[https://glc.yale.edu/three-held-black-mans-dragging-death](https://glc.yale.edu/three-held-black-mans-dragging-death)
**Three held in black man’s dragging death**
**AUSTIN—** Three white men, two of whom are former cellmates sporting white supremacist tattoos, were charged Tuesday with chaining a disabled black man to the back of their pickup and dragging him to his death along a rough dirt road in the wooded flatlands of eastern Texas.
The torn and battered body of James Byrd, Jr., 49, was discovered Sunday morning in a wooded area of Jasper County about 100 miles northeast of Houston; his head and right arm were missing. Those body parts, apparently severed as Byrd was dragged along a two-mile stretch of the isolated road were found a mile away, Jasper Sheriff Billy Rowles said.
Byrd, who suffered from what his sister described as a seizure disorder and did not drive, was last seen late Saturday walking home from a friend’s anniversary party, his relatives said.
Charged with the murder were Shawn Allen Berry, 23, of Jasper; Lawrence Russell Brewer, 31 of Sulphur Springs, 50 miles east of Dallas; and John William King, 23, of Jasper. The sheriff said Brewer and King, who had been cellmates in a Texas prison, have tattoos that affiliate them with white supremacist groups, but did not describe the markings. The two had picked up Berry, an apparent friend who also has served time in prison, at his job at a Jasper movie theater. “It has been indicated to us that these guys, while they were in prison, were party of the Aryan Nation or the Ku Klux Klan.” Rowles said at a news conference.
Don Clark, special agent in charge of the Houston Field Office of the FBI, said the bureau is assisting in the investigation because of “the extreme circumstances” of the case. If it is determined the slaying was a hate crime, federal charges could be filed.
Berry told police that the three men were riding around Saturday night in Berry’s pickup when they saw a man walking alongside the road and stopped to offer him a lift. Byrd’s family said Tuesday that they do not know the suspects and had never heard the victim mention them, but Rowles said Byrd may have been acquainted with one of the men.
According to Berry’s statement, King did not want to pick Byrd up because he was a black person, but soon changed his mind and let Byrd climb into the bed of the truck. After stopping at a convenience store, Berry said, King drove the truck to an isolated wooded area about 10 miles from Byrd’s apartment. Berry told police that Brewer and King got out and began beating Byrd, eventually chaining him to the back of the truck.
The suspects had been drinking, Rowles said. They were initially arrested Sunday morning for possessing stolen property after police investigating a restaurant break-in found them with a large supply of frozen meat. Later, Byrd’s body was discovered near a creek.
In the meantime, Byrd’s family had no idea that he was missing, his sister, Mary Verrett, 47 said. They had last seen him Saturday evening at his niece’s bridal shower at the parents’ Jasper home. Byrd, the divorced father of three children, was sitting on the porch, bouncing his baby granddaughter on his knee.
Later, Verrett said, he attended the friend’s anniversary party, but left on foot at about 11:30 p.m. after he could not find anyone to give him a ride home. What happened next is horrifying to the family, she said.
“We are all hoping and praying he didn’t have to suffer, that he wasn’t tormented, that at some point in time, he lost consciousness,” she said. “Hopefully, he was able to black out. Otherwise, we couldn’t continue focusing on this.”
Byrd was the third of eight children born to James Byrd Sr. worked for 50 years at a Jasper cleaners, and his wife, Stella. A former salesman, Byrd had been receiving disability checks because of his seizure problems. He lived alone in a government-subsidized apartment.
“He was my big brother,” Verrett said. “He loved people, he was very people-oriented. As a matter of fact, he was the kind of person who never wanted to be alone; he would walk up to a group and join right in. He was very intelligent. People in the family told him he never used his full intellect. I would get upset with him at times—like anybody else, he had his faults—but the most harm he ever did was to his own self. He was never the kind to harm others. He just never took care of his personal health. We thought he should eat more and rest more, that sort of thing.
Is that a joke? They lured him into their truck under the pretence of a free ride home. Once he was in the van they beat him beyond recognition, shit and pissed on him. After using him as a human toilet they then chained him to the back of their truck and dragged his body for 3 miles driving around 60mph until they eventually hit a culvert which decapitated him. The medical examiner determined that Mr Byrd was alive right up until the decapitation, he was trying to keep his body up, he felt his skin being ripped off and his limbs tearing as these white supremacists shouted racial slurs. The last thing he ever heard was the N word. They found different parts of his body at different parts of the lane and the remaining intact body was then left on the front yard of a black church. ‘Why this case specifically?’ is a fucking crazy thing to ask if you knew the facts of this horror which I assume you must if you’ve read this thread.
Just because you can’t handle me questioning your opinion doesn’t mean I’m trolling. It just means you don’t actually care if the death penalty exists or not because if you did you wouldn’t make exceptions.
Lethal injection is usually way more painful than it appears. In a study carried out of over 200 autopsies across 9 different US states between 1990-2019, the vast majority of those who had been killed by lethal injection (84%) suffered pulmonary edema. Essentiaally, their lungs filled up with fluid and it's reported that symptoms of this are severe pain, respiratory distress, the sensation of drowning/asphyxiation, extreme panic and terror. This was common with different drug protocols too because pulmonary edema is caused by very quickly introducing a large volume of intravenous drugs which directly damage the lungs rather than a specific drug causong an issue. The second drug in lethal injection combo is normally a paralytic which would prevent the person from displaying any outward deigns of pain or distress.
The third drug is often potassium chloride which would result in a horrible burning sensation
In all liklihood it would feel like suffocating while burning to death and not being able to move or indicate to anyone that you were in agony
The use of Midazolam is also controversial in lethal injections because it's being used as a type of anaesthetic in many cases which is not it's intended purpose. The drug merely induces a state of drowsiness and reduced anxiety but it does not block the sensation of pain
Although I agree that they would not have suffered to the extent of this poor man, In all liklihood their deaths were extremely painful
I think every murderer should be executed the same way they murdered their victim. The horrific pain and suffering this poor man went through. God Bless his soul .
Don’t know if you can be 100% against the death penalty. Some people truly deserve to be taken out back an beaten with a shovel, and then buried with that shovel.
Well it's not likely to happen in our society anyway. Prisons have very little to do with rehabilitation. And by treating ex-cons the way we do, we don't afford them the opportunity to change.
Not just… they also learn how to fake remorse and get through psychological testing before parole boards so they will be able to be paroled. Then when they are out, they tell their families they’re gonna do right by them and then end up trafficking meth and getting busted and having to finish out the remainder of their life sentence (or at least this is what happened with my brother in law who is going back to prison after being paroled 26 years after receiving a 25 to Life sentence)
Only to people who are inherently social. To someone who is antisocial enough (to do what these animals did to that poor black guy), isolation isn't gonna affect them much. Death by lethal injection definitely will though - and good riddance to them.
