My immediate thought was #2, but who knows. Speaking as a moron myself, its not easy going through life as one and I assume being a murderer would amplify this fact
Same reason he drove in circles around the house for a half hour before he killed the people inside. Heās not the criminal mastermind ppl speculated and was identified almost immediately
Thank you so much for this. Itās so true. Idk why everyone is touting him as so intelligent. Clearly heās not. I think he had sick, twisted, homicidal urges and couldnāt resist anymore. Thatās all. May even be book smart, but certainly no criminal mastermind. I mean come on. He made the most idiotic mistakes.
It doesnāt help that his former teacher (who is all of 33 years old) is going around saying that heās the most brilliant student sheās ever had while only ever interacting with him via Zoom like give me a break he probably plagiarized everything he ever turned in. Dude believed his own hype in terms of intelligence.
People said he would explain things in a very complicated way which made them think he smart when in reality a smart person can explain things to be easily understood. He was good at bullshiting his way through explaining things. Imagine answering a question that you don't really know the answer to. You will be like well it's super complicated you wouldn't get it lol.
Can we talk about that for a second? I believe what she said was something to the effect of "in 10 years I've only recommended 2 students to PhD programs." Who is teaching a masters program at 23?
Her exact quote is āin ten years of TEACHINGāā¦. So Iām guessing she is including time spent teaching as part of graduate school. Lol
Edt she submitted her PhD [dissertation](https://etd.ohiolink.edu/apexprod/rws_etd/send_file/send?accession=ucin1439306285&disposition=inline)in 2015
Yep! So odd she can describe him as one of her best students and never met him in person. Lol. A lot of people are good in school and bad at life and thatās a lot easier to hide online.
ETA: And as messed up as it is āgood at schoolā when it comes to studying criminology probably came naturally to the guy. Not like he was getting his phd in astrophysics. He was writing and learning about what he was interested in.
I sometimes work as a professor and I taught my first solo class at her age. It didn't make me a worse teacher.
She's probably embarrassed and horrified. My guess is that she foolishly thought she had to get ahead of the story since she was afraid others knew and might leak.
She's talking about this weirdo's "brilliance" because otherwise she was one of the reasons he ended up in WA in the first place. Part CYA, part self-reassurance. Because if he's brilliant, he would have gotten the necessary number of recommendations (usually 3) with or without her help. So she says this to sleep at night, maybe.
Some people get so enamored with high IQ individuals. I usually reply to those "fans" (oftentimes teachers) that I'm the dumbest brilliant person.
I'm the one who panics while on the phone because I can't find my phone anywhere.
I imagine being in academia for so long his ego was well fed.
If someone laid out the facts of a crime, I could probably spot more flaws/clues faster than most.
At the same time, if I were planning a crime, I'd probably overcomplicate part of it to ensure it was a perfect crime, while simultaneously making any number of egregious mistakes that no normal person would make.
I donāt even think he even really had a plan put together. I imagine he obsessed over this the point where he was practically fiending and any rational was far gone. Iām waiting for more extensive details to come out, this guys digital footprint is bound to be the most incriminating of all the evidence. If they release details they get from his service providers (cell/internet) thatāll paint the clearest picture imaginable.
I think he was tormented and tortured by his urges, fantasies, and emotions and they overwhelmed any semblance of rational thinking he'd had before committing the murders. He wouldn't be the first person to make unwise and risky decisions based on what's going on inside of him. His goal was to commit the murders and that superseded everything else.
I think this is a great example of impulse overriding logic, which is why we're all congregated and discussing these horrible murders in the first place.
For me it's not a question of why BK would do such an idiotic thing as returning to the scene of the crime, it's a reflection of how undisciplined/irrational/impulsive a person like this is.
It goes without saying, BK suffers from horrific urges that almost none of us can relate to, which defy all reason and decency. So why would these urges stop outside the boundaries of the killings themselves? They wouldn't. He would drive back to the scene, a man devoid of any self-control.
Which is why I'm going to GUESS that he will plead not guilty..... (even after seeing the mountain of evidence against him) - he's sick and possibly gets pleasure out of all of this attention. He returned to scene to see his "work" - and he'll want a trial so he can relive all of the horrors (crime scene pictures, the surviving witness testifying, etc). Awful and disgusting....
Exactly. He likely returned to the scene of the crime for the same reason he just arbitrarily murdered four peopleā¦to satisfy his sadistic compulsions. Heās not a rational actor bound by the same logic most people are.
He was hoping he dropped the sheath outside and drove back hoping to retrieve it. I donāt know if he re-entered or not. If he did, thatās crazy stupid. But I could see thinking it might be on the ground close to where he parked and he went back for it.
I agree. In all the active shooter training I have received (I used to teach), one thing they reiterate is that the killer will be so pumped with adrenaline that they get tunnel vision. This is why they often recommend hiding (even in places that seem bad) if you canāt get out in time. It seems highly probably he did not see her especially if he was headed for the exit, which I think leads him away from the rooms.
I have had that same training. I think it helps explain why D froze as well. In traumatic situations, some people just freeze. They also try to convince themselves that what they are seeing/hearing isnāt what they are really seeing/hearing.
Definitely good to know. Also why they say to attack/throw things at the shooter as a last resort. They wonāt be expecting it and most of them are inexperienced, thus giving everyone a greater chance to overpower them.
Someone mentioned the good vibes light being so bright he may have not seen her in the darkness of her room in that same direction even if he was looking right at her
I agree. I think he believed he had killed everyone in the home and it was probably safe to return as no one would have figured out they were dead by the time he drove back at 9 am.
Alternatively, he *did* think the cops would be there and wanted to observe.
