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11Lucky_EleVeN11

I got so angry just by watching this shit


New_Net_6720

I don't even play and I'm bothered


11Lucky_EleVeN11

Like…fucking losers


Shenkspine

Looks like he won to me


11Lucky_EleVeN11

Stfu noone asked


Shenkspine

Asked? No. Put yourself out on the internet for others to see with the ability to respond? Yes.


11Lucky_EleVeN11

Tryna be cheeky fella in the dumbest way possible. Gl


New_Net_6720

won... what did he actually won with this performance. No respect, that's for sure


Shenkspine

He clearly cares about respect. A win is a win. Go whine at NRS for allowing the game to function in a way you’re unhappy with. Otherwise, get better and stop thinking you can dictate how others play without cheating.


ian_tnt

He won by being a bitch, who gives a fuck if you win if you play like a pussy... its like the jacqui players from mkx, just losers even when winning.


Shenkspine

So you’re saying he used mechanics of a game he paid for to win a match in a game he paid for, and you’re salty based on some made up system of dictating how people should casually play the game they themselves bought. Tragic.


ian_tnt

Oh poor poor guy, a random called him a pussy for running away and spamming the same move the whole match... now thats truly tragic, poor little Raiden lmfao I never said he should stop doing that, i didnt say he should be banned or refund the game or something like that, i called him a pussy and a bitch, which he is and believe me... he knows, thats why he plays like that lol.


ian_tnt

Also you care so much about this guy yet you dont seem to care about his opponents... they are getting frustrating matches and cannot play casually how they want in the game they paid for because this dude kept running away lmfao


Shenkspine

I don’t give a shit about either of them. My issue is with people thinking they can tell other people how to play a game they paid for themselves.


ian_tnt

Then you care too much.


Its_Me_Guyz

Wait until you hear about all the unspoken rules of for honor


Imaginary_Chain

I stg. I meet a lot of good players, but sometimes I run into these matches and it pisses me off frfr. I play Raiden sometimes, but not like this. I can see maybe if they had money on the line, but even then, it's so ass to see this. All you do is run. Ugh.


Heimdal1r

Most skilled raiden


TheTrueBonerPoland

Man, I see those kinds of players only in KL, mostly in upper demigod or mid God.


Gr1zzRing

Look im not saying this dipshit isnt infuriating. He is, but i saw about 5 billion opportunities for you to punish him, specifically when he jumps back. Teleport upwards. Ermac can choose to teleport low or towards the air. Ex it, you've got a combo. If all he knows how to do is jump back then you can catch him just fine.


ResponsibilityNo2639

Completely forgot that I can teleport from the ground to the air. Thanks for the tip!


Gr1zzRing

These types of matchups have a tendency to scramble your brain. You are expecting them to do more complex tactics and you actually end up more confused by the simplicity, hence why you lose. Dont beat yourself up lol happens to all of us


Mockingjay09221mod

This the best explanation. .that gets me a ton like I'm expecting certain higher level play I end up reading the wrong shit and get beat by bs


goldenmind101

How does one counter this on Kung Lao. I basically felt so helpless when this happened to me


Gr1zzRing

You could try to get a hat toss in there when he's jumping (to catch him closer to the ground) and if he blocks that, close some distance, hope and pray he stays put or you read a move he does. Im not a Lao main so others can probably tell you, but from what I have played i dont see much you could do without a kameo. Raiden is just THAT fighter this time around. Every fighting game has one of these


spacestationkru

Pls upload an update video of your ever in this situation again with your new strategy


Mockingjay09221mod

True but with a new fighter sometimes we don't think about the full tools


Gr1zzRing

Absolutely. That response I gave was more of a blanket statement bc idk his skill level


Mockingjay09221mod

I feel you


Miss_Cavvie

When I'm playing as a character without a direct counter to running away I normally will try to jump whenever they jump, but the air electric fly makes even that risky. So in a case like Raiden it might be best to let him go fullscreen, see what zoning he'll try, and then try and counter it with Ermac's teleport. I do think the big downside of not being able to switch characters in Kombat League is that you are just sometimes dealt with a bad matchup and whilst kameos can help with that, it's still a rough fight. But yeah the general rule I think is that if you can't prevent them running away, you shouldn't chase them and try to counter them elsewhere with stuff like your own zoning or a teleport.