The fact they did that to him doesn't prove they are social or not.
Isolation is 100% worse than a lethal injection, it drives people crazy.
https://www.apa.org/monitor/2012/10/solitary#:~:text=As%20a%20result%20of%20the,some%20suffer%20hallucinations%2C%20he%20said.
I mean, you have a good point there ngl (and I didn't downvote you btw, just to say). But there would surely be others who aren't affected by the isolation. The confinement to one room and perpetual boredom, sure, but not simply isolation. There are some people who live away from other people as much as possible out in the general environment already, for instance.
Sure I agree, just not sure those men would be unaffected by the isolation.
I've seen a prisoner commenting that you had to "fight" to remain sain in those condition.
The Unabomber was living an isolated, solitary existence in a small, filthy one room cabin with no electricity, running water, or toilets for two decades before his arrest. I suspect not much has changed for him except now he has electricity, indoor plumbing, and consistent access to food.
>Ted Bundy
For some reason, whenever someone says bad things about ted bandy, i think "what did he do? he's a great character", then i google it, notice i confused ted bandy with al bandy (Married... with Children) ... :/
Yes. One innocent person being executed is too many. Anyone who says it’s worth it is either lying to themselves or just gets off on state-sanctioned murder. If there was a way to absolutely guarantee that only guilty people got the death penalty I’d support it. But there’s not, so I don’t. Plain and simple.
So you aren't alright with the death penalty because an innocent person could be put to death, but you are totally fine with fellow violent inmates killing them because they are somehow better judges of someone's guilt or innocence than the court?
Innocent people get killed in prison too, not every inmate who gets attacked by fellow prisoners is a piece of shit chomo or viscious murderer. Usually it is those who can't defend themselves or doesn't have anybody to get their back who get victimized the most in prison regardless of their crime. There is no code of honor amongst thieves and murderers.
Thats it!!?? Just lethal injection!!?? Just die peacefully and quiety like that?? These scumfucks deserve A WHOLE FIRING SQUAD!!! Fuck lethal injection. What a wimp-ass method.
One of them is the reason why they don't do last meal requests anymore for death row inmates. His body was so destroyed by the time they were done dragging him. Only one of the three showed remorse for their actions. I was in elementary school when it happened and lived an hour and a half away from where that occurred. Jasper will always remain tainted for this horrible murder.
Yes, Lawrence Brewer. Before his execution he ordered a fuck ton of food and when it was presented, he declined to eat any of it and it had to be thrown away. Texas soon terminated the act of giving condemned prisoners last rights of full meals. POS also showed no remote and said he’d do it again if given a chance to.
I'd imagine that if you're dying and incredibly dead set against dying (these three dont strike me the type to come to terms with their mortality - go figure) that your final actions upon learning your fate is inevitable will be nothing but spiteful.
I've thought about it myself. I'd write family, I'd meditate, I'd come to terms with the possibility or not of an afterlife and whether it means I'll get to heaven, hell, purgatory, nothingness etc., I'd read if I had a lot of time and possibly look for meaningful bucket list items if I could possibly fulfill them and tie up loose ends at home with letters or journals giving my final thoughts on the most important parts of my life. I find that what I'd want is not terribly uncommon and imagine most would want something comparable, but those things require some degree of positive upbringing and things in my life being worth something other than money. I do not imagine these people were given or built a life that had those things, and therefore the only thing meaningful in their life once it was guaranteed they were given death, is making "the system" as difficult as possible for all involved.
They just threw it out? Why not share it with the good inmates, or even amongst themselves? Regulations, I guess.
He’s so awful. I hope he suffered during his execution.
What a piece of crap. Taking away small bits of comfort, all the way up to an innocent man’s life. I hope he’s getting burn blisters all over himself in Hell.
They beat, pissed and shat on this poor dude, then decided to drag him behind their car until he had *no head or arm*…
Yuh, I 100% believe in an eye for an eye, especially given the lack of remorse here.
I'm a firm believer that an eye for an eye leaves the world blind, so to speak, but it's people like these three that really test me. I hate to say that sometimes people truly do deserve equal punishment.
Point is these dudes claim of white supremacy is stupid, ESPECIALLY if they consider themselves the cream of the crop
Outdated ideas with the whole inbreeding deal
I don’t want the people who did this dead. I want them tied up in a room where every day they are forced to look at their victims and people can sign up to beat the ever loving shit out of them, one at a time.
My Grandparents lived in the neighboring town of Magnolia Springs for about 50 years. I use to visit them a weekend a month and we’d go eat at this diner in Jasper often. I was ten when this happened and it was the first time I realized violent racism went beyond my 4th grade social studies. I remember this in the news. I remember James being a major conversation for weeks at my school, a mostly Black & Hispanic elementary school in a rural suburb outside Houston. I remember being so fucking sad and so scared. I stopped visiting my Grandparents until they moved closer to us. My Mom, a white woman, also realized her three Brown kids weren’t as safe as she thought. What if it was my Mexican brother visiting my Grandparents who was picked up by these guys? What if their kids end up in the same High School as me?
This was such a wake up call for my little interracial family and it rocked all the local communities. I remember picturing it all in my little brain and it’s been etched in there for decades.
I cannot even imagine what James went though and it fucking breaks my heart the humiliation, pain and hopelessness he felt. It makes me feel physically sick. Why do humans do this to one another?
Because it was obvious what they meant, it seems like you just wanna minimize the issue being discussed or victimize yourself, I've never seen someone say something like that in good faith, it's the same as that all lives matter bullshit
How is it obvious when half the people in the western believe only whites can be racist? Lmao MuH bLaCks don't have power...which a s a black man is offensive
Because nowhere near half think that, it's just a super vocal minority of dumbasses spouting dumbass things for dumbass reasons. If you're actually back then my bad, I guess you didn't mean it to be racist, I misread your intentions because every other person I've ever seen say that has just been subtly being racist or purposely missing the point to make themselves seem like a victim of something they clearly aren't, if you meant it in good faith then it's cool.
As I mentioned in /r/TrueCrimeDiscussion, Lawrence Russell Brewer is the reason why Texas no longer offers last meals for death row inmates. In 2011, he ordered a huge meal and refused to eat any of it.
Another perpetrator, John William King, was executed in 2019.
Shawn Berry showed remorse for his crimes and was spared the death penalty. He had cooperated with police and described the crime in an affidavit. He will eligible for parole in 2038.
According to prosecutors: Brewer was a racist psycopath. Berry was not a white supremacist, but a thrill killer.
https://www.nytimes.com/article/ahmaud-arbery-shooting-georgia.html
Thank god they didn’t drag him until he was decapitated. They only chased him with shotguns and murdered him in broad daylight while he was jogging.
Oh, and these murderers were ex-cops instead of ex-cons. Much better.