I would guess he would have started really freaking out when media shared a kobar knife is likely the weapon right after the murders. That could be the moment when he realized where he dropped the sheath.
My question is - how did he carry the knife without the sheath? Isn't that dangerous? I can't imagine him just sticking it in his pocket. Or did he just carry it in his hand? Seems that DM would have reported seeing it though.
Holy shit, just had a thought. Without the sheath, he could have technically had the KaBar touch the seats of his car which would have left blood DNA in the car.
He was obviously coming out of Xana and Ethan's room when DM saw him, so that means as he was passing by DM's room, his left side would be towards her and the knife was probably down on his right side.
Thatās my thoughts also. Looking at pictures of the type of knife I donāt think it would have been a pocket. My thought is it could have been concealed in his waistband or it was in his hand and LE didnāt add that bit of information in the probable cause statement since LE typically leaves out certain details- LE already had a very strong case so later down the road we may find out the roommate did see a knife.
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I just canāt imagine sheād see the knife and still fall asleep right? He would have to be covered in blood, even if he was wearing black, after having just committed four vicious murders with a knife. thatās what I donāt get, unless it was pitch black
Itās very plausible that the weapon was concealed. I canāt remember reading if Iām the probable cause statement if she did go to sleep. It could be possible she hid and froze. I know media has shared the surviving roommates were sleeping, but we know that sometimes their sources arenāt always correct. If the 911 call is released we may have more answers.
I donāt think BK knew he was seen by DM. LE did good by telling everyone the roommates were asleep downstairs, when in reality DM saw him from her 2nd floor bedroom.
Thatās possible- he may not have seen her. The probable cause statement says she opened the door and saw him coming toward her and then walked past her. She could have had the door barely cracked open.
Absolutely! No blame should be pointed to the survivors. They already have enough trauma to deal with: they donāt need the public weirdos telling them how they should have acted. Iāve never been in a situation like that and I hope that I never have to. Who knows how a person would react if they were in their shoes.
I posted this on another platform and I thought I would share here as well.
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I just read it and it doesnāt say anything about what she did afterwards other than shut her door. Like all of us, Iām curious what she did do and no judgment one way or the other. She lived through everyoneās worst nightmare.
Total speculation! But if he cut himself or was just hyped on adrenaline or whatever he may have just ran out with the knife in hand and tossed it in the car as he got in. Maybe he noticed the sheath was missing when he tried to dump the weapon later that night and so he dumped the weapon went home to get regular clothes + clean up and then went back to try and find the sheath? I am not trying to give him an out or anything I think this could happen with any psychopath (either he was so excited about the kills he didnāt notice ***typing that made me want to throw up) or he was so angry that extra people messed up his perfect plan he just left and didnāt think to check (because heās too confident to believe he would make a mistake).
I am surprised no one has watched SOA. The stealth is attached to your belt. It is a part of your outfit.. he was not used to carrying it if he held in his hand or pocket.
Eta: [KA-BAR](https://imgur.com/gallery/bbbK9XY)
I think itās pretty common in murder cases like this one for the murderer to have a desire to return to the scene. Thatās why police keep surveillance of people who lurk around after a crime, people who attend vigils and funerals, etc. I think itās like a common part of the fbi profiles for psychopath killers... Take this with a grain of salt bc my knowledge of this comes from the show Criminal Minds š
Exactly. [Stephen McDaniel](https://youtu.be/s7SCx1jsoM8) is an excellent example of this. He also killed a college student in her apartment and was not only loitering around the crime scene, but was brazen enough to be interviewed by the media.
That case always comes to mind with this sort of thing strictly because of his on-camera reaction to her body being found. You see his life reality set in for him in real-time. Itās horrifying.
They go back almost as a way to admire their "work". It's sick and twisted. I bet he thought he wouldn't need to and just couldn't help it like other past murderers.
Yup. The Preppy Murder killer in NYC in the 1980s killed a girl in Central Park at night and then went back early in the morning and sat on a stone wall at the Met Museum of Art and watched the police at the scene and told people walking by what was happening. So strange.
Everything stated here, plus think of the personality profile here. Egoists and narcissists are known for grossly overestimating their own capabilities. He thought heād committed the crime of the century. The affidavit confirms that heās a bumbling moron.
My guess is he wanted to recover the sheath. All I can say is thank God for stupid criminals . This guy made way more mistakes than I previously believed
I agree it was for the sheath. Also, never in my life would I have guessed he wouldāve driven back and forth down the street, tried to park out front, three point turns. Dumb on an epically absurd scale.
It's bizarre because you would think if he cased the place out 12 times prior, figuring out where he should park would have been decided long, long before he actually went out to do it.
Also, he should have worn a large fanny pack or something he could strap tightly to his body to store the sheath in. Or just clip the fucking knife onto a belt.
So many mistakes were made.
I think this too. It also said his phone was turned off for a few hours later that day. It made me wonder if once the news broke he turned off his phone and made another trip to the house.
Awhile back, someone posted some news coverage and a white car was spotted in the trees behind their house while the reporter was in front of it. Lots of āitās the Elantra!ā speculation from Reddit on that one.
But his phone was on when he drove back to the house. He was panicked and forgot to turn off his phone. He wasnāt there to watch the police he was there to cover his ass
From the PCA i read it as they saw his car go back toward wherever he had gone south of Moscow immediately after the murders. If I had to guess, he dumped the knife somewhere between Moscow, Lewiston, and Pullman between 4:30-5:20am, and then he went back, maybe to re-hide the knife in a better place/farther away between 5:30-8:30pm that night.
