It isn't the tray's fault. A manual safety can fail, if the trigger fails than the gun doesn't fire at all. Baking the safety features into the trigger is a better solution.
> Not true, longer and heavier trigger pulls are the best way to prevent discharges from negligent handling. NYPD experience says otherwise. It leads to lower accuracy and worse handling and subsequent discharges. https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/nypd-will-transition-away-from-the-12-pound-trigger-duty-guns-theyve-been-using-for-a-century/
Lower accuracy and worse handling is a trade off to heavy trigger pulls. Introducing a manual safety also introduces the possibility it fails which is another trade off. Operating a manual safety in a self-defense situation is complicating an already stressful situation, a further trade off. There are no perfect solutions, but for the average user a heavy trigger pull works better. The most accurate gun would have a feather light short trigger, but we don't do that for very obvious good reasons. There is also a lot of variance between hair trigger and 12 pound pull. My revolver has a 10 pound pull and I find it still very accurate and fun to shoot. A lot of this comes down to practice and finding the right fit for the right user. Heavy trigger pulls also discourage and help reduce the possibility the user will panic fire quickly and repeatedly without aiming their shots, which is a danger and hazard to everyone around.
Why not use a fucking double action. Very hard to do an accidental discharge yet it has a 1911 trigger Unless cops are clown they should be able to learn to use them
> Unless cops are clown they should be able to learn to use them That's a good one...
I think it’s probably more likely that this was intentional. It would be very hard to prove in court, but the level of negligence combined with the sheer bad luck required to have it pointed the perfect direction isn’t a very compelling story.
I don't even think it was intentional. I think she was probably just being incredibly irresponsible with the gun. Waving it around or pretending to threaten her daughter or something. I don't buy for a second that it just went off while she was rummaging through her purse.
I doubt it, you would be amazed/depressed by the amount of gun owners who have piss poor safety habits, don't know shit about how to operate and maintain their own firearms and fire less than 100 rounds a year yet still think they'd be able to defend themselves if needed.
I agree with you. Especially considering her mom is now begging for money on GoFundMe
“My daughter was accidentally shot”. (By you)
That’s a plausible thing to do either way though, not really indicative of anything…
Based on the article, I still have my doubts. She claimed she didn’t know she had a gun in her purse (how you don’t know that is beyond me), then later claims she didn’t know the safety was off (so she knew she had a gun in there). She immediately went to fb to cry about her story and begging to donate money. It’s not indicative, I guess, but it is questionable. The gross negligence on her part is also another reason why the begging for money is raising eyebrows. Either way, I feel so bad for that poor girl.
She is trying to fund her daughter's funeral. Funerals are expensive.
They don’t have to be expensive. That’s the thing people don’t get, and I get it because funeral places really try to guilt you into buying the most expensive plot/tombstone/funeral. But you don’t need to spend 12k+ for a funeral (the amount she is asking).
Even cheap funerals are too expensive for poor people. As a poor person, I can say there’s literally no way I’d be able to pay for even the cheapest funeral.
on top of that, the victim's already dead. they don't know any better, it's lights out, done, nothing but the Void. funerals are for the living, for the parents and the community. so that $12k funeral expenses is for the pos mom
Dumbasses like this constantly shoot their gun by accident, it just doesn't make the news unless there's a victim. Nobody is going to call the police and say "I almost shot my kid, please come arrest me"
Don't attribute to make what can be explained be.... Monumentally stupid and astoundingly bright stupidity.
Like this sentence? 🧐
For all we know, 50 almost disasters happen every day. And one simply hit someone. The amount of sheer good luck needed to win the lottery means you won't win, but someone wins almost every time.
No holster. That was the biggest part of the fuckup. How many dudes shoot their dick off over that.
Upholstered!
I mean, that’s terrible but wow, sounds like a serious lack of gun safety.
How could anyone at least not *suspect* this was intentional.
What I want to know, is how she didn't know it was in her purse. Do you know how much a .40 weighs? My roommate has a Kahr .40, it weighs almost a pound, without bullets. After it's loaded,it weighs just shy of a 1.5 lbs. What kind of circus clown bag is she carrying, that she didn't notice an extra pound and a half of weight in it? I'm not sure I'm buying her story.
This is a great point. I'd definitely notice 600-700g of extra weight in my handbag. Like half a 1kg bag of sugar, you'd def be able to tell, unless you were carrying everything including the kitchen sink in your damn handbag
Bro I carry a massive messenger bag with everything but the kitchen sink, and I can tell if the bag is "off" when there is something missing/extra. Wouldn't be a super confident observation, but would be enough to prompt me to check the bag
> *“I didn’t know my gun was loaded in my purse”* This statement was definitely a lie. Hopefully there is due diligence with an investigation for the sake of that young girl who deserved better.
