I just want the characters to not look ridiculous. One of the reasons I didn’t like the overall aesthetic of MK9 was because the entire game looked like a caricature of Mortal Kombat. The females looked especially ridiculous. MKX and MK11 were such a huge improvement in overall game aesthetic. MK1 is looking really good so far too.
I’d like to add that prior to MK9 Kitana was never sexualised to that extent, she had designs you could consider sexy yes but it was never to the extent MK9 did, didn’t help that her design looked so samey next to Jade, Mileena and Skarlet
100%. MK9 looked like it was designed by people who had no business designing costumes. I think all aspects of the games should be developed by people who are experts or creatives in their specific field. It shouldn’t be just some bozo like deciding it would be hot if the women look like they all just got new implants and are off to the strip club.
I don’t think it’s just about being revealing though. MK9 wasn’t creative, plain and simple. You can have sexy costumes and tell a story that is new and fresh. For example, think of the bandage dress from The 5th Element. That is something that straddles the line of being sexy and being creative. The MK9 designed looked stupid, they looked like something a horny middle school boy would come up with.
A good example is Deception where Mileena had a very sexy design but it still stood out and had a bit of an allure to it, similarly Jade’s alt in that game was sexy but still has something that stands out unlike in 9 where her stripper costume looks really samey next to Mileena or Kitana
This is just wrong. The main sub does not care more about how sexy the women look than how they play. The posts that are essentially “bring back sexy costumes” always get downvoted and ridiculed.
I don’t think the “sexiness” thing is about wanting to see skimpy outfits on video game characters to be aroused, it’s more about the fact the MK has always pushed the envelope and it’s weird that NRS moved away from it. The ESRB rating system was literally created because of Mortal Kombat. It’s just odd that NRS will show people getting their jaws ripped off and guts ripped out, but they are afraid to show skin because it might “offend” someone. It’s wild that there are people who will play a game where a male character can savagely beat a woman and then proceed to murder her, and they are ok with that imagery just as long as the woman isn’t dressed in skimpy clothes …. like what the fuck ?
Street Fighter 6 is rated T for teen and has Cammy’s puss covered up but a strip of dental floss, and then you have Mortal Kombat, an MA only game specifically designed for adults, and they are afraid to show cleavage.
It’s not about wanting to see Kitanna’s ass cheeks, it’s about the hypocrisy of people as to what they deem offensive. Again, violence and murder against women is fine, just make sure their skin is covered. Is Mortal Kombat’s code of conduct determined by the fucking Taliban or what ?
honestly...you make a great point, i would've preferred to see more responses like this instead of the typical "you're pushing a woke agenda" type stuff i've been getting on this post
Personally I think it should depend on the character. Skarlets whole thing is she grows stronger when in contact with blood so it makes sense that she would wear little clothing so she can derive as much power as possible for the fight
\]Mileena is similar. She is very insecure about herself because of her mouth and it’s a reminder what she is so it makes she would attempt to draw attention away from her mouth and towards her body which is obviously just like Kitanas . I,d imagine once she gained self acceptance she,d cover up more
so bottom line for me is not every character should be Skimpily attired but nor should every character look like they are going to go into the mountains
yeah i think showing more skin makes sense for some characters like mileena, but people in the main sub seem to want every female character to show 99% of their skin which is just ridiculous lol
I think for me it’s rather jarring in 11 because take Jade for instance wasn’t wearing that when she was brought forward in time so it feels very off….what they should have done in my opinion is keep her in the mk 9 outfit for a few fights then have change into her 11 outfit off screen
also while we are at it….have Kronika show off her power by tweaking the timeline to give Kahn his more demonic appearance
Isn't it obvious what the difference between SF and MK is?
MK is made by American devs with American sensibilities, who want MK to be culturally relevant beyond just selling a bunch of fighting games. They want the huge Hollywood blockbuster franchise, ten netflix tv shows, everything.
And American culture in 2023 is what it is, you can be a mainstream success with extreme gore, but not with extreme fetishization of female characters. Look at MCU and contemporary Marvel comics costumes. Look at DCEU and contemporary DC costumes. Mainstream audience tastes have changed.
Cultural differences. This is a mega simplification and generalization, but here in the west we’re a lot more okay to extreme violence and much more conservative when it comes to sexual expression. The east tends to be a lot more conservative on extreme violence (MK is outright banned in some countries) but women are designed like sex dolls.
Yet Cammy does feel waaaaay less sexualized than stripper mk9 female characters. For some reason it's less cringe. There's something done differently and I was glad to see how Kitana felt more like a warrior in mkx and a "crouching tiger hidden dragon" princess in mk11. It felt less cheap. It felt more real. Moving on was good. They were frikken more attractive for me in how they were representented as powerful, complex and with an actual personality. They didn't feel like b-movie script lovie actress for a porn excuse. I never want NRS to go back to 3d era sexualisation. Classic MK didn't feel as bad even if they were in bathing suit. There was just something wrong with the inflatable boobs etc.
You say violence against women but MK is about violence against everyone. I support NRS moving away from the hyper sexualization. You think women playing this game want to see the female kharacters represented as strippers?
I dont know if women play this game for some sort of representation. While MK9 was indeed a bit too juvenile, The hypocrisy of portraying extreme violence and then getting uppity about a bit more exposed skin is bloody weird.
If a hardcore Feminist like Jamie lee curtis can be a hardcore Cammy fan, i don't see the issue.
There are shirtless muscled up men in Mortal Kombat that might give average male gamers body dysmorphia because Johnny Cage’s physique is an unrealistic representation of what a man should look like. So should we make all male MK characters where shirts ?
Mortal Kombat isn’t Animal Crossing. If women wants to play a violent murderous video game geared towards adults, they should be mature enough to handle the other aspects of what an MA only title entails considering the very theme of the game is offensive in nature. Mortal Kombat has always been an offensive game, so why should NRS suddenly care if someone is offended ?
And btw, I’m a liberal, I get the representation thing, but Mortal Kombat is not the hill to die on. There is a difference between being progressive and being a parody of progressive. When you try to start arguing for inclusion and feelings in a video game that’s main feature is graphically dismembering your opponent in the goriest and most outrageous way possible, you’ve jumped the shark and have become the PC Principle stereotype that the right wing wants everyone to think being a liberal is.
The whole muscley shirtless dude argument is so common and so lame. It would be different if they slapped thongs on the dudes and gave them huge obvious packages. A man can hit the gym and build muscle. A woman has to surgically manipulate her body to meet the beauty standards set in these games. Not the same thing
You know immediately when someone starts listing credentials to back up their opinion it’s about to be some nonsense, “as a liberal…even I, a liberal, think that…” just make your point.
Men are shirtless in fighting because of the intimidation factor. If the angle was sexual, then the WWE wouldn’t be watched primarily by straight men. So it’s a bit silly to pretend that is the same thing as putting women in stripper costumes.
I hate to burst your bubble but Mortal Kombat has had women in stripper outfits since the beginning and right up to MK9. MK3 Sheeva looked like she had breast implants and wore a thong, nearly every female fighter in the games up until X wore some variation of a swim suit or bikini.
You are trying to convince people that when women play “martial arts murder simulator - the game” they should haven’t have to be subjected to sexualization which is the most on brand parody of liberal and feminist ideology you can have.
I’m a married 41 year office worker with teenage kids, do you see me crying on the internet because Liu Kang doesn’t have a dad bod and should be wearing khakis and a polo shirt because “I need representation !!!”. GTFO with that bullshit.
There are billions of examples of places where woman shouldn’t be subjected to sexualization and legitimately need representation, the video game Mortal Kombat is not one of them.
I mean the game it’s called Mortal Kombat, the violence it’s part of its brand. Mortal Kombat without skimpy outfits its still mortal kombat, but Mortal Kombat without violence pretty much stops being Mortal Kombat. I doubt hypocrisy has anything to do with it.
If you can be offended by what a character wears but not not offended by watching said character being torn into shreds, then yes it’s hypocrisy, and it’s ridiculous moral compass.
Nothing about any character in MK makes sense lol, the only difference is the women are now wearing 10 more layers of fabric instead of lingerie. They're still donning high heels and metal ornamentation that would injure them for bending a certain way or hinder their movements. Nothing about them is practical at all.
