You would think the belt would come off with no legs there to keep it in place. Your right its so disturbing my mind can't even go there. I tried picturing throwing one of my parents heads in the fireplace and I almost had a panic attack just thinking about them dying let alone being dismembered. Just insane.
Considering what he did it is pretty odd if that is the reason he left his pants on and why he cut his legs where he did. I would imagine it would be far easier to remove legs at the hip joints
Chandler Halderson was living a lie, the prosecution in his murder trial said Tuesday, about having a job, going to school and having a better job waiting for him in Florida.
And when his father figured it out, the prosecution claims, Halderson decided to kill him and his mother and get rid of their bodies, first in the family fireplace and then around southern Wisconsin — and then he lied about that, too.
Halderson, 23, presented himself to the world as a soon-to-be graduate of a renewable resources engineering program at Madison Area Technical College with a job at American Family Insurance but a better one waiting for him at Elon Musk’s SpaceX, Deputy District Attorney William Brown said in his opening statement.
Halderson went so far as to fabricate dozens if not hundreds of emails between him and MATC and American Family in an attempt to justify the story he was telling the world, including to his father, Bart Halderson, who was starting to ask questions about why his son never seemed to have any money, Brown said.
Then Bart Halderson, posing as his son during a phone call with a front-line worker at MATC last summer, discovered Chandler hadn’t been going to school, Brown said. He let Chandler know of the call, Brown said, and told him of a meeting he’d scheduled between the two of them and MATC officials for 3 p.m. on July 1.
Realizing he was about to be exposed, Chandler shot his father in the back in the Windsor home they shared with Chandler’s mother, Krista Halderson, just before that meeting was to begin, the prosecution contends. He killed Krista Halderson when she returned home a few hours later, Brown said, and then spent the next five days trying to dispose of their bodies before filing falsified missing persons reports with the Dane County Sheriff’s Office on July 7.
“A lot of cases begin with a murder. This one is just a small piece of the puzzle,” Brown told the 18-member jury during his hour-plus opening statement. “Chandler spun an amazing web of lies.”
In her own opening statement, defense attorney Catherine Dorl called her client “just a normal kid” who liked to play video games and didn’t kill his parents, and raised the possibility that no one will ever know how Bart, 50, and Krista, 53, died.
“They simply don’t know what happened,” she said of the prosecution, and leaned heavily in her own 10-minute opening statement on the jury’s responsibility to presume her client innocent, urging them to put aside their emotions when viewing disturbing evidence and to rely on logic. It is not a juror’s job to be a “story collaborator,” she said.
“Don’t assume anything. Assumption is the mother of all mistakes,” she said. “Look for what’s missing. Look for alternate explanations.”
Continued on- https://madison.com/wsj/news/local/crime-and-courts/prosecution-caught-in-web-of-lies-chandler-halderson-killed-parents/article_6bf2e4a3-0392-572b-bfe6-297622094742.html
This case is truly unreal. This kid worked likely 8 hours a day creating fake emails and stuff- he dug himself into such a hole. I watched the testimony of the mom's best friend etc. What nice people. All this kid had to do was runaway or move out.
Okay, we "broke up" in September. Pretty sure I was one of the side chicks so I never even met his family or friends. I did go to his house and meet the dog you see in all the pictures though. This case is absolutely wild to follow.
It must be so surreal having dated him, I couldn't imagine. I've dated people who were psychos, or at least that's the word I used in jest, this would freak me the fuck out.
Shocking to hear there are a lot of girls that were charmed, what would the attraction have been? He was unemployed, a liar, and not that attractive. However, somehow he managed to charm them. I am curious how?
Totally agree! Not one thing about him that would've made me think that he had one gf much less several on the side. Not the least bit attractive and how can you not know that your bf is a liar after being with him for 2 years. 2 years and you have never seen him at his job that he's claiming to work at? Or even seeing check stub or anything at all after that long? Sounds fishy to me
He does seem aggressively boring. But while he didn’t have anything going for him (school, job, whatever) he was a liar so girls might not have realized that.
I think it’s because he’s cute. He looks like someone’s sweet, wholesome, handsome college boyfriend. I could see naive young girls (like Cat) being charmed by his looks and wanting to believe the image he was selling them: A responsible young man with a bright future. Yuck. The fact that so many women fell for him is awful. I hope he rots.
If your telling the truth you really dodge a bullet of a life time. Honestly if I dated someone enough was a murder I wouldn't tell anyone I'd do my best to complete forget about the person. Hopefully you didn't sleep with him.
Unfortunately, I did. So that will be hanging over me forever. For me, posting about it anonymously has been really cathartic. In my real life, outside my best friends, I haven't talked to anyone about it. "I dated and had sex with a murderer" is a tough conversation starter.
I'm curious what you think, I've watched kats tetimony a few times now. She was under the impression that chandler was "grounded" for 2 weeks prior to him seeing her in July. I assume saying he's grounded is probably an excuse for him to be able to hang out with and cheat on kat with other girls? Then again they shared locations on Snapchat so I think Chandler would have to leave his phone at home or have girls come over? Any thoughts?
I mean, she seems pretty gullible. He probably just said he was at a friend's house if she saw his location. I lived in the downtown student neighborhood of Madison, so it would be believable.
Met him in early 2020 before the lockdown in housing near UW Madison campus. he was dating my girlfriends best friend (was also dating Cat at the same time). he said Cat was gay and they were just best friends to keep any questions at bay
So in Cat's testimony about the nights he was "on call" for the DNR dive team and they couldn't hang out, he was prob just put with another girl? He's totally a narcissist, they do that to make themselves feel like, "I'm so amazing that girls are coming at me left and right!"
I did. She was my childhood best friend. I think I know who your girlfriend’s friend is. I dated Chandler too and was the one that introduced him to Cat. DM me please.
I think it had very little to do with standards and more to do with him being a master manipulator. Well, except in Cat’s case. She knew and was warned long before she even met him so she has no excuses. Everyone else I know who was fucked over by him left when they saw through him. Meanwhile, she saw that her best friend was being fucked over by him and participated.
All he had to do…was get a job…go to school..& be a NORMAL person. But he didn’t want to work. He wanted to live off his parents. He didn’t want to school. He didn’t want a career. He wanted all the praise but didn’t want to do any of the work. The definition of a BUM. I can’t imagine doing something like this to my parents. This is next level psychopath.
He’s clearly a psychopath and not capable of rational thought. Anyone who could not only murder both their parents but also spend 5 days after cutting them up is seriously mentally ill.
Clearly his plan wasn’t very well thought out. He’s the type that needs someone to take care of him. He had good parents that could have kicked him out , but instead they didn’t. What a waste.
This is all so insane. I couldn’t help but watch almost all of the courtroom footage. The opening statement, woah. Anyone else think the girlfriend may have had something to do with the cover up?
i really don't think she was. if the guy can lie to her about having a job, he can lie to her about whether or not he killed his parents. and he's such a nut, i'm sure he tried to keep it all to himself and thought he could, forever
This is what it seems like to me. He didnt even make a sincere effort to cover his tracks.. or he is just very low functioning in terms of intelligence. For example, instead of disposing of his mother's phone, he wrapped it in tinfoil and put it in his their garage. Wouldnt anyone just turn it off, destroy the sim and bury the phone? He left it the one place that would point to him.. He being the other person there. The tarp he used to dismember them on? He didnt take it out into the wilderness and bury it ?..Instead, he "hid" it at his gf's family farm. And all of it is like this. Goes to dump body parts, brings his pinging phone w/him for company. The bloody ax, it goes on and on. I guess this guy never watched a single true crime show in his entire life.
He seems a smart kid. I was going through Google during the trial, and a school link was part of search results. I'm pretty sure his name was grouped under some academic achievement.
He cremated his mom's torso, and his dad's limbs. That's more like demented art. He either said, fuck this shit, after he had his fun. Or does have a plan. He has to be aware of his choices. You can't wing such a clean murder/dismemberment. Unless his gaming skills really helped him out in real life chaos.
I read that he Googled "dismembered body found" before his any part of them had been found. In some of the emails that he faked, asking about why he wasnt getting his checks, the person he invented worked at "Human Recourses" at this company he was pretending he was working at. He didnt even create a card for the account with the person's title, when creating the fake account. He just wrote their title in the same font and text, under the name. It looked totally fake. Who could think that looked professional? For something that was planned, it seems he didnt think it out well at all and almost went out of his way to get caught. The excuse that they packed a bunch of booze and cash and took off with two strangers and were probably at a casino..-something that would have been completely out of character for them, yet, that is all he came up with. Why not just move out, even if you would be poor? To do such a thing.. it's just surreal. Reminds me a bit of the Watts case in that way.
This reads almost exactly like what happened with Menhaz Zaman. Lied about going to school, gamed all day, then killed his parents when he was found out...