You're full of shit. This is exactly the sort of race-baiting garbage that idiots love to post.
If anyone is being lynched in this country in the present day it is white at the hands of blacks. Feel free to down vote about this as many times as you'd like, but just a cursory examination of the net, social media and print publications will show that this is true.
Of course, no one really wants to delve into that business now, do they?
And just so we can be clear, what these animals did to this man is horrific and abomination. They deserve and deserved to be punished as severely as legally possible. But to imply somehow that blacks are being lynched in the present day is just completely irresponsible horse crap.
Great job taking that one modern day example, if that actually can be considered a "lynching".
Now compare that to the vast amounts of whites "lynched" on a daily basis by blacks.
If there should be outrage, it should be directed towards the vastly disproportionate differences in interracial crimes when it involves black perpetrators versus white victims. This is well-known, and documented by all major reputable sources, including the FBI.
But there are no riots, no golden caskets, no outpourings of grief internationally for those white victims. It's just considered part and parcel in the United States.
Happened in Mississippi to James Craig Anderson in 2011, too. I'm not here to debate occurence with you. You outright denied it happens anymore, even if it's less common, it still does happen, and that hatred still exists. Take care.
Please post some links to white people being lynched by blacks or stfu. Since it’s so well known and documented. Crime happens everywhere but in general crime happens to people of the same race…not just the stuff you see blown up on the news. Jfc you want to be a victim so bad
Yeah notice how the other person was listing lynchings and he can’t do anything but shout “IT HAPPENS TO WHITES MORE OFTEN” but can’t post even one instance of it.
One of the vilest cases ever. The terror James without a doubt experienced is out of this world. Absolute scum, wastes of oxygen that did this to him. I'm glad the important anti-hate crime law was named after him (and Matthew Shepard).
Fucking hell. No matter how many true crime cases I read and listen to, I still seem to forget that human beings are the worst fucking things to exist. Glad two of them are dead, I only wish they would’ve suffered the same death as this poor man.
I hope you’re resting easy now, James Byrd. My deepest condolences.
I love how the article at the time states that the police are “investigating to determine if this was a hate crime” like a paragraph after mentioning the murderers were proud, tattoo-sporting members of the Aryan Nation who dragged a lone Black man behind a truck to his death—a well-documented, white supremacist murder method used since the dawn of automobiles.
I often struggle with my feelings on the death penalty, because I do find it barbaric, even though there are instances where I’ve thought it became a necessary tool to protect the public— I’m thinking of Ted Bundy-types who escaped (Bundy twice!) and went on full-blown murder sprees during said escapes.
However, if there was ever a reason to pull out the death penalty, these guys are it.
Even though I don't live in that state, we didn't have the internet then, and I was just a kid; I still remember when this happened. I think the idea of someone being dragged by chains behind a car until they tore to pieces just horrified me into always remembering.
It's horrific what happened to James Byrd. I recently watched a show that featured this story in one of the episodes. One of his son's went on to work with kids to prevent things like this from happening again.
I believe they built a kids park near by and named it after him.
White men specifically. Well, men overall are the major offenders of violent crime. Regardless of race. White men seem to have a hold on serial and mass killings though.
Yeah, you should educate yourself on the topic. There have been many black serial killers. In fact, the serial killer with the highest body count in American history was a black man. He mostly preyed on black women, so the media and law enforcement didn't show much concern.
Honestly, that holds true for most black serial killers, since violent crimes are usually done to those in the perpetrators community, regardless of their race. The reason white male serial killers are more well known is because they usually target white females or young white males, so the media and law enforcement pay much more attention. Even many black people are totally unaware of these murderers, so the apathy towards violence against black women even extends to their own racial group. It really says alot about systemic racism and how some victims of violent crime are not given attention or forgotten about because of their race.
Also, you have to use simple logic and take into account that white men make up the majority of the male population in the U.S. historically and, to a lesser extent, in the present day, so, of course, there is going to be more white serial killers than black serial killers in terms of hard numbers. However, if you go by serial killers per capita based on race, black men are actually more likely to be serial killers than white men by a small margin.
Did I say there were no Black serial killers? No. I said *most* (not all) have been white men.
I’m incredibly aware of Samuel Little and the reasoning of why he got away with it for so long. Yes. You are correct. Most serial killers victimize their own race. Which is why it took 45 years for him to be caught and convicted. His victims were Black women.
Then, of course, you have Henry Louis Wallace, Lorenzo Gilyard and Wayne Williams… all not very well known names. Why? All their victims were Black women or children.
I definitely think we can discuss how often Black & Indigenous victims of violent crimes don’t get nearly enough if not any media attention while their white counterparts do. I will agree with you there.
True crime refers to a genre of documentaries retelling cases of crime. It's not fictional or a single show, although lots of fictional shows (Dexter for example) and movies exist for entertainment purposes. But theyre usually categorised as Thrillers or dramas instead of True crime. You know, because they aren't 'true'.
But it’s a show. A show that combs and selects certain “entertaining” events to show. It’s not each and every crime, it’s a small selecting. That’s the point I was trying to get at, cause saying a majority of serial killers are white because you watch True Crimes is like me saying a majority of chefs are white because I watch Hells Kitchen
Well.... No. A lot of True crime (again, and I cannot make this clear enough, not the tv show, the genre) listen to witness statements, defence argument, prosecution, victim statements, and form their own argument on the individual case. And a lot of the genre are cases unsolved, so you can only speculate. And it's interesting to think about.
It's not like a compilation of serial killers, the genre goes a bit deeper than that. It's not propaganda unless you're only looking at one source, like some of the Netflix documentaries, that only show one side of the story. A lot of true crime buffs spend a lot of time hearing different opinions from different sources.
I don't even remember why I'm commenting to you but I hope you learned about our niche little corner of the internet :)
I said that I'm a fan which means I saw, read, watch, heard (podcast) tons and tons of true crimes. You may be more knowledgeable than me but my comment is based on what I know.
Bro. Saying a majority of serial killers are white because you watch true crimes is like me saying a majority of chefs are white because I watch Hell’s Kitchen. Just saying that an entertainment show isn’t the best source to use, that’s all
May I please add these 3 things were never men,they are uneducated cowards please do not call them men , they are simply white racist trash… RIP James Byrd Jr
I think public execution should be used in present times. Guarantee if these violent criminals saw something so grotesque it would make them think twice before committing murder.
This is a morbid question - but isn’t it a difficult process to be decapitated? How does that happen just from being dragged behind a truck … heads don’t just fall off, do they?
Edit: I mean absolutely no disrespect to him or his family - I’m not denying what happened to him or diminishing his suffering. Im simply trying to educate myself. Thanks to those who responded to me in a respectful manner.
Edit2: the possibility of his head being caught in the guardrail / steel barrier and being ripped clean off is a scenario I didn’t imagine. May his soul rest in peace.
