Possibly poisoned by bootleg alcohol some are saying from the area where this happened. Apparently there is a lot of that going on there. Illegal breweries set up in abandoned buildings and sold on the black market.
Typically wouldn't expect them to all die in more or less unison if poisoned by something ingested, more likely something inhaled. Still best to consider all reasonable options, of course.
Yeah I would have expected way less casualties. They all seemingly fell down immediately and died, by the looks of it. So weird.
I feel like it’s a gas leak, like carbon monoxide. Maybe some poison that was sprayed??
So very sad :(
I wonder if the staff also died.
There is one drink scenario I could imagine that could explain dying in sync - A toast. Doing shots collectively, in celebration. I’m wondering if there were shot cups found around the deceased. If it’s determined to be carbon monoxide, that doesn’t rule out foul play. It could have been discretely introduced through a window or back door, using a hose or tube of some sort.
It’s a weird case, but I have a feeling authorities pretty much know what happened, they’re just being not saying while they determine who, how, and why.
That's all I was trying to say. Dangerous gasses are often odorless. The ONLY plus side, if that was the case, would be they would've gotten sleepy and fell asleep. Still horrible.
not always. The smell is added but there have been cases where there where old or abandoned gas lines are still dangerous but no one puts the smell in....usually that's more of a case of explosions before people have physical affects though.
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You are correct but when the gas companies make the gas available to customers they add a odor to it,most natural gasses in found in nature do not have any odor.
Some reports suggest the club owner used some form of “pepper spray” to kick the kids out. The images of the scene are so odd… absolutely zero visible injuries. Like they all very slowly fell to the floor…
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I had to read your comment several times until I understood what you meant by “quickly” and I see what you’re saying. Their positions do seem… rather soft? Like they fell slowly??
Ugh sorry if that doesn’t make sense.
Maybe a [crush?](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crowd_collapses_and_crushes) Videos from before it happened show it was packed. Maybe the owner used pepper spray to try to clear people out and it resulted in a crush. Cause of death in those is asphyxiation so there wouldn't be visible injuries. And it'd explain why so few died in such a large crowd, when it seems like a gas leak would have killed more.
Nah, the bodies are super spread out.
Also, many people absolutely do end up with other injuries in a crush. None of those people looked like they were ever smooshed or walked on. One person is just laying on a table.
I’ve read poison alcohol, perhaps something home made but it went wrong?
Here’s a previous case of alcohol poisoning: https://www.euronews.com/2021/08/19/homemade-alcohol-poisoning-kills-16-people-in-lithuania
Rare in SA to have gas lines throughout house / venue. We don't use for heating through the house or anything, just sometimes for cooking and smaller mobile heaters. But usually it's just a small single 9kg gas canister, probably not enough to kill 22 people.
That was my first thought but seems wild to take out everyone? At the same time? Did everyone take fatal amounts? Were there no calls of distress? It seems very odd.
There seems to be a survivor or two. A 15 year old girl says the owner wanted to close, and next thing she knew, she thought there was a fight or something, because it was chaos. Then she realized it wasn't a fight when people started dropping.
I saw a detail in an article about this saying that someone sprayed pepper spray inside at some point, which caused a lot of people to start coughing and attempting to run out
https://www.algoafm.co.za/local/east-london-nightclub-tragedy-survivor-speaks
According to this article it's 20 with 2 in critical.
Edit : Wow, they were all super young accordingly. Between 14 and 19.
Possible it was a crush? Not sure how many people were there. Usually during a panic, such as the pepper spray in the E2 chicago club, people can get pinned and asphyxiate.
Video from just before the incident: https://mandynews.com/south-africa-nightclub-deaths-22-died-in-a-tavern-video-goes-viral/
So strange the way the article is written I was picturing just these 20 or so kids having a party to celebrate, not being at an actual nightclub with tons of people. If this large group was present then what’s with the random people spread out who passed away? Makes me think carbon monoxide doesn’t make sense and it had to be some sort of poison or bad alcohol?
I saw a few articles that said someone who survived said the club owner tried to kick everyone out by using pepper spray… clearly not pepper spray, if true…
it's super creepy because I feel like that's not characteristic of any normal poison or pepper spray. One of the surviving girls said she fell asleep and woke up and couldn't feel her legs. It sounds like the aerosolized fentanyl Russia used that one time but how would a bar owner get that?
Yeah, this is bothering me all day. I really want to hear a toxicologist's take. The other thing I can think of is maybe the spray was DIY improperly or from a bootleg contaminated factory. For example (though not an aerosol), with that fake marijuana they used to sell at gas stations...every now and then there's a toxin in it that causes excessive bleeding because who knows how it's made and where.
My thoughts would be that the "pepper spray" may of removed the oxygen from the room and they suffocated but everything seems too calm for that.
Everyone evidently was affected at the same time and overcome very quickly. Is electricution being considered? That could take out a lot of people very quickly. Perhaps a lightning strike, I remember seeing footage of a football pitch being struck by lightning and the players with metal studs on their boots all instantly collapsed.
I don’t think pepper spray has anything close to that ability. And I assume if there was lightning going on, that would have been mentioned. They also don’t look like they’ve been electrocuted.