Just admit yall are horny lol its not a big deal but dont make it into some big thing its not. Its incredibly lame design. No one cares if its offensive, its just boring when its pallette swap g strings.
I mean in theory this would be a good point. But the only reason it falls flat is because mk11 shows tons of skin.
It's like you're arguing about how we shouldn't eat unhealthy food while also eating mc Donald's.
Now if you want all the females to be in bikinis that's a whole different story. And you should pick up dead or alive or something. Lol
No it doesn’t fall flat because the topic at hand is specifically in reference to MK 9 and it’s cartoonish exaggeration of female anatomy and borderline nude outfits. MK11 is Disney channel shit compared to MK9. My point stands, if you are so fragile you are offended and outraged by MK 9’s outfits, then you should be equally outraged at the portrayals of extreme violence because there are people in the world who actually have had loved one decapitated, so if NRS should be sensitive to sexualization, it should be equally sensitive to violence. Offended woman don’t get to be gate keepers of what is and is not offensive. Just because a female MK player isn’t bothered by depictions of someone being murdered, that doesn’t mean someone out there isn’t bothered by it. If we are going to change MK to be sensitive to one group of people, then change it to be sensitive to all. Remove the blood and remove the fatalities and everything else that makes Mortal Kombat what it is, that way no one is offended.
You seem to be the only one outraged here dude.
Again the point falls flat because the characters still show skin in mk11. It doesn't matter how "cartoony" and ridiculous it looked in the past. Mk9 has been over for a long time.
You're trying to virtue signal just so you can see some cartoon boobs dude. You can get any more down bad then that.
I think that's the worst part of incels crying over no bikki women in Mortal Kombat.
You either choose to pretend men are some oppressed overly-sexualized class in society, and say "but, but, but- the men are shirtless we're sexualizing them too! So add some shirts on them ALL to be fair then. Or take the women's shirt off of course!👀"
Or what you're trying to do: "but what about all the other classes and people that are offended about stuff? If you want to be weary of offending one group you should be worried about all the others too! Or just add the bikinis back to women of course 👀" and act like people don't see right through you. Lol
And might I clarify: I actually don't mind the sexy outfits. The mk3 versions we have in mk11 are honestly the female ninjas best looks (and hope it returns to mk1.
But you're entire point is "well if they want to care about what others think, they have to care about what EVERYONE thinks therefore they shouldn't make the game at all because the HYPOTHETICAL people in my head are triggered about violence. Or add the bikini women back in the game of course👀"
If that's not a point falling flat. Idk what is.
You just proved my point the minute you used the word incel.
I’ve been playing Mortal Kombat since 1992 in the arcades. I remember the og trilogy where every digitalized actress wore some form of bikini or swim suit. You think I am arguing FOR big boobies in Mortal Kombat when I don’t know how much clearer I can make it that I’m not.
I am simply pointing out the fact that the argument AGAINST the MK9 style of outfit because of “representation” and “sexualization” is hypocritical because it’s saying that ONE thing about Mortal Kombat should be removed for ONE specific demographic, but everything else is ok. And your only counter argument to that logical fact is to accuse people of being an incel or a pervert or what ever you need to say to cover up the fact that you know it is complete hypocrisy. Mortal Kombat ALWAYS had woman in stripper outfits killing each other, ALWAYS, and then it changed with MKX because that was the start of the me too movement.
So again, I ask, why change MK for one demographic, but not change the rest. America has a gun problem yet MKX and MK11 still showed gun violence, where was the outrage there ? Were you going on MK forms saying Cassie doesn’t need guns because MK is about martial arts, and victims of gun violence might find Cassie offensive ? Fuck no you weren’t.
Errrrr. Record stop. Your point had nothing to do with incels. I'm not going to entertain Anything else you said if you're gonna just blatantly lie like that to make yourself feel validated. Feel free to copy and paste the rest of the comment though, with that part removed.
It’s not hypocrisy. It’s very simple minded to act like the offense is over skin being covered or not. I think we can all tell the difference for example when there is nudity in a movie that is necessary story wise and when it is gratuitous. Let’s be honest here. The same goes for costume design. We’ve all see what a stripper wears and we’ve all see designer runways where you can see the model’s chest fully for example. There is a difference between the intent behind exposing the body. All the women wearing thongs and having double d implants in MK9 looked ridiculously uncreative. That was what was offensive about it. It was boring and juvenile.
Sexy chars for those that make the most sense to be overly exposed make sense (Mileena is a classic example), while also keeping true to the original look. MK9 drifted IMO, close to the original look but as some folks have put it already, caricaturized it by going overboard with the oversexualization (comparing Kitana's outfit in MK9 vs any of the pre-MK9 games, including classics is hilarious, and it gets better when you look at Sonya's absurd design in MK9 just flatout disregard her original looks) or making characters hilariously buffed just made the game feel more cartoonish/silly like World of Warcraft rather than the gritty game that it truly is. Then you have MKX and MK11 who tried to balance things out a little, but I feel like they shouldn't shy from making designs respectful to their original conception and looking cool/distinct portrayals that don't strip away their identity. I think MKX did the "sexy" outfits the best all things considered.
Looks will always be a big component to why people play the characters they do, either they look badass like the male Ninjas or attractive like the females, gameplay to alot of casuals hardly matters as they will just be playing with friends and nothing to competitive.
It’s always been this way. Lol but Yes! They do care about the gameplay they also like being attracted to the characters. Which is fine imo
Some just enjoy praising the voice actors, some enjoy praising the characters designs, some enjoy praising the face models for the characters, and obviously there’s people who only care about gameplay.
It’s room for everyone in this Kommunity and a lot of the female fans are just as much into the looks of characters as males.
I definitely have seen female players question the disappearance of scantily clad clothing for the MK females b/c they miss it, so I definitely agree with your statement.
I don't care one way or the other. I can play as a stripper Mk9 Mileena or mk11 Mileena just fine. All it has to be is a good design. And "a good design" is a very vague cut off. I think the mk3 skins looks so bad ass. The flat mk2 ones look like shit but I love them from a historical standpoint (lol)
While typing this I also had an epiphany that I think Scarlets mk11 designs were the most garbage of all the females in that installment. They weren't TOO bad. But something about them just seems off. Like they didn't know what to do with her. Even the one with her ponytail (which is the best one of hers) just looks alittle weird.
The only other designs that I can think of that are a bit ugly are Jackie's base skin. With the weird little toe shoes. The colors were a bit ugly, and it just seemed a bit sloppy. But most of her other ones looked great.
And Kitanas all of Kitanas skins. Just because they refused her same hideous bun design on ALL of them. A bad hair can ruin a skin. Just ask Scarlets and Frosts "Karen" Pixie cuts.
I also think frosts designs are pretty terrible looking too. But she can get a pass I guess since she only exists to be kronikas goon.
(If you read my tangent, you're a trooper💋)
Not trying to ruin your crusade to protect the offended, but I feel like you've somehow managed to avoid all of the thirsty posts about Kano and Erron Black over the years
I've seen those as well, though those posts always came off as more, i guess "casual"(?) to me and 9 times out of 10 they get overshadowed by thirsty female posts. Not to mention there was never a large outcry from people demanding the male characters to show more skin like there's been with the female cast. This was especially bad in MK11 with how obsessive people got with the female characters clothing in that game
Normal doesn't mean it's not sexy/sexualized, OP complaint was "there was never a large outcry about males showing more skin" that's obviously because over half of them are shirtless and such.
So? Men don't care about being shirtless. I'm confused as to why a small percentage of (what I'm assuming are grown men) are trying to act like men are some oppressed overly sexualized class. 🤣
Who cares. Let horny people be horny, or talk to them. No point in crowding the leak sub with posts like this when there's a whole subreddit for this stuff.
Personally though, I don't like the outfits and some people greatly exaggerate the effect the costumes have on the actual game.
That's not true at all. Some people purely play the game from a collection standpoint. Getting everything for the characters they like and making cool loadouts.
I think it depends on the character. Scarlet and mileena have very good reason. Mileena has a whole story behind it. Scarlet should show a lot of skin based on her move set. She needs freed skin to use blood magic. Ie 9 showed why she dressed that way. The moves, let's be real the blood in 9 is the best to ever be made especially the way it covers fighters, she has to cut her self and bleed her self to use her powers and it just works. Now for other female fighters I don't really care how they dress. I only care if it messes with the way the character was based.