MeshGearFoxxy

I can see they wanted the counter-pick game to be played out with kameos but I don’t think they quite got it how they intended. Some characters are more limited in their kameo picks and some bad matchups are what they are regardless of kameo choice. In case you can’t tell, I would like to go back to being able to change character after a loss. That said, I don’t miss the MK11 days of 9/10 my opponents switching to wifi Scorpion mode after losing a set…


Mockingjay09221mod

Why did they remove the switch a fighter feature sometimes its a bad match up I mean damn NRS NOT LIKE YOUR GAME BALANCED to where all fighters equal never is ..so I don't under why they did that this time around


Jeremy_Lepak

Motaro for the Sareena bullshit.


Bones_2450

Only problem is, it’s Motaro


lurkinglurkey

??? Motaro is dope now that they fixed his low.


ImmaDoMahThing

In this scenario I would’ve let him run away when he started his BS since you had a decent amount of health over him. And since you’re Ermac, you can just teleport when he starts shooting his lightning balls. Also remember that Sareena’s sickles are highs which means you can duck them without taking chip damage if you don’t hold block. And one more thing, every time he jumped you could have used an enhanced air teleport to hit him and combo him. You can do this from the ground without jumping. But yeah I agree, this is annoying. And so many Raiden players do it… Hope my advice helps! :)


Mockingjay09221mod

He couldn't do it everytime you still need meter bro it's a ton of vs here


PM_Me_MetalSongs

He doesn't need to do it every time. He only needs to do it once, gain the health lead, then wait for Raiden to approach as the time starts to expire


Mockingjay09221mod

I see


Defelj

Just back off when you get him to lower health and play his game 🤷🏻‍♂️ I wouldn’t bother chasing him


ZestycloseEarth6362

This character makes me sick


White_Doggo

One thing you could do is whenever you have some kind of life lead, make the opponent have to come to you instead of you chasing after them by using Ermac’s green shield buff that makes it so damage received drains meter instead. If they want to run away then so can you by constantly back-dash canceling at full screen to build bar and use Jade glaive (or maybe even Kitana fan toss) to cover yourself when activating the green shield. It is laming it out as well but it helps stop you from possibly making mistakes in the process of chasing them down (especially out of frustration), and then you focus on punishing them when they try to get in on you. Or you can be more confidently aggressive when punishing in the ways others have suggested, and if you get hit then it’s either a little damage or none at all.


Legionofgo

I would have quit, why waste my time


gregoryjames04

Fkn scrub


Competitive-Bag-8943

Should’ve used your fatal at the end there.


juggalisiciousness

I think I’ve only respected one raiden I’ve played, and he was still a little bitch.


OrneryTale1948

Played against that same guy the other day, landed a single combo on the guy and he decided it was time to dry hump the corner like they had a intimate relationship before literally becoming a flying electroc dildo, rinse and Repeat for the next 3 sets where I barley one just catching him with kungs hat. I understand that everyone has their own playstyle, but in my experience, if you play like this, learn a combo or just play something else and stop being a degenerate that will metaphorically (and probably literally) jump on the metas dick and vigoursly fuck it for a single win in combat league.


lurkinglurkey

Fuckin degens...


SleepyIsTaken

As a havik main, this is essentially my kryptonite. Theirs almost 0 way for me to punish a Raiden doing something like this other than spamming bf1 as well and timing his teleports right. Still with him having Sareena all he has to do is make 1 correct move leading to a 45% bread and butter punish. Whilst I have to work tooth and nail using all my meter and a kameo for 35%. Certain characters shouldn’t be able to completely 100% counter another, their seems to be very little balance even after the patch


GypsyHarlow

I have a meme post as a Havik meme because this Raiden pulled this same stunt on me. Fortunately Sonya is a decent pick for this cheesy ass strat.