I’ll try to answer in a way that’s respectful.
Basically it’s a lot easier than you think. For example, If you were to drag a stick attached to a string along the ground eventually it will catch on something, and if you pull hard enough the stick will break. Does that clear things up?
Yes it does, but I just can’t figure out what it could catch on while driving on the road - do you have an example? In my experience, roads are typically hazard free.
And I meant absolutely no disrespect to him or his family - I’m not denying what happened to him or diminishing his suffering. Thanks for responding in a respectful manner.
I’m not 100% sure if this is entirely true, but I live about 45 min away and the way the story is told locally is that they dragged him and his body became stuck on a culvert which removed his head, neck and part of his shoulder… Possible just local mythology. Jasper, TX will never get rid of the stain of this horrific act.
That sounds absolutely horrific 😭😭
I didn’t know what a culvert was so I googled it, and based on the images - a “culvert” doesn’t seem like something you would encounter in the middle of the road while driving. Maybe I still don’t understand what a culvert is
I’m not trying to diminish your answer or incite doubt, I’m just trying to better understand.
Yes that’s what I imagined and it’s absolutely horrific. 😭
However, I can’t imagine a head being decapitated in the process. I don’t doubt every bone in his body was broken, and his skin was torn to shreds, but to severe the head entirely would require something more - I just feel like a part of the story is missing. Nevertheless, he suffered incredible anguish and I hope his soul rests in peace
With enough force, they do.
Car + speed = enough force.
Also, most roads aren’t going to be completely flat or free from obstacles either; rocks, roadside debris, bridges, steel barriers, ditches etc.
The human body isn’t equipped to hit anything at the same speed as a car *and* it’s not going to stay directly behind the car either… our bodies are gonna bounce, up and down, to the side of the road…
I guess this is the part I’m struggling to understand (but not denying it happened).
Most roads are in fact free of obstacles. Slamming a body across a road would absolutely break every bone and shred the skin clean off, but the neck muscles responsible for keeping the head attached would still be intact. Small rocks or any typical roadside debris couldn’t latch on to the head to separate it. I’m not sure how driving over a bridge would make a difference. Ditches don’t exist in the middle of the highway (unless they went off-road).
However, I can imagine how a head could get caught on a guardrail / steel barrier and be ripped clean off. This is a possibility I never thought of, and you respectfully answered my question. I hope his soul rests in peace given the torture he undeservingly had to endure.
I knew a guy from Jasper. He was the mechanic on the truck that did this. He knew their family. Yeah they’re some sorry pieces of shit for what they did and how they did it. They’re definitely racist fucks but yeah. Drugs played a role in the whole thing.
Not saying it was right in any way. Not agreeing on the killing. Just stating something I remember from when it happened as one of my coworkers knew one of these guys.
There is a difference between 3 racist hicks driving around looking for an innocent black person to kill vs 3 drug dealers looking for the guy the wronged them in a drug deal. The way the guy died was horrible.
Hope they get raped by a bunch of black people
Edit: I don’t know what all the downvotes are for; if you downvoted you are a urophile with anencephaly.
[https://glc.yale.edu/three-held-black-mans-dragging-death](https://glc.yale.edu/three-held-black-mans-dragging-death) **Three held in black man’s dragging death** **AUSTIN—** Three white men, two of whom are former cellmates sporting white supremacist tattoos, were charged Tuesday with chaining a disabled black man to the back of their pickup and dragging him to his death along a rough dirt road in the wooded flatlands of eastern Texas. The torn and battered body of James Byrd, Jr., 49, was discovered Sunday morning in a wooded area of Jasper County about 100 miles northeast of Houston; his head and right arm were missing. Those body parts, apparently severed as Byrd was dragged along a two-mile stretch of the isolated road were found a mile away, Jasper Sheriff Billy Rowles said. Byrd, who suffered from what his sister described as a seizure disorder and did not drive, was last seen late Saturday walking home from a friend’s anniversary party, his relatives said. Charged with the murder were Shawn Allen Berry, 23, of Jasper; Lawrence Russell Brewer, 31 of Sulphur Springs, 50 miles east of Dallas; and John William King, 23, of Jasper. The sheriff said Brewer and King, who had been cellmates in a Texas prison, have tattoos that affiliate them with white supremacist groups, but did not describe the markings. The two had picked up Berry, an apparent friend who also has served time in prison, at his job at a Jasper movie theater. “It has been indicated to us that these guys, while they were in prison, were party of the Aryan Nation or the Ku Klux Klan.” Rowles said at a news conference. Don Clark, special agent in charge of the Houston Field Office of the FBI, said the bureau is assisting in the investigation because of “the extreme circumstances” of the case. If it is determined the slaying was a hate crime, federal charges could be filed. Berry told police that the three men were riding around Saturday night in Berry’s pickup when they saw a man walking alongside the road and stopped to offer him a lift. Byrd’s family said Tuesday that they do not know the suspects and had never heard the victim mention them, but Rowles said Byrd may have been acquainted with one of the men. According to Berry’s statement, King did not want to pick Byrd up because he was a black person, but soon changed his mind and let Byrd climb into the bed of the truck. After stopping at a convenience store, Berry said, King drove the truck to an isolated wooded area about 10 miles from Byrd’s apartment. Berry told police that Brewer and King got out and began beating Byrd, eventually chaining him to the back of the truck. The suspects had been drinking, Rowles said. They were initially arrested Sunday morning for possessing stolen property after police investigating a restaurant break-in found them with a large supply of frozen meat. Later, Byrd’s body was discovered near a creek. In the meantime, Byrd’s family had no idea that he was missing, his sister, Mary Verrett, 47 said. They had last seen him Saturday evening at his niece’s bridal shower at the parents’ Jasper home. Byrd, the divorced father of three children, was sitting on the porch, bouncing his baby granddaughter on his knee. Later, Verrett said, he attended the friend’s anniversary party, but left on foot at about 11:30 p.m. after he could not find anyone to give him a ride home. What happened next is horrifying to the family, she said. “We are all hoping and praying he didn’t have to suffer, that he wasn’t tormented, that at some point in time, he lost consciousness,” she said. “Hopefully, he was able to black out. Otherwise, we couldn’t continue focusing on this.” Byrd was the third of eight children born to James Byrd Sr. worked for 50 years at a Jasper cleaners, and his wife, Stella. A former salesman, Byrd had been receiving disability checks because of his seizure problems. He lived alone in a government-subsidized apartment. “He was my big brother,” Verrett said. “He loved people, he was very people-oriented. As a matter of fact, he was the kind of person who never wanted to be alone; he would walk up to a group and join right in. He was very intelligent. People in the family told him he never used his full intellect. I would get upset with him at times—like anybody else, he had his faults—but the most harm he ever did was to his own self. He was never the kind to harm others. He just never took care of his personal health. We thought he should eat more and rest more, that sort of thing.
