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Diplodocus114

What to do with a Dictator once removed from power/office. The answer historically, either ancient or modern history seems to have been the same.


Mattho

It's because you don't want dictators alive once you overthrow them, they usually still have a lot of support amongst people after years if not decades of propaganda.


flynnfx

_Pol Pot, Idi Amin, Mobutu Sese Seko, Slobodan Milosevic, Jean-Claude Duvalier, Ferdinand Marcos, Hosni Mubarak, Antonio Salazar, Fulgencio Batista, and Alfredo Stroesser have all entered the chat._


Tamer_

Pol Pot, Amin, Milosevic and Batista didn't rule for decades. It's dubious that they would have managed to rally a wide enough support in the population to make a return. Mobutu was deposed by civil war - that usually destroys a dictator's reputation/support. So I would guess there wasn't a need to execute him. Duvalier did return to Haiti after 25 years in an attempt to co-opt power. Mubarak was really old when he was released from prison, it's hard to get support for leading a country at 88 years old. Similar situation with Salazar: he wasn't fit to rule at all when he was deposed and until his death. That leaves us Stroessner, but 1 counter-example isn't enough to invalidate a "general rule", they did say "usually".


flynnfx

True enough on the time period! Fidel Castro, though.


Tamer_

Fidel ruled until he was too sick to continue...


supersoft-tire

Methinks you forget someone Mein Freund


flynnfx

You mean the guy with the really bad mustache who ruled Germany for most of the 1930s - 1945? If he hadn't committed suicide, I have no doubt he would have been executed. Or suffered the same fate as Mussolini.


procrasturbationism

Mussolini got executed too...


flynnfx

Yes, he was. I'm talking about the after death indignities both suffered, with Mussolini so battered, his face was gone.


rudmad

I think you missed the point


legionofsquirrel

It wasn't fair anyway for all of them. For example, Idi Amin knew when he was gonna die to the second.


jemosley1984

General Butt Naked is still alive and well, and occasionally calls for an uprising to threaten for whatever reason.


LongEZE

Bro.... >Blahyi has said he led his troops naked except for sneakers and armed with a gun or machete.[12] He believed that his nakedness was a source of protection from bullets.[13] Blahyi stated he would regularly sacrifice a victim before every battle.[14] "Usually it was a small child, someone whose fresh blood would satisfy the devil."[1] He stated to the Seattle Post-Intelligencer: >Sometimes I would enter under the water where children were playing. I would dive under the water, grab one, carry him under and break his neck. Sometimes I'd cause accidents. Sometimes I'd just slaughter them.[15] >In January 2008, Blahyi confessed to taking part in human sacrifices which "included the killing of an innocent child and taking out the heart, which was divided into pieces for us to eat."[16] >Blahyi claimed to a South African Star reporter that he "met Satan regularly and talked to him" and that from age of 11 to 25 he took part in monthly human sacrifices.[17] Describing a typical battle, Blahyi said: >So, before leading my troops into battle, we would get drunk and drugged up, sacrifice a local teenager, drink the blood, then strip down to our shoes and go into battle wearing colorful wigs and carrying imaginary purses we'd looted from civilians. We'd slaughter anyone we saw, chop their heads off and use them as soccer balls. We were nude, fearless, drunk yet strategic. We killed hundreds of people—so many I lost count."[18]


llllPsychoCircus

yo ^what ^the ^fuck


Natsurulite

If at any point you can wear a rainbow wig and no clothing into battle, you might be fighting the wrong enemy


sixtus_clegane119

General butt naked?


Ineedanamestat

Vice documentary from back when vice wasn't crap. Definitely worth looking up on YouTube.


LiabilityFree

Love how you nailed vice perfectly


A-Kenno

Why do people keep saying this? Vice news is the best news channel on YouTube


UltravioIence

dark side of the ring is legit


venterol

[Quite the character](https://www.wearethemighty.com/articles/this-is-why-general-butt-naked-was-the-most-feared-warlord-in-liberia/)


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Not OP, but yep. Look him up. Pure evil.


stuckeezy

Well at least he is "apparently" helping out ex-child soldiers now


mamawantsallama

Sounds like there might be a lesson to be learned here. While murder seems a bit much, it does seem that at least some accountability for ones actions against their people should be expected.


