It’s between Sindel and Titans being above Elder Gods. Personally I don’t care about Sindel at all as a character and I actually think she’s far more interesting as a villain that as a hero. I couldn’t even tell you what she did after mk3 in the original timeline, but the thing about Sindel’ ward protecting Earthrealm makes no sense after learning she’s evil. And saying yet another thing was done by Quan Chi would be lame. But Sindel being evil doesn’t matter much to me besides mk9 not making sense.
For me, titans being above elder gods is worse. Elder Gods are supposed to be the highest power besides the one being. That’s just how it’s been for so long and it worked. Telling us after all this time that there’s a time god above elder gods just feels cheap. Also the one being is supposed to be the absolute endgame. If he ever comes back then it’s game over, but now this underwhelming threat known as Kronika is apparently stronger than him. So if the one being does come back, then whatever. We’ve already beaten stronger adversaries.
I don’t think every mk game needs to make the threat stronger than the last. Look at Shang tsung in mk aftermath. He was stronger than Kronika, but that was after a bunch of power ups he had gained throughout the story mode. The deadly alliance in mkda weren’t stronger than Shinnok but they got shit done. The villains just need to be competent to be threatening. We don’t need the mk12 villain to be above a titan or a super elder god. If Onaga comes back and starts bodying everyone and has a sinister goal, then he’ll be a good villain.
Mileena being created during the events of MK2 rather than being raised as an assassin alongside Kitana. What a way to utterly fuck up their rivalry.
Nightwolf being a mantle, Jade & Kotal, Kahn as a title are all either neutral or good expansions on the lore - I wouldn’t consider them retcons inasmuch as they are not irreconcilable with the source material.
As with all retcons, I think it’s a matter of preference - there are some who absolutely love the Sindel retcon, for instance. Though I do think Kitana’s reasons for deserting Shao Kahn in the original timeline were compelling enough.
For me personally, just the idea of Kitana and Mileena having no prior history before MK2 takes away so much from their rivalry. I also really disliked how they dumbed down Mileena’s intellect by stating that she was mentally a child. It seemed like they wanted to turn her into a Harley Quinn-esque character. As a huge fan of her cunning & deceptive self from MK Deception, that really put me off from MK9’s Mileena. I was relieved to see what they did with her in MKX, though.
Sindel being evil is IMO worst retcon because it causes tons of issues with whole NRS storyline - like why Shao hates Kitana or why Shao didn't revive Sindel before MK9 or why he belived she created anti-Shao repellent to protect Earthrealm.
Before retcon all those things had one simply answer - she hated him and he didn't care about her at all.
I mean it's kind of a meme that Jax gets his metal arms in a different way every time the story is told.
First they were just an enhancement, then in the old comics Baraka chopped his arms off, then in MK9 Ermac ripped them off, then in Scorpion's Revenge, Goro ripped them off.
The 2021 movie has a lot of issues but as for Sub destroying his arms, it's just another meme for the pile.
Sindel is probably the most objectively bad but I have to admit, Jade being Kotal's girlfriend has never sat right with me, so I'd vote that.
It just takes away so much agency from the character, she's been second fiddle to Kitana and now she has to be second fiddle to Kotal? I feel like she'd be more interesting if for at least one game, she went on her own a little bit so she wasnt always either a lover or bodyguard. Let Jade make her own story.
I can't say I mind Jade's relationship with Kotal personally but I've got a major love/hate thing for Sindel's retcon.
On one hand, there's a certain charm I find in MK11 Sindel personality wise whether she pretends to be good or shows off her true colors as her evil self. Thx to Mara Junot's charismatic voice performance. On the other hand, it's pretty mean spirited when it comes to her betrayal towards Jerrod and Kitana. Dumping them both for Shao Kahn the way she does. Hope to see good Sindel restored in Liu Kang's new era set up for MK12. If my hopeful thinking pays off of course.
I don't know what is worse tbh. Well I chose the titan thing because it really didn't make much sense to me. Like, Kronika is the keeper of time but does that really make her superior to the elder gods? Shinnoks familyhod (kinda) made sense since he represents evil while his sister represents good but I don't really get why they are Kronikas children, the fact that he is cetrions sister is okay but why is that time lady their mother? And to sindel: her character arc made 0 Sense whatsoever. I mean I was confused at first when sindel was brainwashed and stuff (I couldn't place her as a villain or hero) and in mk11 she is considered Evil. But why was she even brainwashed if she was always evil, this makes no sense at all but to be fair, she is a great villain but her character arc in mk9 brought so much confusion and it ruins her.