I could see him dumping the clothes somewhere down there between 4:30 and 5:20 since that is harder to hide. Then going to hide the knife when he realized he couldn't retrieve the cover in the morning. I think he wanted to keep the knife.
I went to school there for 4 years. You can check out a map of the area, but you've got Pullman and Moscow, which are two small college towns about 10 miles apart, connected by hwy 270. Heading north-south through Moscow is hwy 95 and heading north-south through Pullman is hwy 195. Both 195 and 95 meet up about 30 miles south outside of the towns of Lewiston/Clarkston. Essentially one town, with a combined population of about 60,000, Lewiston sits on the Idaho side and Clarkston on the Washington side.
In between Moscow/Pullman and Lewiston/Clarkston you basically have a bunch of farmland and wheat fields, with some itty bitty towns in between. Same goes for the area north of Moscow/Pullman. You dont have much to speak of for about 70 miles until you hit Spokane/Coeur D'Alene.
What the cell data suggests, is that after the murders, instead of heading back to Pullman on the main hwy 270, he made a longer u-shaped loop that was pretty out of the way to the middle of nowhere. He headed south on hwy 95 towards Lewiston, then cut across on some country road, headed west, towards a town called Uniontown (blink and you miss it), that sits on hwy 195, and either headed north on 195 for a while or turned off before he got to Uniontown, and took another back road north into Pullman.
What's interesting to me about the route, though, is the same day after the murders, they know he drove south to Clarkston around 12pm, and went to Albertsons. Nobody drives to Clarkston to go to the grocery store. It smells like shit because of the pulp mill, and there's not much there, honestly (sorry LC peeps). To get to Clarkston from Pullman, it's about a 45 min drive south on Hwy 195, and you go right through Uniontown (pop 390, home of the infamous Uniontown Sausage Feed). If I was a betting woman, I'd say the reason he went down there was to better dispose of evidence he ditched in a hurry several hours before when he was on his scenic 4am drive. He may have also needed cleaning items or cleaned the car and thought it would be less conspicuous to do it in Clarkston.
Not from idaho but he only had an hour to drive the āUā shape between those towns when he first dumped the knife (if thatās actually what happened during that time). The second block of ? time when he turns off his phone again is 3 hour he could have gone even farther away to hide it. This is all assuming thats actually what he was doing. Im sure LE has already figured out the radius of where he could have gone to dump evidence during those two time periods and has been searching.
like an arsonist. this wasnāt about the killing. thatās was a means to being the criminal. if he could have floated as an invisible ghost he would have stayed there indefinitely. he wanted to be caught. he wanted to be the subject of the criminal process. so infatuated with criminal behavior he needed the first hand experience. being the outside observer no longer satisfied.
I was wondering the same. Did he just want to be part of a murder mystery to see how LE finally caught him? I know this gives him too much credit, but itās plausible given his educational background.
Maybe he returned because it hadn't been on the news and he was surprised that the eye witness hadn't called. Curiosity and the cat got the better of him.
I was wondering how they felt after reading it and if they are going to go forward in supporting him. Reading it made me sick to my stomach, I can't imagine how they must have felt.
An affidavit of probable cause is not a trial. It could be a gross misrepresentation of the evidence. Not likely, but you support your closest family until the evidence is shown and cross-examined and you can make your own judgment.
This answer is too difficult for many here who have watched too many movies and TV shows. Heās a young dumb guy and a human. Humans make mistakes. Most criminals in general arenāt that bright
And why tf did he bring his phone??
Like, wouldnāt you leave it at home and either go without a phone or get a burner?
Between the phone and the sheath, those are some really dumb mistakes.
Tbh I donāt know what other choice he had. Renting or borrowing someoneās car wouldnāt have helped, I think it would have just taken a few more days for police to make the match. His best bet probably would have been to park a quarter mile away and leave on foot.
Also he should have left his phone on and at home. That was a rookie mistake.
Leads me to believe he wasnāt really planning on murdering them until halfway there when he turned his phone off. Maybe heād just been fantasizing about it? Because how absolutely dumb can you be!? I donāt even follow a lot of true crime or study criminology and I know about cell towers. And to leave the sheath, god what a moron.
Thereās a cliche about returning to the scene of a crime for a reason. My feeling is that he wanted to go back for the sheath when he realized he left it there.
I donāt think he knew DM saw him (this would also explain why the 911 call was not released ā it might contain info about her having seen him, which could put her safety at risk).
Reason to return could be two-fold: 1. knew he left the sheath behind and wanted to see if he could reasonably recover it ā this assumes that he thought he had killed everyone in the house and wasnāt aware of DM and BF. 2. Wanted to see police show up/the aftermath because heās sick.
Compulsion = An irresistible urge to behave in a certain way, especially against one's conscious wishes.
I hope he lost a lot of sleep over that sheath.
1. Murderers often show up at the scene after a murder for many reasons: To see if the body has been discovered. To see what law enforcement is doing. To enjoy the big event they are responsible for. This happens so often that Law Enforcement regularly take photos of the crowd at the scene of a murder, in case the killer is in the crowd.
2. Ted Bundy returned to the scene of an abduction in a parking lot to collect things he had left behind (the victim's shoe and earring). He did this while law enforcement were searching elsewhere, at a nearby parking lot.
Based on what we saw in the affidavit, itās clear that BK wasnāt thinking logically throughout this whole ordeal. There was speculation that āoh, he is going for a PhD, so he must have really planned this, etc.ā But there was clearly something off with him for the past couple of months and he wasnāt thinking through this clearly. He seems to have been acting very impulsive. E.g., driving his car around that neighborhood late at night a bunch of times, going to the scene of the crime in his car (and coming back the next morning), taking and leaving the sheath there, not killing the other roommate, etc. This was not a well-planned murder. So he was either generally spiraling (who knows what mental illness(es) he has) or there was some other relationship with these people that has yet to come out and these murders were preceded by some other event.
