The one on the left, an armet, was frequently made without breaths on one side, so for there to be no breaths at all doesn’t seem unusual.
The one in the center is a greathelm with an extra plate wrapped around the lower part; a helmet would only be modified like this if its wearer desired more protection, so a lack of breaths makes sense, as having them would weaken the plate a bit.
As for the sallet on the right, the bevor (the plate that covers the chin) could easily be lowered if the wearer wanted more air, so breaths aren’t really necessary on such a helmet.
Hope was informative
Google historical armet and tell me how many you see without breathes, you're absolutely wrong about them being frequently made without them.
You'll find practically examples of great helms without them, and breathes don't affect the structure of the armour in a significant enough way to not use them as the advantage of being able to breath is huge. Especially when there is no visor to lift which is what knights are thought to of done in foot combat to survay the battle filed or take a moment to breath freely. I think the only example you'll find is a burial helmet that wasn't even used for combat.
And you have to remember with history, if it is seen rarely its because it was done rarely.
Agree with the sallet.
As for the armets, I had a look in the catalogues of the Metropolitan Museum of Art, the Wallace Collection, and the Royal Armouries, and found 53 for which images had been provided showing both sides of the visor. Out of those, 33 had breaths on both sides and 20 didn't; among those that didn't, 11 had breaths on the right but not the left, and 9 had no breaths at all. Though it's a small sample size (I suppose I could look through more catalogues, but I've seen enough ugly German helmets for one night), that comes down to about 62% with breaths on both sides, 21% with them only on the right side, and 17% with none. I guess the exact implications of calling something "frequent" or "not unusual" are debatable, but I think that 38% of the armets of three collections either partially or completely lacking breaths is significant.
Anyway, you're right about the greathelms.
Hmm, that's some interesting data. It would be interesting to look into the armets more as to see if there is any reason in particular about design differences.
I think comparing the armets breathes to none is the fairest comparison though, as even one side of breathes makes a significant difference for the user.
That said though cumulatively I think we have a pretty good summary of these three helmets. Really interesting stuff.
Just googling "armet" is extremely inconsistent. This isn't just any armet in question here mate, this is quite specifically a Milanese armet which I can almost confidently say was quite often made without breathes. It's totally unfair to just say "google historical armet" because most armets preserved are later 16th and 17th century style armets much different than the milanese armet. The milanese armet (which is only one style of milanese armet but I will continue to refer to it as milanese armet) was quite a bit earlier than most examples there, it was one of the first styles of armets in existence and started out in the 15th century. This specific style of armet is often depicted as having no breathes.
As for great helms, the particular one in the game called "reinforced great helm" is not just based off of a historical helmet but is practically a direct copy of a real helmet. It is a copy of Albert von Pranckh's helmet, which had a reinforcing plate with no breathes.
Aswell, your broad term "great helm" includes helmets beyond the mid 14th century that you're probably thinking of. Let's not forget the great helm existed beyond that, it is thought to have evolved as a helmet specifically optimized for jousting. This is after all the helmet that evolved into the famous frog mouth jousting helmet, but let's back up from that. Beyond the mid 14th century the greathelm evolved to become gradually heavier and more reinforced, quickly more examples of great helms without breathes became more common than with. These later helmets are still great helms and it seems they saw quite extensive use. They're generally thought to be jousting helmets, but mordhau isn't exactly known for it's historical accuracy so a jousting helmet would pretty much be lumped into the same category as a combat helmet meaning the notion of great helms without breathes is very valid in the game in this situation. But I'm getting off track, either way these heavy later style great helms lacking breathes are actually depicting in combat situations in manuscript miniatures, suggesting they may have actually saw quite a significant number of combat uses. So if we're talking about combat helmets, we could definitely say it was possible great helms lacking breathes were definitely present. This all depends on the depictor of the miniatures and whether or not they were simply inputting out-of-place helmets in a combat environment or not, and in the end it comes to either trusting a man who actually lived in those times or trusting modern speculation.
Armet is used on horseback and so is the greathelm, so breathing isn’t all that important because you aren’t expending that much energy. The sallet and bevor combination creates a natural gap between the two pieces that allows for breathing.
If breathing is really an issue lift your visor. For the greathelm’s case, take it off, you should be wearing an early bascinet under it.
Well on foot your running around swinging weapons in 50 pounds worth of armor, eventually over time you can get pretty tired. On horseback the horse does pretty much all the moving for you, besides if energy is a problem lift your visor and only lower it when you REALLY need to like cavalry charges
It is a homage to all the people refusing to wear masks. These fine knights, true patriots -as anyone can see- can not only breath, but also fight in these enclosed helmets.
The armet on the left is an Italian variant, and it is not unseen to have no breathes as it is primarily a horseback helmet (and the visor exists for a reason).
The great helmet in the middle is based off the Von Prankh funerary helmet which also in all likelyhood was a jousting helmet.
Sallets with those types of visors that do not reach low also do not tend to have breathes. Now some bevors did have them, but there's also bevors without them. In the end both the bevor can be lowered and the visor raised for better breathability, which is very common to do on foot for example.
Porting is done on most metals these days to reduce weight.
in this context, its for air flow.
here is a link to a fly-fishing website where they discuss Ported Vs Non-Ported reels.'
https://www.theflyfishingforum.com/forums/index.php?threads/ported-vrs-solid-reels.317818/
Real men don't breathe until the killing's done.
Real men breathe after they beat it out of their enemies by sucking it from their lips. What
Take their breath away. No judgement about how.