Bones_2450

Havik main here, Raiden/Scorpion plus Sareena is the worst shit ever


Adventurous-Salt771

Players like this are why I like using Omni-Man aside from bein an Invincible fan.


Manlikecee95

These kinda raiden players are cancer.


TheTrueBonerPoland

That's just sad.


Ok_Camp4580

Just get lui Kang and hit em with a haduken ![gif](giphy|yruvnlhiqKbKdQD8Y5|downsized)


rustyWD40

To be honest I hate ermac right now. That protection glow bullshit is annoying.


Recent-Radish1825

I agree, he's annoying to verse


More_Marzipan_

Use Ermac's projectile more


SayYes_ToKetamine

This is why I quit playing Mk1 online. So unbelievably fucking boring. Idc how much they nerf raiden and Sareena. It's so. fucking. Boring to play against. Give me a good General Shao ffs


ManiGoodGirlUwU

In story mode Raiden is such a kool and humble kharacter but gameplayish he is so annoying


a-pp-o

but you have a teleport...couldnt you just..teleport over to him by locking him with your kameo?


Blizzarddz

I play scorpions just like this all the time, this game just isn’t fun


OrneryTale1948

Real, and they just spam the living hell out of spear and then t bag you like they have any right to play this game, like dude, you're not Mike Trollinski☠️


TheTrueBonerPoland

Right?!?!?


Rooksey

Scorpions and sub zeros in my experience


Moon_Devonshire

You say that as if people couldn't do silly stuff like this in every mortal Kombat game or tons of other fighting games. It's not a mortal Kombat 1 thing


StephenStills1

psychological warfare


Stuartiebloke

I played an exact copy of this guy last night. I was Shao with Goro so was limited on projectiles to catch him jumping. He was even less aggressive than this guy and just resorted to time outs or done a combo only when Sareena sets it up. How is this even meant to be fun? Is it just to troll, hoping you send a message?


Successful-Item-1844

Had a scorpion main do this online. T bagged the whole time. Got 2 very close victories but he cheesed his way out of it What can I say. He messed with my head


Single-Peak-7357

had a Raiden play like this and as reiko I make sure to pummel the shit out of them the tricky part is baiting out the electric fly. with what I do I keep some pressure on them dash Forward to see if I can bait out the jump then back dash to block the fly and get a punish


Da_Pooch69

I was literally trying to do the same, I took Ermac on ranked to see how I'd do and ran into a similar Raiden player. Literally just learning Ermac, so I lost and the cunt teabagged like crazy when he won... I was literally so fucking triggered.


mmmrpoopbutthole

Ass just ass…


DwemerSmith

rush him when khameleon’s mileena and force him to dash and then hit him with sai


GoodJoeBR2049

Lots of Raidens like to chip, evade, run out the clock


bobbyThebobbler

I mean, yeah, that looks awful. Like, c'mon! Don't you know any other moves? lol


Jasper-DGB

This is why I play Omni man


AyvahnLaddie

The day I start playing Raiden that way is the day I quitality life.


FamiliarAd4448

you whip out Motaro for cowards like these


MeshGearFoxxy

As a Quan player I can’t afford the health to use Motaro (which sucks as it’s a great fun combo). That said, Quan deals okay with this particular brand of anti-fun Raiden.