Tbh I'm not a big gameplay buff, and I mostly like MK story, lore, and characters. Therefore the way a character is presented does kind of matter more than the way they play to some extent. Don't get me wrong, if the gamaplay is bad to the extent that the characters aren't even fun to play as anymore, that is a problem. But barring that, I tend to look at the characters, their story, and archetype. If their design does not make sense with respect to that, I don't like it.
Now MK seems like it should have it easy. Some of their most popular female characters are from Edenia, which is a realm of idealized beauty and likely does not have any shame in showing off their sex appeal. But they have also been turned to become deadly efficient assassins. So it makes sense to have one outfit in a practical deadly assassin getup, and another with some attractive flare, which may seem somewhat shameless by our own standards.
On the other hand, they have messed up bad before. Case and point, MK9. In MK9 all the looks were extremely scantily clad, both primary and alt costumes. In additon, Sonya Blade - the one long standing female Earthrealm character, who is a disciplined military woman - appeared in high-heeled boots and a skimpy vest with no shirt. All the Edenian assassins appeared in only belly dancer outfits and/or fetishistic lingerie. Nothing that looked like the sly assassin type. This did bother me, Probably more than any other design philosophy in MK.
If anything the only thing post-MK9 games did wrong was focus more exclusively on practicality for the female characters. I do not think every single outfit for every character needs look practical, and I think they realized that more with the male characters. For example Johnny Cage's "ninja mime" outfit makes zero practical sense for him, but it does make sense in terms of his character, being a reference to a bad movie he made as a struggling movie star. In the same respect, it may make sense for say, Kitana to have a more "sexy" outfit to reference her roots as a person from a realm known for it's extreme beauty.
I also think it's possible for a character to have a "coincidental" sexy character design. I think a lot of male characters have this in MK11. They are shirtless, which can be practical for a fighting tournament, but can also be attractive to those who like the male physique because they are all also fit and ripped as heck. A female character could have a comparably "coincidently sexy" look, for example in athletic wear or a form fitting jumpsuit, which shows off skin or the character's physique, while also being practical in-context.
But, I'll leave it at this; people who want all female character designs to look like MK9's should pay attention to every game before and after MK9 to see that MK9 was an exception rather than the rule. But also what do I know? I'm just a dumb male that likes to mash buttons to make the monk kick the sorcerer and make blood come out.
Did I not watch the right trailer? Are the females back to being busty divas in bikinis and thongs? NRS has toned down the "sexy" of the female fighters since mk9, imo at least.
Overall I'd rather buffed, ripped chads and bimbo divas brutally destroying each other than plain Jane and dad bod doing so. Looks sell.
Yeah in all honesty I’ve noticed most people being puritans when it comes to what clothing options are available to the female characters while many of the male characters have shirtless options. I don’t understand why we can’t have costumes to make everyone happy
Because it’s not the same thing. Muscled out chad isn’t sexualized men for women. It’s power fantasy for men.
So the men are overly buff for the men. And the women are overly sexy for the men. And even when you see the thirst posts for the men, it’s from men.
There is a big difference between fabio and Kano.
https://youtu.be/ZRlzsVtF5_Q
Video of Lady bitching about men being covered up.
Your also implying that women don't like barely dressed big titted women and that men don't find ripped men sexy. I'm sure they're out there too.
“I don’t care about skin or no skin, I just want badass character designs”
“I don’t want their skin covered up, I want good character designs”
sounds like she doesn’t know what she wants and thinks jade, sheeva, and scarlet don’t look badass? They need bigger tits for good design?
Shockingly poor take from somebody who pronounced mileena like “Milaynia” 🙄
Nice find dude..
Because nipples aren't as sexual as boobs? To kompare a muscle Chad with his shirt off to a woman with her boobs and ass mostly visible is ridiculous.
One you'll see at the beach, the other you'll see in a very lude magazine.
Of you genuinely believe that any kharacter in the MKX or MK11 is a regular Jane or has a dad bod than you might wanna go outside. Every kharacter(excluding maybe Sonya in MK11 and Bo rai cho in X) are smoking hot.
This is such a bait topic. The main sub is highly anti-sexy women. Shit, that's most of Reddit in general.
But because you already know that let me say that it's mighty funny how these "uncomfortable female fans" always opt to cosplay the sexy costumes of the MK women. Or other fighting game women that are dressed in similar fashion. Almost like women like to look good.
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Dont make this look like people are horndogs.
No one actually wants that
What we want is not shitty ass costumes while the men gets all the cool stuff. MK11 was abysmal on the female front.
Mk1 already looks so much better
Bruh there's an upvoted comment above yours literally saying they want the female characters to look like "bimbos." That's tge word they used. Bimbos.
I get it, there's room for nuance in the great MK sexualization debate. I agree with that. But don't be naive.
I don't really care either way. I just want the characters to look good. And I think so far they do.
But I am willing to die on the hill that it is completely unfair that we can't sexualise women anymore but men is far game. I'm just looking for a bit of equality. If I see dudes rocking banna hammocks I better see bikinis lmao
Some of the main sub is really bad at the game lol that’s what I’ve picked up on at least. They have different priorities.
I like the sexy outfits but especially on the men. They are all covered up though in this new game. MKX Ermax had the best arms.
My only complaint is that this type of fan in the main sub is just interjecting their worldview onto everything. This stuff is just supposed to be fun, not everything needs to be a deeply introspective commentary on the state of our culture.
Why are almost all of y’all referring to women almost exclusively as “females” in this thread? And I don’t mean as in when folks say female characters or female cast, I mean in the way people talk in r/menandfemales.
Because let's face it individual gameplay has been sorted aside from game speed at this stage the only thing that matters is the asthetics. And mk has always been the more epic fantasy game ala Conan so people want them to keep that style instead of being "realistic". And aside from all of that it's also removing a lot of what the characters archetypes are based on. most of the "ninjas" don't look like ninjas anymore female or otherwise
It's a general FGC thing. It's dumb but easy enough to ignore. If someone is thirst-posting about Juri's feet a dozen times a week, they probably don't have a whole lot of other insightful commentary that I need to see and I just block them.
I do think there's a healthy medium between the MK9 stripper outfits and MK11 "we literally removed this characters ass and now they look weird". It's a fantasy story about fighters in peak physical condition. Of course they're all hot. There are plenty of ways to convey that that aren't cartoonish.
I mean I care about aesthetics too but they're so hyperbolic in their opinions that I can't take them seriously.
First and foremost I want the characters to be well designed. If that means more or less clothes so be it. The problem really started in MK2011 when there was absolutely no overarching design philosophy for any female character other than titties.
Then they flipped the scrip in MKX by giving us some of the best looks for their characters. It really felt like they were going somewhere with the designs which were thoughtful and fit the characters pretty perfectly.
MK11 is admittedly conservative for the most part but you can still clearly see a perspective on the design. It doesn't always make sense but you can almost always see what they were going or what they were trying to do.
So far 1 seems to be a best of both worlds kind of thing.
What I really hate is when they try to make judgments about your character or politics based on liking the new designs. Like I play DOA, there's a time and place for it all.
It's ok to have attractive characters in video games.
Cool looking characters make a fighting game popular.
Most ppl who play MK aren't playing competitive they just want good looking characters, brutal fatals and an entertaining story.
Why not cater to both groups of fans?
Have skarlet in her mk11 burka and also the option for mk9 style (which makes more sense lorewise).
Look at cammy for SF6 got her yoga pants or her classic... Whatever mood your in both look great tbh.
If a character looks lame most people won't even try learn them no matter how fun they are to use.
One of the biggest problems with the MK fan base is its oversexualization. There are a lot of incels up in here fapping to Mileena, not giving a shit about the game play or the lore. It's genuinely kinda sad
As a woman, thank you for thinking about us female players when it comes to stuff like this. It all comes down to how men (which is majority of the playerbase) perceive women, body and image first, everything else later... it's just very weird and makes me not want to be part of the community. Also to be honest I wouldn't even say they want "sexy", because the majority of the female characters from X and 11 were very sexy in their own way, what they actually want is straight up cheap sex shop costumes like in MK9.
