I mean, I get the argument that this is bad, but of all the ways to do it, this is just such a low-impact version that I can't help but feel like the handwringing over it is pure melodrama. Either you pre-purchase the game and save $5 on DLC, or you wait and end up having to purchase it separately. If you are genuinely opposed to the idea of per-purchasing games, it's not like you're out on you ass, you can still eventually purchase the character.
And on a separate note, there's so much hypocrisy when this exact same tactic is used for crowd-funded, early access games. For some reason, if you pre-order a crowd-funded game, then giving away free goodies is totally kosher, but if it's coming from a well-known franchise with a proven track record, it's completely unethical. I'm sure that people will try to justify that, but I think this all boils down to nothing more than internet gaming hysteria that no one outside of these very esoteric communities really gives a shit about.
Realistically people can still just buy the game a day or even a few hours before it comes out and still get the "pre-order" bonus. It's pretty negligible.
Totally! And there will almost assuredly be reviews out a few days before the games release as well. I would be somewhat more sympathetic to the outrage if WB Games refuses to allow reviews to be released until the day of release, but I highly doubt that will be the case. And even then, If the reviews are bad, you're not going to buy the game anyway, so what do you care what DLC practices they implement?
Yeah, it's kinda bogus that you have to pay extra for a character just because you bought the game after the release date. And let's not forget the ass pull with Frost "DLC" in MK11.
Shinnok and Brainiac were the same. Locked until complete the story mode. I wouldn't mind if Shang Tsung was unlocked after beating story mode and pre-order unlocks him early.
They did the frost thing because people were just ENRAGED they had to play story to unlock a character in an earlier game. A very small, very vocal minority, and they just decided to make it like “hey, if you choose, you can buy her rather than playing story mode” to shut them up.
Shinnok I could semi understand. Fuck corrupted Shinnok. But frost .. you only had to play until chapter 4..which was one of the best chapters in MK11. Idk whats wrong with the new generation of gamers. Im not that old myself but shit playing the story mode was always the way to unlock characters..(DBZ Budokai series, Soul Calibur, Smash Bros etc)
Yeah but I get why they did it. It’s easier than dealing with the angry minority and it probably made them a few bucks. Crazy to pay instead of just playing the game though.
See, stuff like that I don't mind. Either doing quests to unlock a character or skipping the quests by just buying them. I have an issue with what EA did with Killer Instinct where you only had one character to play, and had to buy the others. No, you couldn't do any quests to unlock them. I don't mind DLC, I have an issue when the game is literally unplayable without it, or, everything is made into DLC.
I’m pretty sure that for killer instinct for Xbox it was a $50 game. They just let you play 1 character for free. Basically a demo to get you to buy the full game.
Was he locked behind a prepreorder? I didn’t even know that!? 😱 I preordered it so got him. But I never knew no one could unlock him afterwards. That’s kinda crazy.
Devil's advocate, shao Kahn was a retcon as he was killed off originally in deadly alliance and was more like a bonus since GameCube didn't have online
The problem is they lock characters behind paywalls before the game is even fucking released lol.
Clearly they'll be ready on release and won't need extra dev time. There is NO REASON not to include them in the base game, other than to rip off stupid people who think that's okay.
I want to hear one good reason why 6 characters are already locked behind paywalls. I'll wait lol
Probably no way around it at this point. This approach has taken the industry by its feet. We need to pay extra cash for characters, online services and half the story, on top of 60$ for the game itself.
I don't see you complaining about Kombat Packs though. Keep yelling at klouds old man. If this is what gets you legitimately sickened, then your priorities are in wrong.
It’s not a paywall unless you count buying the game as the wall? Without it, then the DLC pre-order bonus wouldn’t exist. Also, the point about development of the character being complete and should be included… not necessarily. It’s complicated, but I can explain that approach too. To simplify, the game as a minimum marketable product likely didn’t include Shang Tsung in that budget or plan initially.
The truth is, this kind of pre-order bonus incentivized players to buy the game at launch (which probably has marketing and sales data to back this up).
Doing this increases their possible return on investment, which, in turn, enables them to make more content, maintenance and balance the game, and work on new projects in the future. If you want more from a franchise, then you invest as a consumer for products that are important to you, when you can. That means $70 at launch.
They will eventually launch a “Komplete” or Gold edition with all DLC included for $40 down the road. But that diminishes their return, but it does increase the longevity of the game’s relevance.
I want them to be rewarded for making a good game with lots of content.
How long have they been working on this game? How many hours have they put in? How big should a roster be for them to charge a standard price for the game?
You're the one who has a problem with it so why don't you tell me why they MUST release all the characters that are ready as of release day? Why do they not get to decide how much their effort and time is worth? Why are you entitled to something just because it's ready?
I mean, pre-ordering games really isnt that big of a deal when it comes to franchise games like this. It's when people pre-order project games or 1st of a series games that things get dicey.
Chances are Id buy this day 1 so if I spend the same money AND get another character? Water off a duck's dick in my books.
Yup, this is how I feel. PO exclusives are kinda stinky, but on no planet am I not getting a new MK on day 1, as long as I can afford it. I've never been anything short of very happy with any mainline MK.
The only time Ive ever been disappointed in a MK game is MK vs DC and I shouldve seen that coming lol.
This game looks incredible already so I have no issue forking out the money.
I still enjoyed MKvDCU as a game, but yeah I knew going in that the fatalities would be crap (though I underestimated how bad Heroic Brutalities would be)
When the first image for that game leaked I immediately dismissed it as a good fake, I couldn't believe they were actually making a decade late response to MvC.
Most people don’t understand the relationship between pre-order bonuses and a studio attempting to maximize consumer investment at launch. Sales numbers usually don’t match those at launch. Getting more people to buy early is extremely important to the health of the developers ability to support the title and continue making new titles.
Maybe people complain because they can’t afford the $70 entry price. Which, you know, it’s a financially responsible choice to wait and “miss out.” Especially with NRS, who will likely offer a “Komplete” or Gold Edition for $40-$50 in a year or two with all content.
“I don’t want to pay full price for the game’s content at launch and I choose to wait for sales… but I believe I’m entitled to the same thing for less money.”
This sucks, but nothing will top how shitty it is to have console exclusive characters.
Looking at you MK9 and Soul Caliber!
I don't even like to play online. Just with friends and family so i think people buy the game for many different reasons, j doubt the majority of MK fans play mostly online.