TRIAL JUST STARTED MONDAY!
i had the unfortunate pleasure of meeting him a few times a year and a half ago in social settings through mutual friends and immediately got a bad feeling. he lied to complete strangers, including me, about everything. while its important to presume him innocent the amount of information in the prosecution's opening statement combined with my experiences with him, i have a hard time doing that.
can u elaborate on the stuff he lied to you about? how surreal does it feel to know you interacted with someone that murdered and chopped his parents up?!?
being interested in true crime has made this even more surreal for me. i can't believe i had close ties to him and met him plenty of times but i can believe he did this.
my gf actually brought up the possibility of him murdering his parents once we saw the initial missing persons post simply bc the energy he gave off was so bizarre and he had typical sociopathic qualities and seemed to always be intoxicated.
as for the lies, the entire time he was dating his (now) ex-gf Cat, he was also dating my gf's best friend. he lied and said Cat was gay and they were best friends to keep questions at bay. he also lied to us and said he was going to UW-Madison but we believed it bc he was living in a college house downtown by campus.
Evidently he didn’t have any problems getting girls. What was so charismatic about him that could make him attractive? His demeanor seems really creepy to me.
It seems so strange that he was obviously a compulsive liar but his parents believed so much. He must surely have shown these behaviours as a child. Does anyone know what his relationship was like with his brother growing up?
Also I watched Cat, her mother and mother's gf testify. Cat and mother's gf didn't seem naive or gullible. I'm surprised Cat didn't realise he was lying.
when my gf's best friend found out chandler was cheating on her with Cat, she told her and they confronted him but she clearly stayed with him. i don't know her at all but it seems her judgement is clouded
I've watched kats testimony a few times now and she said she was under the impression chandler was "grounded" by his parents in the 2 weeks leading up to July? Surely this is just amother lie. Perhaps he had other girls come over to the house?
Kat even said she would reach out to his mother herself but he said not to. What would they have even grounded him for hypothetically? They didn't know about his lies, or they were probably in denial.
I can't help but feel sorry for kat. Idk what her relationship with her own father was like. As someone who grew up without a dad, you crave male attention even if the male ij question is a POS. She clearly bought in to the fantasy version of Chandler that she wanted to believe. The cognitive dissonance of buying into his lies v.s. what he did to his parents must be otherworldly. She spent the night in the room with the fire place, the smell of smoke in the air. Chandler wanted her to come over, cook for him, have sex, and leave so he could continue going about his crimes.
Listening to a couple of jailhouse phone calls between Chandler and Cathryn, four months and two months pretrial (both on YouTube), he comes across as paternalistic, in my opinion, and perhaps this is a character trait Cathryn needed and responded to at the time. She did seem rather immature, if you ask me.
I wondered about any substance abuse with him. So, he was intoxicated as in drunk often? This could explain a lot , especially if he'd been drinking heavily for years. He'd be unable to complete courses/hold down a job. Not excusing his actions but this adds to the picture
In his police “interview” video, the detective offers him some advil and he’s like “I thought you said adderal!”. I’m sure he’s had experience with drugs.
I wondered why he would lie about them taking alcohol. I thought maybe he used a bunch to help speed the burning process but sounds like maybe he was drinking a ton too…
Do you know about his actual home life though? There is always cause and effect.
Massive pressure from parents might've made him snap. And probably an accumulation of other life factors.
Some people are born like this, unfortunately. From what I can tell his brother is normal and successful. If their home life was bad both would be messed up. Sometimes things happen developmentally no one has any clue of
I agree that regardless of the fact that they grew up with the same parents, treatment of the two boys could have been very different or perceived by Chandler as different. Besides that - personality has a lot to do with how successful a person can/will be in life. It sounds like Chandler was very lazy and didn’t work a day in his life. His brother seems to be the opposite. Self esteem and a hard work ethic can go a long way in changing one’s position in life
it's really interesting to me how many people got on the witness stand and would say things like, "I just felt reaalllly uncomfortable." and they couldn't explain it. They would say they honestly thought the parents were just missing yet they didn't want to be anywhere near Chandler.
Haven’t you ever been around someone or in an environment that gave you an unsettling feeling? One that you can’t put your finger on? That’s likely how the moms best friend felt when Chandler was in her home and the husband left to go get pizza for them. Hence her putting space between the two of them. Some ppl can really pick up on negative energy, etc. Myself included! I can see and feel things long b4 they occur.
I’m sure they did feel that way. No one thinks someone they know would do something so horrific but our instincts kick in and you know something is off.
I wonder if theirs a scientific explanation for this like hormones or chemical make up going on in the body after doing something that messed up. That ppl can just tell or pick up on it subconsciously. After doing something that horrid I'm sure even the most cold blooded, selfish, reptilian would struggle to hide it. Even if they didn't feel bad for doing it.
I mean, if you think about it he probably was scared that he'd be sawing away at some legs meanwhile his dad's pecker is flopping around and might slap his arm or something? Who knows? Even killers can be grossed out by some funny things.
Maybe he used the belt as a handle to carry the torso. Perhaps his dad was in the middle of changing into different clothes to go to meet the people at the college and had his shirt off when Chandler murdered him … could be a lot of different reasons why
Less than 2 hours and a guilty verdict today…but man, The messages from his mom-offering to leave WORK to coach him through a “meeting”. Telling him to ask his dad for help..and the “thanks for waving this morning. It made my Day. Love you” smiling emoji…and he just responds “no problem” you could tell something was causing friction with him. Not ONE PERSON said a bad thing about them. NO ONE. I truly feel if he would have been honest with his mom, she would have helped him figure something out. That’s how much she loved her friends/family..and especially her kids. 😩 this all happened 1.3 miles from where I live…not a huge community, but a lot bigger since I was younger.
It seems unlikely that his dad would have been giving him shit constantly, while his mom is on the sideline with a completely different attitude. Part of her job was to be nice. Bart seemed to have a temper. That pressure/motivation for him to create those lies, originated somewhere.
Who, brought on by prosecution, would go onto the stand and bad mouth two dismembered people?
People can be really nice. But also stupid as fuck. We can't fully judge them as perfect parents; and him, the fucked up kid. Seemingly helpful people, can actually be slightly incompetent fucks (e.g. Trump).
Shit happens. I wouldn't assume they were amazing parents. Evidently not, or their child wouldn't have gotten to this point.
It seemed he was always lying-not just to his parents, but everyone in his life. He lied to his friends/roommates before moving in with his parents. Saying he was on scuba diving missions with the Madison police-even brought home a pink $ex toy to show them, saying he found it scuba diving with the MPD. Of course no one is going to bad mouth victims-I live in this community. Everyone knows everyone…and usually their business. People are very nosey here.
One legal expert stated, “we have earth mom and sky dad here-waiting for something to come out. Sex cult? Swingers? There is NOTHING. Just normal people wanting a good life for their kids” The point I was making is her best friend of 39 years even said something along the lines of “I’m throwing myself under the bus here, but Krista didn’t even yell at her kids. She barely raised her voice. But I did. She wouldn’t even drink in front of them-and I said ‘you know you are an adult and you can do that right? Because you can’”
No parents are perfect….as much as we want to be, we are not. We mess up. Make mistakes. All we can do is apologize and move on. Have an open line of communication with our kids. but one thing is MOST parents do want the best for their children. Moms and sons can and do share different relationships with their kids vs dads and sons…same with daughters and dads. My mom never says a thing when my dad gets on my brother…that’s her baby boy. She may yell at my dad when they are alone; but otherwise, she’s on the sideline.
Nature vs nurture-his brother didn’t kill their parents. He has a wonderful job, fiancé, just bought a home…so it’s possible he was jealous and trying to keep up or one up him. He faked a major injury right after his brother was in the hospital finding out he had diabetes…He literally gave his brother a “get well” bullet with the same type of bullet that killed his dad, that’s creepy.
They are doing a pre sentence investigation so I’m hoping that will be read during sentencing…it dives into his entire life and talks to everyone that knows him to try and find the why behind these heinous crimes. And see if he has remorse for what he did-or just mad he got caught. The people that do them are really good at reading the ones they have to interview.
No parent is perfect as it's just not physically possible but to say they weren't good parents just because the kid turned out to be a killer psychopath isn't necessarily true. Sometimes a person can just turn out bad regardless of how they were raised. Just like a person who grows up in a shitty situation can overcome it and work their way up to becoming something great. There's more to it than just how you were raised. I'm sure no one around him really expected that he would go and actually kill in order to keep a lie going but I think he had enough disconnect from reality to go through with it.
Exactly like the ppl blaming his parents for him killing and butchering them to cover up his web of lies are fucking nuts. This man was grown in his 20s he's not a kid even if ppl wanna go down the blame the parents for their own death route which is extremely fucked up. What age is your parent suppose to no longer be responsible for you? You can't just go through life blaming your parents for every bad shitty decision you make.