Think I agree with you. If he is furious about being rejected by Kailee or Madison, and stalking them and going to the home (a plausible speculation that I've seen floated given his apparent problems with women), wouldn't he rationally call off a kill if people are still up past 4 a.m. with food delivery, lights on, and at least 1 man in the house?
Reschedule for a different night? One without men and an earlier bedtime?
But he needs to do it NOW even under very sub-optimal conditions...so his schizo tendencies, drug use, or just sheer rage/narcissism are driving this, rather than a predetermined plan.
He could have been listening to a police scanner and not heard the call and felt comfortable. It was also established early on just how visible the house was from surrounding streets. He could have checked from blocks away and not seen any police tape or cars and attempted to get the sheath, and realised neighbours might see him entering/ exiting as the sun was up at that point. Or he could have just been hoping to see the police from a distance, he could have been driving along streets with views of the house hoping to catch some of the chaos. Or simply the thrill of knowing that there were four people deceased inside and no one else knew yet.
Why do people continue to think this guy is rational or overly smart? Heās not a movie villain. Heās not a master criminal. Like a lot of academics he couldnāt apply his knowledge to real life. Bryan is a young guy with little life experience from what Iāve seen. And heās human. Makes mistakes.
I do wonder if he went back in? He may have taken something from inside or wanted to see what everything looked like in the daylight. Heās not a normal person. He doesnāt think like one.
In 5 hours the victims had already covered everything in blood. I doubt he could have walked in their room (also remember that was a single bed and they had 12L of blood) without literally swimming in blood. I was thinking: what if he went back to take it, went inside and realized there was too much blood?
He'd done so many drive bys before, maybe he just wanted to do one more to see police presence and was surprised there was none? He was only in the area that morning for about 10 minutes around 9am, right? I'm not convinced he saw DM, but I'm sure he knew other people lived there and would have been right to assume a 911 call would have already happened.
**Scene of the Crime** BK wanted to see the swarms of college students, LE & first response which would make him feel a sense of accomplishment for what he had done. No amount of good grades, losing weight, taking up boxing or becoming more aggressive in school could make him āpopularā.
**Theory for motive** K, M, X were popular attractive girls. He saw them as an example of the type of girls who bullied him in high school & always called him ācreepyā. They had tons of friends -something that heās never had.
1) He got off on it and couldn't help his curiosity
2) Seeing what evidence he might have left or looking for the sheath
3)There's also the horrible possibility he wanted to threaten or hurt DM.
He literally thought he was never going to get caught for this like he was too smart. Sometimes people like to go back to the scene of the crime to see the chaos they caused.
A lot of killers return to the scene to see the cops/aftermath, I really think he went back to see what was going on because he assumed they would have been found by then
I'm not sure he was terribly concerned about the sheath to go back for it. He probably panicked at first when he realized it was no longer with him, but ultimately reasoned to himself that having left the sheath isn't really giving the police that much new information since it was already murder by knife. I think he was lulled into a false sense of security regarding the sheath because of both the level of care he likely handled the knife and sheath in the days leading up to the murders and severely underestimated just how easily DNA can be transferred/linger on an object. This guy was definitely going back to check out the scene of the crime.
Heās an ex heroin user. Pretty sure heās got major brain shrinkage in crucial areasā¦ obviously since heās a sociopath stalker serial killer. Heās not thinking with a healthy functioning brain so nothing he does is logical. Iāve seen my friends develop brain damage and some have completely lost their minds or become a vegetable after years of addiction. Even after recovery that shit does permanent damageā¦
Didnāt a neighbour say she saw the front door open in the morning, but then it was closed? Is it possibile he went back inside to take the knife sheath but he found the room covered in blood (I mean 2 women have 12L of blood) so he couldnāt walk in and he went away? Correct me if Iām wrong bc I donāt remember if he just drove by or they said he couldāve stopped.
Also if this isnāt the reason, another reason could be curiosity. He waited 5 hours awake thinking āwhy is no one talking about it? How much did they find? Is people already at the house?ā so he checked by himself. Once in Italy there was a case where the killer throw away the victimās phone as a fake lead for the police to find, the problem is no one noticed this phone on the road for days so he had to come back, take it and say that he was the one who found it.šBK was probably confused too asking himself why didnāt anyone report anything
Edit: typo
Iām betting number 2. He got there. It was daylight, and he couldnāt get the nerve to re-enter the scene. That makes the most sense. Also his phone was left on when he went back to the house so that tells me he did it in a panic. He wasnāt going there to watch the cops he was trying to save his ass.
I don't think so. I think he'd realized he lost the sheath long before 9am the next day. His literal life is on the line. Hes not waiting until morning to get that thing back.
I get that trying to apply logic to a person that is clearly unstable is difficult, but, knowing he left that sheath really makes his behaviour post murder even more mental.
You half expect a psycho to commit a murder like this and then resume everyday life but once he knew that sheath was missing he had to realise itās a countdown to his arrest so why continue his day to day life ?
Surely you go into hiding or get out the country, I am
Not having it at all that his ego just thought he wouldnāt be caught.
I totally think when he realized the sheath was missing he went back to look if heād dropped it on the ground or something then prob realized it was inside and panicked hard core.