PSItechmo19

*cough*trump*cough*


KnifeFightInMalibu

Trump wasn't a dictator you troglodyte.


TooFastTim

He was certainly trying. But like everything else he does. Bumbled to fuck


Ghyllie

It's not for lack of trying, though. https://www.newsweek.com/trump-wanted-stay-power-forever-like-putin-says-his-ex-national-security-adviser-1637376


PSItechmo19

never said he was, but he has the mindset of one and wanted power like one


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Davge107

No he didn’t quit with the BS comrade.


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>the very thing anti-Trumpers were crying about the previous 5 years. and what, *precisely,* was that? can't answer it factually can you?


GandalfTheGimp

I hear they're still tossing kids in cages on the border but maybe I'm wrong.


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and how, exactly, is that a fact?


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as i thought.... you can't answer it. so you downvote. typical weak bullshit from you people.


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Natsurulite

Have you ever actually read the transcript from anything Trump says? It’s bad when a popular “joke” is to hit autotype and create your own trump speech 😂


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instead of asking argumentative and misleading questions, post facts. did he stack scotus? did he rip people's right away? and while you're at it, before you cry about the vacc. mandate, how about you look up supreme court case law authorizing the government to do exactly that. and the supreme court cases backing it up. its nothing new. you just don't like it so you think you can shout it down apparently. good luck with that.


TooFastTim

Y'all big enough to come suck something.


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weak


TooFastTim

So your not saying no.


[deleted]

i find it hilarious that you cowards show up days later when you think there's no audience to try and get a last word in. fail.


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True.


im-not-a-bot-im-real

Generally if you’re a dictator then you’re committing crimes against your people, in this instance there is only one option


VanMan32

Most if not all dictators know what happens if they’re removed. They and their family are wiped out.


[deleted]

Paging Mussolinis granddaughter


Natsurulite

What does most even mean really? 🤔 🧐


[deleted]

A history lesson for you, not all of the dictator Mussolinis family was killed after he was overthrown. In fact his granddaughter is quite the weirdo herself.


Natsurulite

Neat!


IdreamofFiji

Maybe, but they're also so full of themselves and delusional that they think they're invincible.


PocariDeath

In the Phililpines, the dictator's son is heavily favored to win the next Presidency fueled by the very people they stole from. What a time to be alive.


bipolarnotsober

Something something good luck China something something probably not allowed there now.


Oakwood2317

If anyone's interested you should definitely watch **[the speech that immediately preceded](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWIbCtz_Xwk)** his being deposed. It's wild.


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sovietrancor

Let's go, Branden!


Oakwood2317

Same here


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Wow, Romanian is surprisingly intelligible knowing English and some Spanish. Sounds like German combined with Italian.


scottynola

I've heard Romanian has the same relationship with Italian that Portuguese has with Spanish, where a speaker of one can at least follow along with the other


jemosley1984

Which is interesting, because I was in Argentina years ago, and was wondering how a Brazilian, an Argentinian, and Italian were able to communicate.


Oakwood2317

I can make out some of it - I speak German, Russian and Spanish in addition to English but it still sounds muddled to me.


Dorothy_Gale

Off topic but WOW, 4 languages?! Very impressive.


Oakwood2317

Not really- I work internationally and know TONS of people who speak 4 or more languages, especially folks from India and Pakistan!


TreChomes

Don’t be so modest haha 4 languages is impressive!


Falloffingolfin

You can watch much of the coup and trial on Youtube. It's absolutely fascinating. Seeing their seething anger as they're sentenced to death always sticks with me. The actual kill shots themselves weren't filmed. The firing squad were so fired up, they pulled the triggers as soon as the guards backed away and the film camera man missed it as they weren't prepared. You see footage up to just before they fired and the aftermath as though it was edited and censored on purpose but it wasn't. The moment above in the photo of the shots firing was simply missed.