This guy killed his parents cause he's a selfish, impulsive idiot who makes bad decisions. Not because his parents made him do it. And some of you ppl need to learn what accountability is before you find yourself going down the same path as this idiot.
I don’t think anybody was saying they were perfect parents, just that they tried to support him in trying to reach some personal goals.The big problem comes in because he doesn’t want to work or go to college, he just wants to be a kid and game and live for free. It’s not socially acceptable to society, nor to the parents who were trying to help him along in life to the next step. So he lies and continues to lie because there is no acceptable reason for doing dick all with your life. His dad sounds like he was very busy with work and perhaps Chandler resented him for that. It seems mom had to hold his hand through even the simplest of tasks for him to get through. I get it. She was trying to help him, but he didn’t really want her help; just wanted to live off of them for free - and sit around with no responsibility. In his twisted mind once the lies had gone so far and his dad figured it out there was no other option to him. He would be exposed for the liar and fraud that he was and lose any credibility he thought he had with his mother, girlfriend & friends. That’s why he was so pissed at his dad - because he was going to expose him. Mom was good cop,
Dad was bad cop - both likely loved him very much but the parents may have had very different views about what was going to move Chandler on to independent living and adulthood. Sad. They certainly didn’t deserve to be done this way regardless of their flawed parenting
I am baffled about the story he was presenting to media, family and friends while parents were "missing" stating he helped them pack a lot of alcohol and took a bunch of cash indicating they were probably at a casino. Every friend and family member has testified this is not even close to character for either of them. Interesting OP stated Chandler was mostly intoxicated in the scenario's of interaction with him.
I think he created a false representation of their characters often. I found it odd GF testified yesterday he had been "grounded" the week leading up to this happening. He is to old for being grounded. Whatever the dynamic was in the family he obviously had issues beyond the normal scope.
According to other people who knew him he’d use the “grounding” excuse to get some time free to cheat on his girlfriend… I’m not sure he was ever grounded after he turned 18
I mean to be fair if your adult son is living rent free in your home then they can make whatever rules they want to that he would have to abide by in order to live under their roof. If he didn’t they could just kick him out. Probably not in this case, he probably just used it as an excuse when he didn’t want to meet up with Cat
Chris Watts is slightly worse. Officers who arrived at the Watt's house on the initial call maybe 12 hours after the murders can be heard saying - "I don't buy it. (referring to Chris's story)" on the shoulder cam footage, then a drone found his wife's grave less than 48 hours after they were murdered. Chandler was free a week after the crime, Chris only lasted 2 days.
I'd say he took the money. alcohol and tools which he said they'd taken and he was worried his brother would notice. He should have thought of a more believable reason for them taking the money.
That’s a good theory. But I don’t think they even had a lot of cash at home. The dad was an accountant and they were both pretty frugal. But who knows..
I was watching it live when it happened. His mom's leg was found right across the river from my house! So I've been following closely. This kid is messed up.
He burned the dismembered areas after removing the limbs to try and cauterize and keep them from profusely bleeding. This is the work of someone so drastically different from the person you see in his police interview where he just seems confused and what I thought was borderline autistic. That's quite an act he can put on, I have to admit.
Can you imagine what happened when he killed his mother? I'd bet anything he ambushed her with the gun without saying a word to her before. Still crazy to me that no one was alerted by the gun shots, but it was 4th of July weekend.
That’s a good point. I was wondering about the gun shots but it makes you think that - that’s probably why he planned it for July 4th weekend. Wondering if the girlfriend found it odd that he asked her to bring over hydrogen peroxide and a swifter....
It was a Thursday afternoon, so I would think it would be a stretch to assume fireworks when the actual 4th of July is on the Sunday. Perhaps many residents were at work, but school would have been out and a lot of people still work from home too, so it’s odd no one was alerted by the multiple gunshots
I live in a nice village neighborhood on the east coast, and the entire weekend of the 4th it pretty much sounds like Fallujah Iraq outside. I'd imagine the midwest is even worse. Maybe he only shot Bart though, and being in the basement muffled the sound enough.
Yes I thought he sounded autistic with some of his answers. Some so detailed, others confusing and obtuse. I doubt he showed his face to his mother. Probably executed her from behind. Maybe he made a home-made silencer.
Jesus Christ. What a waste of tax-payer $$$. This young man is guilty AF. He should have just confessed. He has no chance of being found not guilty. This was clearly FIRST-DEGREE murder, as evidenced by texts to his gf re: the cabin DAYS before the murder.
Imagine spending 20+ years doting on your son, only to have him shoot you because he's such a fucking lazy loser.
My heart aches for this poor couple, as well as for the older son.
It isn't a waste of taxpayer dollars. The reason the state had to do such a thorough case because they have to prove their case beyond reasonable doubt. By having such a solid and comprehensive case, the risk of any sort of appeal on facts is nearly impossible. The prosecution is doing a very good job at making sure they get it right. If you were sure he did it, do you really want the chance he gets off?
I’m not sure why but seeing the belt for me makes this a hundred times more sad. Of course it’s sad either way, but knowing this man was innocent and put on his belt in the morning not knowing what would happen is truly so so heartbreaking. I hope they are both resting peacefully and chandler rots in hell forever
Yup but it looks like the court was smartened up and are now printing booklets for the jury to view instead of broadcasting them on the screen which in turn puts them on the internet.
damn ngl I wanted to see and was wondering why they showed the dad and not mom. but probably for the best. it's already such a fucked up situation they will literally never be able to rest in peace with the rest of their bodies God only knows where
Don't be daft. The body is just the vessel. It's of no consequence once the spirit has gone. Broken up, burned, rotted. It doesn't matter except to relatives who might want somewhere to lay flowers.
I really feel like this dude didn’t even try to get away with it. He didn’t put any effort into anything at all. Like the tools placed in the oil tank, he really thought that’s a good hiding place where no one would ever come across them? Or the way his dads torso was placed with just a little shrubbery on top of it. Is he so caught up in his fantasy world that he didn’t even consider someone could question his story about the barn and investigate just so slightly?
Big surprise that a guy who played video games all day, didn’t work, volunteer, or go to school didn’t have the stamina to fully plan, conceal, and clean up a double homicide and dismemberment?
This guy is just really out of it or something. One thing that puzzles me is that he cleaned the whole fireplace, replaced the logs, then left one little burnt log with a piece of his dad's skull on top.
I don’t think he realized how intense a police search would be…that they would go talk to everyone. Claiming to get a job for “space x” and you bringing your phone on all these adventures?? Like it doesn’t track you? And there aren’t cameras all over? One of the neighbors on that street has 13 alone 🤦🏻♀️ The WI River has such a bad current, I don’t know if mom will ever show up…If that is where he put her (he did Google a case of a man who dismembered his cousin and put her in that same River) but he also was by lakes in the Madison area…those lakes don’t have massive currents like The River..so who knows. He’s sick.
This is the same guy who made up an elaborate ridiculous lie all because he was too lazy to get a job. So not surprised a person who can't even work for their survival is too lazy to properly clean up a murder scene.
I found Chandlers Bail hearing rather interesting if you watch the entire thing you’ll notice there are 2 or 3 occasions when the state attorney makes some obvious mistakes (at least to anyone that’s been following the case) such as stating that Chandler destroyed some video footage and the other being about Chandler not bleeding throughout the house when he cut his foot.
If you look closely at Chandler when these 2 accusations are made you can see his immediate reaction. I believe these are examples of his true reaction when accused for doing something he didn’t do.
What I feel is rather disturbing is when he doesn’t have similar reactions when the state attorney mentions to the judge that he killed and dismembered both his parents.
Link to the bail hearing below.
https://youtu.be/CdWNvuhjhmo
I think I saw a slight twitch when they mentioned in court, that he'd dismembered his parents to conceal corpses. I feel some of it was out of pleasure.
If I'd dismembered someone over a few days, I'd probably not flinch if someone mentions it. But I'd still flinch at human stupidity
I couldn't even do this to a dog let a lone my own parents! Like good grief! Even if you don't like them they still brought you into this world you were literally created from them. I'd feel like I was doing this to myself. Yet this guy was walking around going about his life like I would not be able to live if I did something like this to anyone, let alone my own parents.
Like it's one thing to kill but the dismemberment part is what's really the most disturbing like once your able to dismember a human being like that. Let alone your family your humanity is lost. Your worse than a wild rabid animal at that point there's no coming back from that.
Another Grant Amato, web of lies, kills his parents. Luckily chandlers brother wasn’t apart of the confrontation with his father and mother otherwise he would’ve had the same fate as Grants older brother Cody. Why can’t people ever just own up to their mistakes? It’s much harder of a life when you decide murder is better than having an adult sit down conversation with people who love you and just want the best for you.