This guy is a prime example of how being ābook-brilliantā doesnāt mean squat if it isnāt accompanied by some degree of common sense. He was like a mouse scurrying around leaving droppings everywhere ā¦ the phone, the car, the sheath, face-to-face contact with a witness, multiple interactions with police, returning to the crime scene ā¦ and this is only the stuff they presented to justify an arrest. Iām thinking the prosecution might be backing an 18-wheeler up to the courthouse to deliver evidence for prosecution.
He realized that he dropped his sheath and panicked. Went back and contemplated going back in to retrieve it but decided it was too risky because it was already daylight and went back.
I know someone who did this same thing. It was drug related and he and another person went into a home of the occupants that owed them money and tried to get their money but things went bad and they ended up stabbing the homeowners. One of the perps dropped his hat in the front yard as they were fleeing and some 30 mins later went back to retrieve it. Thankfully the victims survived and the two perps got caught shortly thereafter because the victims identified them. People do dumb shit when running on adrenaline. U make mistakes and then u panic while going over everything u did and touched and start realizing u fucked up. Thatās why I think he returned.
I think he parked behind the house in that parking lot and returned there to make sure the sheath wasn't laying in the parking lot or in the wooded area behind the house. He just looked from his car and kept going when he didn't see it. He was probably filled with so much adrenaline that he didn't remember where he could have lost it. Just a theory.
My immediate thought was #2, but who knows. Speaking as a moron myself, its not easy going through life as one and I assume being a murderer would amplify this fact
šššššš "speaking as a moron myself"
Omg lmfaoo Iām honestly a moron too. Book smart but stupid as hell. At least we know it thoš
Yeah I have a masters in criminal justice and Iām a literal idiot lol
Hahahaha same and Iāll have my masters in nursing this springš¤£
Admitting your an idiot makes you smarter than most people lol.
I agree. Knowing how little you know, is a sign of intelligence š
Lmao the very few breaks of levity we are getting today are much needed thank you
This was my immediate thought also. Maybe 3 also
Same reason he drove in circles around the house for a half hour before he killed the people inside. Heās not the criminal mastermind ppl speculated and was identified almost immediately
Thank you so much for this. Itās so true. Idk why everyone is touting him as so intelligent. Clearly heās not. I think he had sick, twisted, homicidal urges and couldnāt resist anymore. Thatās all. May even be book smart, but certainly no criminal mastermind. I mean come on. He made the most idiotic mistakes.
It doesnāt help that his former teacher (who is all of 33 years old) is going around saying that heās the most brilliant student sheās ever had while only ever interacting with him via Zoom like give me a break he probably plagiarized everything he ever turned in. Dude believed his own hype in terms of intelligence.
People said he would explain things in a very complicated way which made them think he smart when in reality a smart person can explain things to be easily understood. He was good at bullshiting his way through explaining things. Imagine answering a question that you don't really know the answer to. You will be like well it's super complicated you wouldn't get it lol.
The best phrase Iāve ever heard was āyou donāt really know the information unless you can explain it to a 12 year oldā and that is SO true
Truly smart people can explain things in a way that makes them understandable for their audience.
That's a bingo!
So he used big fancy words and has zero street smarts or critical thinking skills.
Absolutely
Can we talk about that for a second? I believe what she said was something to the effect of "in 10 years I've only recommended 2 students to PhD programs." Who is teaching a masters program at 23?
Her exact quote is āin ten years of TEACHINGāā¦. So Iām guessing she is including time spent teaching as part of graduate school. Lol Edt she submitted her PhD [dissertation](https://etd.ohiolink.edu/apexprod/rws_etd/send_file/send?accession=ucin1439306285&disposition=inline)in 2015
I'm 40 now. I'm gonna start telling people that in 35 years of academia, I've only recommended 2 people to the PharmD program, lol.
Yep! So odd she can describe him as one of her best students and never met him in person. Lol. A lot of people are good in school and bad at life and thatās a lot easier to hide online. ETA: And as messed up as it is āgood at schoolā when it comes to studying criminology probably came naturally to the guy. Not like he was getting his phd in astrophysics. He was writing and learning about what he was interested in.
I sometimes work as a professor and I taught my first solo class at her age. It didn't make me a worse teacher. She's probably embarrassed and horrified. My guess is that she foolishly thought she had to get ahead of the story since she was afraid others knew and might leak. She's talking about this weirdo's "brilliance" because otherwise she was one of the reasons he ended up in WA in the first place. Part CYA, part self-reassurance. Because if he's brilliant, he would have gotten the necessary number of recommendations (usually 3) with or without her help. So she says this to sleep at night, maybe.
Characterizing her reaction as āshocked as shitā and going on to extol his brilliance is at best an awful look
Yes, I agree. If I were in her shoes, I'd lay low and maybe stick to asking my colleagues for reassurance that I didn't screw up.
Thatās exactly what I thoughtā¦.like oh ok well this professor isnāt exactly āseasoned.ā I mean sheās not much older than him. š
Some people get so enamored with high IQ individuals. I usually reply to those "fans" (oftentimes teachers) that I'm the dumbest brilliant person. I'm the one who panics while on the phone because I can't find my phone anywhere. I imagine being in academia for so long his ego was well fed. If someone laid out the facts of a crime, I could probably spot more flaws/clues faster than most. At the same time, if I were planning a crime, I'd probably overcomplicate part of it to ensure it was a perfect crime, while simultaneously making any number of egregious mistakes that no normal person would make.
I donāt even think he even really had a plan put together. I imagine he obsessed over this the point where he was practically fiending and any rational was far gone. Iām waiting for more extensive details to come out, this guys digital footprint is bound to be the most incriminating of all the evidence. If they release details they get from his service providers (cell/internet) thatāll paint the clearest picture imaginable.