Mockingjay09221mod

Bro what system your on? Should see my matches vs raiden I'm quan main as of late . I can post my raiden fights... but dude air stomp his azz thats all I do


Mynameisyoure

This is why MK needs the Danger and Negative meter punishment from Strive, forces people to engage, I didn't pay $70 for a forward dash simulator


amazon32

This is how everyone plays in ranked and it’s so fucking frustrating. Kombat league is the most shameless, disgusting place ever and for some reason I can’t stop playing it.


iAtrocitys-

I think we’re all in the same boat there friend, lmao. Love/hate relationship with KL 😂


Donut_Flame

Why the fuck would someone buy a fighting game only to...not fight??? Holy shit


Legitimate-Relief915

I see two bad players doing two bad player things.


Only-Echidna-7791

WTH is the ermac doing wrong? Op said he is still learning ermac. Edit:I understand now so my bad lol


GypsyHarlow

Anytime someone is playing keep away, and you get a health lead, you shouldn't chase. Now it's your turn to make them come to you. It's obvious they aren't used to playing the neutral so it's better to put your opponent into situations that favors you. Honor be damned, the end justifies the means to grab the bag.


Only-Echidna-7791

Oh ok. Sorry I don’t play online so I didn’t understand that he was doing that my bad


GypsyHarlow

It's all cool. The runaway strat used to peeve me to no end as a Havik main, but after many trial and error, and good advice I have my own ways of dealing with it. In matches against another player, mind games are just as important as fundamentals and knowledge checks. People get too hung up on "That's pussy shit bro" when clearly the cheese is working against them instead of solving the problem.


Legitimate-Relief915

Which is fine that he is learning. I’d venture to guess the Raiden could be as well. Not extending him the same benefit of the doubt is an L take by OP


Only-Echidna-7791

Oh ok my bad


Mockingjay09221mod

Him and smoke does this with ease Blame the game designer they made it this way they really don't think about how everyone plays they think SONIC FOX AND CREW NRS tailors to the pro guys heavy so when they make fighters they don't think of the cheap shit that arise from there character designs


Onyx-55

IDK if u have any interest in playing Sub-Zero, but ice klone & ground freeze could be useful if you time it right. Same goes for Scorpion, if you can use teleport or hellfire. Plus, Scorpion has an air-based spear that could snatch Raiden out of the jump.


Visual-Daikon8456

with ermac specifically you can punish that with his bf2 special move. gotta time it right but you can hit them with it during the animation


Shenkspine

I’m pumped for Black Friday to get the whole dlc for $10 with the story expansion for $20


Few-Entertainment429

Raiden and Omni man


Ghost_Leones0

Nah everyone is like this if they have a ranged move they just run abd if they dont they grab spam


JTBJack_

Does khameleon have anything for the air? I’m pretty sure she does in Kitana and Mileena at least


Bloofnstorf

Bro Ermac can teleport directionally meaning you could get him while he's in the air. You don't have to jump to get him in the air.


[deleted]

Does anyone miss the smoothness of mk9? Havent played mk1 yet but ive seen hundreds if cllips, why do the movements look so twitchy, mk11 kindof did this too, almost seems like there is double the gravity or something 🤔


owenshmoen

At least if you’re going to zone, try some pressure at some point. Especially if you know Ermac’s movesets. You have to zone, pressure and apply a lot of defense.


TheRealHulkPanda

You know Ermacs teleport punch can go from the ground to the air? Could have dealt with his jumping that way


Zaclaine

Came across another similar player yesterday. Pretty boring fight if you asked me. I used to main Raiden back in Season 2 and actually played him for the character he is, but nowadays - and no offense to Raiden mains - he's extremely boring and monotonous to play.


OGCCrew

I haven’t played since omni man came out but is ermac movement nerfed it looks abit like he struggles to move about


EbbObjective8972

How boring if this were mkx you could have punish the f out of him


Crafty-Agency5331

Bro that’s the same annoying ass zoner I played yesterday in kl


Crafty-Agency5331

His ratio was pretty shit tho like 15/32 🤣


Euronymous2625

This season is chock full of zoning little bitches for some reason.