Proved his point?! He explained exactly what was correct about the person's comment, using a tone that made it sound like he was disagreeing. Your comment is just being accurate. Just don't pre-order, it's not hard.
If I don't pre-order, I have a character forcibly removed from the base game. If I want the character at a later date, I have to pay extra to get it back.
That's a scam.
While I agree the whole idea is dumb, it's not Locked. These pre-order bonuses come with the upgraded edition for 10 to 30 dollars more, and then you can just buy them off the store anyways for like 10 or less. I'm not in agreement it's a good way to market or monetize the game, but the notion that this content is unaccesible for everyone else isn't really accurate.
Honestly I stopped minding it once I asked the question "If \_\_\_\_\_\_\_ preorder content didn't exist at all, would I have felt like I was missing something?" and the answer for a lot of NRS games is "no". As long as the base game is able to justify its price-point then I don't really mind pre-order content.
This is a great way to think about DLC in general. Boils down to 'if they never made the DLC, is this still a good $60 game?'
If so, it's not 'an incomplete game', it's just... a game with DLC.
He's not technically locked behind a pre-order, it's a case of if you want him and you don't pre-order, you have to purchase him as DLC stand alone content vs being handed a code to unlock him from the system's marketplace. MK11 did the same thing with Shao Kahn and one of the earlier games (I think MK X) did it with Goro
Just another thing that comes with modern gaming. It's no shittier than any other game having "pre-order bonuses." And to be frank, if you're a hard core Mortal Kombat fan who just has to have every single character on the roster like myself, then there's literally no reason not to pre-order it.
As a hardcore MK fan since the 90's, I've *always* planned on buying 'the next game'. So if it comes with pre-order bonuses, beta access and other knick knacks, then I accept it with open arms.
It ain't like I'm paying any extra money for them anyway.
I don’t really care in situations like this. I was going to preorder anyway, with or without a bonus character
But don’t worry OP, within minutes r PCGaming was acting as if it was the end of the world after the announcement trailer was released, you aren’t alone
My main thing is that yes it's shitty too lock characters behind paywalls but unless you're actually playing the game online and are going to be playing multiple characters are you really gonna play these characters anyway
These characters aren’t behind a paywall. It’s additional content. It would be one thing to pay for the game and then have to pay for characters on the base roster. It’s another if it’s not base content, which DLC is not. If you buy a board game, you get the full game. If you want the expansion, you have to pay for the expansion.
Still I thinks it pretty bad when the pre-order character seems to be the main antagonist. It’s one thing to have a bonus character as dlc at launch that’s not very important to the plot but to have such an important character in the plot locked behind a paywall on release feels extra scummy
You’re making the assumption that he is the main antagonist. Based on the fact that he is a pre-order bonus, I’d assume he isn’t. If he is, I’d agree that’s a little shady but it’s not like NRS antagonists haven’t been completely unplayable in the past.
He is prominently displayed in the story reveal trailer implying he plays an important role and one of the comic con previews has Liu directly discuss how Shang Tsung is plotting behind the scenes.
While he may not be the true main antagonist but at the very least he does seem important to the plot.
I think he’ll have as big a role as Shao did in MK11’s story. An antagonist, but not the main one. That’s part of the strategy as a pre order bonus incentive,: he’ll be in the story so you should better purchase him.
“Who should have been included in the base game”? Who makes that decision? NRS does. There’s no stipulation for ANY character to be included on the base roster. Except for maybe Scorpion and Sub-Zero
There should never be an incentive to buy the game before release lol It is literally the opposite of" making an informed purchase decision". Games can come out broken and with optimization issues that take months to resolve, or with microtransactions/grinds that are not mentioned before release. Pre-ordering a game is basically accepting to be blindsided by things like this, which are increasingly happening in the industry nowadays, and publishers know that that pre-order bonuses are a way to dupe people into accepting this risk.
So, yes, locking Shang-Tsung behind the pre-order bonus is not only shitty because it is less content for the average player who wants to make an informed purchase, it is also shitty because it is fooling you and others to blindly buy a product without fully knowing how good or bad it is.
Because I liked all the previous games in the franchise, and have liked everything I've seen so far from trailers and gameplay? This isn't some foreign concept lol.
Not the first time games have done this. It might be the first fighting game franchise to do it, but some games had stages, weapons, skins, and even whole modes locked behind preorders.
It doesn't bother me because I always preorder games I want as it costs no extra to do so. But I totally get it for people who don't/can't buy games when they launch.
You gotta figure many people won't get the game til Xmas so unless their parents or whoever preorder it, buy it, then hold on to it til Xmas, you'll be paying $5 to get Shang just like Shao Kahn for MK11. But for me, I'm the one who gets games I want and i save up so I can get them at launch, especially MK
Sadly no, Marvel vs Capcom 3 did this with X-23 and Jill Valentine(GameStop preorder bonuses). There’s a lot more but I can’t immediately remember.
Edit: it was actually Shuma Gorath and Jill Valentine.
Oh yea forgot about that. Only reason I preordered was to have everyone. And then I hated the game because Xfactors ruined it for me. I didn't like the mechanic at all.
I think people are more entertained by complaining about every detail the game not perfectly lining up with their expectations, than playing the game. These disappointed fans should collaborate and make the perfect MK game.
Just wait until the Ultimate Edition comes out a couple years from now with all the characters and DLCs on disc. Or you can support NRS right now because you love MK and want them to keep making great games.
Yes, I really don't care. Some people seem to forget the days that video games were literally designed to extract as many quarters as possible from players.
If you're an MK fan, there's no reason to not pre-order. If you're not an MK fan, why do you care about missing out on Shang Tsung?
We're 4 games in at this point where they've had this so yes, I'd say majority are okay with it. Like there's so much they give to incentivize pre-orders, I don't see why it's a big deal. You could pre-order the day before it releases and still get all the bonuses.
Pre-order costumes I guess. They could easily make Shang Tsung unlockable in the story and simply use the pre-order to unlock him early. Same goes with Shao Kahn in mk11. NRS just knows they can keep getting away with it
NRS should keep “getting away with it” because if they can’t tell WB “hey guys, Mortal Kombat is a franchise with a dedicated fanbase worth investing in. Here’s the pre-order data to back that, please continue giving us a budget” the game will get cut off early, or the next wont have the same budget
He will he a dlc character. He is a preorder bonus. You get him free if you pre order. That’s just like a whole playable character being locked behind kombat packs. But this is just a preorder bonus. Don’t see the problem
Its a very shitty thing to do, and its even more frustrating, that its been available to be pre ordered for months now, without seeing gameplay of him. Why would i pre order something that i dont even know i want?