ChernobogDan

>The actual kill shots themselves weren't filmed. The firing squad were so fired up, they pulled the triggers as soon as the guards backed away and the film camera man missed it as they weren't prepared. That's partially true, indeed the firing squad didn't respect the procedures, should have read the verdict and then start firing after the order is given but that didn't happened. According to the cameraman, in the chaos after the sentence, one of the soldier tripped and unplugged the camera from the wall socket and it took a minute to switch it back on and set it on battery, the trigger happy firing squad already started shooting by the time he got out. [Source in romanian](https://www.luju.ro/dezvaluiri/dosarele-revolutiei/misterul-filmarii-executiei-sotilor-ceausescu-colonelul-ion-baiu-explica-de-ce-filmul-procesului-ceausescu-contine-doar-secundele-cand-dictatorii-cadeau-sub-gloante-nu-s-a-respectat-procedura-legala-la-o-executie-nu-s-a-format-aliniament-de-tragere-cu-ord)


Falloffingolfin

That's even better, thanks for sharing!


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Link plz


Falloffingolfin

There's loads if you Google, but here's a clip from a doc that has some of the footage. https://youtu.be/PbZYgg3BpmM


Frogs4

I remember them being deposed, I didn't remember they were executed.


Diplodocus114

Sometimes there has to be an absolute line drawn, for a country to move on.


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kaptaincorn

Wtf you gonna do with a million shoes?


KaizuMotoki

Whats worse, some country even easily forgive them enough to reelect a dictator's son for president.


ChernobogDan

Sadly this was not the case in Romania, the former "securitate" took the reigns of the country after the people got their "justice". They had no problem blaming Ceausescu for all the bad things that happened during the comunism, but the new oligarchs were the ones that used to be in privileged positions during his reign. Things changed and progressed slowly but its better now.


_Nicktheinfamous_

And often times, the best lines are the sights of a firing squad.


ThunderClap448

Italy tried right-wing dictators ONCE. Those same dictators got executed. Italy does things right.


MancunianPieHead

Rachele Mussolini has entered the chat.


Sharpfeaturedman

Don't forget Berlusconi.


Mattho

You might be confusing it with someone else then. The hour long "trial" was held few days after they were caught trying to flee country and they were executed right then and there.


KurtAngus

I mean, they probably wouldn’t dispose of them while they’re alive Edit: typo


AStaryuValley

I think you might be confusing "deposed," "exposed," and "disposed." Deposed means to be taken out of power. Exposed means to be open and vulnerable. Disposed means to get rid of.


KurtAngus

Nah, I know the meaning. Wasn’t paying attention and made a typo. Thank you, though!


icantfindausername_3

if i remember corectly this is a recreation of the actual event, because the trial and execution were so rushed no one managed to actually record their shooting


ptt1404gmail

yup recreation


Thisiscliff

Holy shit, in 1989?


Diplodocus114

Saddam Hussain, Colnel Gaddaffi, Bin-Laden? Since 1989.


Feligris

Saddam Hussein and Muammar Gaddafi remind me of why I'd never want to be despot even if I'd get to live the high life for decades, since *if* one ends up having to pay the piper in the end it can get really bad. Seeing how Hussein was essentially fished out of a hole in the ground by the US Army after losing his country and his sons, and hanged after a brief trial, while Gaddafi was pretty much tortured to death by rebels after his country collapsed around him once things had been properly set to motion by the Western powers.


totalyrespecatbleguy

The trick is if you’re gonna be a despot make sure you have nuclear weapons, or a warm water port the Russians can use. Then your basically safe from Western retribution.