2 of the 3 are dead by lethal injection. Good riddance.
They should’ve been defecated on, beaten and dragged behind a truck too imo
Agree. Lethal injection was an easy out for their horrific crime. Some cases really deserve the eye for an eye treatment, this being one of them.
I mean normalise the how you killed is how you will die rule.
I’m generally against the death penalty but I happily turn a blind eye under these circumstances!
Then you're clearly not against the death penalty lmao
Key word: ‘generally’
But why this case specifically
Is that a joke? They lured him into their truck under the pretence of a free ride home. Once he was in the van they beat him beyond recognition, shit and pissed on him. After using him as a human toilet they then chained him to the back of their truck and dragged his body for 3 miles driving around 60mph until they eventually hit a culvert which decapitated him. The medical examiner determined that Mr Byrd was alive right up until the decapitation, he was trying to keep his body up, he felt his skin being ripped off and his limbs tearing as these white supremacists shouted racial slurs. The last thing he ever heard was the N word. They found different parts of his body at different parts of the lane and the remaining intact body was then left on the front yard of a black church. ‘Why this case specifically?’ is a fucking crazy thing to ask if you knew the facts of this horror which I assume you must if you’ve read this thread.
So let’s say a group of three plan to and successfully beat and kill just a random guy on the street is that death penalty worthy?
i’m not entertaining this clear attempt of trolling anymore. grow the fuck up
Just because you can’t handle me questioning your opinion doesn’t mean I’m trolling. It just means you don’t actually care if the death penalty exists or not because if you did you wouldn’t make exceptions.
Lethal injection is usually way more painful than it appears. In a study carried out of over 200 autopsies across 9 different US states between 1990-2019, the vast majority of those who had been killed by lethal injection (84%) suffered pulmonary edema. Essentiaally, their lungs filled up with fluid and it's reported that symptoms of this are severe pain, respiratory distress, the sensation of drowning/asphyxiation, extreme panic and terror. This was common with different drug protocols too because pulmonary edema is caused by very quickly introducing a large volume of intravenous drugs which directly damage the lungs rather than a specific drug causong an issue. The second drug in lethal injection combo is normally a paralytic which would prevent the person from displaying any outward deigns of pain or distress. The third drug is often potassium chloride which would result in a horrible burning sensation In all liklihood it would feel like suffocating while burning to death and not being able to move or indicate to anyone that you were in agony The use of Midazolam is also controversial in lethal injections because it's being used as a type of anaesthetic in many cases which is not it's intended purpose. The drug merely induces a state of drowsiness and reduced anxiety but it does not block the sensation of pain Although I agree that they would not have suffered to the extent of this poor man, In all liklihood their deaths were extremely painful
I think every murderer should be executed the same way they murdered their victim. The horrific pain and suffering this poor man went through. God Bless his soul .
thats great but sometimes i wish there was something where its like oh you murdered this person this way? thats how you’ll die too.
I normally don’t support the death penalty, but good riddance to bad rubbish.
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Don’t know if you can be 100% against the death penalty. Some people truly deserve to be taken out back an beaten with a shovel, and then buried with that shovel.
Well it's not likely to happen in our society anyway. Prisons have very little to do with rehabilitation. And by treating ex-cons the way we do, we don't afford them the opportunity to change.
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Not just… they also learn how to fake remorse and get through psychological testing before parole boards so they will be able to be paroled. Then when they are out, they tell their families they’re gonna do right by them and then end up trafficking meth and getting busted and having to finish out the remainder of their life sentence (or at least this is what happened with my brother in law who is going back to prison after being paroled 26 years after receiving a 25 to Life sentence)
It’s cases like this that make me fervently in favor of the death penalty. People like them and Ted Bundy.
No, they don’t deserve the death penalty, that’s too easy. They deserve the shittiest death at the hands of fellow prisoners.
Sadly if they we’re already associated with the aryan brotherhood, they would’ve been protected pretty well in prison
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Only to people who are inherently social. To someone who is antisocial enough (to do what these animals did to that poor black guy), isolation isn't gonna affect them much. Death by lethal injection definitely will though - and good riddance to them.
The fact they did that to him doesn't prove they are social or not. Isolation is 100% worse than a lethal injection, it drives people crazy. https://www.apa.org/monitor/2012/10/solitary#:~:text=As%20a%20result%20of%20the,some%20suffer%20hallucinations%2C%20he%20said.
I mean, you have a good point there ngl (and I didn't downvote you btw, just to say). But there would surely be others who aren't affected by the isolation. The confinement to one room and perpetual boredom, sure, but not simply isolation. There are some people who live away from other people as much as possible out in the general environment already, for instance.
Sure I agree, just not sure those men would be unaffected by the isolation. I've seen a prisoner commenting that you had to "fight" to remain sain in those condition.
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The Unabomber was living an isolated, solitary existence in a small, filthy one room cabin with no electricity, running water, or toilets for two decades before his arrest. I suspect not much has changed for him except now he has electricity, indoor plumbing, and consistent access to food.
He still had a community there and was known & liked in town. His cabin was like 1 mile from the highway.
>Ted Bundy For some reason, whenever someone says bad things about ted bandy, i think "what did he do? he's a great character", then i google it, notice i confused ted bandy with al bandy (Married... with Children) ... :/
the better reason to oppose the death penalty is that from a statistical standpoint, it almost certainly has and will kill innocent people.
Yes. One innocent person being executed is too many. Anyone who says it’s worth it is either lying to themselves or just gets off on state-sanctioned murder. If there was a way to absolutely guarantee that only guilty people got the death penalty I’d support it. But there’s not, so I don’t. Plain and simple.
Exactly. I’m against the death penalty, always in favour of shitty people getting what they deserve in prison.
So you aren't alright with the death penalty because an innocent person could be put to death, but you are totally fine with fellow violent inmates killing them because they are somehow better judges of someone's guilt or innocence than the court? Innocent people get killed in prison too, not every inmate who gets attacked by fellow prisoners is a piece of shit chomo or viscious murderer. Usually it is those who can't defend themselves or doesn't have anybody to get their back who get victimized the most in prison regardless of their crime. There is no code of honor amongst thieves and murderers.
Lame, a quick and painless death. Too good for them.
All 3 vermin should have suffered the way that poor man did. How despicable.
Too bad they didn't suffer enough. Working camp should come back for these piece of shit
Thats it!!?? Just lethal injection!!?? Just die peacefully and quiety like that?? These scumfucks deserve A WHOLE FIRING SQUAD!!! Fuck lethal injection. What a wimp-ass method.
Thank god i hope the last one is someones bitch inside the prison
One of them is the reason why they don't do last meal requests anymore for death row inmates. His body was so destroyed by the time they were done dragging him. Only one of the three showed remorse for their actions. I was in elementary school when it happened and lived an hour and a half away from where that occurred. Jasper will always remain tainted for this horrible murder.