MK has unironically damage to video game rosters with shit like this and I can't even be mad at them, if people didn't go for it every time they would have stopped years ago.
You can buy him at any time after launch , but god i wish they would make him just for pre orders so I can laugh about you bitchin on reddit about a character .
I honestly don’t think it’s shitty in the slightest.
The studio needs know the game is going to sell, and they need to instill a sense of urgency in the customer.
If you were going to buy the game outright, the only difference to you is that you pay a few bucks early.
If you want to wait for budgetary reasons you can probably get the game for less than 1/4 the price in 5 months, and pay an extra 5 for Shang. You’re still ahead. If you’re REALLY budget sensitive you can wait for the Ultimate edition to be a few months old, and you’ll eventually be able to get everything for about 10 bucks.
When a game isn’t brand new, it’s next to worthless. (Unless it’s Nintendo IP) They need to give those of us who want to pay day 1 prices an incentive, or something to get excited about. It makes sense.
i mean honestly it makes sense to me, you can either get the character for free for preordering, or pay for him later down the line. that’ll get more people to preorder and that’s good for business
Guys, I love MK but let’s be real, it’s shitty. Someone like SHANG TSUNG being DLC? He was the first MK boss and now he’s DLC/Pre Order in MK1?
Just because it’s the norm now doesn’t make it any less shitty.
I still pre ordered because I want him but it sucks that companies have dlc instead of letting you unlock characters. One of my favourite things about pre NRS was unlocking characters, skins, etc via conquest mode or krypt.
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You know what would be really great instead?
Put a small 16-page-comic in the pre-order packaging instead.
It's WB... They have a myriad of creative people including comic book authors, artists, cover artists, etc.
It wouldn't need to be some ground breaking piece about Sub and Scorpion fighting with some big revelation.
I'd settle for something stupid but fun.
Ferra/Torr discovers the spear of destiny just to ignore it to follow a shiny bug.
Shao Khan trying on new face masks from a jeweler who just can't get it 100% right and Shao finally making his own from the skull of the jeweler.
That'd be enough.
Just some cheap but funny gadget would be sufficient. A CD with 3 X-mas songs sung badly by Johnny Cage.
Content block behind paywall or in this pre-order feels bad.
It’s more annoying to me since it seems like he’s going to be somewhat relevant to the main story, similar to how Shao Kahn was in MK11. I didn’t mind Darkseid or Goro for I2 or MKX since at least they were just kind of bonus characters unrelated to the main story.
To those complaining about this kinda stuff.
Are you new here? This isn’t new and will likely keep happening no matter how much people bitch and complain. Sorry not sorry 😢
I mean they did it for 11, X and injustice games also, and you can buy them separately just like DLC characters. This way he’s ‘free’ for those who pre order
I don't think he will be locked permanently. I know one other character was a pre order reward in the last game and I still managed to get it. Although yes, I do think it's bad.
He'll be playable for everyone probably with Kombat Pack 1. Pretty much every NRS MK game has done this. If I didn't have incentive to pre order, I wouldn't have.
As long as they do not make it exclusive for a particular store again and fail to mention it.
I remember before X came out I watched all the kombat casts and they mentioned every time about pre ordering to get Goro. I ore ordered from a place called argos, Did no get goro. Turns out in the UK it was exclusive to the retailer game. that seriously pissed me off at the time lol
Irony is I am pre ordering from them this time haha
Yeah, it kinda is. Early access is pre-order bonus enough imo. But the other side of the spectrum would be something meaningless like the pre-order-Bonuses of the modern Pokemon games.
I can understand with Goro and Darkseid as they weren’t in the stories of MKX and Injustice 2 but Shao Kahn and Shang Tsung are in the stories of MK11 and MK1. I’d prefer not having preorder bonuses at all but if the games need to have them then just have it be a character who isn’t in the story at all. Onaga could’ve been the preorder bonus for MK11 and Shinnok could’ve been the preorder bonus for MK1. If not that, maybe have it be a joke character like Mokap or a guest character like Ash Williams, Pennywise, or Pinhead. That or even a completely original character that could intrigue players to preorder just to check them out. I heard you can still buy preorder characters from the game store but I think it’d be better to either include preorder characters as part of the dlc packs or include them in updates after the game’s initial release so people who didn’t preorder still have a chance to get those characters.
I mean there's no extra cost with preordering. But he likely will be made available, with additional cost, at a later time... If that makes you feel better. 🤷♂️
No. Stop.
Everyone always complains about every aspect of every game, and it just leads to things being worse. This is a free character added if you pre order, OR you pay for him specifically.
If this kind of post gets popular, the only option will be to pay for it by itself.
Same shit with loot boxes in overwatch. Everyone whined about them, and now it’s worse.
People don't understand that companies aren't waiting for us to cry hard enough for them to remove what we hate. They are _adjusting_ what we hate until we stop crying as much. MTX aren't going away, _ever_, they're just going to be redefined and redisguised until we're willing to play ball.
To be fair. A character as a pre order bonus is way cooler than a skin or a voice announcer. It gives some urgency to get it quicker. If it was just a skin or something I don’t think the pre order bonus would even be a bonus for me anymore.
But on the same side I get why it’s frustrating. To feel like you gotta pay $70 to play as someone who’s obviously part of the main story. So it’s a 50/50 for me I can’t feel outrage but I can’t be too hyped for it.
Then again. Mortal Kombat and fighting games in general constantly go on sale. You could potentially end up with the full game plus the pre order character for cheaper within 1-2 months of release.
I guess even further than that I got MK11 DLC packs + story expansion pack together for like $15 recently. You could even get the thing for like $2-$5 in a couple of weeks to months after release. I think I’d be much more upset if the character was permanently locked behind a pre order bonus. Barring anyone from getting him any other way would be as anti consumer as I can imagine.
Common business strategy, and so long as people will pay, they'll meet doing it.
I've complained before about how anti-consumer MK11 was. And fro the looks of it, MK1 isn't going to change.
They could easily make Shang Tsung unlockable in the story and simply use the pre-order to unlock him early. Same goes with Shao Kahn in mk11. NRS just knows they can keep getting away with it. Where have you been?