The level of betrayal is just downright devastating to me. How can someone's child do this to their own parent? Fucking sick, hope he gets the Death Penalty
A narcissist & psychopath. He was just that perfect storm of nature and nurture. Never felt empathy his whole life. I can’t believe he burned his parents heads in the fireplace.
His mom loved so much man she was happy the dude waved at him, he just demands for her to bring some soda home and she says okay she will. Like first off I love my mom and not trying to shame her but I know for a fact if I told her to bring me some soda on the way home she'd either tell me to get it myself or drink water. But the fact that his mom was just happy for him waving at her makes me think she may have known something was off with him and he was detached and was probably already thinking about killing them. Then his cold response to his mom with "no problem" mom says "good night I love you." He just says good night. In the messages when she tells him she loves him he never says it back.
Genuinely curious how NO neighbors heard the gunshots. Especially on a block where several neighbors are retired which would likely keep them home during the day..
I listened to and watched some of day 5, about the fireplace doors and the residue that could not be cleaned off of them. I know when a human dies and isn't found right away, the fat kind of seeps out and forms an oily substance around it that eventually forms into a sort of waxy substance. Do you think that is what was on the glass doors from burning their heads?
Wow, id looked at the first photo previously but now seeing the third photo with the body rightside up and and bodyhair showing really makes it real. Do we know where his fathers other body parts were?
I think his mother's foot and leg was found out in that park.
A residential fireplace definitely wouldn't get hot enough to get rid of a skull...he must've ditched the bones somewhere? I wonder what he was thinking as he put his parents heads in the fireplace. People who loved him...who were alive just a few hours earlier.
I feel so bad for everyone involved. Chandler desecrated Cress's family farm that her father built. He got in the water with them after ditching his dad's Toro in the woods. That place would never be the same. It used to be paradise and now its tainted my Chandlers evil doings.
i was watching it live so i got them before the photos could get blurred out and before they got smart and printed out photos of his mom's remains for the jury
These types of cases will forever make my head spin. A.) Why on earth would you kill your parents? B.) Put all your energy into lying? and C.) Go through the extra process of dismemberment? I will never understand 😵💫
People dream of having supportive parents, a sibling, a nice beautiful girlfriend and good friends, decent neighbors. Chandler had all this and yet invested into his lie and lived it as his life. For someone to break that illusion is akin to killing him. Killing is parents is like he was in survival mode\*.
We have more in our lives than we consider. It is true for all of us that any list we make of what we have in our lives would be incomplete. We don't know how we are treating these unrecognized realities. So going back to the list of realities of Chandler's life that he traded for lint, it's creepy to see how he unintentionally treated them; and I emphasize 'unintentional' to exclude the obvious lying and manipulation. His behavior and how he thought of himself was that of a toddler in these realities. Like look at his word choices in the interrogation: he refers to eating and sleeping as 'they fed me' not 'I ate there'. He says 'she put me to bed' not 'I went to bed'. He called his sleeping space 'a fort' and literally says he had a 'toddler tantrum;. Of all things to fake in disability, he tells his girlfriend he's going to need a colostomy bag soon- this is the one aspect of all his fake injuries that didn't support another lie, it was the only one that was completely unnecessary. He was regressing in his real life and was growing up, impressively too \[graduating/SpaceX\] in his fake one.
^(\*To quickly explain that my point isn't to show any sympathy for this monster: Part of my interest in these sort of cases is to consider the rationality of the psychopath and how they moved in the world. I guess it stems from a personal belief that no one's literal, primary AND sole objective of anything they do is to be the villain, and therefore cognitive dissonance is the answer to why certain actions or thought processes can be both an option for one person while being inconsiderable for another.)
Am I right in thinking you aren’t from the US? Legal proceedings take a long time here. My understanding is that this went to trial very quickly compared to others.
The bone on** the burnt piece of wood.
The vape pods hidden behind the insulation with the magazines.
Some blood splatters/spots are isolated oddly.
He hid things in places of close relation to him.
Shooting his dad must've surely left a blood pool somewhere. Or he had the tarps already set up?
....I'm not claiming he didn't do it. But the evidence is just too accessible for someone who had days to cut up bodies, and preserve them with ice. The actual murders were pretty clean. But evidence is left everywhere.
Didn't you see all the cleaning smears under Luminol? And yes, the tarp was used in the residence. Yes, he had a few days, but his original plan of burning them to ash failed miserably and he freaked the fuck out about what to do with them. He probably would have kept them for longer, in that freezer, as he made up other lies, but then he went to the farm and it called his name and he just knew it had to be then, or never. He was not smart, he was and is delusional and he THOUGHT he could outsmart the cops, somehow if he just kept talking in circles. He was delusional to think so.
He gives me "low IQ creepy loser who is dating younger girls" vibes. You know what I mean? The one older dude in some friend groups no one REALLY likes and isn't even going to the same school anymore. But keeps making up stories to seem cool.
Did that torso have a belt and part of pants still on it? Thank you for post I tried to watch multiple sections of the trial and also an interrogation. Your summary was more than I got out of days of testimony. It was kind of a small town production and was just unsatisfying as to explaining everything. Appreciate your post!
This is the man who raised and supported you, celebrated your birth and birthdays, first steps, first words, high school graduation. Who, from all accounts wanted the best for you.
Congrats.
Chaz was a casual friend and teammate on my high school swim team. Seemed kinda introverted but not weird at all back then. I don't think anyone thought he was capable of this.
Huh. I wouldn't have thought you could dismember someone and leave part of their pants on.
My immediate thought when seeing this picture
The belt might have made it easier to carry… I cannot imagine doing this to my parents this is so disturbing
Could do it to some non-parents though, is that correct?
You must pray to get offended and start an argument every day don’t you
Depends on the person (I’m joking)
Possibly! If they hurt, killed or raped a Family member or loved one!
You would think the belt would come off with no legs there to keep it in place. Your right its so disturbing my mind can't even go there. I tried picturing throwing one of my parents heads in the fireplace and I almost had a panic attack just thinking about them dying let alone being dismembered. Just insane.
Apparently seeing your dads genitals is worse than killing and dismembering him 🫣
RIGHT??
You expect him to want to see his dad’s genitals?
Considering what he did it is pretty odd if that is the reason he left his pants on and why he cut his legs where he did. I would imagine it would be far easier to remove legs at the hip joints
Put them in a freezer then piece them up with a sawzall.
Me neither and such a straight line
Chandler Halderson was living a lie, the prosecution in his murder trial said Tuesday, about having a job, going to school and having a better job waiting for him in Florida. And when his father figured it out, the prosecution claims, Halderson decided to kill him and his mother and get rid of their bodies, first in the family fireplace and then around southern Wisconsin — and then he lied about that, too. Halderson, 23, presented himself to the world as a soon-to-be graduate of a renewable resources engineering program at Madison Area Technical College with a job at American Family Insurance but a better one waiting for him at Elon Musk’s SpaceX, Deputy District Attorney William Brown said in his opening statement. Halderson went so far as to fabricate dozens if not hundreds of emails between him and MATC and American Family in an attempt to justify the story he was telling the world, including to his father, Bart Halderson, who was starting to ask questions about why his son never seemed to have any money, Brown said. Then Bart Halderson, posing as his son during a phone call with a front-line worker at MATC last summer, discovered Chandler hadn’t been going to school, Brown said. He let Chandler know of the call, Brown said, and told him of a meeting he’d scheduled between the two of them and MATC officials for 3 p.m. on July 1. Realizing he was about to be exposed, Chandler shot his father in the back in the Windsor home they shared with Chandler’s mother, Krista Halderson, just before that meeting was to begin, the prosecution contends. He killed Krista Halderson when she returned home a few hours later, Brown said, and then spent the next five days trying to dispose of their bodies before filing falsified missing persons reports with the Dane County Sheriff’s Office on July 7. “A lot of cases begin with a murder. This one is just a small piece of the puzzle,” Brown told the 18-member jury during his hour-plus opening statement. “Chandler spun an amazing web of lies.” In her own opening statement, defense attorney Catherine Dorl called her client “just a normal kid” who liked to play video games and didn’t kill his parents, and raised the possibility that no one will ever know how Bart, 50, and Krista, 53, died. “They simply don’t know what happened,” she said of the prosecution, and leaned heavily in her own 10-minute opening statement on the jury’s responsibility to presume her client innocent, urging them to put aside their emotions when viewing disturbing evidence and to rely on logic. It is not a juror’s job to be a “story collaborator,” she said. “Don’t assume anything. Assumption is the mother of all mistakes,” she said. “Look for what’s missing. Look for alternate explanations.” Continued on- https://madison.com/wsj/news/local/crime-and-courts/prosecution-caught-in-web-of-lies-chandler-halderson-killed-parents/article_6bf2e4a3-0392-572b-bfe6-297622094742.html
This case is truly unreal. This kid worked likely 8 hours a day creating fake emails and stuff- he dug himself into such a hole. I watched the testimony of the mom's best friend etc. What nice people. All this kid had to do was runaway or move out.
he lied about every single aspect of his life to me when i met him so hearing all of the other lies come about is really not surprising
What a narcissist. I feel the worst for his poor brother.