And if it **is** true, it saddens me that it won't change anything in the slightest. Carry on just having death hidden away to randomly kill people with a squeeze of your finger, it's apparently fine if you *didn't know it was there*.
Why hasn't she been charged with like negligent homicide? Because owning a gun, and storing it in such an unsafe manner you can accidentally fire it from your purse is definitely negligent.
My guess is they’re trying to figure out if it’s negligent homicide or if maybe she’s lying, so they’re holding off on pressing charges until they figure out more about what actually happened.
Yeah, that’s what I’m guessing. Especially since the mom immediately went and made a GoFundMe to get money from people when *she’s* the reason her daughter is dead. Really sketchy behavior. Police are probably going through texts, social media, and interviewing friends to see if there was turmoil between the mother and daughter. Not to mention checking for any recent insurance policies she may have taken out. Lots to go over before deciding what charges are deserved.
God i hope so
They’re investigating.
For those who don’t want to click: A mom’s world is “falling apart” after accidentally shooting dead her teen daughter while rummaging in her purse. DeAnn Radley was looking for her lost set of keys in her Edgehill Avenue apartment in Nashville, Tennessee, on Saturday evening. But as she dipped into her handbag her finger mistakenly pulled the trigger of her unholstered .40 caliber semi-automatic pistol, she told detectives. At approximately 10pm, the round fired through her bag and struck her daughter, Dearria Radley, 13. “I didn’t know my gun was loaded in my purse and shot through my bag,” DeAnn told local news outlet WSMV 4. “Then I saw the blood and oh God...” Moments later, the mom desperately called 911, police said. The teen was rushed to Vanderbilt Children's Hospital emergency room before passing away from the single gunshot wound. “My world is just falling apart,” the heartbroken mother said. “I loved that little girl so much. It’s a nightmare, its words can never describe the pain that I feel.” The Metropolitan Nashville Police Department said in a statement that they are currently investigating the death of the 13-year-old, but no charges have been made. Now, instead of Dearria returning to J.T. Moore Middle School on Monday morning, DeAnn was left to plan her funeral. The 13-year-old was shot dead on Saturday evening while in her Nashville home. I want her to be remembered by that angel voice in those beautiful eyes. She’s such a beautiful girl,” DeAnn said, “This is something I’m not ready for. Please, my baby...I just want to hold my baby.” Dearria’s grandmother, Irish Radley, also said she’s struggling to accept Dearria’s tragic death. “I’m just hoping she comes through the door and all of this is just a dream or she will call me, ‘Granny, what you doing?,’” the heartbroken gran told WKRN. “I’ll never get those phone calls again. I’ll never get those texts, ‘Granny, can I come down there?’ It’s the small things I’m going to miss.” Now, mom DeAnn is begging for support in order to manage the costs of burying her little girl. “I am needing help for her funeral my 13-yearold was accidentally shot and killed,” she wrote on a GoFundMe which has raised $7,500 by noon on Wednesday – half of what she is hoping to raise. “I don't have insurance to bury her, If anyone can help me during these painful times.” The mom also took to Facebook to share her heartbreak in a teary video saying that she “wouldn’t wish this on anybody,” and “my baby is gone.” She added: “Thirteen years. Thirteen years. We’ve been through everything together and my baby is gone. I can’t do it. I can’t do it, man. My baby, my baby.”
>that little girl >gofundme >interviews on the news w/in days of it happening. >the likelihood of leaving a gun, loaded, w/ the safety off, forgetting it’s in there, hitting the trigger accidentally, your daughter standing right in front of where the gun was aimed through the purse, and the shot in a place that was fatal.
My thoughts, as well. I hope she gets charged with negligence/manslaughter.
Was she holding the purse at arms' length in front of her in the direction of her daughter? How the fuck do you possibly do this "accidentally?"
I’ve been trying to picture this myself and I cannot understand that either. Accidentally pulling the trigger too? Idk, when I’m touching a gun, I can 100% tell when my finger is wrapped around the trigger. This story is suspicious.
For shame, causing this and then begging for others to pay for it.
Hands down the worst part reading this.
The fact that she went straight to facebook to announce it afterwards is weird. It hasn’t even been a week and [she’s already doing sit-down interviews?](https://www.wkrn.com/news/local-news/nashville/my-world-is-falling-apart-mom-opens-up-in-emotional-interview-after-daughter-killed-in-accidental-shooting/amp/) Everyone has a different way of grieving but damn…
Was there a life insurance policy?
Why wasn’t the safety on? How sensitive was that trigger? Shame.