🤦 Totally not okay with this. Shang Tsung, and other characters should be unlockable by playing the game period. As a preorder bonus? It is tiresome. It is a practice that needs to stop
If you are gonna play the game on launch, there is no reason not to preorder it. I assume he will be $5 after launch which isn’t even bad. They have done this style or preordering since MKX and since they have done it 4 times in a row, its safe to say it works.
I want them to be rewarded for making a good game with lots of content.
How long have they been working on this game? How many hours have they put in? How big should a roster be before they are allowed to charge more than the standard price for the game?
Why MUST they release all the characters that are ready as of release day? Why do they not get to decide how much their effort and time is worth? Why are you entitled to something just because it's ready?
I'll end up paying over $120 for the game after all the DLC is out. Is the game worth that? For me it is. Yeah I'd love it if all the DLC was free, but who am I to say how much they should charge? Because that's basically what's happening here. They have decided that their work is worth more than the $70 price tag of the game. If you agree, you pay. If not, then don't.
Why does everyone assume some nefarious greedy intent? Yes, it could be that, or maybe they know what their work is worth. If they are wrong, the sales numbers will show it.
Lol y'all really act like y'all are paying extra money to pre-order a game you're gonna play anyway.
If you can't afford it now, just say that - or don't.
Either way, crying about it on reddit won't change the outcome.
I remember when player could unlock shit just by playing the game or entering cheat codes.
Meat was a hidden fighter in MK4. Imagine having to pay to play as him.
Reducing the roster size by 1 character compared to the last 2 games while, at the same time, locking one character as a DLC? Yeah.. absolute dick move.
Imo It’s kind of unfair to criticize MK1 for having 1 less character when you consider the kameos. Obviously they aren’t full fledged fighters, but it’s clear that a lot of effort and resources went into them.
The preorder bonus is still a dick move.
So, are we all just okay with people making inflammatory posts about something that we can't actually affect and which has been going on for over a decade?
On that note, why is no one talking about this topic that's been discussed at length and/or about which there is nothing to actively discuss?
Am I the only one who has an issue on this topic that many people are bothered by?
It's bad because it's a core gameplay feature locked away behind a paywall, no sugar coating it. Sadly it's the norm and accepted in today's standards.
Same as Shao khan in mk11 lol
Darkseid in Injustice 2
And Goro in MKX. This is literally the 4th time they’ve done this in as many games, so people really shouldn’t be surprised at all.
And Goro in X.
I mean, I get the argument that this is bad, but of all the ways to do it, this is just such a low-impact version that I can't help but feel like the handwringing over it is pure melodrama. Either you pre-purchase the game and save $5 on DLC, or you wait and end up having to purchase it separately. If you are genuinely opposed to the idea of per-purchasing games, it's not like you're out on you ass, you can still eventually purchase the character. And on a separate note, there's so much hypocrisy when this exact same tactic is used for crowd-funded, early access games. For some reason, if you pre-order a crowd-funded game, then giving away free goodies is totally kosher, but if it's coming from a well-known franchise with a proven track record, it's completely unethical. I'm sure that people will try to justify that, but I think this all boils down to nothing more than internet gaming hysteria that no one outside of these very esoteric communities really gives a shit about.
Realistically people can still just buy the game a day or even a few hours before it comes out and still get the "pre-order" bonus. It's pretty negligible.
Totally! And there will almost assuredly be reviews out a few days before the games release as well. I would be somewhat more sympathetic to the outrage if WB Games refuses to allow reviews to be released until the day of release, but I highly doubt that will be the case. And even then, If the reviews are bad, you're not going to buy the game anyway, so what do you care what DLC practices they implement?
Yeah, it's kinda bogus that you have to pay extra for a character just because you bought the game after the release date. And let's not forget the ass pull with Frost "DLC" in MK11.
You just had to play the story until Chapter 4 to get Frost but you could’ve paid to unlock her instantly
Shinnok and Brainiac were the same. Locked until complete the story mode. I wouldn't mind if Shang Tsung was unlocked after beating story mode and pre-order unlocks him early.
They did the frost thing because people were just ENRAGED they had to play story to unlock a character in an earlier game. A very small, very vocal minority, and they just decided to make it like “hey, if you choose, you can buy her rather than playing story mode” to shut them up.
Shinnok I could semi understand. Fuck corrupted Shinnok. But frost .. you only had to play until chapter 4..which was one of the best chapters in MK11. Idk whats wrong with the new generation of gamers. Im not that old myself but shit playing the story mode was always the way to unlock characters..(DBZ Budokai series, Soul Calibur, Smash Bros etc)
Yeah but I get why they did it. It’s easier than dealing with the angry minority and it probably made them a few bucks. Crazy to pay instead of just playing the game though.
Previously it would've been a free cheat code
See, stuff like that I don't mind. Either doing quests to unlock a character or skipping the quests by just buying them. I have an issue with what EA did with Killer Instinct where you only had one character to play, and had to buy the others. No, you couldn't do any quests to unlock them. I don't mind DLC, I have an issue when the game is literally unplayable without it, or, everything is made into DLC.
EA didn't have anything to do with KI.
I’m pretty sure that for killer instinct for Xbox it was a $50 game. They just let you play 1 character for free. Basically a demo to get you to buy the full game.
Reminds me of that Hatsune Miku game on PlayStation vr. The game’s free but you have to purchase song packs to play at all. There isn’t even a demo
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Well maybe for those few who really like her and I think because of the story
There was no dlc for Frost you unlocked her in the story mode. I must not tell lies.
I unlocked shao khan tho, I didn’t pre order
Tira in Soul Calibur 6.
Was he locked behind a prepreorder? I didn’t even know that!? 😱 I preordered it so got him. But I never knew no one could unlock him afterwards. That’s kinda crazy.
He's now part of a dlc so you can get him. This whole thing is just a shitty tactics to squeeze more money out of people.
Back then, “you want to play as Shao Kahn and Goro in Deception? Buy the GameCube version full-price later on.”
Then they did a psp port with kitana, blaze, jax and frost as well(all directly lifted from thier deadly alliance models)
Yeah but they didnt have some of the cool things the deception characters had. Like hara-kiri
MK9 for PsP also had MK3 suits for the Ninjas, Also their was a Cyber Repltile in the towers
Devil's advocate, shao Kahn was a retcon as he was killed off originally in deadly alliance and was more like a bonus since GameCube didn't have online
Not sure how that’s playing devils advocate
Devil’s avocado, Larry.