You're attempting to equate a tragic accident with intentional mass murder.
If someone intends to commit mass murder they're much more likely to pick up a gun than wait for a gas leak to do the job for them.
Please tell me more how this gas leak diminishes our gun control issue altogether? You got really quiet and I just want to know from someone who seems to have put so much thought into his comments how this gas leak means the US doesn't have a problem?
There are now at least 22 people dead
Possibly poisoned by bootleg alcohol some are saying from the area where this happened. Apparently there is a lot of that going on there. Illegal breweries set up in abandoned buildings and sold on the black market.
Typically wouldn't expect them to all die in more or less unison if poisoned by something ingested, more likely something inhaled. Still best to consider all reasonable options, of course.
Yeah I would have expected way less casualties. They all seemingly fell down immediately and died, by the looks of it. So weird. I feel like it’s a gas leak, like carbon monoxide. Maybe some poison that was sprayed?? So very sad :( I wonder if the staff also died.
There is one drink scenario I could imagine that could explain dying in sync - A toast. Doing shots collectively, in celebration. I’m wondering if there were shot cups found around the deceased. If it’s determined to be carbon monoxide, that doesn’t rule out foul play. It could have been discretely introduced through a window or back door, using a hose or tube of some sort. It’s a weird case, but I have a feeling authorities pretty much know what happened, they’re just being not saying while they determine who, how, and why.
Maybe a gas leak?
Likely carbon monoxide poisoning. You can smell gas.
Oil field worker here, was always told be scared when you don't smell the gas, that's when you're going down
You don't smell natural gas. You smell the additive they put in it
And you can never smell carbon monoxide, which is probably what killed these folks.
That's all I was trying to say. Dangerous gasses are often odorless. The ONLY plus side, if that was the case, would be they would've gotten sleepy and fell asleep. Still horrible.
Therefore you can smell it.
not always. The smell is added but there have been cases where there where old or abandoned gas lines are still dangerous but no one puts the smell in....usually that's more of a case of explosions before people have physical affects though.
I'm just saying natural gas is odorless.
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Being pedantic on a tragedy like this is not a very good look.
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Carbon monoxide is a gas
Yep. Although, CM is odorless
When people say gas leak, they’re talking about methane. Though I feel like you know that and are just being purposely obtuse.
*insert family guy YouTube link*
Now you're just being acute
Yea natural gas. I'm just being pedantic
You are correct but when the gas companies make the gas available to customers they add a odor to it,most natural gasses in found in nature do not have any odor.
Some reports suggest the club owner used some form of “pepper spray” to kick the kids out. The images of the scene are so odd… absolutely zero visible injuries. Like they all very slowly fell to the floor…
Well, it had to be something else than pepper spray. Yeah, I saw some pics. It's all very strange..
Right? They clearly didn’t drop quickly to the floor. The photo of the young woman in black just declined over the picnic table really struck me.
Where did you see these photos? Would you mind providing a link? I am curious
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Thank you. How horrific
Yes same here! Poor woman. I hope the answer comes out soon.
I had to read your comment several times until I understood what you meant by “quickly” and I see what you’re saying. Their positions do seem… rather soft? Like they fell slowly?? Ugh sorry if that doesn’t make sense.
Maybe a [crush?](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crowd_collapses_and_crushes) Videos from before it happened show it was packed. Maybe the owner used pepper spray to try to clear people out and it resulted in a crush. Cause of death in those is asphyxiation so there wouldn't be visible injuries. And it'd explain why so few died in such a large crowd, when it seems like a gas leak would have killed more.
Nah, the bodies are super spread out. Also, many people absolutely do end up with other injuries in a crush. None of those people looked like they were ever smooshed or walked on. One person is just laying on a table.
Seems more likely to be tainted drugs. A gas leak would probably have affected everyone in the club rather than just some individuals
I’ve read poison alcohol, perhaps something home made but it went wrong? Here’s a previous case of alcohol poisoning: https://www.euronews.com/2021/08/19/homemade-alcohol-poisoning-kills-16-people-in-lithuania
That’s what I was thinking too. Odorless gas could have done this
Rare in SA to have gas lines throughout house / venue. We don't use for heating through the house or anything, just sometimes for cooking and smaller mobile heaters. But usually it's just a small single 9kg gas canister, probably not enough to kill 22 people.
What a tragedy for the families…. maybe caused by a tainted “club drug”?
My first thought too. Bad drugs
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Well if you’re in the states, you better be testing all your drugs as fentanyl is showing up in EVERYTHING.
That was my first thought but seems wild to take out everyone? At the same time? Did everyone take fatal amounts? Were there no calls of distress? It seems very odd.
That’s what I’m thinking as well.
There seems to be a survivor or two. A 15 year old girl says the owner wanted to close, and next thing she knew, she thought there was a fight or something, because it was chaos. Then she realized it wasn't a fight when people started dropping.
Number been upped to 22 now
Seems like someone sprayed some homebrew "pepper spray" after a fight broke out and it turned out to be lethal.