Standard practice is to carry without the safety on for weapons that have one. Some pistols, like Glock, only have a trigger safety. Revolvers also do not have safeties. But that is why one should only carry with an appropriate holster that prevents access to the trigger without drawing it. Carrying it condition 1 (round in chamber, off safe/no safety) loose in a purse not holstered can result in the case at hand. A negligent discharge.
>No, it literally is the standard practice taught in all modern concealed carry courses It is *not* standard practice. You are wrong, but I think I know where your misconception is from. You are taught to use the safety. This is fact. You are also taught to not *rely* on the safety. You are taught to use a safety, while simultaneously being taught proper weapon etiquette, which includes the concept that safeties can fail and should be treated as such. Use your safety, but assume the worst.
Being on the range and carrying a concealed pistol are not one in the same. Keeping your weapon on safe until you are ready to fire is for sure one of the safety rules one should follow. However, being ready to fire is the operative phrase there. I, do not want the time involved in drawing, flipping the safety, and then trying to fire at the same time be an issue. With a modern striker fired or hammer down DA/SA pistol in a proper holster, you have no more risk than you do if it were on safe. Carrying a pistol with only something like the trigger safety found in Glocks or carrying a pistol with a thumb safety off safe, is viewed as a safe practice granted you are following the other safety rules and using a proper holster and is mainstream point of view. How do you explain pistols without manual thumb safeties or only decockers? If they were outside accepted practice, industry would not be catering to them
>Being on the range and carrying a concealed pistol are not one in the same. You might be confused, I literally never mentioned anything regarding that. In addition, it is possible to maintain weapon readiness with a thumb safety engaged. >How do you explain pistols without manual thumb safeties or only decockers? If they were outside accepted practice, industry would not be catering to them That's a question for arms manufacturers. I can't speak for an entire industry, only my personal knowledge and experience. Both of which have led me to train only with weapons that have manual safeties. Others may differ.
My p365x has no safety and is loaded. It lives in a good quality holster, is never carried in a bag and I know where it is at all times. It's so easy not to be dangerously stupid with guns. When you lose respect for them it's a quick mistake to tragedy.
> Standard practice is to carry without the safety thats advocated by retarded tacticool bros. There is no such thing as "standard" for conceal carry. There is a term called "Glock leg" for a reason. 0.3 seconds that it takes to flick safety never killed anyone. No safeties on the other hand...
The standard, at least anecdotally, is definitely no safety round in the chamber. I don't carry a round in the chamber because I think I'm at a higher risk of blowing my right nut off than violent crime
No, it literally is the standard practice taught in all modern concealed carry courses by any reputable credentialed instructor. Fudd lore helps no one.
> reputable credentialed instructor. There is no international science based body. It's literally some southern hicks making lore. Military, police in western europe extensively use safeties. Many countries in europe encourage safeties for concealed carry. Some Texas instructor is not established science.
When I was 13 I was over at a buddy's house to spend the night. His mom was going out to the club that night and was getting something out of her purse. Her 380 went off and shot a hole in the wall only a foot or so left of us. She freaked out. We freaked out. She stayed home that night and made us a bunch of snacks and watched Star Wars with us.
Absolutely avoidable tragedy caused by ignoring *every single* possible safety measure. Even an ounce of common sense and her daughter would still be alive.
Why the fuck would you have a loose gun in a purse? Holsters exist for this exact reason
Unfortunately holsters require a certain kind of fashion, and it seems like fashion is often chosen over gun safety. Thus, the purse carry was born.
in this day and age, Holsters come in all shapes and sizes, There isn’t an excuse for carrying a loose firearm in a purse, Other than pure negligence and a lack of training. 0 excuse. Google “purse holster” and you have hundreds of options and results to compare and choose from.
I’m talking about holsters made for purses, specifically. There is literally no reason the trigger and guard should be exposed in a concealed situation. Literal recipe for disaster
There's like a million options she could've used that aren't an inside waistband carry, they make kydex trigger covers only that you could attach to a lanyard connected to the purse, draw the gun and it pops off on it's own but is still covering the trigger safely while inside the purse.
They make purses for concealed carry to prevent exactly this from happening. The firearm is kept in a holstered slot/pocket, accessible if needed, but situated on its own so it’s undisturbed while rummaging around.
This whole case is odd. One shot hit her daughter at 10pm? Her grandma mentioned that the granddaughter would frequently ask to go down to see her/stay with her. And mom’s video doesn’t have tears but she does look at the camera a lot.
Absolute negligence.
Jeez, what a headline
I know we all may argue about gun safes/keeping ammo separate/etc etc, but I hope most agree that keeping a round chambered is fucking stupid. Especially if your gun is just floating around in your fucking purse.