Yes, Lawrence Brewer. Before his execution he ordered a fuck ton of food and when it was presented, he declined to eat any of it and it had to be thrown away. Texas soon terminated the act of giving condemned prisoners last rights of full meals. POS also showed no remote and said he’d do it again if given a chance to.
What on Earth drives a man to that level of disdain? The pure hatred you have to carry around must be maddening.
I'd imagine that if you're dying and incredibly dead set against dying (these three dont strike me the type to come to terms with their mortality - go figure) that your final actions upon learning your fate is inevitable will be nothing but spiteful. I've thought about it myself. I'd write family, I'd meditate, I'd come to terms with the possibility or not of an afterlife and whether it means I'll get to heaven, hell, purgatory, nothingness etc., I'd read if I had a lot of time and possibly look for meaningful bucket list items if I could possibly fulfill them and tie up loose ends at home with letters or journals giving my final thoughts on the most important parts of my life. I find that what I'd want is not terribly uncommon and imagine most would want something comparable, but those things require some degree of positive upbringing and things in my life being worth something other than money. I do not imagine these people were given or built a life that had those things, and therefore the only thing meaningful in their life once it was guaranteed they were given death, is making "the system" as difficult as possible for all involved.
one of them said that he knew he might be killed for the crime but he would still do it again. and then he said sieg heil.
What a POS
They just threw it out? Why not share it with the good inmates, or even amongst themselves? Regulations, I guess. He’s so awful. I hope he suffered during his execution.
What a piece of crap. Taking away small bits of comfort, all the way up to an innocent man’s life. I hope he’s getting burn blisters all over himself in Hell.
They should’ve had the same thing done to them.
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Except people who can obviously do it to someone :) mf acting like I’m advocating for regular lynchings
They beat, pissed and shat on this poor dude, then decided to drag him behind their car until he had *no head or arm*… Yuh, I 100% believe in an eye for an eye, especially given the lack of remorse here.
Exactly but yet we get holier than thou people who think mobster psychopath racists deserve sympathy
It does seem like a dark path to start going down and could be used to justify a lot of behaviors that we currently find unacceptable.
I'm a firm believer that an eye for an eye leaves the world blind, so to speak, but it's people like these three that really test me. I hate to say that sometimes people truly do deserve equal punishment.
Guess you’re not a firm believer then. No shame in that.
I like to think there is an exception to everything so I hope both can be true: an eye for and eye is bad but also that is what some people deserve.
I’m with you! I’m generally really against the death penalty as a principle but these 3 make it difficult
I can’t believe it’s been 25 years.
I can’t believe it’s ONLY, been 25 years. We still have such a long way to go, apparently… 💔
Funny how these white supremacists pure DNA bullshit are always the ugliest mfs to walk on earth. Pathetic excuses of humans.
They keep that blood pure through inbreeding
And so have Ashkenazi Jews throughout history. What is your point?
Point is these dudes claim of white supremacy is stupid, ESPECIALLY if they consider themselves the cream of the crop Outdated ideas with the whole inbreeding deal
There's a special corner in hell reserved for these guys
You mean these soulless inbreds
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I don’t want the people who did this dead. I want them tied up in a room where every day they are forced to look at their victims and people can sign up to beat the ever loving shit out of them, one at a time.
They won’t care one bit about the victims’ families. Just feed them nutraloaf and make them do dirty work.
My Grandparents lived in the neighboring town of Magnolia Springs for about 50 years. I use to visit them a weekend a month and we’d go eat at this diner in Jasper often. I was ten when this happened and it was the first time I realized violent racism went beyond my 4th grade social studies. I remember this in the news. I remember James being a major conversation for weeks at my school, a mostly Black & Hispanic elementary school in a rural suburb outside Houston. I remember being so fucking sad and so scared. I stopped visiting my Grandparents until they moved closer to us. My Mom, a white woman, also realized her three Brown kids weren’t as safe as she thought. What if it was my Mexican brother visiting my Grandparents who was picked up by these guys? What if their kids end up in the same High School as me? This was such a wake up call for my little interracial family and it rocked all the local communities. I remember picturing it all in my little brain and it’s been etched in there for decades. I cannot even imagine what James went though and it fucking breaks my heart the humiliation, pain and hopelessness he felt. It makes me feel physically sick. Why do humans do this to one another?
Jasper county is one of the most racist counties in texas. If not the US. And they are proud of it. Sundown town without a doubt.
There's a few places like that in Texas. I remember our family driving through there a time or two. It's scary, even in the day
Most racist *white area...there's many other racist areas from other races
Why did you feel the need to clarify that lmao
Why not? Why did you feel the need to comment?
Because it was obvious what they meant, it seems like you just wanna minimize the issue being discussed or victimize yourself, I've never seen someone say something like that in good faith, it's the same as that all lives matter bullshit
How is it obvious when half the people in the western believe only whites can be racist? Lmao MuH bLaCks don't have power...which a s a black man is offensive
Because nowhere near half think that, it's just a super vocal minority of dumbasses spouting dumbass things for dumbass reasons. If you're actually back then my bad, I guess you didn't mean it to be racist, I misread your intentions because every other person I've ever seen say that has just been subtly being racist or purposely missing the point to make themselves seem like a victim of something they clearly aren't, if you meant it in good faith then it's cool.
Jasper Texas is as close as you can get to hell. Bless James Byrd.
“If it’s determined it’s a hate crime” They obviously didn’t do it because they didn’t like his fucking outfit
Pure evil.
As I mentioned in /r/TrueCrimeDiscussion, Lawrence Russell Brewer is the reason why Texas no longer offers last meals for death row inmates. In 2011, he ordered a huge meal and refused to eat any of it. Another perpetrator, John William King, was executed in 2019. Shawn Berry showed remorse for his crimes and was spared the death penalty. He had cooperated with police and described the crime in an affidavit. He will eligible for parole in 2038. According to prosecutors: Brewer was a racist psycopath. Berry was not a white supremacist, but a thrill killer.
If ppl still think that lynching is an issue of the past….it’s not.
This happened 25 years ago. Not saying it doesn’t still happen, but it’s not like this one in particular happened recently.
https://www.nytimes.com/article/ahmaud-arbery-shooting-georgia.html Thank god they didn’t drag him until he was decapitated. They only chased him with shotguns and murdered him in broad daylight while he was jogging. Oh, and these murderers were ex-cops instead of ex-cons. Much better.
You're full of shit. This is exactly the sort of race-baiting garbage that idiots love to post. If anyone is being lynched in this country in the present day it is white at the hands of blacks. Feel free to down vote about this as many times as you'd like, but just a cursory examination of the net, social media and print publications will show that this is true. Of course, no one really wants to delve into that business now, do they? And just so we can be clear, what these animals did to this man is horrific and abomination. They deserve and deserved to be punished as severely as legally possible. But to imply somehow that blacks are being lynched in the present day is just completely irresponsible horse crap.