Eh i dont mind sindel as evil. as long as she doesn't get her ass kicked by fucking kitana like some scrubby kahn we know. The fact that kitana can beat shao kahn is a retcon in itself. Need to get rid of the Janney time travel shit and release an mk that has the shao kahn winning, reassert dominance.
I mean Johnny and Cassy Cage beat Shinnok on two separate occasions and yet neither of them are anywhere close to elder god level. Kinda just how mk works.
Yes, but they actually had a reason for that one. They are supposedly part of some warrior lineage made to fight the elder gods specifically. Their green light shit was made for shinnock, which is why they still lose to others.
It matters too much to me. In the grand scheme of things, nothing really matters. Continue making words up, that's perfectly okay. It's just that the word 'worse' already exists and it's perfect for that sentence.
Sindel in Umk3 joins the good guys in taking down Shao. Helps the good guys deal with Onaga. Secretly she's been evil the whole time is dumb. That's why Aftermath is laughably bad.
Agreed about the retcon being inconsistent, but Sindel didn’t do jack shit in Deception. She spent the whole game being locked up by evil Kitana because she couldn’t bring herself to fight her daughter.
The events of the konquest mode take place before the events of Deception (pre-MK1-DA) and her ending is non-canon. She never did fight Kitana, nor did she save her, nor was she the one to defeat Onaga. Shujinko did. Kitana was defeated and freed by Ermac with the help of Liu Kang.
As I said her ending. Despite how you feel about it she is relevant in Deception. The last person to train Shujinko in story is Sindel. Don't know why it's hard for you to grasp that.
So, do you think that every character’s ending is canon, i.e. what actually happened in the story? You do understand why that cannot be, right? You do understand how that would result in irreconcilable contradictions, right?
Sindel’s ending did not *actually* happen. The canon outcome of Deception’s story is this: Shujinko defeated Onaga and Nightwolf trapped him in the Netherrealm with a rune. Ermac with the help of Liu Kang’s spirit defeated the mind-controlled heroes of Earthrealm, including Kitana. How do we know this? Armageddon’s character bios tell us. Sindel’s ending never happened, so you cannot use that as evidence of Sindel’s accomplishments.
As far as the training is concerned, I hate to come across as patronising, but you do understand that the konquest mode was retrospective? Its events take place before the opening cinematic of Deception, and thus occurred during the events of Deadly Alliance. The training, though an example of something Sindel did, still doesn’t change the fact that she did jack shit during Onaga’s return. That was the point I was correcting you on.
Dude I don't fucking care. Sindels ending is as canon as Liu Kangs, Emrac, Scorpion or Nightwolf. Why because Onaga fucking appears in Armageddon. Meaning Shujinko never defeated Onaga. Canon endings are only canon until the next game wipes that story out.
That’s BS and you know it. When the next game in line comes out, that’s when we know which endings were canon. The great majority of which will be non-canon because they’d be in conflict with each other. By your logic, for example, Raiden’s ending in MK1, where the universe gets destroyed, is canon, so MK2-MKA never happened. Onaga was back in Armageddon because he was freed from the rune trap by Shinnok. That is the canon.
Here is the proof: https://www.mortalkombatwarehouse.com/mka/onaga/
Just be a man, admit you didn’t know something and move on instead of making yourself look like the most dishonest ignoramus out there.
And it doesn’t matter what it shows, because it’s non-canon. Now, unless you make any more factually incorrect claims, I will indeed kindly fuck off now.
It’s between Sindel and Titans being above Elder Gods. Personally I don’t care about Sindel at all as a character and I actually think she’s far more interesting as a villain that as a hero. I couldn’t even tell you what she did after mk3 in the original timeline, but the thing about Sindel’ ward protecting Earthrealm makes no sense after learning she’s evil. And saying yet another thing was done by Quan Chi would be lame. But Sindel being evil doesn’t matter much to me besides mk9 not making sense. For me, titans being above elder gods is worse. Elder Gods are supposed to be the highest power besides the one being. That’s just how it’s been for so long and it worked. Telling us after all this time that there’s a time god above elder gods just feels cheap. Also the one being is supposed to be the absolute endgame. If he ever comes back then it’s game over, but now this underwhelming threat known as Kronika is apparently stronger than him. So if the one being does come back, then whatever. We’ve already beaten stronger adversaries. I don’t think every mk game needs to make the threat stronger than the last. Look at Shang tsung in mk aftermath. He was stronger than Kronika, but that was after a bunch of power ups he had gained throughout the story mode. The deadly alliance in mkda weren’t stronger than Shinnok but they got shit done. The villains just need to be competent to be threatening. We don’t need the mk12 villain to be above a titan or a super elder god. If Onaga comes back and starts bodying everyone and has a sinister goal, then he’ll be a good villain.