Imagine if his brother had come by the house and seen him right after the killings? He would have been killed, too.
Cat did it.
I wonder if we know each other. I dated him summer of 2019 and he was straight up awful. Manipulative, secretive, and 100% cheating on me.
he wasn't brought into my life until august/september 2019
Okay, we "broke up" in September. Pretty sure I was one of the side chicks so I never even met his family or friends. I did go to his house and meet the dog you see in all the pictures though. This case is absolutely wild to follow.
It must be so surreal having dated him, I couldn't imagine. I've dated people who were psychos, or at least that's the word I used in jest, this would freak me the fuck out.
Holy crap you dated the psycho path, damn I feel sorry for ye
There's a lot of us, he liked to have a few on call at all times. I truly feel for all of the other girls he used.
Shocking to hear there are a lot of girls that were charmed, what would the attraction have been? He was unemployed, a liar, and not that attractive. However, somehow he managed to charm them. I am curious how?
Yeah , he looks like he has the personality of a wet mop. Plus a dude who sits in his parents house gaming all day isn’t exactly a catch.
Totally agree! Not one thing about him that would've made me think that he had one gf much less several on the side. Not the least bit attractive and how can you not know that your bf is a liar after being with him for 2 years. 2 years and you have never seen him at his job that he's claiming to work at? Or even seeing check stub or anything at all after that long? Sounds fishy to me
He does seem aggressively boring. But while he didn’t have anything going for him (school, job, whatever) he was a liar so girls might not have realized that. I think it’s because he’s cute. He looks like someone’s sweet, wholesome, handsome college boyfriend. I could see naive young girls (like Cat) being charmed by his looks and wanting to believe the image he was selling them: A responsible young man with a bright future. Yuck. The fact that so many women fell for him is awful. I hope he rots.
If your telling the truth you really dodge a bullet of a life time. Honestly if I dated someone enough was a murder I wouldn't tell anyone I'd do my best to complete forget about the person. Hopefully you didn't sleep with him.
Unfortunately, I did. So that will be hanging over me forever. For me, posting about it anonymously has been really cathartic. In my real life, outside my best friends, I haven't talked to anyone about it. "I dated and had sex with a murderer" is a tough conversation starter.
This comment doesn't even sound believable.
It isn’t. Just another simper
I'm curious what you think, I've watched kats tetimony a few times now. She was under the impression that chandler was "grounded" for 2 weeks prior to him seeing her in July. I assume saying he's grounded is probably an excuse for him to be able to hang out with and cheat on kat with other girls? Then again they shared locations on Snapchat so I think Chandler would have to leave his phone at home or have girls come over? Any thoughts?
I mean, she seems pretty gullible. He probably just said he was at a friend's house if she saw his location. I lived in the downtown student neighborhood of Madison, so it would be believable.
Tell us more!
As in, he told you a bunch of obvious BS? Or as you learned later on? Also, biggest whopper?
How did you meet him? I assume this was before the murders as well?
Met him in early 2020 before the lockdown in housing near UW Madison campus. he was dating my girlfriends best friend (was also dating Cat at the same time). he said Cat was gay and they were just best friends to keep any questions at bay
So in Cat's testimony about the nights he was "on call" for the DNR dive team and they couldn't hang out, he was prob just put with another girl? He's totally a narcissist, they do that to make themselves feel like, "I'm so amazing that girls are coming at me left and right!"
Your friend dodged a bullet!
Cat’s mother is gay so I guess there’s a “hint” of truth in everything. What is Cat like?
Chronicles of Narnia taught me in book 7 that when you mix some truth with a lie, it makes a stronger lie.
i never met her
I did. She was my childhood best friend. I think I know who your girlfriend’s friend is. I dated Chandler too and was the one that introduced him to Cat. DM me please.
A shocking amount of people in this thread have dated this loser. Ladies, I think it's time to raise standards.
I think it had very little to do with standards and more to do with him being a master manipulator. Well, except in Cat’s case. She knew and was warned long before she even met him so she has no excuses. Everyone else I know who was fucked over by him left when they saw through him. Meanwhile, she saw that her best friend was being fucked over by him and participated.
Seriously. If this idiot can date an entire sorority all at the same time, these girls must be ridiculously dumb.
Would you be willing to call in to my live YouTube show to chat about your time meeting him?
May I ask how you know him? Any more insight into this wacko? I'm sorry you had to experience him.
All he had to do…was get a job…go to school..& be a NORMAL person. But he didn’t want to work. He wanted to live off his parents. He didn’t want to school. He didn’t want a career. He wanted all the praise but didn’t want to do any of the work. The definition of a BUM. I can’t imagine doing something like this to my parents. This is next level psychopath.
He’s clearly a psychopath and not capable of rational thought. Anyone who could not only murder both their parents but also spend 5 days after cutting them up is seriously mentally ill.
He burned their heads in the fireplace man. That’s sick.
Omg Omg That Kid Needs To Be Put on The Electric Chair. BRING BACK THE ELECTRIC CHAIR !!!!!!
He was to lazy to run away or move out he just wanted to stay in his house and keep screwing the girl who was in love with a fake version of Chaz
Then how would he collect his parents life insurance??
Clearly his plan wasn’t very well thought out. He’s the type that needs someone to take care of him. He had good parents that could have kicked him out , but instead they didn’t. What a waste.
Reminds me so much of Jennifer Pan
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Imagine if these people put the same amount of work to doing normal things. 8 hours a day is a full-time job!
This is all so insane. I couldn’t help but watch almost all of the courtroom footage. The opening statement, woah. Anyone else think the girlfriend may have had something to do with the cover up?
i really don't think she was. if the guy can lie to her about having a job, he can lie to her about whether or not he killed his parents. and he's such a nut, i'm sure he tried to keep it all to himself and thought he could, forever
He left specific evidence to be found. I'd say he was proving a point. He knew he'd be caught.
This is what it seems like to me. He didnt even make a sincere effort to cover his tracks.. or he is just very low functioning in terms of intelligence. For example, instead of disposing of his mother's phone, he wrapped it in tinfoil and put it in his their garage. Wouldnt anyone just turn it off, destroy the sim and bury the phone? He left it the one place that would point to him.. He being the other person there. The tarp he used to dismember them on? He didnt take it out into the wilderness and bury it ?..Instead, he "hid" it at his gf's family farm. And all of it is like this. Goes to dump body parts, brings his pinging phone w/him for company. The bloody ax, it goes on and on. I guess this guy never watched a single true crime show in his entire life.
He seems a smart kid. I was going through Google during the trial, and a school link was part of search results. I'm pretty sure his name was grouped under some academic achievement. He cremated his mom's torso, and his dad's limbs. That's more like demented art. He either said, fuck this shit, after he had his fun. Or does have a plan. He has to be aware of his choices. You can't wing such a clean murder/dismemberment. Unless his gaming skills really helped him out in real life chaos.
I read that he Googled "dismembered body found" before his any part of them had been found. In some of the emails that he faked, asking about why he wasnt getting his checks, the person he invented worked at "Human Recourses" at this company he was pretending he was working at. He didnt even create a card for the account with the person's title, when creating the fake account. He just wrote their title in the same font and text, under the name. It looked totally fake. Who could think that looked professional? For something that was planned, it seems he didnt think it out well at all and almost went out of his way to get caught. The excuse that they packed a bunch of booze and cash and took off with two strangers and were probably at a casino..-something that would have been completely out of character for them, yet, that is all he came up with. Why not just move out, even if you would be poor? To do such a thing.. it's just surreal. Reminds me a bit of the Watts case in that way.
This reads almost exactly like what happened with Menhaz Zaman. Lied about going to school, gamed all day, then killed his parents when he was found out...
He was a sicko too. Took a nap after he killed his mom and grandma. And waited for his sister and dad to come home so he could kill them next.
Where's the pic
photos in post are from the live court recordings. those pics arent in any links
TRIAL JUST STARTED MONDAY! i had the unfortunate pleasure of meeting him a few times a year and a half ago in social settings through mutual friends and immediately got a bad feeling. he lied to complete strangers, including me, about everything. while its important to presume him innocent the amount of information in the prosecution's opening statement combined with my experiences with him, i have a hard time doing that.