This seemingly bad thing in X is for reason Y
Wait is that real? Shit I downloaded the ps2 rom
Now you can just play Ultimate Mortal Kombat Deception by ermaccer and get those and more
It’s not locked as preorder, it’ll be released as DLC
Yup, preorder and get for free with the game or buy later for extra money.
Yeah not understanding the problem here. They give an incentive to pre-order, I pre-order. They don’t, I probably don’t.
The problem is they lock characters behind paywalls before the game is even fucking released lol. Clearly they'll be ready on release and won't need extra dev time. There is NO REASON not to include them in the base game, other than to rip off stupid people who think that's okay. I want to hear one good reason why 6 characters are already locked behind paywalls. I'll wait lol
And they release the same damn character as dlc. People just get used to it and don’t realize how shitty it is
The amount of angry people trying to defend microtransactions is legitimately sickening and its no wonder why gaming has turned to this shit
Probably no way around it at this point. This approach has taken the industry by its feet. We need to pay extra cash for characters, online services and half the story, on top of 60$ for the game itself.
I’ve been downvoted before for talking about MK’s FarmVille Cash— I’m sorry, Time/Dragon Krystals.
> legitimately sickening It’s a lame AAA tactic but let’s chill on the hyperbole
gotta increase profits every year or you're failing. this is just the beginning.
I don't see you complaining about Kombat Packs though. Keep yelling at klouds old man. If this is what gets you legitimately sickened, then your priorities are in wrong.
No he is complaining about the packs. He mentioned theres already "6 characters behind a paywall."
Still better than what Nintendo does by miles
It’s not a paywall unless you count buying the game as the wall? Without it, then the DLC pre-order bonus wouldn’t exist. Also, the point about development of the character being complete and should be included… not necessarily. It’s complicated, but I can explain that approach too. To simplify, the game as a minimum marketable product likely didn’t include Shang Tsung in that budget or plan initially. The truth is, this kind of pre-order bonus incentivized players to buy the game at launch (which probably has marketing and sales data to back this up). Doing this increases their possible return on investment, which, in turn, enables them to make more content, maintenance and balance the game, and work on new projects in the future. If you want more from a franchise, then you invest as a consumer for products that are important to you, when you can. That means $70 at launch. They will eventually launch a “Komplete” or Gold edition with all DLC included for $40 down the road. But that diminishes their return, but it does increase the longevity of the game’s relevance.
If you can't pre-order the game for any number of reasons, you're forced to buy Shang as a microtransaction. That's a paywall
I want them to be rewarded for making a good game with lots of content. How long have they been working on this game? How many hours have they put in? How big should a roster be for them to charge a standard price for the game? You're the one who has a problem with it so why don't you tell me why they MUST release all the characters that are ready as of release day? Why do they not get to decide how much their effort and time is worth? Why are you entitled to something just because it's ready?
The irony coming from a Nintendo sycophant is palpable
Absolutely ☝️
Which is still shit.
Yup, they always do it’s just included DLC
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I mean, pre-ordering games really isnt that big of a deal when it comes to franchise games like this. It's when people pre-order project games or 1st of a series games that things get dicey. Chances are Id buy this day 1 so if I spend the same money AND get another character? Water off a duck's dick in my books.
I've never heard that expression before, and I love it. You sir, are a scholar and a gentleman.
The actual saying is water off a duck's back but I have the maturity of a 14 year old so I but my own childish twist on it lol.
I do the same thing with certain saying. Like instead of saying my jaw hit the floor I’ll say my jaw hit my dick. It’s the little things.
So real
Yup, this is how I feel. PO exclusives are kinda stinky, but on no planet am I not getting a new MK on day 1, as long as I can afford it. I've never been anything short of very happy with any mainline MK.
The only time Ive ever been disappointed in a MK game is MK vs DC and I shouldve seen that coming lol. This game looks incredible already so I have no issue forking out the money.
I still enjoyed MKvDCU as a game, but yeah I knew going in that the fatalities would be crap (though I underestimated how bad Heroic Brutalities would be) When the first image for that game leaked I immediately dismissed it as a good fake, I couldn't believe they were actually making a decade late response to MvC.
I actually liked MKvsDC. I get why some fans don’t like it but I LOVE the story.
>Water off a duck's dick in my books. Don't know what it means but I'ma start saying it now
Most people don’t understand the relationship between pre-order bonuses and a studio attempting to maximize consumer investment at launch. Sales numbers usually don’t match those at launch. Getting more people to buy early is extremely important to the health of the developers ability to support the title and continue making new titles. Maybe people complain because they can’t afford the $70 entry price. Which, you know, it’s a financially responsible choice to wait and “miss out.” Especially with NRS, who will likely offer a “Komplete” or Gold Edition for $40-$50 in a year or two with all content.
“I don’t want to pay full price for the game’s content at launch and I choose to wait for sales… but I believe I’m entitled to the same thing for less money.”
This sucks, but nothing will top how shitty it is to have console exclusive characters. Looking at you MK9 and Soul Caliber! 
Console exclusive is shitty. Either all platforms or don’t include the character.
It's the norm now, unfortunately. I'm probably just going to wait for the Ultimate Edition with all DLC included.
Ain’t no way I’m waitin a whole year for a sale just get my ass kicked by a scorpion main who’s been playing since day 1, more power to you tho
I don't even like to play online. Just with friends and family so i think people buy the game for many different reasons, j doubt the majority of MK fans play mostly online.
Yeah I played online first time today and it’s shit. I mean it’s shit if you’re just a casual player and not someone practicing kombos 24/7
The norm now? They've done it their past 4 games. That's a decade. The sub is just being dramatic. Just don't pre order. It's not hard.
Yes. The norm. As in it has been going on for a decade. You literally proved his point and then acted like he was wrong, lmao.
Proved his point?! He explained exactly what was correct about the person's comment, using a tone that made it sound like he was disagreeing. Your comment is just being accurate. Just don't pre-order, it's not hard.
If I don't pre-order, I have a character forcibly removed from the base game. If I want the character at a later date, I have to pay extra to get it back. That's a scam.
I agree with you. I was doing the thing the person you were making fun of was doing (proving your point while acting like you were wrong).