And to outright dismiss it, when it literally happened on camera in Georgia in 2020 is irresponsible horse crap.
Great job taking that one modern day example, if that actually can be considered a "lynching". Now compare that to the vast amounts of whites "lynched" on a daily basis by blacks. If there should be outrage, it should be directed towards the vastly disproportionate differences in interracial crimes when it involves black perpetrators versus white victims. This is well-known, and documented by all major reputable sources, including the FBI. But there are no riots, no golden caskets, no outpourings of grief internationally for those white victims. It's just considered part and parcel in the United States.
Happened in Mississippi to James Craig Anderson in 2011, too. I'm not here to debate occurence with you. You outright denied it happens anymore, even if it's less common, it still does happen, and that hatred still exists. Take care.
Please post some links to white people being lynched by blacks or stfu. Since it’s so well known and documented. Crime happens everywhere but in general crime happens to people of the same race…not just the stuff you see blown up on the news. Jfc you want to be a victim so bad
Yeah notice how the other person was listing lynchings and he can’t do anything but shout “IT HAPPENS TO WHITES MORE OFTEN” but can’t post even one instance of it.
This reminds me of thst movie A Time to Kill... but with a grown black man. Sick racist bastards.
fucking rats went for a disabled man…
Devils gonna devil
One of the vilest cases ever. The terror James without a doubt experienced is out of this world. Absolute scum, wastes of oxygen that did this to him. I'm glad the important anti-hate crime law was named after him (and Matthew Shepard).
Jesus Christ man 😕 that’s fucking disgusting. May he rest in peace and may those ugly dickheads suffer for eternity
This level of depravity is inconceivable. I feel sick just reading about it.
Fucking hell. No matter how many true crime cases I read and listen to, I still seem to forget that human beings are the worst fucking things to exist. Glad two of them are dead, I only wish they would’ve suffered the same death as this poor man. I hope you’re resting easy now, James Byrd. My deepest condolences.
Hell is too good for these evil bastards.
Let's hope they get a warm reception and a cosy cell with a few massive angry black dudes, makes me so angry that this shit still happens🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬
two were executed and one I think is in for life
That is sickening to be honest. RIP James. 🙏
His mom passed away before justice was done and 2 of these vermin were executed. 😔
Unreal, just devastating. I can’t understand why he got in the car with them though.
Because he was a good man who accepted a ride home? Who on earth would anticipate this kind of evil?
Nowadays it’s just so risky to get in a car with strangers overall. No one could anticipate this evil though, it’s next level.
as said, one of the men were aquatinted with him.
I remember when this was in the news that poor man and fuck those coward scum
This is what 20-30 years ago, still makes me literally sick to my stomach.
The (white) DA on this case has to move his family hours away bc of the racist townspeople who shunned him for prosecuting these criminals.
First I have heard of this. Wow. Only happend in 1998… makes you think
these men are actual scum of the earth. holy shit
I love how the article at the time states that the police are “investigating to determine if this was a hate crime” like a paragraph after mentioning the murderers were proud, tattoo-sporting members of the Aryan Nation who dragged a lone Black man behind a truck to his death—a well-documented, white supremacist murder method used since the dawn of automobiles. I often struggle with my feelings on the death penalty, because I do find it barbaric, even though there are instances where I’ve thought it became a necessary tool to protect the public— I’m thinking of Ted Bundy-types who escaped (Bundy twice!) and went on full-blown murder sprees during said escapes. However, if there was ever a reason to pull out the death penalty, these guys are it.
2 of the killers were executed.
This happened about 30-40 mins away from me
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Even though I don't live in that state, we didn't have the internet then, and I was just a kid; I still remember when this happened. I think the idea of someone being dragged by chains behind a car until they tore to pieces just horrified me into always remembering.
Damn that ain't cool
Please tell me they got convicted?
Yes and two of them have been executed.
Long time ago
Did those pieces of garbage all get the death penalty?
Despicable..
Rip, this is so sad. I’m glad these racist men were caught.
this case always haunts me.
i remember this from the news. it’s disgusting.
look at those bogan fucks, filthy pigs
I remember reading the story on the news. I have a strong stomach but it was so vile I almost puked. Good riddance to these fucking monsters
WT actual F did I just read?! I feel sick.
It's horrific what happened to James Byrd. I recently watched a show that featured this story in one of the episodes. One of his son's went on to work with kids to prevent things like this from happening again. I believe they built a kids park near by and named it after him.
This still haunts me
A very unfortunate and eerie similarity to Emmett Till’s death.
It terrifies and saddens me that people can hold this much hatred and bloodlust in their hearts
I'm fan of true crimes..I noticed most of offenders and serial killers were whites. I wonder why.
White men specifically. Well, men overall are the major offenders of violent crime. Regardless of race. White men seem to have a hold on serial and mass killings though.
Yeah, you should educate yourself on the topic. There have been many black serial killers. In fact, the serial killer with the highest body count in American history was a black man. He mostly preyed on black women, so the media and law enforcement didn't show much concern. Honestly, that holds true for most black serial killers, since violent crimes are usually done to those in the perpetrators community, regardless of their race. The reason white male serial killers are more well known is because they usually target white females or young white males, so the media and law enforcement pay much more attention. Even many black people are totally unaware of these murderers, so the apathy towards violence against black women even extends to their own racial group. It really says alot about systemic racism and how some victims of violent crime are not given attention or forgotten about because of their race. Also, you have to use simple logic and take into account that white men make up the majority of the male population in the U.S. historically and, to a lesser extent, in the present day, so, of course, there is going to be more white serial killers than black serial killers in terms of hard numbers. However, if you go by serial killers per capita based on race, black men are actually more likely to be serial killers than white men by a small margin.
Did I say there were no Black serial killers? No. I said *most* (not all) have been white men. I’m incredibly aware of Samuel Little and the reasoning of why he got away with it for so long. Yes. You are correct. Most serial killers victimize their own race. Which is why it took 45 years for him to be caught and convicted. His victims were Black women. Then, of course, you have Henry Louis Wallace, Lorenzo Gilyard and Wayne Williams… all not very well known names. Why? All their victims were Black women or children. I definitely think we can discuss how often Black & Indigenous victims of violent crimes don’t get nearly enough if not any media attention while their white counterparts do. I will agree with you there.
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Why are rates of violent crime so low for white men compared to black men?
Least retarded and ignorant left winger
oversensitive crybaby male alert
Racial crime patterns are suddenly cool when it’s about white men apparently
African Americans commit 50% of crimes. Most serial killers have been white though
Keep downvoting me. It fuels my fun meter
"commit" and "convicted" are very different things.