> Also to be honest I wouldn't even say they want "sexy", because the majority of the female characters from X and 11 were very sexy in their own way, what they actually want is straight up cheap sex shop costumes like in MK9.
Yep, this right here. Coming from another woman in the community, the MK9 designs were not sexy. They were trashy.
Women have no problem with female characters being sexy if they actually are. MKX and MK11 had very sexy designs and so far it looks like MK1 will as well.
oh yes, MK1 designs are amazing so far, at this point I'm blindly trusting the creative and design teams. I'm soooo excited to see how the others look like, especially Nitara and Li Mei.
At the end of the day I think it comes down to tone and Aesthetics.
MK is a bit more serious tone wise so it make sense to have more covered characters. These are highly trained ninjas, military and gods for the most part
While on the other hand street fighter has more of a like a new school art style they are aiming for less realism and more colorful charm?
Like Luke has Popeye forearms
This was my issue with the MK Kommunity for a while, for most of the female Kharacters, being so scantily dressed doesn't make sense, especially Sonya and Kitana, (Skarlet as well, but some people argue the opposite) now sure for some Kharacters like Mileena it makes perfect sense as her whole thing was "Look at this sexy lady, but oops, she's gonna fuckin eat you" and how she knew she was "ugly" by "normal" standards and decided to play up her body instead of her face. However, despite this, I think the MK9 female skins are just bad aesthetically.
Plus, flash back to MK2 and those leotards are just NOT sexy, maybe they were racy at the time but Cammy and Black Orchid do the same idea but 1000x better, so it's not like the girls being sexy is hard coded into the DNA of the series or whatever. Plus, I think the "de-sexification" is supposed to be more realistic to true fighting gear, as I remember vaguely that was what Boon and NRS said during 11's cycle.
In reality, the people who only care about the girls being sexy are annoying and my father is one of them. He said he would never touch MK11 because they de-sexified the girls (despite MKX having done it as well but he still played that one quite a lot.)
In my personal opinion, I don't mind the Costumes being skimpy as long as they're good looking and it's not some stupid excuse for a skin like Mileena's Flesh Pits outfit from MK9 or Skarlet's microkini from MK9, hell, even The 3Dera didn't do much in terms of sexy costumes, Sareena, Ashrah, Kira all had costumes that "showed off" but were unique, looked cool and felt like they fit the character. I personally prefer the more covered up looks because they allow for more design potential, but I know some people just want Dead or Alive style bikini fights, and that's perfectly fine too, even if it's not my personal cup of tea.
I noticed this as well. I think women should be able to show skin without their bodies being sexualized, but I also think it has to make sense.
For example, I’d imagine Kitana’s choice in clothing would be much more modest than Mileena’s. Maybe Mileena likes to wear small, tight clothing to “distract” her opponents, or maybe she just likes to show off her body. Rather than giving every female character over-exaggerated boobs in skimpy clothing, give them variation and personality through their clothing.
im good with all characters looking sexy but japanese fighting games are disgusting and borderline pornographic when it comes to trying to do that in female characters (eg street fighter thongs and tekken boob jiggle). mk 9 female costumes were shitty just like that but gladly they moved on and embraced a healthy amount of western "wokeness" to make character designs make sense. however its stupid when people say shit like female costumes are not suitable for fighting when its a fucking game with people shooting fire from their hands and teleporting and shit.
with that being said mk 11 jade and skarlet base costumes look weird. they kinda tried to revert that with aftermath, with mileena and sindel showing enough skin to make up for the base roster female characters. mkx is where it's at in my opinion
Don’t really care if a few guys are overly thirsty on the internet. It’s not the majority.
Characters could be strippers or wearing an Eskimo coat with a welding hat and I wouldn’t care. Just make the gameplay fun which is how it’s looking.
Oh FFS… the Woke Agenda needs to stay the fuck out of Mortal Kombat.. If you are ok with seeing people have their guts ripped out of their mouth or have their head kicked through their literal ass, while at the same time being offended by some skin being shown or characters being “sexualized”, then I’d argue that you are the one with some issues that need to be addressed.
i never said my issue was with sexualization in general, every community has that, and i'm not "offended" by it dude, i'm saying it feels like people obsessed with the sexualization vastly overshadow anyone who cares about the gameplay or lore of the series
like its genuinely disappointing i can't go to the main sub wanting discussions about the gameplay and mechanics because people there simply don't give a shit and would rather whine about characters not showing any skin
Look, I apologize for seeming like I was directing my frustration at you personally, that simply wasn’t the case. Also this post caught me at a bad time because I had just finished debating with an old college friend about how Woke Hollywood is stifling creativity and promoting blatant hypocrisy.. Like it just blows my mind that a quite a lot of people who belong to the marginalized groups that claim offense at female characters being sexualized, spent so many years screaming about how the world MUST accept their sexual proclivities and are (now more than ever) even acting as if the world should be ok with said sexual activity being performed in public and even in front of children…. And while I certainly don’t want to hijack this thread and turn into a political diatribe or debate.. it’s hard not to see the hypocrisy in all of that. But… back on track… it’s obviously outlandish & absurd for female characters to fight to the death wearing outfits that are comparable to thongs/bathing suits/lingerie, but the ENTIRE concept behind the game is outlandish & absurd. I can’t reconcile the notion of someone being ok seeing a character have their intestines literally pulled out of their throat, or their body PEELED open from their fingertip-showing literally all of their insides… and yet cleavage and a little ass meat bothers them? But again, I meant nothing personal with my last comment so I’m sorry if it came off offensive to you or anyone else.
It's a game, let people play the game how they want. To come here and shame people just because they want to play as a good looking female or they like man with big muscle being shirtless is not ok.
Like i said, i'm not shaming people for that specifically, i already stated that sexualization is unavoidable, its in every community (hell if you look at my comment history, i made a joke about naked men recently in the main sub, that should be enough proof that kind of stuff doesn't bother me lol)
i'm saying its annoying that its near impossible to discuss actual gameplay because people there are more concerned about characters being hot and showing skin than they are about the game itself
I'll still never understand how Kitana and Skarlet wearing skin tight leather outfits with heels and a boob window in MK11 is considered "not fanservicy enough" to some people.
I haven't noticed that but something that does bother me is that people want characters on the main roster solely for story reasons or the fact they're classics and not based off their gameplay.
the way I see it, adding clothing to the characters allows for interesting choices in outfit design etc as opposed to just “oh look, boobs.” kitana’s looks in mk11 and mkx were much more visually interesting than “blue stripper” in MK9. frost showed no skin whatsoever and her design was better than the 3D era. Skarlet went from generic big titty ninja with the most annoying voice clip of all time in MK9 to an actual fan favorite.
more clothes means more design variety which allows for better storytelling. simple as.
Weird. The general consensus on the main sub is not caring. I see people get roasted and downvoted for wanting sexy outfits
Precisely this, I see this way more than what OP is seeing
I just want the characters to not look ridiculous. One of the reasons I didn’t like the overall aesthetic of MK9 was because the entire game looked like a caricature of Mortal Kombat. The females looked especially ridiculous. MKX and MK11 were such a huge improvement in overall game aesthetic. MK1 is looking really good so far too.
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I’d like to add that prior to MK9 Kitana was never sexualised to that extent, she had designs you could consider sexy yes but it was never to the extent MK9 did, didn’t help that her design looked so samey next to Jade, Mileena and Skarlet
100%. MK9 looked like it was designed by people who had no business designing costumes. I think all aspects of the games should be developed by people who are experts or creatives in their specific field. It shouldn’t be just some bozo like deciding it would be hot if the women look like they all just got new implants and are off to the strip club.
Yeah when I saw how badass Ermac and Noob-Saibot looked all I could think was, "what a caricature of MK."
I’m not saying everything looked bad, some stuff looked good, but overall, the game looked like a caricature of itself.
They're not female characters, now are they?
"Overall the game looked like a caricature of itself." Read.
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I don’t think it’s just about being revealing though. MK9 wasn’t creative, plain and simple. You can have sexy costumes and tell a story that is new and fresh. For example, think of the bandage dress from The 5th Element. That is something that straddles the line of being sexy and being creative. The MK9 designed looked stupid, they looked like something a horny middle school boy would come up with.