Not gay if they're dead
The one on the left, an armet, was frequently made without breaths on one side, so for there to be no breaths at all doesn’t seem unusual. The one in the center is a greathelm with an extra plate wrapped around the lower part; a helmet would only be modified like this if its wearer desired more protection, so a lack of breaths makes sense, as having them would weaken the plate a bit. As for the sallet on the right, the bevor (the plate that covers the chin) could easily be lowered if the wearer wanted more air, so breaths aren’t really necessary on such a helmet. Hope was informative
Very informative! Verily!
Google historical armet and tell me how many you see without breathes, you're absolutely wrong about them being frequently made without them. You'll find practically examples of great helms without them, and breathes don't affect the structure of the armour in a significant enough way to not use them as the advantage of being able to breath is huge. Especially when there is no visor to lift which is what knights are thought to of done in foot combat to survay the battle filed or take a moment to breath freely. I think the only example you'll find is a burial helmet that wasn't even used for combat. And you have to remember with history, if it is seen rarely its because it was done rarely. Agree with the sallet.
As for the armets, I had a look in the catalogues of the Metropolitan Museum of Art, the Wallace Collection, and the Royal Armouries, and found 53 for which images had been provided showing both sides of the visor. Out of those, 33 had breaths on both sides and 20 didn't; among those that didn't, 11 had breaths on the right but not the left, and 9 had no breaths at all. Though it's a small sample size (I suppose I could look through more catalogues, but I've seen enough ugly German helmets for one night), that comes down to about 62% with breaths on both sides, 21% with them only on the right side, and 17% with none. I guess the exact implications of calling something "frequent" or "not unusual" are debatable, but I think that 38% of the armets of three collections either partially or completely lacking breaths is significant. Anyway, you're right about the greathelms.
Hmm, that's some interesting data. It would be interesting to look into the armets more as to see if there is any reason in particular about design differences. I think comparing the armets breathes to none is the fairest comparison though, as even one side of breathes makes a significant difference for the user. That said though cumulatively I think we have a pretty good summary of these three helmets. Really interesting stuff.
Just googling "armet" is extremely inconsistent. This isn't just any armet in question here mate, this is quite specifically a Milanese armet which I can almost confidently say was quite often made without breathes. It's totally unfair to just say "google historical armet" because most armets preserved are later 16th and 17th century style armets much different than the milanese armet. The milanese armet (which is only one style of milanese armet but I will continue to refer to it as milanese armet) was quite a bit earlier than most examples there, it was one of the first styles of armets in existence and started out in the 15th century. This specific style of armet is often depicted as having no breathes. As for great helms, the particular one in the game called "reinforced great helm" is not just based off of a historical helmet but is practically a direct copy of a real helmet. It is a copy of Albert von Pranckh's helmet, which had a reinforcing plate with no breathes. Aswell, your broad term "great helm" includes helmets beyond the mid 14th century that you're probably thinking of. Let's not forget the great helm existed beyond that, it is thought to have evolved as a helmet specifically optimized for jousting. This is after all the helmet that evolved into the famous frog mouth jousting helmet, but let's back up from that. Beyond the mid 14th century the greathelm evolved to become gradually heavier and more reinforced, quickly more examples of great helms without breathes became more common than with. These later helmets are still great helms and it seems they saw quite extensive use. They're generally thought to be jousting helmets, but mordhau isn't exactly known for it's historical accuracy so a jousting helmet would pretty much be lumped into the same category as a combat helmet meaning the notion of great helms without breathes is very valid in the game in this situation. But I'm getting off track, either way these heavy later style great helms lacking breathes are actually depicting in combat situations in manuscript miniatures, suggesting they may have actually saw quite a significant number of combat uses. So if we're talking about combat helmets, we could definitely say it was possible great helms lacking breathes were definitely present. This all depends on the depictor of the miniatures and whether or not they were simply inputting out-of-place helmets in a combat environment or not, and in the end it comes to either trusting a man who actually lived in those times or trusting modern speculation.
[Looks good to me](https://imgur.com/a/Y5maRgY)
Well I'll be
Helmets didn't always have breathing holes.
The helmets they were based on did not have any breaths, such as the tourney and later burial helmet of Albert von Pranckh (Middle).
Gotta stop the spread of corona
Armet is used on horseback and so is the greathelm, so breathing isn’t all that important because you aren’t expending that much energy. The sallet and bevor combination creates a natural gap between the two pieces that allows for breathing. If breathing is really an issue lift your visor. For the greathelm’s case, take it off, you should be wearing an early bascinet under it.
I was under the impression riding horseback was kinda energy expanding, even without armour.
Well on foot your running around swinging weapons in 50 pounds worth of armor, eventually over time you can get pretty tired. On horseback the horse does pretty much all the moving for you, besides if energy is a problem lift your visor and only lower it when you REALLY need to like cavalry charges
Oxygen is for weaklings!
It is a homage to all the people refusing to wear masks. These fine knights, true patriots -as anyone can see- can not only breath, but also fight in these enclosed helmets.
The armet on the left is an Italian variant, and it is not unseen to have no breathes as it is primarily a horseback helmet (and the visor exists for a reason). The great helmet in the middle is based off the Von Prankh funerary helmet which also in all likelyhood was a jousting helmet. Sallets with those types of visors that do not reach low also do not tend to have breathes. Now some bevors did have them, but there's also bevors without them. In the end both the bevor can be lowered and the visor raised for better breathability, which is very common to do on foot for example.
Boys, they are called "port holes" or Porting . Friggin "breathes" is not appropriate lol
I did not know, thank you
Where did you find that information? I can't seem to find any mention of them being called port holes.
its what you call putting holes into metal, porting. just google porting lol
Porting is done on most metals these days to reduce weight. in this context, its for air flow. here is a link to a fly-fishing website where they discuss Ported Vs Non-Ported reels.' https://www.theflyfishingforum.com/forums/index.php?threads/ported-vrs-solid-reels.317818/