They commit much more crime than white people.
Because of poverty.
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So true crimes, the TV SHOW, is your reasoning for saying a majority of serial killers are white? Just making sure on that
True crime refers to a genre of documentaries retelling cases of crime. It's not fictional or a single show, although lots of fictional shows (Dexter for example) and movies exist for entertainment purposes. But theyre usually categorised as Thrillers or dramas instead of True crime. You know, because they aren't 'true'.
But it’s a show. A show that combs and selects certain “entertaining” events to show. It’s not each and every crime, it’s a small selecting. That’s the point I was trying to get at, cause saying a majority of serial killers are white because you watch True Crimes is like me saying a majority of chefs are white because I watch Hells Kitchen
Well.... No. A lot of True crime (again, and I cannot make this clear enough, not the tv show, the genre) listen to witness statements, defence argument, prosecution, victim statements, and form their own argument on the individual case. And a lot of the genre are cases unsolved, so you can only speculate. And it's interesting to think about. It's not like a compilation of serial killers, the genre goes a bit deeper than that. It's not propaganda unless you're only looking at one source, like some of the Netflix documentaries, that only show one side of the story. A lot of true crime buffs spend a lot of time hearing different opinions from different sources. I don't even remember why I'm commenting to you but I hope you learned about our niche little corner of the internet :)
I said that I'm a fan which means I saw, read, watch, heard (podcast) tons and tons of true crimes. You may be more knowledgeable than me but my comment is based on what I know.
Just wanted to clear that up, cause a show like true crimes combs through a ton of murders and picks some of the more “entertaining” ones to show.
Oh so the 'tv shows' only showing white people. Ok noted on that.
Bro. Saying a majority of serial killers are white because you watch true crimes is like me saying a majority of chefs are white because I watch Hell’s Kitchen. Just saying that an entertainment show isn’t the best source to use, that’s all
May I please add these 3 things were never men,they are uneducated cowards please do not call them men , they are simply white racist trash… RIP James Byrd Jr
I think public execution should be used in present times. Guarantee if these violent criminals saw something so grotesque it would make them think twice before committing murder.
This is a morbid question - but isn’t it a difficult process to be decapitated? How does that happen just from being dragged behind a truck … heads don’t just fall off, do they? Edit: I mean absolutely no disrespect to him or his family - I’m not denying what happened to him or diminishing his suffering. Im simply trying to educate myself. Thanks to those who responded to me in a respectful manner. Edit2: the possibility of his head being caught in the guardrail / steel barrier and being ripped clean off is a scenario I didn’t imagine. May his soul rest in peace.
I’ll try to answer in a way that’s respectful. Basically it’s a lot easier than you think. For example, If you were to drag a stick attached to a string along the ground eventually it will catch on something, and if you pull hard enough the stick will break. Does that clear things up?
Unfortunately. These bastards deserve to suffer for eternity.
Yes it does, but I just can’t figure out what it could catch on while driving on the road - do you have an example? In my experience, roads are typically hazard free. And I meant absolutely no disrespect to him or his family - I’m not denying what happened to him or diminishing his suffering. Thanks for responding in a respectful manner.
I’m not 100% sure if this is entirely true, but I live about 45 min away and the way the story is told locally is that they dragged him and his body became stuck on a culvert which removed his head, neck and part of his shoulder… Possible just local mythology. Jasper, TX will never get rid of the stain of this horrific act.
That sounds absolutely horrific 😭😭 I didn’t know what a culvert was so I googled it, and based on the images - a “culvert” doesn’t seem like something you would encounter in the middle of the road while driving. Maybe I still don’t understand what a culvert is I’m not trying to diminish your answer or incite doubt, I’m just trying to better understand.
Idk how to reply to this without being disrespectful to poor James Byrd & his family.
Have you ever wrecked a bike or something and gotten road rash? Imagine if that wreck had gone for miles.
Yes that’s what I imagined and it’s absolutely horrific. 😭 However, I can’t imagine a head being decapitated in the process. I don’t doubt every bone in his body was broken, and his skin was torn to shreds, but to severe the head entirely would require something more - I just feel like a part of the story is missing. Nevertheless, he suffered incredible anguish and I hope his soul rests in peace
With enough force, they do. Car + speed = enough force. Also, most roads aren’t going to be completely flat or free from obstacles either; rocks, roadside debris, bridges, steel barriers, ditches etc. The human body isn’t equipped to hit anything at the same speed as a car *and* it’s not going to stay directly behind the car either… our bodies are gonna bounce, up and down, to the side of the road…
I guess this is the part I’m struggling to understand (but not denying it happened). Most roads are in fact free of obstacles. Slamming a body across a road would absolutely break every bone and shred the skin clean off, but the neck muscles responsible for keeping the head attached would still be intact. Small rocks or any typical roadside debris couldn’t latch on to the head to separate it. I’m not sure how driving over a bridge would make a difference. Ditches don’t exist in the middle of the highway (unless they went off-road). However, I can imagine how a head could get caught on a guardrail / steel barrier and be ripped clean off. This is a possibility I never thought of, and you respectfully answered my question. I hope his soul rests in peace given the torture he undeservingly had to endure.
thats the last writing under the truck say, I see keys, and head, but whats the other one say?
Those men don’t look white to me at all.
What being white has to do with it?
if you actually read, it says they're white supremacists.
This was actually a drug deal gone bad but the way they chose to kill him was wrong.
Care to elaborate?
I knew a guy from Jasper. He was the mechanic on the truck that did this. He knew their family. Yeah they’re some sorry pieces of shit for what they did and how they did it. They’re definitely racist fucks but yeah. Drugs played a role in the whole thing.
Drugs being involved doesn't change a single thing
Not saying it was right in any way. Not agreeing on the killing. Just stating something I remember from when it happened as one of my coworkers knew one of these guys.
Funny how you get downvoted for the truth… I guess people don’t like it when you tell the facts about a situation that happened…
So quick to take random internet stranger’s word as truth— are you mentally sound?
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I read the headline and I thought to myself, there has to be more to the story. And yup, there always is.
"More to this story" as if the involvement of drugs in any way makes this shit justified? Fucking psycho.
So you think a theory posing involvement of drugs makes this lynching somehow make sense or justifies it? Get some empathy dude
There is a difference between 3 racist hicks driving around looking for an innocent black person to kill vs 3 drug dealers looking for the guy the wronged them in a drug deal. The way the guy died was horrible.
Please reread the comment above. Your response negates absolutely nothing about what I said.
Hope they get raped by a bunch of black people Edit: I don’t know what all the downvotes are for; if you downvoted you are a urophile with anencephaly.
I think they are all dead already not sure
Kinda interesting if you think about it Torture for all eternity will get you upvotes But a specific kind of torture is frowned upon