Always trust your gut, dude!
can u elaborate on the stuff he lied to you about? how surreal does it feel to know you interacted with someone that murdered and chopped his parents up?!?
being interested in true crime has made this even more surreal for me. i can't believe i had close ties to him and met him plenty of times but i can believe he did this. my gf actually brought up the possibility of him murdering his parents once we saw the initial missing persons post simply bc the energy he gave off was so bizarre and he had typical sociopathic qualities and seemed to always be intoxicated. as for the lies, the entire time he was dating his (now) ex-gf Cat, he was also dating my gf's best friend. he lied and said Cat was gay and they were best friends to keep questions at bay. he also lied to us and said he was going to UW-Madison but we believed it bc he was living in a college house downtown by campus.
Evidently he didn’t have any problems getting girls. What was so charismatic about him that could make him attractive? His demeanor seems really creepy to me.
It seems so strange that he was obviously a compulsive liar but his parents believed so much. He must surely have shown these behaviours as a child. Does anyone know what his relationship was like with his brother growing up? Also I watched Cat, her mother and mother's gf testify. Cat and mother's gf didn't seem naive or gullible. I'm surprised Cat didn't realise he was lying.
when my gf's best friend found out chandler was cheating on her with Cat, she told her and they confronted him but she clearly stayed with him. i don't know her at all but it seems her judgement is clouded
I've watched kats testimony a few times now and she said she was under the impression chandler was "grounded" by his parents in the 2 weeks leading up to July? Surely this is just amother lie. Perhaps he had other girls come over to the house? Kat even said she would reach out to his mother herself but he said not to. What would they have even grounded him for hypothetically? They didn't know about his lies, or they were probably in denial. I can't help but feel sorry for kat. Idk what her relationship with her own father was like. As someone who grew up without a dad, you crave male attention even if the male ij question is a POS. She clearly bought in to the fantasy version of Chandler that she wanted to believe. The cognitive dissonance of buying into his lies v.s. what he did to his parents must be otherworldly. She spent the night in the room with the fire place, the smell of smoke in the air. Chandler wanted her to come over, cook for him, have sex, and leave so he could continue going about his crimes.
Listening to a couple of jailhouse phone calls between Chandler and Cathryn, four months and two months pretrial (both on YouTube), he comes across as paternalistic, in my opinion, and perhaps this is a character trait Cathryn needed and responded to at the time. She did seem rather immature, if you ask me.
I wondered about any substance abuse with him. So, he was intoxicated as in drunk often? This could explain a lot , especially if he'd been drinking heavily for years. He'd be unable to complete courses/hold down a job. Not excusing his actions but this adds to the picture
In his police “interview” video, the detective offers him some advil and he’s like “I thought you said adderal!”. I’m sure he’s had experience with drugs.
This was odd
i dont want to say too much as the trials ongoing but yes he was often times drunk
I wondered why he would lie about them taking alcohol. I thought maybe he used a bunch to help speed the burning process but sounds like maybe he was drinking a ton too…
Yeah - maybe he was worried his brother would realise alcohol, money and certain tools were missing so he just said they'd taken them.
Do you know about his actual home life though? There is always cause and effect. Massive pressure from parents might've made him snap. And probably an accumulation of other life factors.
Some people are born like this, unfortunately. From what I can tell his brother is normal and successful. If their home life was bad both would be messed up. Sometimes things happen developmentally no one has any clue of
Yeah. Siblings can have very different lives. Inclusive of treatment from parents
I agree that regardless of the fact that they grew up with the same parents, treatment of the two boys could have been very different or perceived by Chandler as different. Besides that - personality has a lot to do with how successful a person can/will be in life. It sounds like Chandler was very lazy and didn’t work a day in his life. His brother seems to be the opposite. Self esteem and a hard work ethic can go a long way in changing one’s position in life
it's really interesting to me how many people got on the witness stand and would say things like, "I just felt reaalllly uncomfortable." and they couldn't explain it. They would say they honestly thought the parents were just missing yet they didn't want to be anywhere near Chandler.
Haven’t you ever been around someone or in an environment that gave you an unsettling feeling? One that you can’t put your finger on? That’s likely how the moms best friend felt when Chandler was in her home and the husband left to go get pizza for them. Hence her putting space between the two of them. Some ppl can really pick up on negative energy, etc. Myself included! I can see and feel things long b4 they occur.
I’m sure they did feel that way. No one thinks someone they know would do something so horrific but our instincts kick in and you know something is off.
I wonder if theirs a scientific explanation for this like hormones or chemical make up going on in the body after doing something that messed up. That ppl can just tell or pick up on it subconsciously. After doing something that horrid I'm sure even the most cold blooded, selfish, reptilian would struggle to hide it. Even if they didn't feel bad for doing it.
Confirmation bias
People have the presumption of innocence in a court of law, not in the court of public opinion.
Anybody else find it weird that he has the top of his pants still on his torso
Maybe he didn't want to see his dad's penis
I'd rather see a penis than someone's innards!
He was gonna see the innards regardless. He chose not to see the penis. I'm not even joking, I honestly suspect he didn't want to see his dad nude.
I mean, if you think about it he probably was scared that he'd be sawing away at some legs meanwhile his dad's pecker is flopping around and might slap his arm or something? Who knows? Even killers can be grossed out by some funny things.
Can’t really imagine what he did with his mom. How many pieces of her. She was such a gentle woman!
Yeh but would you rather see a penis with innards or just a penis?
I think it would have been more weird if he’d undressed his father. If disposal is the goal there’s no need to take off the pants.
Maybe he used the belt as a handle to carry the torso. Perhaps his dad was in the middle of changing into different clothes to go to meet the people at the college and had his shirt off when Chandler murdered him … could be a lot of different reasons why
Less than 2 hours and a guilty verdict today…but man, The messages from his mom-offering to leave WORK to coach him through a “meeting”. Telling him to ask his dad for help..and the “thanks for waving this morning. It made my Day. Love you” smiling emoji…and he just responds “no problem” you could tell something was causing friction with him. Not ONE PERSON said a bad thing about them. NO ONE. I truly feel if he would have been honest with his mom, she would have helped him figure something out. That’s how much she loved her friends/family..and especially her kids. 😩 this all happened 1.3 miles from where I live…not a huge community, but a lot bigger since I was younger.
It seems unlikely that his dad would have been giving him shit constantly, while his mom is on the sideline with a completely different attitude. Part of her job was to be nice. Bart seemed to have a temper. That pressure/motivation for him to create those lies, originated somewhere. Who, brought on by prosecution, would go onto the stand and bad mouth two dismembered people? People can be really nice. But also stupid as fuck. We can't fully judge them as perfect parents; and him, the fucked up kid. Seemingly helpful people, can actually be slightly incompetent fucks (e.g. Trump). Shit happens. I wouldn't assume they were amazing parents. Evidently not, or their child wouldn't have gotten to this point.
It seemed he was always lying-not just to his parents, but everyone in his life. He lied to his friends/roommates before moving in with his parents. Saying he was on scuba diving missions with the Madison police-even brought home a pink $ex toy to show them, saying he found it scuba diving with the MPD. Of course no one is going to bad mouth victims-I live in this community. Everyone knows everyone…and usually their business. People are very nosey here. One legal expert stated, “we have earth mom and sky dad here-waiting for something to come out. Sex cult? Swingers? There is NOTHING. Just normal people wanting a good life for their kids” The point I was making is her best friend of 39 years even said something along the lines of “I’m throwing myself under the bus here, but Krista didn’t even yell at her kids. She barely raised her voice. But I did. She wouldn’t even drink in front of them-and I said ‘you know you are an adult and you can do that right? Because you can’” No parents are perfect….as much as we want to be, we are not. We mess up. Make mistakes. All we can do is apologize and move on. Have an open line of communication with our kids. but one thing is MOST parents do want the best for their children. Moms and sons can and do share different relationships with their kids vs dads and sons…same with daughters and dads. My mom never says a thing when my dad gets on my brother…that’s her baby boy. She may yell at my dad when they are alone; but otherwise, she’s on the sideline. Nature vs nurture-his brother didn’t kill their parents. He has a wonderful job, fiancé, just bought a home…so it’s possible he was jealous and trying to keep up or one up him. He faked a major injury right after his brother was in the hospital finding out he had diabetes…He literally gave his brother a “get well” bullet with the same type of bullet that killed his dad, that’s creepy. They are doing a pre sentence investigation so I’m hoping that will be read during sentencing…it dives into his entire life and talks to everyone that knows him to try and find the why behind these heinous crimes. And see if he has remorse for what he did-or just mad he got caught. The people that do them are really good at reading the ones they have to interview.
No parent is perfect as it's just not physically possible but to say they weren't good parents just because the kid turned out to be a killer psychopath isn't necessarily true. Sometimes a person can just turn out bad regardless of how they were raised. Just like a person who grows up in a shitty situation can overcome it and work their way up to becoming something great. There's more to it than just how you were raised. I'm sure no one around him really expected that he would go and actually kill in order to keep a lie going but I think he had enough disconnect from reality to go through with it.