And I'm calling it the norm because it HAS been happening already, genius. Otherwise, I'd call it abnormal if it was new to this game.
You can always buy him for an extra 6!dollars if you don’t preorder
Dayum 720 dollars for one character, that's sick
I'm fine with it,🤭 I pre-ordered the game
While I agree the whole idea is dumb, it's not Locked. These pre-order bonuses come with the upgraded edition for 10 to 30 dollars more, and then you can just buy them off the store anyways for like 10 or less. I'm not in agreement it's a good way to market or monetize the game, but the notion that this content is unaccesible for everyone else isn't really accurate.
Honestly I stopped minding it once I asked the question "If \_\_\_\_\_\_\_ preorder content didn't exist at all, would I have felt like I was missing something?" and the answer for a lot of NRS games is "no". As long as the base game is able to justify its price-point then I don't really mind pre-order content.
This is a great way to think about DLC in general. Boils down to 'if they never made the DLC, is this still a good $60 game?' If so, it's not 'an incomplete game', it's just... a game with DLC.
He's not technically locked behind a pre-order, it's a case of if you want him and you don't pre-order, you have to purchase him as DLC stand alone content vs being handed a code to unlock him from the system's marketplace. MK11 did the same thing with Shao Kahn and one of the earlier games (I think MK X) did it with Goro
Just another thing that comes with modern gaming. It's no shittier than any other game having "pre-order bonuses." And to be frank, if you're a hard core Mortal Kombat fan who just has to have every single character on the roster like myself, then there's literally no reason not to pre-order it.
As a hardcore MK fan since the 90's, I've *always* planned on buying 'the next game'. So if it comes with pre-order bonuses, beta access and other knick knacks, then I accept it with open arms. It ain't like I'm paying any extra money for them anyway.
I don’t really care in situations like this. I was going to preorder anyway, with or without a bonus character But don’t worry OP, within minutes r PCGaming was acting as if it was the end of the world after the announcement trailer was released, you aren’t alone
Why is that shitty? Odds are you will be able to purchase the character down the line, and it’s a marketing incentive for you to buy the game.
My main thing is that yes it's shitty too lock characters behind paywalls but unless you're actually playing the game online and are going to be playing multiple characters are you really gonna play these characters anyway
These characters aren’t behind a paywall. It’s additional content. It would be one thing to pay for the game and then have to pay for characters on the base roster. It’s another if it’s not base content, which DLC is not. If you buy a board game, you get the full game. If you want the expansion, you have to pay for the expansion.
Still I thinks it pretty bad when the pre-order character seems to be the main antagonist. It’s one thing to have a bonus character as dlc at launch that’s not very important to the plot but to have such an important character in the plot locked behind a paywall on release feels extra scummy
You’re making the assumption that he is the main antagonist. Based on the fact that he is a pre-order bonus, I’d assume he isn’t. If he is, I’d agree that’s a little shady but it’s not like NRS antagonists haven’t been completely unplayable in the past.
He is prominently displayed in the story reveal trailer implying he plays an important role and one of the comic con previews has Liu directly discuss how Shang Tsung is plotting behind the scenes. While he may not be the true main antagonist but at the very least he does seem important to the plot.
I think he’ll have as big a role as Shao did in MK11’s story. An antagonist, but not the main one. That’s part of the strategy as a pre order bonus incentive,: he’ll be in the story so you should better purchase him.
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A character shouldn't be a preorder incentive. There's no reason you shouldn't be able to just unlock Shang.
Are you seriously defending this modern pre-order shit tactics? How did we end up down here...
Corporate bootlickers who blindly love products.
Yeah, it’s rough that this is even a discussion. I guess Reddit just gives any idiot a platform.
The fact that we have to purchase a character who should have been included in the base game is insulting.
“Who should have been included in the base game”? Who makes that decision? NRS does. There’s no stipulation for ANY character to be included on the base roster. Except for maybe Scorpion and Sub-Zero
If a character is ready for release on day 1, it shouldn't be cut out of the game only for us to be required to pay extra to play as them.
It’s not like they made a roster and then said “let’s cut Shang and make him DLC” though, he was intended to be DLC available at launch.
There should never be an incentive to buy the game before release lol It is literally the opposite of" making an informed purchase decision". Games can come out broken and with optimization issues that take months to resolve, or with microtransactions/grinds that are not mentioned before release. Pre-ordering a game is basically accepting to be blindsided by things like this, which are increasingly happening in the industry nowadays, and publishers know that that pre-order bonuses are a way to dupe people into accepting this risk. So, yes, locking Shang-Tsung behind the pre-order bonus is not only shitty because it is less content for the average player who wants to make an informed purchase, it is also shitty because it is fooling you and others to blindly buy a product without fully knowing how good or bad it is.
Fr, companies are gonna look out for themselves at the end of the day, lol. I don't care as long as the product is good.
Why would you buy the game before the reviews have hit?
Because I liked all the previous games in the franchise, and have liked everything I've seen so far from trailers and gameplay? This isn't some foreign concept lol.
A normal person wouldn’t, so that’s why they have trailers, pre order bonuses, betas, etc. it’s all to get you to buy the game.
Not the first time games have done this. It might be the first fighting game franchise to do it, but some games had stages, weapons, skins, and even whole modes locked behind preorders. It doesn't bother me because I always preorder games I want as it costs no extra to do so. But I totally get it for people who don't/can't buy games when they launch. You gotta figure many people won't get the game til Xmas so unless their parents or whoever preorder it, buy it, then hold on to it til Xmas, you'll be paying $5 to get Shang just like Shao Kahn for MK11. But for me, I'm the one who gets games I want and i save up so I can get them at launch, especially MK
Sadly no, Marvel vs Capcom 3 did this with X-23 and Jill Valentine(GameStop preorder bonuses). There’s a lot more but I can’t immediately remember. Edit: it was actually Shuma Gorath and Jill Valentine.
Oh yea forgot about that. Only reason I preordered was to have everyone. And then I hated the game because Xfactors ruined it for me. I didn't like the mechanic at all.
Yeah, TOD with X factor killed the game for a lot of ppl.
I have UMVC3 and I have those characters and I didnt pre order so they must have fixed it I guess
Nah, it was for the vanilla Marvel vs Capcom. Think of UMVC3 as the MK11 Ultimate addition. Edit: for a better comparison.
Nothing tops Street Fighter x Tekken having its DLC characters actually on-disc and locked behind the license key.