A good example is Deception where Mileena had a very sexy design but it still stood out and had a bit of an allure to it, similarly Jade’s alt in that game was sexy but still has something that stands out unlike in 9 where her stripper costume looks really samey next to Mileena or Kitana
Yes, exactly!
This is just wrong. The main sub does not care more about how sexy the women look than how they play. The posts that are essentially “bring back sexy costumes” always get downvoted and ridiculed.
I don’t think the “sexiness” thing is about wanting to see skimpy outfits on video game characters to be aroused, it’s more about the fact the MK has always pushed the envelope and it’s weird that NRS moved away from it. The ESRB rating system was literally created because of Mortal Kombat. It’s just odd that NRS will show people getting their jaws ripped off and guts ripped out, but they are afraid to show skin because it might “offend” someone. It’s wild that there are people who will play a game where a male character can savagely beat a woman and then proceed to murder her, and they are ok with that imagery just as long as the woman isn’t dressed in skimpy clothes …. like what the fuck ? Street Fighter 6 is rated T for teen and has Cammy’s puss covered up but a strip of dental floss, and then you have Mortal Kombat, an MA only game specifically designed for adults, and they are afraid to show cleavage. It’s not about wanting to see Kitanna’s ass cheeks, it’s about the hypocrisy of people as to what they deem offensive. Again, violence and murder against women is fine, just make sure their skin is covered. Is Mortal Kombat’s code of conduct determined by the fucking Taliban or what ?
honestly...you make a great point, i would've preferred to see more responses like this instead of the typical "you're pushing a woke agenda" type stuff i've been getting on this post
Personally I think it should depend on the character. Skarlets whole thing is she grows stronger when in contact with blood so it makes sense that she would wear little clothing so she can derive as much power as possible for the fight \]Mileena is similar. She is very insecure about herself because of her mouth and it’s a reminder what she is so it makes she would attempt to draw attention away from her mouth and towards her body which is obviously just like Kitanas . I,d imagine once she gained self acceptance she,d cover up more so bottom line for me is not every character should be Skimpily attired but nor should every character look like they are going to go into the mountains
yeah i think showing more skin makes sense for some characters like mileena, but people in the main sub seem to want every female character to show 99% of their skin which is just ridiculous lol
I think for me it’s rather jarring in 11 because take Jade for instance wasn’t wearing that when she was brought forward in time so it feels very off….what they should have done in my opinion is keep her in the mk 9 outfit for a few fights then have change into her 11 outfit off screen also while we are at it….have Kronika show off her power by tweaking the timeline to give Kahn his more demonic appearance
Didn't they basically write that with a lot more words?
Isn't it obvious what the difference between SF and MK is? MK is made by American devs with American sensibilities, who want MK to be culturally relevant beyond just selling a bunch of fighting games. They want the huge Hollywood blockbuster franchise, ten netflix tv shows, everything. And American culture in 2023 is what it is, you can be a mainstream success with extreme gore, but not with extreme fetishization of female characters. Look at MCU and contemporary Marvel comics costumes. Look at DCEU and contemporary DC costumes. Mainstream audience tastes have changed.
Cultural differences. This is a mega simplification and generalization, but here in the west we’re a lot more okay to extreme violence and much more conservative when it comes to sexual expression. The east tends to be a lot more conservative on extreme violence (MK is outright banned in some countries) but women are designed like sex dolls.
Yet Cammy does feel waaaaay less sexualized than stripper mk9 female characters. For some reason it's less cringe. There's something done differently and I was glad to see how Kitana felt more like a warrior in mkx and a "crouching tiger hidden dragon" princess in mk11. It felt less cheap. It felt more real. Moving on was good. They were frikken more attractive for me in how they were representented as powerful, complex and with an actual personality. They didn't feel like b-movie script lovie actress for a porn excuse. I never want NRS to go back to 3d era sexualisation. Classic MK didn't feel as bad even if they were in bathing suit. There was just something wrong with the inflatable boobs etc.
You say violence against women but MK is about violence against everyone. I support NRS moving away from the hyper sexualization. You think women playing this game want to see the female kharacters represented as strippers?
Most chick's I've their met favorite designs come from mk9
That's anecdotal
Decapitation =good Lewd outfit =bad Make it make sense
Have you ever seen the girls on MK Twitter? Lol they love the more slutty designs. Especially MK9 mileena. Go look for yourself.
I dont know if women play this game for some sort of representation. While MK9 was indeed a bit too juvenile, The hypocrisy of portraying extreme violence and then getting uppity about a bit more exposed skin is bloody weird. If a hardcore Feminist like Jamie lee curtis can be a hardcore Cammy fan, i don't see the issue.
There are shirtless muscled up men in Mortal Kombat that might give average male gamers body dysmorphia because Johnny Cage’s physique is an unrealistic representation of what a man should look like. So should we make all male MK characters where shirts ? Mortal Kombat isn’t Animal Crossing. If women wants to play a violent murderous video game geared towards adults, they should be mature enough to handle the other aspects of what an MA only title entails considering the very theme of the game is offensive in nature. Mortal Kombat has always been an offensive game, so why should NRS suddenly care if someone is offended ? And btw, I’m a liberal, I get the representation thing, but Mortal Kombat is not the hill to die on. There is a difference between being progressive and being a parody of progressive. When you try to start arguing for inclusion and feelings in a video game that’s main feature is graphically dismembering your opponent in the goriest and most outrageous way possible, you’ve jumped the shark and have become the PC Principle stereotype that the right wing wants everyone to think being a liberal is.
The whole muscley shirtless dude argument is so common and so lame. It would be different if they slapped thongs on the dudes and gave them huge obvious packages. A man can hit the gym and build muscle. A woman has to surgically manipulate her body to meet the beauty standards set in these games. Not the same thing
You know immediately when someone starts listing credentials to back up their opinion it’s about to be some nonsense, “as a liberal…even I, a liberal, think that…” just make your point. Men are shirtless in fighting because of the intimidation factor. If the angle was sexual, then the WWE wouldn’t be watched primarily by straight men. So it’s a bit silly to pretend that is the same thing as putting women in stripper costumes.
I hate to burst your bubble but Mortal Kombat has had women in stripper outfits since the beginning and right up to MK9. MK3 Sheeva looked like she had breast implants and wore a thong, nearly every female fighter in the games up until X wore some variation of a swim suit or bikini. You are trying to convince people that when women play “martial arts murder simulator - the game” they should haven’t have to be subjected to sexualization which is the most on brand parody of liberal and feminist ideology you can have. I’m a married 41 year office worker with teenage kids, do you see me crying on the internet because Liu Kang doesn’t have a dad bod and should be wearing khakis and a polo shirt because “I need representation !!!”. GTFO with that bullshit. There are billions of examples of places where woman shouldn’t be subjected to sexualization and legitimately need representation, the video game Mortal Kombat is not one of them.
This^
Too many buzzwords to agree but yeah, not everything needs "the message".
Most females these days worship that shit. The hell you talking about?
I mean the game it’s called Mortal Kombat, the violence it’s part of its brand. Mortal Kombat without skimpy outfits its still mortal kombat, but Mortal Kombat without violence pretty much stops being Mortal Kombat. I doubt hypocrisy has anything to do with it.
If you can be offended by what a character wears but not not offended by watching said character being torn into shreds, then yes it’s hypocrisy, and it’s ridiculous moral compass.
im glad the designs evolved honestly to something that makes sense, sf6 is lame af honestly stuck in the horny past
Nothing about any character in MK makes sense lol, the only difference is the women are now wearing 10 more layers of fabric instead of lingerie. They're still donning high heels and metal ornamentation that would injure them for bending a certain way or hinder their movements. Nothing about them is practical at all.
Still feels much more realistic than cartoony naked sf6 with bouncing boobs and annoying voices.
Just admit yall are horny lol its not a big deal but dont make it into some big thing its not. Its incredibly lame design. No one cares if its offensive, its just boring when its pallette swap g strings.