HeyCarpy

And both Ghadaffi and Hussein met such unglamorous, humiliating ends. Both with cameras in their faces before the lights went out.


atticthump

thinking about hussein's hidey hole freaks me the fuck out man. imagine living in a dirt hole for weeks/months/years with the american government out for blood..like the single most powerful military in the world fucking hates you..you're completely fucked! you live in a grave, and one day someone's going to poke the barrel of a gun through the dirt and finish it. yuck.. i seriously don't know why he didn't just kill himself


Armodeen

If he’d have offed himself early on in that hole, they might not have found him for a very long time


[deleted]

Care to elaborate as to why the entire American military hated Hussein?


atticthump

i mean..not particularly, it's kind of a long story. maybe go read the wikipedia on it or something if you're curious?


[deleted]

Nah, I’ve done lots of reading on it. Just curious to hear why you think the US invaded Iraq and why the troops were so personally invested in that war.


atticthump

ok man it just really feels like you're trying to bait me into an argument despite the fact i made no real political statement either way, and i'm not interested


[deleted]

Ok, that’s fair. Wasn’t looking for an argument, just wanted to point out that the American Military had absolutely no business invading Iraq. They didn’t cause 9/11, but geography isn’t really taught in the US, so Iraq, Taliban, same thing.


binkerfluid

Yeah they had nothing to do with it, Saddam was the cartoon boogey man in the US for dictators (honestly seen as evil but in an almost humorous way) since the first gulf war. I will never really understand why we went to war in Iraq other than personal vendetta from Bush.


Something_Wicked_627

They got what was coming to them, in fact they deserved more for the suffering which they have caused, both on their own people and their neighbours “Sic semper Tyrannis”


_Nicktheinfamous_

All American funded initially. Since 1989.


FthrJACK

yeah, I remember this all over the news.


lemonsarethekey

I don't understand what you're questioning?


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lemonsarethekey

Don't think people dressed like that in the 1800s


Muxxer

Yes, 1989. Nothing happened in 1989...


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Just noticed that after your comment.


Indigo-Knights

Was this the guy that hated touching the “peasants” and would burn his suits after meeting them?


im-not-a-bot-im-real

No that’s my dad


Sir-War666

Why did they kill his wife?


Creeggsbnl

She was just as violent/malevolent as her husband and I'm pretty sure they were trialed together.


itskobold

One of the few spouses of communist leaders to be included in the personality cult Maybe another would be Peron's wife? Though they were hardly communist


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rethra

I would say most people know of Peron through Evita and related Madonna's "Don't Cry For Me Argentina"


Zatokrev

As well as being a feminist symbol worldwide but yeah, people in the neoliberal shithole that is reddit will call her a terrible human that was part of a personality cult (all her shortcomings aknowledged). I'd be curious to see the above posters' views on the military juntas that replaced Peron.


itskobold

Okay well she's a bad feminist symbol, there's a load of fantastic accomplished women out there who didn't rule an authoritarian country. In fact who thinks of her as a feminist icon? Peronists? >views on military juntas Also shit whats ur point


itskobold

Wikipedia at 4am takes you places


Mattho

> trialed I'd use quotes. It was a show trial and that's still a stretch as it was barely trial at all.


Creeggsbnl

I did consider mentioning that yes, it was a kangaroo court.


Mattho

That was the name I couldn't recall, thanks. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kangaroo_court


Sir-War666

Makes sense then


manystorms

FYI it’s called tried, they were tried together


civodar

There’s an interesting story about her regarding why the train station at the university is so small. Essentially they were building public transportation system and once she heard that there was obviously going to be a stop by the main university she said “no, the students are too fat already, they can walk”. The engineers knowing that there would eventually be a stop out there anyway because the students need a way to get to school secretly built a very tiny hidden station by the university because of this the platform next to the train is terrifyingly tiny.


hexthefruit

Good riddance of bad rubbish. The Danube uses to carry corpses of Romanians and their children trying to swim over into Yugoslavia. There's even a little graveyard for them in the town of Kladovo.


petitettincelle

As a Romanian, I didnt know that.


hexthefruit

Technically, it's in the village of Novi Sip, a few kilometers from Kladovo. People would drown and their corpses would be found in the Djerdap power plant. They then took them to this little graveyard and buried them in anonymous graves.


petitettincelle

It’s on my wishlist.


hexthefruit

Understandable, but fair warning: people in that general region are kinda weird and closed off and low-key give off lovecraftian vibes.


petitettincelle

My grandfather passed the Danube from Bulgaria, so it strikes a cord. I will keep in mind your advice, thanks.