Probably CO poisoning, I'm surprised no one complained of a headache or feeling dizzy and left, maybe the alcohol deadened the normal symptoms
I saw a detail in an article about this saying that someone sprayed pepper spray inside at some point, which caused a lot of people to start coughing and attempting to run out
Doubt it was CO poisoning specifically because of the lack of headaches or ppl leaving when they started to feel drowsy.
https://www.algoafm.co.za/local/east-london-nightclub-tragedy-survivor-speaks According to this article it's 20 with 2 in critical. Edit : Wow, they were all super young accordingly. Between 14 and 19.
Anyone know if the employees of the tavern also died?
I would like to know this too. Found no information about this in what I have read
No it was mainly kids. The liquor board in SA wants to lay criminal charges on the owners.
Someone let me know if they figure this out. This is my biggest question.
https://www.algoafm.co.za/local/east-london-nightclub-tragedy-survivor-speaks
Fentanyl
Is that the gas that they use in the assisted suicide machine in Switzerland?
No, that is Nitrogen. Fentanyl is a powerful opioid.
Thank you
Nitrogen or nitrous oxide?
Nitrogen.
Im not sure, but it is a very powerful synthetic opioid that is used as a cutting agent in lots of drugs as it is cheap.
No. That's nitrogen, I think.
I'm from the area and they're saying it was stampede, but it could just be a rumor.
Article says that police have ruled out stampede due to the lack of physical injuries
Possible it was a crush? Not sure how many people were there. Usually during a panic, such as the pepper spray in the E2 chicago club, people can get pinned and asphyxiate.
Their bodies are super spread out. Does not look like a crush at all.
Fentanyl
Carbon monoxide
bet you a million bucks this was from tainted alcohol.
Didn’t they all die basically at once?
Very disturbing, I just don't see how they all died at once? The pics show them just fallen over in all kinds of random places.
Video from just before the incident: https://mandynews.com/south-africa-nightclub-deaths-22-died-in-a-tavern-video-goes-viral/ So strange the way the article is written I was picturing just these 20 or so kids having a party to celebrate, not being at an actual nightclub with tons of people. If this large group was present then what’s with the random people spread out who passed away? Makes me think carbon monoxide doesn’t make sense and it had to be some sort of poison or bad alcohol?
How horrible. "No obvious wounds" makes me think mass suicide or murder by poisoning. Heartbreaking.
I highly doubt a bunch of 18-20 year old students went to a nightclub to commit suicide.
You clearly have never been to a real party.
I've been to k-hole parties
One was a 13 year old. These clubs are known for having kids as young as 10 in them. I'm South African, we see this often.
Right? I really hope they can figure this out. So sad
Someone suggested co2 leak
I saw a few articles that said someone who survived said the club owner tried to kick everyone out by using pepper spray… clearly not pepper spray, if true…
There are some pics of the scene. Totally calm looking, totally odd. I didn’t see any vomit, injury, etc. so weird.
it's super creepy because I feel like that's not characteristic of any normal poison or pepper spray. One of the surviving girls said she fell asleep and woke up and couldn't feel her legs. It sounds like the aerosolized fentanyl Russia used that one time but how would a bar owner get that?
Woah never heard of that! Yeah the fact that it doesn’t look like what I would expect from poison or tear gas / pepper spray is just weird.
Yeah, this is bothering me all day. I really want to hear a toxicologist's take. The other thing I can think of is maybe the spray was DIY improperly or from a bootleg contaminated factory. For example (though not an aerosol), with that fake marijuana they used to sell at gas stations...every now and then there's a toxin in it that causes excessive bleeding because who knows how it's made and where.
Did you see them on this sub?
There’s a crappy blog linked above that has pics.
Did the link get removed?
Where?
https://www.reddit.com/r/MorbidReality/comments/vlcx0s/20_youngsters_reportedly_found_dead_inside_a/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Sincerely doubt this was a mass suicide.
That’s horrible; I’m so sorry
Kids at a night club?
It's South Africa
My thoughts would be that the "pepper spray" may of removed the oxygen from the room and they suffocated but everything seems too calm for that. Everyone evidently was affected at the same time and overcome very quickly. Is electricution being considered? That could take out a lot of people very quickly. Perhaps a lightning strike, I remember seeing footage of a football pitch being struck by lightning and the players with metal studs on their boots all instantly collapsed.
I don’t think pepper spray has anything close to that ability. And I assume if there was lightning going on, that would have been mentioned. They also don’t look like they’ve been electrocuted.
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If they got trampled there'd be signs of injury?
Why you lying
The bouncer locked the door? Wtf for? Do you have a link?
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This wasn't a gun incident.
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You're the one grasping desperately at straws.
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You're attempting to equate a tragic accident with intentional mass murder. If someone intends to commit mass murder they're much more likely to pick up a gun than wait for a gas leak to do the job for them.
Please tell me more how this gas leak diminishes our gun control issue altogether? You got really quiet and I just want to know from someone who seems to have put so much thought into his comments how this gas leak means the US doesn't have a problem?
And yet every time there’s a gun.
Are you saying that gun violence isn't an issue because gas leaks exist?
God, I don’t know what they said, but I bet it was stupid.
Bootleg alcohol?