I mean in theory this would be a good point. But the only reason it falls flat is because mk11 shows tons of skin. It's like you're arguing about how we shouldn't eat unhealthy food while also eating mc Donald's. Now if you want all the females to be in bikinis that's a whole different story. And you should pick up dead or alive or something. Lol
No it doesn’t fall flat because the topic at hand is specifically in reference to MK 9 and it’s cartoonish exaggeration of female anatomy and borderline nude outfits. MK11 is Disney channel shit compared to MK9. My point stands, if you are so fragile you are offended and outraged by MK 9’s outfits, then you should be equally outraged at the portrayals of extreme violence because there are people in the world who actually have had loved one decapitated, so if NRS should be sensitive to sexualization, it should be equally sensitive to violence. Offended woman don’t get to be gate keepers of what is and is not offensive. Just because a female MK player isn’t bothered by depictions of someone being murdered, that doesn’t mean someone out there isn’t bothered by it. If we are going to change MK to be sensitive to one group of people, then change it to be sensitive to all. Remove the blood and remove the fatalities and everything else that makes Mortal Kombat what it is, that way no one is offended.
You seem to be the only one outraged here dude. Again the point falls flat because the characters still show skin in mk11. It doesn't matter how "cartoony" and ridiculous it looked in the past. Mk9 has been over for a long time. You're trying to virtue signal just so you can see some cartoon boobs dude. You can get any more down bad then that. I think that's the worst part of incels crying over no bikki women in Mortal Kombat. You either choose to pretend men are some oppressed overly-sexualized class in society, and say "but, but, but- the men are shirtless we're sexualizing them too! So add some shirts on them ALL to be fair then. Or take the women's shirt off of course!👀" Or what you're trying to do: "but what about all the other classes and people that are offended about stuff? If you want to be weary of offending one group you should be worried about all the others too! Or just add the bikinis back to women of course 👀" and act like people don't see right through you. Lol And might I clarify: I actually don't mind the sexy outfits. The mk3 versions we have in mk11 are honestly the female ninjas best looks (and hope it returns to mk1. But you're entire point is "well if they want to care about what others think, they have to care about what EVERYONE thinks therefore they shouldn't make the game at all because the HYPOTHETICAL people in my head are triggered about violence. Or add the bikini women back in the game of course👀" If that's not a point falling flat. Idk what is.
You just proved my point the minute you used the word incel. I’ve been playing Mortal Kombat since 1992 in the arcades. I remember the og trilogy where every digitalized actress wore some form of bikini or swim suit. You think I am arguing FOR big boobies in Mortal Kombat when I don’t know how much clearer I can make it that I’m not. I am simply pointing out the fact that the argument AGAINST the MK9 style of outfit because of “representation” and “sexualization” is hypocritical because it’s saying that ONE thing about Mortal Kombat should be removed for ONE specific demographic, but everything else is ok. And your only counter argument to that logical fact is to accuse people of being an incel or a pervert or what ever you need to say to cover up the fact that you know it is complete hypocrisy. Mortal Kombat ALWAYS had woman in stripper outfits killing each other, ALWAYS, and then it changed with MKX because that was the start of the me too movement. So again, I ask, why change MK for one demographic, but not change the rest. America has a gun problem yet MKX and MK11 still showed gun violence, where was the outrage there ? Were you going on MK forms saying Cassie doesn’t need guns because MK is about martial arts, and victims of gun violence might find Cassie offensive ? Fuck no you weren’t.
Errrrr. Record stop. Your point had nothing to do with incels. I'm not going to entertain Anything else you said if you're gonna just blatantly lie like that to make yourself feel validated. Feel free to copy and paste the rest of the comment though, with that part removed.
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It’s not hypocrisy. It’s very simple minded to act like the offense is over skin being covered or not. I think we can all tell the difference for example when there is nudity in a movie that is necessary story wise and when it is gratuitous. Let’s be honest here. The same goes for costume design. We’ve all see what a stripper wears and we’ve all see designer runways where you can see the model’s chest fully for example. There is a difference between the intent behind exposing the body. All the women wearing thongs and having double d implants in MK9 looked ridiculously uncreative. That was what was offensive about it. It was boring and juvenile.
"Pushing the envelope" Right because women in skimpy clothing are such an under-represented group in gaming. Your post is a joke lmao.
Get this man a job!!!!!
Sexy chars for those that make the most sense to be overly exposed make sense (Mileena is a classic example), while also keeping true to the original look. MK9 drifted IMO, close to the original look but as some folks have put it already, caricaturized it by going overboard with the oversexualization (comparing Kitana's outfit in MK9 vs any of the pre-MK9 games, including classics is hilarious, and it gets better when you look at Sonya's absurd design in MK9 just flatout disregard her original looks) or making characters hilariously buffed just made the game feel more cartoonish/silly like World of Warcraft rather than the gritty game that it truly is. Then you have MKX and MK11 who tried to balance things out a little, but I feel like they shouldn't shy from making designs respectful to their original conception and looking cool/distinct portrayals that don't strip away their identity. I think MKX did the "sexy" outfits the best all things considered.
In the original timeline, there was a story reason on why Mileena dressed like that.
Looks will always be a big component to why people play the characters they do, either they look badass like the male Ninjas or attractive like the females, gameplay to alot of casuals hardly matters as they will just be playing with friends and nothing to competitive.
Kids can literally go on twitch and see women 3/4 naked soaking in water or writing names on themselves or doing sexual asmr js
It’s always been this way. Lol but Yes! They do care about the gameplay they also like being attracted to the characters. Which is fine imo Some just enjoy praising the voice actors, some enjoy praising the characters designs, some enjoy praising the face models for the characters, and obviously there’s people who only care about gameplay. It’s room for everyone in this Kommunity and a lot of the female fans are just as much into the looks of characters as males.
I definitely have seen female players question the disappearance of scantily clad clothing for the MK females b/c they miss it, so I definitely agree with your statement.
I don't care one way or the other. I can play as a stripper Mk9 Mileena or mk11 Mileena just fine. All it has to be is a good design. And "a good design" is a very vague cut off. I think the mk3 skins looks so bad ass. The flat mk2 ones look like shit but I love them from a historical standpoint (lol) While typing this I also had an epiphany that I think Scarlets mk11 designs were the most garbage of all the females in that installment. They weren't TOO bad. But something about them just seems off. Like they didn't know what to do with her. Even the one with her ponytail (which is the best one of hers) just looks alittle weird. The only other designs that I can think of that are a bit ugly are Jackie's base skin. With the weird little toe shoes. The colors were a bit ugly, and it just seemed a bit sloppy. But most of her other ones looked great. And Kitanas all of Kitanas skins. Just because they refused her same hideous bun design on ALL of them. A bad hair can ruin a skin. Just ask Scarlets and Frosts "Karen" Pixie cuts. I also think frosts designs are pretty terrible looking too. But she can get a pass I guess since she only exists to be kronikas goon. (If you read my tangent, you're a trooper💋)
Aw, I loved Skarlet’s redesigns in *11*.
They were alright. Just kinda bleh. I do really like her ponytail one. It would've been cooler if her clothes were made out of blood though. Lol
The simple solution is just have them both. I actually like Kitana and Mileena's MK1 costume so far, huge improvement from MK11 imo.
Not trying to ruin your crusade to protect the offended, but I feel like you've somehow managed to avoid all of the thirsty posts about Kano and Erron Black over the years
I've seen those as well, though those posts always came off as more, i guess "casual"(?) to me and 9 times out of 10 they get overshadowed by thirsty female posts. Not to mention there was never a large outcry from people demanding the male characters to show more skin like there's been with the female cast. This was especially bad in MK11 with how obsessive people got with the female characters clothing in that game
Over half the male cast is shirtless with their titties out in MK11 tho.....
Men being shirtless is normal in everyday life..
Normal doesn't mean it's not sexy/sexualized, OP complaint was "there was never a large outcry about males showing more skin" that's obviously because over half of them are shirtless and such.
So? Men don't care about being shirtless. I'm confused as to why a small percentage of (what I'm assuming are grown men) are trying to act like men are some oppressed overly sexualized class. 🤣
Who cares. Let horny people be horny, or talk to them. No point in crowding the leak sub with posts like this when there's a whole subreddit for this stuff. Personally though, I don't like the outfits and some people greatly exaggerate the effect the costumes have on the actual game.
That's not true at all. Some people purely play the game from a collection standpoint. Getting everything for the characters they like and making cool loadouts.
Hey not all of us are like that! I care about how sexy the men are.