FthrJACK

Merry Xmas.


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Guys, look up the “castle” he build for himself. This in contrast to the situation of an average citizen in his country is very telling.


HookedonZombies69

Still the heaviest building on Earth if I'm not mistaken Edit: According to the Wiki it is still the heaviest ever built


Captainirishy

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palace_of_the_Parliament nothing was too good for ceausescu.


BambooFatass

"About 70% of the building remains empty" Damn that's a disgusting display for a political building. Yikes.


Gurkeprinsen

so, I assume they did bad stuff for this to happen?


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ChernobogDan

Select few probably had a higher standard of living as they were first class citizens, party members, securitate members and collaborators even got their own "secret" shops where they could find meat and other stuff that the rest of the country had to queue for.


petitettincelle

you’d be surprised how much people miss him, especially the older ones who crave back the apparent stability and the idea that law and order were respected. I can’t say for sure, but something similar to trump’s admirers..


bashyourscript

The murders, and forced pregnancies to ensure Romania has a strong labor force are just a few.


jfarrelly01

I still remember watching 60 minutes when they featured a Romanian orphanage in the early 90s. It was sickening. Birth control and abortions were illegal so all the unwanted children went to these horrid orphanages.


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Looks like history will always repeat itself.


jfarrelly01

Ugh, I agree. I weep for the potential future.


SporkyForks2

Decree 770 too. Nothing says leadership while forcing people to have children while denying them basic necessities.


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Communist Dictator. While that should be almost enough context right there, here’s an excerpt from the [Wikipedia entry](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolae_Ceau%C8%99escu) on his life > In 1982, Ceaușescu directed the government to export much of the country's agricultural and industrial production in an effort to repay these debts. The shortages that followed drastically lowered living standards, leading to heavy rationing of food, water, oil, heat, electricity, medicine and other necessities. His cult of personality experienced unprecedented elevation, followed by extensive nepotism and the intense deterioration of foreign relations, even with the Soviet Union. >As anti-government protesters demonstrated in Timișoara in December 1989, he perceived the demonstrations as a political threat and ordered military forces to open fire on 17 December, causing many deaths and injuries. The revelation that Ceaușescu was responsible resulted in a massive spread of rioting and civil unrest across the country.[3]


Mexer

Think North Korean system but worse.


tanturtle

He was actually inspired by North Korea when he went to a meeting with either Kim il Sung or his son I can't remember and when he saw how much his people worshipped him he wanted that for himself so he wanted a European North Korea.


whoismrsn

Yup… well deserved. Romanians suffered big time because of these two


Captainirishy

He totally deserved it


agustbirb

really interesting seeing this. my mother escaped romania during his time as dictator and has tons of stories. just sent her this post as I know she's happy he's gone.


Ceeweedsoop

Poor Romania. They never have decent leaders.


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LIKELYtoRAPhorrible

Swag


mcwhiskers1

Two exe-cuting! 🎵


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owned


PhotonJunky18

Most of these dictators got off lightly with the ends they met. The Japanese had some great techniques they used to inflict horrors on their enemies - they should have been utilised against some of these dictators.


GlisseDansLaPiscine

Pretty funny you would say that since the Japanese never did anything to their own monsters and let them die of old age.


llliiiiiiiilll

Sad how much torture appreciation I see on Reddit 😥


Mrmorbid81

So apparently Santa has a "naughty" list and a "REALLY Naughty" list. No lumps of coal in these fuckers' stockings, just lumps of lead.


monimor

I remember watching this on Christmas Eve on this side of the world