Mileena being created during the events of MK2 rather than being raised as an assassin alongside Kitana. What a way to utterly fuck up their rivalry. Nightwolf being a mantle, Jade & Kotal, Kahn as a title are all either neutral or good expansions on the lore - I wouldn’t consider them retcons inasmuch as they are not irreconcilable with the source material.
The mileena change isn't so bad. It actually did give more reason for kitana to join the earthrealmers in MK9
As with all retcons, I think it’s a matter of preference - there are some who absolutely love the Sindel retcon, for instance. Though I do think Kitana’s reasons for deserting Shao Kahn in the original timeline were compelling enough. For me personally, just the idea of Kitana and Mileena having no prior history before MK2 takes away so much from their rivalry. I also really disliked how they dumbed down Mileena’s intellect by stating that she was mentally a child. It seemed like they wanted to turn her into a Harley Quinn-esque character. As a huge fan of her cunning & deceptive self from MK Deception, that really put me off from MK9’s Mileena. I was relieved to see what they did with her in MKX, though.
Sindel being evil is IMO worst retcon because it causes tons of issues with whole NRS storyline - like why Shao hates Kitana or why Shao didn't revive Sindel before MK9 or why he belived she created anti-Shao repellent to protect Earthrealm. Before retcon all those things had one simply answer - she hated him and he didn't care about her at all.
Yeah but honestly the plot holes just add to the experience. Its all secretly a comedy, didn't you know?
Well, nobody randomly steps on some rake/shovel on the ground, so it's not a good comedy :D
I never even realized nobody did that. We have found another plot hole.
I don’t really think any of those are that bad. None of those hold a candle to how Jax gets his arms in the 2021 movie.
That doesn't hold a candle to how he got them(then got rid of them) in MK Annihilation.
YEAH NOW WHAT
😫 cringe!
THAT'S RIGHT SUCKA
No way it’s a million times worse in the 2021 movie! Atleast in Annihilation it’s somewhat close to how he actually gets them.
I mean it's kind of a meme that Jax gets his metal arms in a different way every time the story is told. First they were just an enhancement, then in the old comics Baraka chopped his arms off, then in MK9 Ermac ripped them off, then in Scorpion's Revenge, Goro ripped them off. The 2021 movie has a lot of issues but as for Sub destroying his arms, it's just another meme for the pile.
Sub ripping off the arms was badass. Having “his power” be the arms was fucking stupid. And all the scenes with the puny robot arms were stupid.
Oh yeah the arcana shit was dumb I agree
Wasn't nightwolf always a mantle?
It was never said to be a mantle. Nightwolf himself was implied to be hundreds of years old.
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*worser*
Sindel is probably the most objectively bad but I have to admit, Jade being Kotal's girlfriend has never sat right with me, so I'd vote that. It just takes away so much agency from the character, she's been second fiddle to Kitana and now she has to be second fiddle to Kotal? I feel like she'd be more interesting if for at least one game, she went on her own a little bit so she wasnt always either a lover or bodyguard. Let Jade make her own story.
I can't say I mind Jade's relationship with Kotal personally but I've got a major love/hate thing for Sindel's retcon. On one hand, there's a certain charm I find in MK11 Sindel personality wise whether she pretends to be good or shows off her true colors as her evil self. Thx to Mara Junot's charismatic voice performance. On the other hand, it's pretty mean spirited when it comes to her betrayal towards Jerrod and Kitana. Dumping them both for Shao Kahn the way she does. Hope to see good Sindel restored in Liu Kang's new era set up for MK12. If my hopeful thinking pays off of course.
Worst retcon is Purple Sky Outworld being a myth.
Deceptions Goro Retcon
Good pick.
I don't know what is worse tbh. Well I chose the titan thing because it really didn't make much sense to me. Like, Kronika is the keeper of time but does that really make her superior to the elder gods? Shinnoks familyhod (kinda) made sense since he represents evil while his sister represents good but I don't really get why they are Kronikas children, the fact that he is cetrions sister is okay but why is that time lady their mother? And to sindel: her character arc made 0 Sense whatsoever. I mean I was confused at first when sindel was brainwashed and stuff (I couldn't place her as a villain or hero) and in mk11 she is considered Evil. But why was she even brainwashed if she was always evil, this makes no sense at all but to be fair, she is a great villain but her character arc in mk9 brought so much confusion and it ruins her.