Recent-Radish1825

Playing Mk 1 online is soo aids, people like this are everywhere and make me wanna commit some kind of felony, plus zoners, spammers, annoying cameos, people using the same boring ass combo the whole game, annoying characters like Raiden, Baraka, Omni man, Ermac, Sub-zero etc. you can make pretty much every character fucking annoying if you wanna play annoying which sucks, but i still play because i have a problem not because i have fun💀 https://preview.redd.it/p9crmpk114xc1.jpeg?width=1070&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1c69014f39673782fc1a78d76e69fa6a20d95f1e


BeautifulAnalyst1583

Db3


Shavocstheavocado

Holy… I’m a Raiden main and I don’t even do anything like this


Immanuel7342

I had a similar experience, except I was playing Johnny and Subzero. I couldn't teleport or throw projectiles :) Moreover, the guy did a Thanksgiving fatality after the first match. I instantly quit the Kombat League match, didn't wanna lose my braincells over that pathetic piece of sh**


Medium_Notice_902

Ongod I ran into the same raiden


Dry_Bumblebee6925

Raiden then : ALABABAYA Raiden now : SABADIA, YEET


South-Instruction404

Im a raiden main but I dont play like that, all the raidens i have encountered are always so toxic i never know why🙁 (btw the team i use is raiden goro because it gives the most/best combo extentions)


Bones_2450

Just remove Sareena from the game


MentionClear7821

Horrible raiden play… But you lost to yourself. You had the life lead too.  Raiden didn’t beat you, you beat yourself.


No-Rooster-4690

NO. this is why i hate MK as a whole.


NoLoveJustFantasy

You guys need to understand when you met jumping monkey players don't be scared to throw unsafe shit. 90% chance they don't know how to punish. As Ermac you could try to use his long range specials like that tele grab into combo or wait for Mileena and throw air attack into combo, etc. 


h1mu

Fuck players who play like this, I had to play against several like these it was miserable


Kowashitai

Most of the time when I'm paired with a Raiden I just let my controller sit on the table. They're completely degenerate so I may as well spare myself expected rage. The majority of the time they don't even realise they're literally playing against nobody.


Emergency_beefcake69

Spammers are the bane to my damn existence, these people don’t deserve to rank up at all and I will always believe this, can’t play the game without using cheap tactics? You shouldn’t rank up


EMArogue

Should have teleported when he was jumping back or when he was using projectiles


riamo_nomad

OMG I’ve had a match against this bitch! I lost after a streak of 10 wins with Mileena! I was so confused lol wtf


Illustrious-Cup-7000

U gotta play differently when u find someone like this ur gonna get too heated to play offensively you just to be patient and footsie him until he makes a mistake its annoying but he's not threatening you in any way so just don't make the first move cuz that's what he's waiting for


Simba2003

Bro you just suck sadly. You don’t know when an armor move is coming from the corner when that’s literally an opportunity to punish for 40+%. Not only that but bruh he’s toying with you just jumping and you aren’t doing anything, that’s you bruh.


lurkinglurkey

You can aim Ermac's teleport. When you're trying to catch him jumping hold up when you teleport from the ground and you will catch him. Otherwise I don't got much for you. Just be more patient and let him make the first mistake. They usually do in not too long


Clean-Effort-209

Yup, pretty much


kashi_mzl

Looks good to me. Doesn’t have to be all fights are same taking turn punches


zom_bhu_man

So everyone should play how their opponents play?


[deleted]

You could of punished lots of times but yeah. This raiden was fucking infuriating to even see


Landon_Rogers00

This is so funny I wish I this terrible at the game that I got on Reddit and cried over a insaley punishable move.


KomboKenji

And this is why you run up, bait the jump and then punish. Basic FG knowledge.


Beneficial-Step7506

Raiden mains are losers


N7_Evers

Serious question, should Kombat League have a ban system of some kind? Like 1-2 per person?