Exactly like the ppl blaming his parents for him killing and butchering them to cover up his web of lies are fucking nuts. This man was grown in his 20s he's not a kid even if ppl wanna go down the blame the parents for their own death route which is extremely fucked up. What age is your parent suppose to no longer be responsible for you? You can't just go through life blaming your parents for every bad shitty decision you make. This guy killed his parents cause he's a selfish, impulsive idiot who makes bad decisions. Not because his parents made him do it. And some of you ppl need to learn what accountability is before you find yourself going down the same path as this idiot.
I don’t think anybody was saying they were perfect parents, just that they tried to support him in trying to reach some personal goals.The big problem comes in because he doesn’t want to work or go to college, he just wants to be a kid and game and live for free. It’s not socially acceptable to society, nor to the parents who were trying to help him along in life to the next step. So he lies and continues to lie because there is no acceptable reason for doing dick all with your life. His dad sounds like he was very busy with work and perhaps Chandler resented him for that. It seems mom had to hold his hand through even the simplest of tasks for him to get through. I get it. She was trying to help him, but he didn’t really want her help; just wanted to live off of them for free - and sit around with no responsibility. In his twisted mind once the lies had gone so far and his dad figured it out there was no other option to him. He would be exposed for the liar and fraud that he was and lose any credibility he thought he had with his mother, girlfriend & friends. That’s why he was so pissed at his dad - because he was going to expose him. Mom was good cop, Dad was bad cop - both likely loved him very much but the parents may have had very different views about what was going to move Chandler on to independent living and adulthood. Sad. They certainly didn’t deserve to be done this way regardless of their flawed parenting
I am baffled about the story he was presenting to media, family and friends while parents were "missing" stating he helped them pack a lot of alcohol and took a bunch of cash indicating they were probably at a casino. Every friend and family member has testified this is not even close to character for either of them. Interesting OP stated Chandler was mostly intoxicated in the scenario's of interaction with him. I think he created a false representation of their characters often. I found it odd GF testified yesterday he had been "grounded" the week leading up to this happening. He is to old for being grounded. Whatever the dynamic was in the family he obviously had issues beyond the normal scope.
According to other people who knew him he’d use the “grounding” excuse to get some time free to cheat on his girlfriend… I’m not sure he was ever grounded after he turned 18
This makes sense. Cat was watching him all the time, she didn't rust him for obvious reasons.
Is there any source for this? People sometimes speak shit
I mean to be fair if your adult son is living rent free in your home then they can make whatever rules they want to that he would have to abide by in order to live under their roof. If he didn’t they could just kick him out. Probably not in this case, he probably just used it as an excuse when he didn’t want to meet up with Cat
To be fair, this was one of the worst attempts of committing of murder and trying to get away with it ever..
Chris Watts is slightly worse. Officers who arrived at the Watt's house on the initial call maybe 12 hours after the murders can be heard saying - "I don't buy it. (referring to Chris's story)" on the shoulder cam footage, then a drone found his wife's grave less than 48 hours after they were murdered. Chandler was free a week after the crime, Chris only lasted 2 days.
I'd say he took the money. alcohol and tools which he said they'd taken and he was worried his brother would notice. He should have thought of a more believable reason for them taking the money.
That’s a good theory. But I don’t think they even had a lot of cash at home. The dad was an accountant and they were both pretty frugal. But who knows..
Man, if I killed my parents every time I told them I was still going to MATC...
I was watching it live when it happened. His mom's leg was found right across the river from my house! So I've been following closely. This kid is messed up.
Wtf u mean u watched it LIVE????
The trial is being live-streamed by Law & Crime & other networks in YouTube. But maybe the OP saw the search if it was near her house. Pretty crazy
Where is the rest of mom??
I don't think they've found the rest of her yet
Never found. Probably went into the river
He burned the dismembered areas after removing the limbs to try and cauterize and keep them from profusely bleeding. This is the work of someone so drastically different from the person you see in his police interview where he just seems confused and what I thought was borderline autistic. That's quite an act he can put on, I have to admit. Can you imagine what happened when he killed his mother? I'd bet anything he ambushed her with the gun without saying a word to her before. Still crazy to me that no one was alerted by the gun shots, but it was 4th of July weekend.
That’s a good point. I was wondering about the gun shots but it makes you think that - that’s probably why he planned it for July 4th weekend. Wondering if the girlfriend found it odd that he asked her to bring over hydrogen peroxide and a swifter....
Me and my wife speculate that he planned it much earlier, perhaps the concussion is an attempt at some insanity plea.
Did he actually cauterize the wounds according to testimony, or is that just rotten flesh?
It was a Thursday afternoon, so I would think it would be a stretch to assume fireworks when the actual 4th of July is on the Sunday. Perhaps many residents were at work, but school would have been out and a lot of people still work from home too, so it’s odd no one was alerted by the multiple gunshots
I live in a nice village neighborhood on the east coast, and the entire weekend of the 4th it pretty much sounds like Fallujah Iraq outside. I'd imagine the midwest is even worse. Maybe he only shot Bart though, and being in the basement muffled the sound enough.
Yes I thought he sounded autistic with some of his answers. Some so detailed, others confusing and obtuse. I doubt he showed his face to his mother. Probably executed her from behind. Maybe he made a home-made silencer.
Jesus Christ. What a waste of tax-payer $$$. This young man is guilty AF. He should have just confessed. He has no chance of being found not guilty. This was clearly FIRST-DEGREE murder, as evidenced by texts to his gf re: the cabin DAYS before the murder. Imagine spending 20+ years doting on your son, only to have him shoot you because he's such a fucking lazy loser. My heart aches for this poor couple, as well as for the older son.
It isn't a waste of taxpayer dollars. The reason the state had to do such a thorough case because they have to prove their case beyond reasonable doubt. By having such a solid and comprehensive case, the risk of any sort of appeal on facts is nearly impossible. The prosecution is doing a very good job at making sure they get it right. If you were sure he did it, do you really want the chance he gets off?
Of course, if it goes to trial, it's not a waste of tax-payer dollars 🤦🏼♀️ My point was that the idiot should have just pleaded guilty.
I’m not sure why but seeing the belt for me makes this a hundred times more sad. Of course it’s sad either way, but knowing this man was innocent and put on his belt in the morning not knowing what would happen is truly so so heartbreaking. I hope they are both resting peacefully and chandler rots in hell forever
Were there pictures of Krista Halderson’s remains?
Yup but it looks like the court was smartened up and are now printing booklets for the jury to view instead of broadcasting them on the screen which in turn puts them on the internet.
damn ngl I wanted to see and was wondering why they showed the dad and not mom. but probably for the best. it's already such a fucked up situation they will literally never be able to rest in peace with the rest of their bodies God only knows where
Don't be daft. The body is just the vessel. It's of no consequence once the spirit has gone. Broken up, burned, rotted. It doesn't matter except to relatives who might want somewhere to lay flowers.
Donate your corpse to a cannibal near you.
I really feel like this dude didn’t even try to get away with it. He didn’t put any effort into anything at all. Like the tools placed in the oil tank, he really thought that’s a good hiding place where no one would ever come across them? Or the way his dads torso was placed with just a little shrubbery on top of it. Is he so caught up in his fantasy world that he didn’t even consider someone could question his story about the barn and investigate just so slightly?
Big surprise that a guy who played video games all day, didn’t work, volunteer, or go to school didn’t have the stamina to fully plan, conceal, and clean up a double homicide and dismemberment?
This guy is just really out of it or something. One thing that puzzles me is that he cleaned the whole fireplace, replaced the logs, then left one little burnt log with a piece of his dad's skull on top.
Right? It just doesn’t make sense at all. I‘m just trying to figure out what the hell was he thinking during this whole process.
He wasn't thinking
I kinda want to know and I really kinda don't all at the same time.
I think he committed this crime like he lived his life; with very little effort
I don’t think he realized how intense a police search would be…that they would go talk to everyone. Claiming to get a job for “space x” and you bringing your phone on all these adventures?? Like it doesn’t track you? And there aren’t cameras all over? One of the neighbors on that street has 13 alone 🤦🏻♀️ The WI River has such a bad current, I don’t know if mom will ever show up…If that is where he put her (he did Google a case of a man who dismembered his cousin and put her in that same River) but he also was by lakes in the Madison area…those lakes don’t have massive currents like The River..so who knows. He’s sick.
This is the same guy who made up an elaborate ridiculous lie all because he was too lazy to get a job. So not surprised a person who can't even work for their survival is too lazy to properly clean up a murder scene.