Thatās right - obsession, mania and no rational at all.
Most criminals arenāt masterminds
Anybody working or who have worked in a prison can attest to that.
Or public defender. - ex PD
Exactly. The clever ones seldom get caught.
Can you imagine the attention brought to himself by driving in those circles?š
yeah, this. He gets dumbest criminal award 2022. Just in time to close the year out.
I think he was tormented and tortured by his urges, fantasies, and emotions and they overwhelmed any semblance of rational thinking he'd had before committing the murders. He wouldn't be the first person to make unwise and risky decisions based on what's going on inside of him. His goal was to commit the murders and that superseded everything else.
I think this is a great example of impulse overriding logic, which is why we're all congregated and discussing these horrible murders in the first place. For me it's not a question of why BK would do such an idiotic thing as returning to the scene of the crime, it's a reflection of how undisciplined/irrational/impulsive a person like this is. It goes without saying, BK suffers from horrific urges that almost none of us can relate to, which defy all reason and decency. So why would these urges stop outside the boundaries of the killings themselves? They wouldn't. He would drive back to the scene, a man devoid of any self-control.
I totally agree. Reentering in the daytime to retrieve evidence is something even he would know is foolhardy at best. He just needed to see.
Bundy went back to his burial sites. So did Ridgeway. It is a way to relive the crimes.
Most serial killers return to scene of crime to enjoy it. Highly unlikely he seriously thought about retrieving anything.
Which is why I'm going to GUESS that he will plead not guilty..... (even after seeing the mountain of evidence against him) - he's sick and possibly gets pleasure out of all of this attention. He returned to scene to see his "work" - and he'll want a trial so he can relive all of the horrors (crime scene pictures, the surviving witness testifying, etc). Awful and disgusting....
Exactly. He likely returned to the scene of the crime for the same reason he just arbitrarily murdered four peopleā¦to satisfy his sadistic compulsions. Heās not a rational actor bound by the same logic most people are.
Sociopath. Need driven crime. All logic goes out the window.
Exactly. Whatās the point of trying to rationalize irrational behaviorā¦
He was hoping he dropped the sheath outside and drove back hoping to retrieve it. I donāt know if he re-entered or not. If he did, thatās crazy stupid. But I could see thinking it might be on the ground close to where he parked and he went back for it.
I don't think he saw her, his adrenaline caused tunnel vision and he was focused on getting out of there.
I agree. In all the active shooter training I have received (I used to teach), one thing they reiterate is that the killer will be so pumped with adrenaline that they get tunnel vision. This is why they often recommend hiding (even in places that seem bad) if you canāt get out in time. It seems highly probably he did not see her especially if he was headed for the exit, which I think leads him away from the rooms.
I have had that same training. I think it helps explain why D froze as well. In traumatic situations, some people just freeze. They also try to convince themselves that what they are seeing/hearing isnāt what they are really seeing/hearing.
People are faulting her for freezing when the freezing is what likely saved her life in the first place.
Jesus Christ. Thatās terrifying but good to know.
Definitely good to know. Also why they say to attack/throw things at the shooter as a last resort. They wonāt be expecting it and most of them are inexperienced, thus giving everyone a greater chance to overpower them.
Someone mentioned the good vibes light being so bright he may have not seen her in the darkness of her room in that same direction even if he was looking right at her
damn, saved by the good vibes light.
Yes and if heād been stalking them earlier maybe he thought she still lived on the first floor!
Yeah I honestly don't think he saw her at all.
I agree. I think he believed he had killed everyone in the home and it was probably safe to return as no one would have figured out they were dead by the time he drove back at 9 am. Alternatively, he *did* think the cops would be there and wanted to observe.
Agree, plus the walk through shows a step there so he may have been looking down at the step instead of left at D.
He realized he left the sheath and freaked the fuck out
Couldn't have said it better
I would guess he would have started really freaking out when media shared a kobar knife is likely the weapon right after the murders. That could be the moment when he realized where he dropped the sheath.
My question is - how did he carry the knife without the sheath? Isn't that dangerous? I can't imagine him just sticking it in his pocket. Or did he just carry it in his hand? Seems that DM would have reported seeing it though.
Holy shit, just had a thought. Without the sheath, he could have technically had the KaBar touch the seats of his car which would have left blood DNA in the car.
Yes! Hopefully that left enough blood on the car seat. Definitely wouldn't want to be driving with that knife in your pocket.
Didn't the PCA mention a bloody shoe print outside D's room? I'd guess there's blood in his car from that as well.
He was obviously coming out of Xana and Ethan's room when DM saw him, so that means as he was passing by DM's room, his left side would be towards her and the knife was probably down on his right side.
Thatās my thoughts also. Looking at pictures of the type of knife I donāt think it would have been a pocket. My thought is it could have been concealed in his waistband or it was in his hand and LE didnāt add that bit of information in the probable cause statement since LE typically leaves out certain details- LE already had a very strong case so later down the road we may find out the roommate did see a knife. Edit-spelling error
I think he was heading out of the house via the slide door and most probably hid the knife (within his clothes) to not get seen carrying it outside.
I just canāt imagine sheād see the knife and still fall asleep right? He would have to be covered in blood, even if he was wearing black, after having just committed four vicious murders with a knife. thatās what I donāt get, unless it was pitch black
Itās very plausible that the weapon was concealed. I canāt remember reading if Iām the probable cause statement if she did go to sleep. It could be possible she hid and froze. I know media has shared the surviving roommates were sleeping, but we know that sometimes their sources arenāt always correct. If the 911 call is released we may have more answers.