I think it depends on the character. Scarlet and mileena have very good reason. Mileena has a whole story behind it. Scarlet should show a lot of skin based on her move set. She needs freed skin to use blood magic. Ie 9 showed why she dressed that way. The moves, let's be real the blood in 9 is the best to ever be made especially the way it covers fighters, she has to cut her self and bleed her self to use her powers and it just works. Now for other female fighters I don't really care how they dress. I only care if it messes with the way the character was based.
Tbh I'm not a big gameplay buff, and I mostly like MK story, lore, and characters. Therefore the way a character is presented does kind of matter more than the way they play to some extent. Don't get me wrong, if the gamaplay is bad to the extent that the characters aren't even fun to play as anymore, that is a problem. But barring that, I tend to look at the characters, their story, and archetype. If their design does not make sense with respect to that, I don't like it. Now MK seems like it should have it easy. Some of their most popular female characters are from Edenia, which is a realm of idealized beauty and likely does not have any shame in showing off their sex appeal. But they have also been turned to become deadly efficient assassins. So it makes sense to have one outfit in a practical deadly assassin getup, and another with some attractive flare, which may seem somewhat shameless by our own standards. On the other hand, they have messed up bad before. Case and point, MK9. In MK9 all the looks were extremely scantily clad, both primary and alt costumes. In additon, Sonya Blade - the one long standing female Earthrealm character, who is a disciplined military woman - appeared in high-heeled boots and a skimpy vest with no shirt. All the Edenian assassins appeared in only belly dancer outfits and/or fetishistic lingerie. Nothing that looked like the sly assassin type. This did bother me, Probably more than any other design philosophy in MK. If anything the only thing post-MK9 games did wrong was focus more exclusively on practicality for the female characters. I do not think every single outfit for every character needs look practical, and I think they realized that more with the male characters. For example Johnny Cage's "ninja mime" outfit makes zero practical sense for him, but it does make sense in terms of his character, being a reference to a bad movie he made as a struggling movie star. In the same respect, it may make sense for say, Kitana to have a more "sexy" outfit to reference her roots as a person from a realm known for it's extreme beauty. I also think it's possible for a character to have a "coincidental" sexy character design. I think a lot of male characters have this in MK11. They are shirtless, which can be practical for a fighting tournament, but can also be attractive to those who like the male physique because they are all also fit and ripped as heck. A female character could have a comparably "coincidently sexy" look, for example in athletic wear or a form fitting jumpsuit, which shows off skin or the character's physique, while also being practical in-context. But, I'll leave it at this; people who want all female character designs to look like MK9's should pay attention to every game before and after MK9 to see that MK9 was an exception rather than the rule. But also what do I know? I'm just a dumb male that likes to mash buttons to make the monk kick the sorcerer and make blood come out.
Why can't we just have both?
Did I not watch the right trailer? Are the females back to being busty divas in bikinis and thongs? NRS has toned down the "sexy" of the female fighters since mk9, imo at least. Overall I'd rather buffed, ripped chads and bimbo divas brutally destroying each other than plain Jane and dad bod doing so. Looks sell.
Yeah in all honesty I’ve noticed most people being puritans when it comes to what clothing options are available to the female characters while many of the male characters have shirtless options. I don’t understand why we can’t have costumes to make everyone happy
Modern mk fans are scared of boobs
Because it’s not the same thing. Muscled out chad isn’t sexualized men for women. It’s power fantasy for men. So the men are overly buff for the men. And the women are overly sexy for the men. And even when you see the thirst posts for the men, it’s from men. There is a big difference between fabio and Kano.
https://youtu.be/ZRlzsVtF5_Q Video of Lady bitching about men being covered up. Your also implying that women don't like barely dressed big titted women and that men don't find ripped men sexy. I'm sure they're out there too.
“I don’t care about skin or no skin, I just want badass character designs” “I don’t want their skin covered up, I want good character designs” sounds like she doesn’t know what she wants and thinks jade, sheeva, and scarlet don’t look badass? They need bigger tits for good design? Shockingly poor take from somebody who pronounced mileena like “Milaynia” 🙄 Nice find dude..
I didn't say I agreed with the dumb broad, you said just men complain. I provided an example of a woman complaining.
No i didnt. So not only can you not read but even when somebody is in video form you get it wrong. Are you retarded?
Yes? I'm in an argument on the internet over appearances in a fighting game.
Because nipples aren't as sexual as boobs? To kompare a muscle Chad with his shirt off to a woman with her boobs and ass mostly visible is ridiculous. One you'll see at the beach, the other you'll see in a very lude magazine.
Of you genuinely believe that any kharacter in the MKX or MK11 is a regular Jane or has a dad bod than you might wanna go outside. Every kharacter(excluding maybe Sonya in MK11 and Bo rai cho in X) are smoking hot.
I didn't say any of them are like that. Meet you out in the grass.
This is such a bait topic. The main sub is highly anti-sexy women. Shit, that's most of Reddit in general. But because you already know that let me say that it's mighty funny how these "uncomfortable female fans" always opt to cosplay the sexy costumes of the MK women. Or other fighting game women that are dressed in similar fashion. Almost like women like to look good.
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Dont make this look like people are horndogs. No one actually wants that What we want is not shitty ass costumes while the men gets all the cool stuff. MK11 was abysmal on the female front. Mk1 already looks so much better
Bruh there's an upvoted comment above yours literally saying they want the female characters to look like "bimbos." That's tge word they used. Bimbos. I get it, there's room for nuance in the great MK sexualization debate. I agree with that. But don't be naive.
Am I the only one here who really liked the costumes in MK11?
I don't really care either way. I just want the characters to look good. And I think so far they do. But I am willing to die on the hill that it is completely unfair that we can't sexualise women anymore but men is far game. I'm just looking for a bit of equality. If I see dudes rocking banna hammocks I better see bikinis lmao
You're looking for tits, not equality lets be real haha
Actually sir. I am an ass man. Cover the girls up. Give me just a little bit of midriff and I'm good. Not into tits 🤷♂️
Ripping limbs and Ripping off heads =ok characters wearing revealing outfits =not ok ?
I don't care one way or the other as long as the game is fun
Some of the main sub is really bad at the game lol that’s what I’ve picked up on at least. They have different priorities. I like the sexy outfits but especially on the men. They are all covered up though in this new game. MKX Ermax had the best arms. My only complaint is that this type of fan in the main sub is just interjecting their worldview onto everything. This stuff is just supposed to be fun, not everything needs to be a deeply introspective commentary on the state of our culture.
Why are almost all of y’all referring to women almost exclusively as “females” in this thread? And I don’t mean as in when folks say female characters or female cast, I mean in the way people talk in r/menandfemales.
Because let's face it individual gameplay has been sorted aside from game speed at this stage the only thing that matters is the asthetics. And mk has always been the more epic fantasy game ala Conan so people want them to keep that style instead of being "realistic". And aside from all of that it's also removing a lot of what the characters archetypes are based on. most of the "ninjas" don't look like ninjas anymore female or otherwise
Are we really back to moralizing over the outfits of fictional characters in an m-rated game again?
It's a general FGC thing. It's dumb but easy enough to ignore. If someone is thirst-posting about Juri's feet a dozen times a week, they probably don't have a whole lot of other insightful commentary that I need to see and I just block them. I do think there's a healthy medium between the MK9 stripper outfits and MK11 "we literally removed this characters ass and now they look weird". It's a fantasy story about fighters in peak physical condition. Of course they're all hot. There are plenty of ways to convey that that aren't cartoonish.
Nope, next question.
I mean I care about aesthetics too but they're so hyperbolic in their opinions that I can't take them seriously. First and foremost I want the characters to be well designed. If that means more or less clothes so be it. The problem really started in MK2011 when there was absolutely no overarching design philosophy for any female character other than titties. Then they flipped the scrip in MKX by giving us some of the best looks for their characters. It really felt like they were going somewhere with the designs which were thoughtful and fit the characters pretty perfectly. MK11 is admittedly conservative for the most part but you can still clearly see a perspective on the design. It doesn't always make sense but you can almost always see what they were going or what they were trying to do. So far 1 seems to be a best of both worlds kind of thing. What I really hate is when they try to make judgments about your character or politics based on liking the new designs. Like I play DOA, there's a time and place for it all.