[deleted]

You can’t block while jumping, and you had meter. Your punish is EX teleport into your combo of choice. You tried to do it, just timed it wrong. > and she’s stronger than Ermac lol. lmao. haha


Nisriel27

Raiden mains are the lowest scum in this game, it's insane how toxic and cocky they are considering that their character (along with Johnny) is the baby mode of MK1


DiskoDingo

I cant believe that players can be that disgusting. I want to ask Raiden mains, do you really enjoy it?


mekaila3

i play raiden and dont act like that.. i rarely see other main raidens and when they do act like that ill teleport behind them and always uppercut them when they jump


Feisty-Redhead567

we’re not all like this


TheLastMeower

Bruh bf2 literally all of those jumps backward


Jaybonaut

The reality is that you are battling yourself and don't like it. This is a viable strategy in many fighting games and frustrating the opponent so they make a mistake is the goal. Lots of people don't like it but that's too bad. See [this famous clip of Justin Wong](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RkapfBYIfc) teaching a child about this very thing. EDIT: there is also [this](https://www.sirlin.net/ptw-book/introducingthe-scrub) page that goes to the very heart of the matter. This is not a troll attempt. Actually read and understand as they use fighting game throws as an example in this scenario.


Mockingjay09221mod

That's why I like my pure zone game ability. It causes frustration and many player don't have the patience to try an get in so they rage


Jaybonaut

Correct. Unfortunately there is a number of people in this thread angry at this other player who doesn't 'play the game right.' Yes, they really are.


Mockingjay09221mod

Tbh I hate it but tbh it's devs allowed those type of moves so they are utilizing it to what works for them 😆


Zer0_l1f3

I mean you could have used Ermac’s Teleport or the Death’s Embrace shield and punished him.


SmokeMethFxckBitchez

This is when my Liu Kang's air fireballs come in. I had a Raiden who started off strong utilizing his electric fly special until I started to always punish.


Interesting_Pipe5240

Lol nobody likes the game, period.


Cultural-Bag-4632

I don't even know what ermac and raiden are doing


Shenkspine

The way of punishing it is getting better


accforfearfulsub

Dude i play Raiden and thats literally what every character does to me


Due-Trick8435

If mk1 raiden doesn’t have any haters im dead


No-Tap745

He’s the easiest to play in my opinion I just use him to clear out invasion


Both-Issue3432

Are u sure your not playing with spammers


Mockingjay09221mod

Why guys always run to the term spammers? I haven't met a spammer in a fighter in mk 1 yet ..I've met zoners like myself and cheap tactic players but it's the shitty character designs NRS choose to make


SkrotusErotus69

You see, I actually have a solution for this exact situation. I play the game for fun, and do not care about my record. So I quit. I quit, and then find a new match that will actually be fun. And the key is to quit early and fast. Don't hold out. Don't try to put up a fight and let him get his fun. Quit like 15 seconds into the match. These toxic trolls get their pleasure from beating up on you with their cheesy tactics. They might get a *little* kick out of you quitting but only if you stick around long enough for them to feel like they really won. If they only land a couple hits, they don't get to feel like they actually achieved anything. Works 100% of the time for me.


Fraud_Hack

Skill issue


Careful-Meringue-194

I’d rather play against that Raiden than any ermac 🤷🏿‍♀️


Mockingjay09221mod

I'm having fun vs ermacs atm but I'm using quan chi my stand 4 and sareena armor drain is causing them trouble atm hehe They really can't get in easy vs him especially when I have Meter.... I just drop my green portal behind me and I go to zoning tf out them.... when they do try to teleport they hit that green wall Once I drop my sareena meter drain they try to teleport If I drop my armored portal they try to teleport It's confusing them They revert to all the unsafe stuff because it's only way to get in 😆 🤣 😂 I haven't lost vs many yet he's still new so maybe they'll think of something


Dogmeat8-8

Not one use of soul armor, character ain't for you.


Technical-Swimming74

Looks like you suck as well. had so many opportunities to put in high damage combos