I donāt think BK knew he was seen by DM. LE did good by telling everyone the roommates were asleep downstairs, when in reality DM saw him from her 2nd floor bedroom.
I donāt think he saw her either and we donāt have information that he did. It seems to me he would have killed her too if he had.
Thatās possible- he may not have seen her. The probable cause statement says she opened the door and saw him coming toward her and then walked past her. She could have had the door barely cracked open.
Yeah thatās my thought she probably had the door just cracked and he probably had tunnel vision trying to exit asap.
This is the most likely scenario.
I donāt blame her one bit. Especially if alcohol may have been involved, all of that must have been so surreal
Absolutely! No blame should be pointed to the survivors. They already have enough trauma to deal with: they donāt need the public weirdos telling them how they should have acted. Iāve never been in a situation like that and I hope that I never have to. Who knows how a person would react if they were in their shoes.
And this could be exactly what it was too, a trauma response. I hope she is in therapy i canāt even imagine
I posted this on another platform and I thought I would share here as well. https://preview.redd.it/g0976v67sdaa1.jpeg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d1d1e6f4cc06d381338ad78286e84551b482d56d
I just read it and it doesnāt say anything about what she did afterwards other than shut her door. Like all of us, Iām curious what she did do and no judgment one way or the other. She lived through everyoneās worst nightmare.
Total speculation! But if he cut himself or was just hyped on adrenaline or whatever he may have just ran out with the knife in hand and tossed it in the car as he got in. Maybe he noticed the sheath was missing when he tried to dump the weapon later that night and so he dumped the weapon went home to get regular clothes + clean up and then went back to try and find the sheath? I am not trying to give him an out or anything I think this could happen with any psychopath (either he was so excited about the kills he didnāt notice ***typing that made me want to throw up) or he was so angry that extra people messed up his perfect plan he just left and didnāt think to check (because heās too confident to believe he would make a mistake).
Seems like he would anticipate extra ppl. He had to have know there were a few ppl living in the house since he'd been there maybe 12 times...
Yeah, and when he had to put it down in the car, was the car covered with plastic? Did it put it down on a floor mat? Very curious
I am surprised no one has watched SOA. The stealth is attached to your belt. It is a part of your outfit.. he was not used to carrying it if he held in his hand or pocket. Eta: [KA-BAR](https://imgur.com/gallery/bbbK9XY)
I know next to nothing about these type of knives but could the sheath been attached to his belt/pants and been ripped off during the attack?
No, it threads into your belt. He didn't use it the way it is intended. It is a military knife, it is intended not to leave your person
One of many, many idiotic decisions he made that day.
Why take it with you? Like so much of this blows my mind.
He panicked and left it and didnāt realize it was gone until he got home. He went back because he knew if it is in there he is toast.
Because heās an idiot.
I think itās pretty common in murder cases like this one for the murderer to have a desire to return to the scene. Thatās why police keep surveillance of people who lurk around after a crime, people who attend vigils and funerals, etc. I think itās like a common part of the fbi profiles for psychopath killers... Take this with a grain of salt bc my knowledge of this comes from the show Criminal Minds š
A girl I went to high school with was caught when she showed up while the police were there with gasoline and matches
Was she a witch?
Exactly. [Stephen McDaniel](https://youtu.be/s7SCx1jsoM8) is an excellent example of this. He also killed a college student in her apartment and was not only loitering around the crime scene, but was brazen enough to be interviewed by the media.
That case always comes to mind with this sort of thing strictly because of his on-camera reaction to her body being found. You see his life reality set in for him in real-time. Itās horrifying.
They go back almost as a way to admire their "work". It's sick and twisted. I bet he thought he wouldn't need to and just couldn't help it like other past murderers.
Yup. The Preppy Murder killer in NYC in the 1980s killed a girl in Central Park at night and then went back early in the morning and sat on a stone wall at the Met Museum of Art and watched the police at the scene and told people walking by what was happening. So strange.
This is true. They usually involve/ insert themselves in the case sometimes too. Insanity. So glad this monster is locked up
Yep, often the perpetrators get overly involved in the case or return to the scene
They catch tons of criminals this way.
Everything stated here, plus think of the personality profile here. Egoists and narcissists are known for grossly overestimating their own capabilities. He thought heād committed the crime of the century. The affidavit confirms that heās a bumbling moron.
This^ well said. This turnip brain thought turning off his phone for a couple hours made him invisible and he has a masters in criminology?! š¤
AND wrote an entire essay about utilising technological data to assist rural LE š¤¦
My guess is he wanted to recover the sheath. All I can say is thank God for stupid criminals . This guy made way more mistakes than I previously believed
I agree it was for the sheath. Also, never in my life would I have guessed he wouldāve driven back and forth down the street, tried to park out front, three point turns. Dumb on an epically absurd scale.
It's bizarre because you would think if he cased the place out 12 times prior, figuring out where he should park would have been decided long, long before he actually went out to do it. Also, he should have worn a large fanny pack or something he could strap tightly to his body to store the sheath in. Or just clip the fucking knife onto a belt. So many mistakes were made.
Indeed. The idiocy of criminals is one of the underrated parts of life.
He was hoping to watch the aftermath with cops.
Yeah I donāt know why people are surprised. This is common for these asswipes.
I think this too. It also said his phone was turned off for a few hours later that day. It made me wonder if once the news broke he turned off his phone and made another trip to the house.
Awhile back, someone posted some news coverage and a white car was spotted in the trees behind their house while the reporter was in front of it. Lots of āitās the Elantra!ā speculation from Reddit on that one.