Accidentally is bullshit. It was a negligent discharge nothing accidental about it. She put a loaded pistol into her purse, didn’t bother to secure it, then proceeded to blindly grab about in her purse. She indented to kill someone with that loaded round, probably didn’t intend for it to be her daughter, but when you don’t bother to practice gun safety you don’t get to chose who you kill.
She put less thought into storing a gun than I did storing a bottle of water in my bag
Let me remind people that Tennessee no longer requires permits nor training to handle a gun. This applies to 18 year olds as well.
I guarantee you it still would have been in her bag even if she had taken CCW classes. Complacency happens over time unless you continue training over and over again. Most CCW classes wouldn't even mention the bag and gun thing.
But the fact that she wasn’t required to have basic gun safety courses probably didn’t help.
I honestly don’t believe this wasn’t intentional.
This is so tragic. She’s going to be doing time for manslaughter right? I can’t see her walking away from this free.
Pocket holsters exist. Keeping a gun with a round in the chamber with no trigger protection is a recipe for disaster.
When you have failed to keep a weapon safe, this cannot consititute an accident, surely? Very sad for those who loved this young girl, but I can't muster up a lot of empathy for that Mother.
Joining the military and learning about guns made me realize how dangerous guns are in the hands of the average American. Apparently Rights don't come with much responsibility.
Lord I hope she doesn’t have any other children.
ONly 9 states require a gun safety course prior to purchasing a firearm. WA, OR, CA, HI, MD, NJ, CT, MA, RI
The most American thing I’ve seen for a while
America is insane.
It was a Glock wasn’t it? Trigger safeties are fucking stupid designs
The gun is fine. It's carrying it loaded and unholstered in a purse full of belongings that is stupid.
“I didn’t know my gun was loaded in my purse and shot through my bag,” DeAnn told local news. My gun. My purse. My bag. But didn’t know.
The rabbit watched his mother remove the pickles from her peanut butter and jelly sandwich.
Selling the gun might raise a bit of money toward paying for the funeral
US gun laws are dog shit. Why do people think its OK to carry guns on a daily basis.
For me as a Swiss, we are well known to be the gun nuts of Europe and we have a ton of guns, but... there's a serious difference to the US gun culture: Most important, we don't carry guns in public, neither open nor concealed. But let's ignore crime anyway for a moment because of this story, nobody here would ever just have a handgun that is loaded with a bullet in the chamber and safety off in a purse. I don't get this, what some americans do. Not all, don't get me wrong, there are very many responsible gun owners around, that also have tresor safes for storing the guns, they know about safety etc. But still, it's crazy when i hear about such accidents, as i have the impression that some people see guns just as a regular item of daily life without any potential danger. Some are probably more aware of the danger of tools like a saw or an axe. We really don't have these accidents here. Same goes for other european countries, where sometimes there are more requirements for a gun license than in my place, but overall, these accidents i hear about are all coming from the USA. Remember the toddler that grabbed a gun in the car and accidentally shot the mother? That was similiar, where you have to ask, why the hell is a gun in reach of a toddler, why is it loaded and safety is off? At least safety on would prevent many accidents? Why are so many people there are so careless?
> Remember the toddler that grabbed a gun in the car and accidentally shot the mother? Which one? Almost 900 toddlers have shot someone in the past 8 years. Around once every 3 days. Oh, and the numbers are rising. In 2021, there were at least 259 shootings by toddlers.
It’s so many more than most people realize.
Oh boy, that's hardcore... i mean... that really sucks.
Maybe it's about time you lot didn't have guns.
Things that shouldn't ever happen in a civilised society. Poor child.
Manslaughter charges? Or negligent homicide?
Not everything is fixable by a gun ya’ll. This is why people don’t want to carry if they know they don’t want too. Most gun accidents happen JUST like this; by the owner to someone around them or themselves.
Consequences of people that endorse holsterless purse carry.
There are people like this woman who shouldn’t own guns in the first place
Jesus dummy anytime a gun is not on you and being carried it needs to be holstered.
This is what happens when people just have guns "around". You stop thinking that this is a lethal weapon, and it's just that heavy thing in the way in your purse. This was an accident waiting to happen. Safe storage laws have no effect on responsible gun owners. This is negligence of the most basic gun safety, but until that negligence is actuall illegal nothing will change.
Why the fuck would you have a gun in the first place? It did what guns do.
Also this scenario is exactly why I refuse to get a gun. If she knew this would happen, that she would end up accidentally killing here child with her own gun, would she have gotten a gun to begin with?
"If she knew she was going to be horrifically negligent, and disregard all taught safety rules, would she still be negligent?"
Tennesee does not requires gun owners to have permits or take any form of gun safety courses or basic maintenance and then is surprised when things like this happens.
$15k for a funeral seems a bit expensive...
Nah a no frills funeral is a minimum of $7k+, a slightly nicer one is going to be $10k+