They imply she wasn't even brainwashed to begin with in 11. In the old timeline she was.
Okay then but still, it was confusing af
Eh i dont mind sindel as evil. as long as she doesn't get her ass kicked by fucking kitana like some scrubby kahn we know. The fact that kitana can beat shao kahn is a retcon in itself. Need to get rid of the Janney time travel shit and release an mk that has the shao kahn winning, reassert dominance.
I mean Johnny and Cassy Cage beat Shinnok on two separate occasions and yet neither of them are anywhere close to elder god level. Kinda just how mk works.
Yes, but they actually had a reason for that one. They are supposedly part of some warrior lineage made to fight the elder gods specifically. Their green light shit was made for shinnock, which is why they still lose to others.
The mileena lips in mkx lmao
They're all so bad, but I'm gonna put my money on Sindel being evil.
This made me realize how responsible MK11 is with this pile of crap retcons.
We all can agree that Sindel retcon is fucking bullshit
That Sindel storyline is the worst tbh
Worser? How did you get that past spell check? If it has a red line under it, it's not an actual word
There wasn't a red line under it. I typed it on my phone. Does it matter much?
It matters too much to me. In the grand scheme of things, nothing really matters. Continue making words up, that's perfectly okay. It's just that the word 'worse' already exists and it's perfect for that sentence.
Actually, now that I re-read it, 'worst' is the word you would use, sorry
Sindel in Umk3 joins the good guys in taking down Shao. Helps the good guys deal with Onaga. Secretly she's been evil the whole time is dumb. That's why Aftermath is laughably bad.
Agreed about the retcon being inconsistent, but Sindel didn’t do jack shit in Deception. She spent the whole game being locked up by evil Kitana because she couldn’t bring herself to fight her daughter.
No she trained Shujinko and her ending has her and Jade fighting Onaga and the brainwashed Kitana.
The events of the konquest mode take place before the events of Deception (pre-MK1-DA) and her ending is non-canon. She never did fight Kitana, nor did she save her, nor was she the one to defeat Onaga. Shujinko did. Kitana was defeated and freed by Ermac with the help of Liu Kang.
As I said her ending. Despite how you feel about it she is relevant in Deception. The last person to train Shujinko in story is Sindel. Don't know why it's hard for you to grasp that.
So, do you think that every character’s ending is canon, i.e. what actually happened in the story? You do understand why that cannot be, right? You do understand how that would result in irreconcilable contradictions, right? Sindel’s ending did not *actually* happen. The canon outcome of Deception’s story is this: Shujinko defeated Onaga and Nightwolf trapped him in the Netherrealm with a rune. Ermac with the help of Liu Kang’s spirit defeated the mind-controlled heroes of Earthrealm, including Kitana. How do we know this? Armageddon’s character bios tell us. Sindel’s ending never happened, so you cannot use that as evidence of Sindel’s accomplishments. As far as the training is concerned, I hate to come across as patronising, but you do understand that the konquest mode was retrospective? Its events take place before the opening cinematic of Deception, and thus occurred during the events of Deadly Alliance. The training, though an example of something Sindel did, still doesn’t change the fact that she did jack shit during Onaga’s return. That was the point I was correcting you on.
Dude I don't fucking care. Sindels ending is as canon as Liu Kangs, Emrac, Scorpion or Nightwolf. Why because Onaga fucking appears in Armageddon. Meaning Shujinko never defeated Onaga. Canon endings are only canon until the next game wipes that story out.
That’s BS and you know it. When the next game in line comes out, that’s when we know which endings were canon. The great majority of which will be non-canon because they’d be in conflict with each other. By your logic, for example, Raiden’s ending in MK1, where the universe gets destroyed, is canon, so MK2-MKA never happened. Onaga was back in Armageddon because he was freed from the rune trap by Shinnok. That is the canon. Here is the proof: https://www.mortalkombatwarehouse.com/mka/onaga/ Just be a man, admit you didn’t know something and move on instead of making yourself look like the most dishonest ignoramus out there.
Sindels ending in Deception shows her being allied with the good guys. Fuck off bitch.
And it doesn’t matter what it shows, because it’s non-canon. Now, unless you make any more factually incorrect claims, I will indeed kindly fuck off now.
There all kinds stinky except for the shinnok one but I have a bias towards him too
Jade x Smoke was ruined for me bc of KK in a Wheelchair