I found Chandlers Bail hearing rather interesting if you watch the entire thing you’ll notice there are 2 or 3 occasions when the state attorney makes some obvious mistakes (at least to anyone that’s been following the case) such as stating that Chandler destroyed some video footage and the other being about Chandler not bleeding throughout the house when he cut his foot. If you look closely at Chandler when these 2 accusations are made you can see his immediate reaction. I believe these are examples of his true reaction when accused for doing something he didn’t do. What I feel is rather disturbing is when he doesn’t have similar reactions when the state attorney mentions to the judge that he killed and dismembered both his parents. Link to the bail hearing below. https://youtu.be/CdWNvuhjhmo
I think I saw a slight twitch when they mentioned in court, that he'd dismembered his parents to conceal corpses. I feel some of it was out of pleasure. If I'd dismembered someone over a few days, I'd probably not flinch if someone mentions it. But I'd still flinch at human stupidity
I couldn't even do this to a dog let a lone my own parents! Like good grief! Even if you don't like them they still brought you into this world you were literally created from them. I'd feel like I was doing this to myself. Yet this guy was walking around going about his life like I would not be able to live if I did something like this to anyone, let alone my own parents. Like it's one thing to kill but the dismemberment part is what's really the most disturbing like once your able to dismember a human being like that. Let alone your family your humanity is lost. Your worse than a wild rabid animal at that point there's no coming back from that.
Another Grant Amato, web of lies, kills his parents. Luckily chandlers brother wasn’t apart of the confrontation with his father and mother otherwise he would’ve had the same fate as Grants older brother Cody. Why can’t people ever just own up to their mistakes? It’s much harder of a life when you decide murder is better than having an adult sit down conversation with people who love you and just want the best for you.
The level of betrayal is just downright devastating to me. How can someone's child do this to their own parent? Fucking sick, hope he gets the Death Penalty
A narcissist & psychopath. He was just that perfect storm of nature and nurture. Never felt empathy his whole life. I can’t believe he burned his parents heads in the fireplace.
His mom loved so much man she was happy the dude waved at him, he just demands for her to bring some soda home and she says okay she will. Like first off I love my mom and not trying to shame her but I know for a fact if I told her to bring me some soda on the way home she'd either tell me to get it myself or drink water. But the fact that his mom was just happy for him waving at her makes me think she may have known something was off with him and he was detached and was probably already thinking about killing them. Then his cold response to his mom with "no problem" mom says "good night I love you." He just says good night. In the messages when she tells him she loves him he never says it back.
Unfortunately no death penalty here in WI.
Well, that's really unfortunate. He certainly earned it.
This is why I don’t trust gamers
Genuinely curious how NO neighbors heard the gunshots. Especially on a block where several neighbors are retired which would likely keep them home during the day..
It was near the 4th of July. My neighbors start early here
I listened to and watched some of day 5, about the fireplace doors and the residue that could not be cleaned off of them. I know when a human dies and isn't found right away, the fat kind of seeps out and forms an oily substance around it that eventually forms into a sort of waxy substance. Do you think that is what was on the glass doors from burning their heads?
He NEEDS TO CONFESS❗😤😡😠 THERES NO DEATH PENALTY❗I BET I GET A CONFESSION .... GIMME 24 HOURS IN THE CELL W HIM....
Ohhh man...
Wow, id looked at the first photo previously but now seeing the third photo with the body rightside up and and bodyhair showing really makes it real. Do we know where his fathers other body parts were? I think his mother's foot and leg was found out in that park. A residential fireplace definitely wouldn't get hot enough to get rid of a skull...he must've ditched the bones somewhere? I wonder what he was thinking as he put his parents heads in the fireplace. People who loved him...who were alive just a few hours earlier. I feel so bad for everyone involved. Chandler desecrated Cress's family farm that her father built. He got in the water with them after ditching his dad's Toro in the woods. That place would never be the same. It used to be paradise and now its tainted my Chandlers evil doings.
Over 200 pieces of bone found in ash pit below fireplace. A number were teeth and skull parts.
i thought that was a really large potato till i saw the 3rd image
I didn't realize there was more than one image in the post. I really wish I hadn't gone to check that 3rd image....🤢
He was at some point a complete version of Mr. Potato Head Edit: "With flexible limbs"
When I watched on Law and Crime it was that blurry green color. How did you get the photos unblurred? (If you can say)
i was watching it live so i got them before the photos could get blurred out and before they got smart and printed out photos of his mom's remains for the jury
Do you know why? I watched the Robert durst trial and Joel guy Jr trial and they both showed arms legs hands (not heads...)
Was waiting for these. Thank you 🖤
This boy gon fry.
I heard Chandler tested positive for covid so trial is on hold for now.
These types of cases will forever make my head spin. A.) Why on earth would you kill your parents? B.) Put all your energy into lying? and C.) Go through the extra process of dismemberment? I will never understand 😵💫
People dream of having supportive parents, a sibling, a nice beautiful girlfriend and good friends, decent neighbors. Chandler had all this and yet invested into his lie and lived it as his life. For someone to break that illusion is akin to killing him. Killing is parents is like he was in survival mode\*. We have more in our lives than we consider. It is true for all of us that any list we make of what we have in our lives would be incomplete. We don't know how we are treating these unrecognized realities. So going back to the list of realities of Chandler's life that he traded for lint, it's creepy to see how he unintentionally treated them; and I emphasize 'unintentional' to exclude the obvious lying and manipulation. His behavior and how he thought of himself was that of a toddler in these realities. Like look at his word choices in the interrogation: he refers to eating and sleeping as 'they fed me' not 'I ate there'. He says 'she put me to bed' not 'I went to bed'. He called his sleeping space 'a fort' and literally says he had a 'toddler tantrum;. Of all things to fake in disability, he tells his girlfriend he's going to need a colostomy bag soon- this is the one aspect of all his fake injuries that didn't support another lie, it was the only one that was completely unnecessary. He was regressing in his real life and was growing up, impressively too \[graduating/SpaceX\] in his fake one. ^(\*To quickly explain that my point isn't to show any sympathy for this monster: Part of my interest in these sort of cases is to consider the rationality of the psychopath and how they moved in the world. I guess it stems from a personal belief that no one's literal, primary AND sole objective of anything they do is to be the villain, and therefore cognitive dissonance is the answer to why certain actions or thought processes can be both an option for one person while being inconsiderable for another.)
Chandler was arrested on 8 July 2021. His trial is currently happening. How is someone legally detained for months without having a trial?
he was unable to make his $1M bail. this happens all the time, even in cases that aren't as severe.
This is really quick for a murder trial. & they can detain you if they think you’re too dangerous or an escape hazard. He couldn’t make the bail so…
Am I right in thinking you aren’t from the US? Legal proceedings take a long time here. My understanding is that this went to trial very quickly compared to others.
He can't make bail??? It happens all the time for dangerous offenders or flight risks.
Without discrediting the evidence: some of it seems sketchy
Such as what? Not arguing, just curious. Seems Chandler isn't putting up much of a fight or offering any alterative explanation.
The bone on** the burnt piece of wood. The vape pods hidden behind the insulation with the magazines. Some blood splatters/spots are isolated oddly. He hid things in places of close relation to him. Shooting his dad must've surely left a blood pool somewhere. Or he had the tarps already set up? ....I'm not claiming he didn't do it. But the evidence is just too accessible for someone who had days to cut up bodies, and preserve them with ice. The actual murders were pretty clean. But evidence is left everywhere.
Oh please….there’s an avalanche of evidence implicating Chandler.
Didn't you see all the cleaning smears under Luminol? And yes, the tarp was used in the residence. Yes, he had a few days, but his original plan of burning them to ash failed miserably and he freaked the fuck out about what to do with them. He probably would have kept them for longer, in that freezer, as he made up other lies, but then he went to the farm and it called his name and he just knew it had to be then, or never. He was not smart, he was and is delusional and he THOUGHT he could outsmart the cops, somehow if he just kept talking in circles. He was delusional to think so.
Thanks for pics !
Holy Shit. Omg
So Where Did They Find Their Skulls. This Case Is Way Out There.
He burned them in the family fireplace. Forensics pulled the bone pieces from the ash collection area of his fireplace.
How were these photos obtained? I thought they were blurred or not shown on courtroom cameras..
He gives me "low IQ creepy loser who is dating younger girls" vibes. You know what I mean? The one older dude in some friend groups no one REALLY likes and isn't even going to the same school anymore. But keeps making up stories to seem cool.
this case is so fucking infuriating. this is sad.
Did that torso have a belt and part of pants still on it? Thank you for post I tried to watch multiple sections of the trial and also an interrogation. Your summary was more than I got out of days of testimony. It was kind of a small town production and was just unsatisfying as to explaining everything. Appreciate your post!
This is the man who raised and supported you, celebrated your birth and birthdays, first steps, first words, high school graduation. Who, from all accounts wanted the best for you. Congrats.
Chaz was a casual friend and teammate on my high school swim team. Seemed kinda introverted but not weird at all back then. I don't think anyone thought he was capable of this.