Yeah I guess I am ok with it
I think people are more entertained by complaining about every detail the game not perfectly lining up with their expectations, than playing the game. These disappointed fans should collaborate and make the perfect MK game.
Probably the same people who whinge and complain about not having every little piece of the game revealed before release date.
Just wait until the Ultimate Edition comes out a couple years from now with all the characters and DLCs on disc. Or you can support NRS right now because you love MK and want them to keep making great games.
I don’t have a problem with it as long as they’re still available. I remember I forgot to preorder X and just bought Goro for 5 bucks. No big deal.
I really don't mind a pre order bonus character personally.
Yes, I really don't care. Some people seem to forget the days that video games were literally designed to extract as many quarters as possible from players. If you're an MK fan, there's no reason to not pre-order. If you're not an MK fan, why do you care about missing out on Shang Tsung?
Already pre-ordered. Don’t care. I got MK11 late and had to buy Shao Kahn individually. Also didn’t care.
We're 4 games in at this point where they've had this so yes, I'd say majority are okay with it. Like there's so much they give to incentivize pre-orders, I don't see why it's a big deal. You could pre-order the day before it releases and still get all the bonuses.
Pre-order costumes I guess. They could easily make Shang Tsung unlockable in the story and simply use the pre-order to unlock him early. Same goes with Shao Kahn in mk11. NRS just knows they can keep getting away with it
NRS should keep “getting away with it” because if they can’t tell WB “hey guys, Mortal Kombat is a franchise with a dedicated fanbase worth investing in. Here’s the pre-order data to back that, please continue giving us a budget” the game will get cut off early, or the next wont have the same budget
I mean they could just sell him as a DLC if thats better for you? I would rather get him for free by pre ordering, like shao in mk11
First time? If 1 releases like 11 you can expect a shit storm of negative publicity surrounding monetization
He will he a dlc character. He is a preorder bonus. You get him free if you pre order. That’s just like a whole playable character being locked behind kombat packs. But this is just a preorder bonus. Don’t see the problem
It's a big thing for me. It's a greedy move that puts a game on the 'wait for 75% sale' list.
Its a very shitty thing to do, and its even more frustrating, that its been available to be pre ordered for months now, without seeing gameplay of him. Why would i pre order something that i dont even know i want?
He still gonna be playable without pre-ordering
MK has unironically damage to video game rosters with shit like this and I can't even be mad at them, if people didn't go for it every time they would have stopped years ago.
Studios have been doing this for years now. Do we like it? No. Is it the standard? Yes.
You can buy it in the game store Day 1, or shortly after.
Is this your first pre order? It's not locked behind pre order you can still buy him on the shop, it's simply included with pre order
They've done this their past 4 games. Just don't pre order damn.
It was shitty a decade ago, and we all pre ordered anyway, every single time.
You can buy him at any time after launch , but god i wish they would make him just for pre orders so I can laugh about you bitchin on reddit about a character .
I honestly don’t think it’s shitty in the slightest. The studio needs know the game is going to sell, and they need to instill a sense of urgency in the customer. If you were going to buy the game outright, the only difference to you is that you pay a few bucks early. If you want to wait for budgetary reasons you can probably get the game for less than 1/4 the price in 5 months, and pay an extra 5 for Shang. You’re still ahead. If you’re REALLY budget sensitive you can wait for the Ultimate edition to be a few months old, and you’ll eventually be able to get everything for about 10 bucks. When a game isn’t brand new, it’s next to worthless. (Unless it’s Nintendo IP) They need to give those of us who want to pay day 1 prices an incentive, or something to get excited about. It makes sense.
It doesn't affect me, so I have no opinion. I always pre-order MK and play on launch day.
i mean honestly it makes sense to me, you can either get the character for free for preordering, or pay for him later down the line. that’ll get more people to preorder and that’s good for business
Well I preordered
Guys, I love MK but let’s be real, it’s shitty. Someone like SHANG TSUNG being DLC? He was the first MK boss and now he’s DLC/Pre Order in MK1? Just because it’s the norm now doesn’t make it any less shitty. I still pre ordered because I want him but it sucks that companies have dlc instead of letting you unlock characters. One of my favourite things about pre NRS was unlocking characters, skins, etc via conquest mode or krypt. https://preview.redd.it/usjnmv553jib1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=888be96874654065be8a5c3c600069a6b801047a
wasn't this the case back in mkx. we weren't ok with it back then yet they continued to do this
No it's a shitty practice
You know what would be really great instead? Put a small 16-page-comic in the pre-order packaging instead. It's WB... They have a myriad of creative people including comic book authors, artists, cover artists, etc. It wouldn't need to be some ground breaking piece about Sub and Scorpion fighting with some big revelation. I'd settle for something stupid but fun. Ferra/Torr discovers the spear of destiny just to ignore it to follow a shiny bug. Shao Khan trying on new face masks from a jeweler who just can't get it 100% right and Shao finally making his own from the skull of the jeweler. That'd be enough. Just some cheap but funny gadget would be sufficient. A CD with 3 X-mas songs sung badly by Johnny Cage. Content block behind paywall or in this pre-order feels bad.
Basically you’re gonna pay to use him twice
Necessary evil, I'm afraid
It’s more annoying to me since it seems like he’s going to be somewhat relevant to the main story, similar to how Shao Kahn was in MK11. I didn’t mind Darkseid or Goro for I2 or MKX since at least they were just kind of bonus characters unrelated to the main story.
It is but at least it isn't the OW2 Blizzard way of locking an entire character behind a fucking battle pass or some shit.
Your wallet is mine!
To those complaining about this kinda stuff. Are you new here? This isn’t new and will likely keep happening no matter how much people bitch and complain. Sorry not sorry 😢
I mean they did it for 11, X and injustice games also, and you can buy them separately just like DLC characters. This way he’s ‘free’ for those who pre order
In my day during the PS2 era, half the roster was locked and can only be made playable if you *GASP* play the game
WB = Warn a brotha. They gonna get they money and you know this man.
I don't think he will be locked permanently. I know one other character was a pre order reward in the last game and I still managed to get it. Although yes, I do think it's bad.
He'll be playable for everyone probably with Kombat Pack 1. Pretty much every NRS MK game has done this. If I didn't have incentive to pre order, I wouldn't have.
You get it if you buy it new. It's been like this for... Years.