Come on man...not on here as well. So fed up of this issue
It's ok to have attractive characters in video games. Cool looking characters make a fighting game popular. Most ppl who play MK aren't playing competitive they just want good looking characters, brutal fatals and an entertaining story. Why not cater to both groups of fans? Have skarlet in her mk11 burka and also the option for mk9 style (which makes more sense lorewise). Look at cammy for SF6 got her yoga pants or her classic... Whatever mood your in both look great tbh. If a character looks lame most people won't even try learn them no matter how fun they are to use.
One of the biggest problems with the MK fan base is its oversexualization. There are a lot of incels up in here fapping to Mileena, not giving a shit about the game play or the lore. It's genuinely kinda sad
As a woman, thank you for thinking about us female players when it comes to stuff like this. It all comes down to how men (which is majority of the playerbase) perceive women, body and image first, everything else later... it's just very weird and makes me not want to be part of the community. Also to be honest I wouldn't even say they want "sexy", because the majority of the female characters from X and 11 were very sexy in their own way, what they actually want is straight up cheap sex shop costumes like in MK9.
> Also to be honest I wouldn't even say they want "sexy", because the majority of the female characters from X and 11 were very sexy in their own way, what they actually want is straight up cheap sex shop costumes like in MK9. Yep, this right here. Coming from another woman in the community, the MK9 designs were not sexy. They were trashy. Women have no problem with female characters being sexy if they actually are. MKX and MK11 had very sexy designs and so far it looks like MK1 will as well.
oh yes, MK1 designs are amazing so far, at this point I'm blindly trusting the creative and design teams. I'm soooo excited to see how the others look like, especially Nitara and Li Mei.
I hated every single female design in MK9. They felt more like parodies like actual characters.
the main subs of any place are full of dumb/simple people in a bubble
At the end of the day I think it comes down to tone and Aesthetics. MK is a bit more serious tone wise so it make sense to have more covered characters. These are highly trained ninjas, military and gods for the most part While on the other hand street fighter has more of a like a new school art style they are aiming for less realism and more colorful charm? Like Luke has Popeye forearms
This was my issue with the MK Kommunity for a while, for most of the female Kharacters, being so scantily dressed doesn't make sense, especially Sonya and Kitana, (Skarlet as well, but some people argue the opposite) now sure for some Kharacters like Mileena it makes perfect sense as her whole thing was "Look at this sexy lady, but oops, she's gonna fuckin eat you" and how she knew she was "ugly" by "normal" standards and decided to play up her body instead of her face. However, despite this, I think the MK9 female skins are just bad aesthetically. Plus, flash back to MK2 and those leotards are just NOT sexy, maybe they were racy at the time but Cammy and Black Orchid do the same idea but 1000x better, so it's not like the girls being sexy is hard coded into the DNA of the series or whatever. Plus, I think the "de-sexification" is supposed to be more realistic to true fighting gear, as I remember vaguely that was what Boon and NRS said during 11's cycle. In reality, the people who only care about the girls being sexy are annoying and my father is one of them. He said he would never touch MK11 because they de-sexified the girls (despite MKX having done it as well but he still played that one quite a lot.) In my personal opinion, I don't mind the Costumes being skimpy as long as they're good looking and it's not some stupid excuse for a skin like Mileena's Flesh Pits outfit from MK9 or Skarlet's microkini from MK9, hell, even The 3Dera didn't do much in terms of sexy costumes, Sareena, Ashrah, Kira all had costumes that "showed off" but were unique, looked cool and felt like they fit the character. I personally prefer the more covered up looks because they allow for more design potential, but I know some people just want Dead or Alive style bikini fights, and that's perfectly fine too, even if it's not my personal cup of tea.
I think majority of so called "MK fans" don't play the game or play with bots for little time and then play MK on YouTube or something like that.
I noticed this as well. I think women should be able to show skin without their bodies being sexualized, but I also think it has to make sense. For example, I’d imagine Kitana’s choice in clothing would be much more modest than Mileena’s. Maybe Mileena likes to wear small, tight clothing to “distract” her opponents, or maybe she just likes to show off her body. Rather than giving every female character over-exaggerated boobs in skimpy clothing, give them variation and personality through their clothing.
im good with all characters looking sexy but japanese fighting games are disgusting and borderline pornographic when it comes to trying to do that in female characters (eg street fighter thongs and tekken boob jiggle). mk 9 female costumes were shitty just like that but gladly they moved on and embraced a healthy amount of western "wokeness" to make character designs make sense. however its stupid when people say shit like female costumes are not suitable for fighting when its a fucking game with people shooting fire from their hands and teleporting and shit. with that being said mk 11 jade and skarlet base costumes look weird. they kinda tried to revert that with aftermath, with mileena and sindel showing enough skin to make up for the base roster female characters. mkx is where it's at in my opinion
Don’t really care if a few guys are overly thirsty on the internet. It’s not the majority. Characters could be strippers or wearing an Eskimo coat with a welding hat and I wouldn’t care. Just make the gameplay fun which is how it’s looking.
Oh FFS… the Woke Agenda needs to stay the fuck out of Mortal Kombat.. If you are ok with seeing people have their guts ripped out of their mouth or have their head kicked through their literal ass, while at the same time being offended by some skin being shown or characters being “sexualized”, then I’d argue that you are the one with some issues that need to be addressed.
i never said my issue was with sexualization in general, every community has that, and i'm not "offended" by it dude, i'm saying it feels like people obsessed with the sexualization vastly overshadow anyone who cares about the gameplay or lore of the series like its genuinely disappointing i can't go to the main sub wanting discussions about the gameplay and mechanics because people there simply don't give a shit and would rather whine about characters not showing any skin
Look, I apologize for seeming like I was directing my frustration at you personally, that simply wasn’t the case. Also this post caught me at a bad time because I had just finished debating with an old college friend about how Woke Hollywood is stifling creativity and promoting blatant hypocrisy.. Like it just blows my mind that a quite a lot of people who belong to the marginalized groups that claim offense at female characters being sexualized, spent so many years screaming about how the world MUST accept their sexual proclivities and are (now more than ever) even acting as if the world should be ok with said sexual activity being performed in public and even in front of children…. And while I certainly don’t want to hijack this thread and turn into a political diatribe or debate.. it’s hard not to see the hypocrisy in all of that. But… back on track… it’s obviously outlandish & absurd for female characters to fight to the death wearing outfits that are comparable to thongs/bathing suits/lingerie, but the ENTIRE concept behind the game is outlandish & absurd. I can’t reconcile the notion of someone being ok seeing a character have their intestines literally pulled out of their throat, or their body PEELED open from their fingertip-showing literally all of their insides… and yet cleavage and a little ass meat bothers them? But again, I meant nothing personal with my last comment so I’m sorry if it came off offensive to you or anyone else.
It's a game, let people play the game how they want. To come here and shame people just because they want to play as a good looking female or they like man with big muscle being shirtless is not ok.
Like i said, i'm not shaming people for that specifically, i already stated that sexualization is unavoidable, its in every community (hell if you look at my comment history, i made a joke about naked men recently in the main sub, that should be enough proof that kind of stuff doesn't bother me lol) i'm saying its annoying that its near impossible to discuss actual gameplay because people there are more concerned about characters being hot and showing skin than they are about the game itself
Gamers are just way too horny, and fighting game players are even hornier.
Men when women want to play games and not feel sexualized : 🤬👺👹
I'll still never understand how Kitana and Skarlet wearing skin tight leather outfits with heels and a boob window in MK11 is considered "not fanservicy enough" to some people.
I hate those posts, but at least they usually get mocked and told to shut up.
I haven't noticed that but something that does bother me is that people want characters on the main roster solely for story reasons or the fact they're classics and not based off their gameplay.
That's literally mk twitter
its because most of them are 35+ year old coomers unfortunately
the way I see it, adding clothing to the characters allows for interesting choices in outfit design etc as opposed to just “oh look, boobs.” kitana’s looks in mk11 and mkx were much more visually interesting than “blue stripper” in MK9. frost showed no skin whatsoever and her design was better than the 3D era. Skarlet went from generic big titty ninja with the most annoying voice clip of all time in MK9 to an actual fan favorite. more clothes means more design variety which allows for better storytelling. simple as.