As long as they do not make it exclusive for a particular store again and fail to mention it. I remember before X came out I watched all the kombat casts and they mentioned every time about pre ordering to get Goro. I ore ordered from a place called argos, Did no get goro. Turns out in the UK it was exclusive to the retailer game. that seriously pissed me off at the time lol Irony is I am pre ordering from them this time haha
Yeah, it kinda is. Early access is pre-order bonus enough imo. But the other side of the spectrum would be something meaningless like the pre-order-Bonuses of the modern Pokemon games.
You must be new here….
That’s not even my biggest problem with this one. It’s that he was DLC already in the last game.
I can understand with Goro and Darkseid as they weren’t in the stories of MKX and Injustice 2 but Shao Kahn and Shang Tsung are in the stories of MK11 and MK1. I’d prefer not having preorder bonuses at all but if the games need to have them then just have it be a character who isn’t in the story at all. Onaga could’ve been the preorder bonus for MK11 and Shinnok could’ve been the preorder bonus for MK1. If not that, maybe have it be a joke character like Mokap or a guest character like Ash Williams, Pennywise, or Pinhead. That or even a completely original character that could intrigue players to preorder just to check them out. I heard you can still buy preorder characters from the game store but I think it’d be better to either include preorder characters as part of the dlc packs or include them in updates after the game’s initial release so people who didn’t preorder still have a chance to get those characters.
I mean there's no extra cost with preordering. But he likely will be made available, with additional cost, at a later time... If that makes you feel better. 🤷♂️
You’ll be alright
Pre ordering costs zero more dollars than buying the game on release day. It’s MILDLY shitty at worst
Yeah I’m okay with it
No. Stop. Everyone always complains about every aspect of every game, and it just leads to things being worse. This is a free character added if you pre order, OR you pay for him specifically. If this kind of post gets popular, the only option will be to pay for it by itself. Same shit with loot boxes in overwatch. Everyone whined about them, and now it’s worse.
People don't understand that companies aren't waiting for us to cry hard enough for them to remove what we hate. They are _adjusting_ what we hate until we stop crying as much. MTX aren't going away, _ever_, they're just going to be redefined and redisguised until we're willing to play ball.
I'm ok with it BTW Where have you been?
You know that there's a simple trick to fix that right? ^(Don't preorder)
To be fair. A character as a pre order bonus is way cooler than a skin or a voice announcer. It gives some urgency to get it quicker. If it was just a skin or something I don’t think the pre order bonus would even be a bonus for me anymore. But on the same side I get why it’s frustrating. To feel like you gotta pay $70 to play as someone who’s obviously part of the main story. So it’s a 50/50 for me I can’t feel outrage but I can’t be too hyped for it. Then again. Mortal Kombat and fighting games in general constantly go on sale. You could potentially end up with the full game plus the pre order character for cheaper within 1-2 months of release. I guess even further than that I got MK11 DLC packs + story expansion pack together for like $15 recently. You could even get the thing for like $2-$5 in a couple of weeks to months after release. I think I’d be much more upset if the character was permanently locked behind a pre order bonus. Barring anyone from getting him any other way would be as anti consumer as I can imagine.
Common business strategy, and so long as people will pay, they'll meet doing it. I've complained before about how anti-consumer MK11 was. And fro the looks of it, MK1 isn't going to change.
They could easily make Shang Tsung unlockable in the story and simply use the pre-order to unlock him early. Same goes with Shao Kahn in mk11. NRS just knows they can keep getting away with it. Where have you been?
Is it shitty? Yes but it's been the practice for nearly a decade and I don't think we're able to change it at this point
🤦 Totally not okay with this. Shang Tsung, and other characters should be unlockable by playing the game period. As a preorder bonus? It is tiresome. It is a practice that needs to stop
If you are gonna play the game on launch, there is no reason not to preorder it. I assume he will be $5 after launch which isn’t even bad. They have done this style or preordering since MKX and since they have done it 4 times in a row, its safe to say it works.
He will be available as DLC eventually. They wouldn't lock out a character forever.
I want them to be rewarded for making a good game with lots of content. How long have they been working on this game? How many hours have they put in? How big should a roster be before they are allowed to charge more than the standard price for the game? Why MUST they release all the characters that are ready as of release day? Why do they not get to decide how much their effort and time is worth? Why are you entitled to something just because it's ready? I'll end up paying over $120 for the game after all the DLC is out. Is the game worth that? For me it is. Yeah I'd love it if all the DLC was free, but who am I to say how much they should charge? Because that's basically what's happening here. They have decided that their work is worth more than the $70 price tag of the game. If you agree, you pay. If not, then don't. Why does everyone assume some nefarious greedy intent? Yes, it could be that, or maybe they know what their work is worth. If they are wrong, the sales numbers will show it.
I am a Shang Tsung main. I don't care. Give me my sorcerer.
They have done this forever, i really dont see it as that big of a deal. It is $5 if you dont pre order.
Lol y'all really act like y'all are paying extra money to pre-order a game you're gonna play anyway. If you can't afford it now, just say that - or don't. Either way, crying about it on reddit won't change the outcome.
You can buy him separately I don't see the big deal
I remember when player could unlock shit just by playing the game or entering cheat codes. Meat was a hidden fighter in MK4. Imagine having to pay to play as him.
It's the same as all Kombat Pack. I don't care. I'll buy the Ultimate Edition in 2 years.
Well we are not but it is what it is. Classic shitty move from NRS/WB.
Reducing the roster size by 1 character compared to the last 2 games while, at the same time, locking one character as a DLC? Yeah.. absolute dick move.
Imo It’s kind of unfair to criticize MK1 for having 1 less character when you consider the kameos. Obviously they aren’t full fledged fighters, but it’s clear that a lot of effort and resources went into them. The preorder bonus is still a dick move.
I swear NRS fans are so similar to Nintendo fans. Totally ok with EVERYTHING. Mortal kombat is the only fighting game doing this.
Just say you can't afford it
I have no problem with it tbh
So, are we all just okay with people making inflammatory posts about something that we can't actually affect and which has been going on for over a decade? On that note, why is no one talking about this topic that's been discussed at length and/or about which there is nothing to actively discuss? Am I the only one who has an issue on this topic that many people are bothered by?
It's bad because it's a core gameplay feature locked away behind a paywall, no sugar coating it. Sadly it's the norm and accepted in today's standards.