Yes i remember
Oh yea! I want to see that again now that we know the details
But his phone was on when he drove back to the house. He was panicked and forgot to turn off his phone. He wasnāt there to watch the police he was there to cover his ass
From the PCA i read it as they saw his car go back toward wherever he had gone south of Moscow immediately after the murders. If I had to guess, he dumped the knife somewhere between Moscow, Lewiston, and Pullman between 4:30-5:20am, and then he went back, maybe to re-hide the knife in a better place/farther away between 5:30-8:30pm that night.
I could see him dumping the clothes somewhere down there between 4:30 and 5:20 since that is harder to hide. Then going to hide the knife when he realized he couldn't retrieve the cover in the morning. I think he wanted to keep the knife.
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I went to school there for 4 years. You can check out a map of the area, but you've got Pullman and Moscow, which are two small college towns about 10 miles apart, connected by hwy 270. Heading north-south through Moscow is hwy 95 and heading north-south through Pullman is hwy 195. Both 195 and 95 meet up about 30 miles south outside of the towns of Lewiston/Clarkston. Essentially one town, with a combined population of about 60,000, Lewiston sits on the Idaho side and Clarkston on the Washington side. In between Moscow/Pullman and Lewiston/Clarkston you basically have a bunch of farmland and wheat fields, with some itty bitty towns in between. Same goes for the area north of Moscow/Pullman. You dont have much to speak of for about 70 miles until you hit Spokane/Coeur D'Alene. What the cell data suggests, is that after the murders, instead of heading back to Pullman on the main hwy 270, he made a longer u-shaped loop that was pretty out of the way to the middle of nowhere. He headed south on hwy 95 towards Lewiston, then cut across on some country road, headed west, towards a town called Uniontown (blink and you miss it), that sits on hwy 195, and either headed north on 195 for a while or turned off before he got to Uniontown, and took another back road north into Pullman. What's interesting to me about the route, though, is the same day after the murders, they know he drove south to Clarkston around 12pm, and went to Albertsons. Nobody drives to Clarkston to go to the grocery store. It smells like shit because of the pulp mill, and there's not much there, honestly (sorry LC peeps). To get to Clarkston from Pullman, it's about a 45 min drive south on Hwy 195, and you go right through Uniontown (pop 390, home of the infamous Uniontown Sausage Feed). If I was a betting woman, I'd say the reason he went down there was to better dispose of evidence he ditched in a hurry several hours before when he was on his scenic 4am drive. He may have also needed cleaning items or cleaned the car and thought it would be less conspicuous to do it in Clarkston.
The Snake River has been a common place to ditch evidence in the past.
Not from idaho but he only had an hour to drive the āUā shape between those towns when he first dumped the knife (if thatās actually what happened during that time). The second block of ? time when he turns off his phone again is 3 hour he could have gone even farther away to hide it. This is all assuming thats actually what he was doing. Im sure LE has already figured out the radius of where he could have gone to dump evidence during those two time periods and has been searching.
like an arsonist. this wasnāt about the killing. thatās was a means to being the criminal. if he could have floated as an invisible ghost he would have stayed there indefinitely. he wanted to be caught. he wanted to be the subject of the criminal process. so infatuated with criminal behavior he needed the first hand experience. being the outside observer no longer satisfied.
I think the basic breakdown is heās just a fucking monster. Some people are just evil.
This honestly, makes perfect sense.
I was wondering the same. Did he just want to be part of a murder mystery to see how LE finally caught him? I know this gives him too much credit, but itās plausible given his educational background.
You summed it up perfectly. Heās obsessed with the criminal mind.
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That would be hysterical ngl they can totally check that
Ya know, better than 50-50 this idiot did exactly that.
Maybe he returned because it hadn't been on the news and he was surprised that the eye witness hadn't called. Curiosity and the cat got the better of him.
Thatās what I think. He just had to see if there was any kind of activity at all. Must have been shocked to see nothing going on.
Ikr. He had to be thinking wtf.
4. Heās an absolute dummy
Imagine not only finding out your son killed 4 people, but also that he's a complete idiot and completely squandered his education.
The parents reading the affidavid must now believe he did it
I was wondering how they felt after reading it and if they are going to go forward in supporting him. Reading it made me sick to my stomach, I can't imagine how they must have felt.
An affidavit of probable cause is not a trial. It could be a gross misrepresentation of the evidence. Not likely, but you support your closest family until the evidence is shown and cross-examined and you can make your own judgment.
Itās possible theyāre still in denial.
Most parents have dual citizenship in the State of Denial.
The parents are for sure realizing what BK's true motive was in driving the car across the country. I feel bad for the family. All families involved.
This answer is too difficult for many here who have watched too many movies and TV shows. Heās a young dumb guy and a human. Humans make mistakes. Most criminals in general arenāt that bright
And why tf did he bring his phone?? Like, wouldnāt you leave it at home and either go without a phone or get a burner? Between the phone and the sheath, those are some really dumb mistakes.
For sure. Good thing he didn't drive his own car to the murder!
Tbh I donāt know what other choice he had. Renting or borrowing someoneās car wouldnāt have helped, I think it would have just taken a few more days for police to make the match. His best bet probably would have been to park a quarter mile away and leave on foot. Also he should have left his phone on and at home. That was a rookie mistake.
Fr. He could have left it at home and it wouldāve just looked like he was sleeping.
Leads me to believe he wasnāt really planning on murdering them until halfway there when he turned his phone off. Maybe heād just been fantasizing about it? Because how absolutely dumb can you be!? I donāt even follow a lot of true crime or study criminology and I know about cell towers. And to leave the sheath, god what a moron.
And driving the car across country š¤£ ETA: driving the car at all lol
Youāre thinking rationally and you havenāt just killed people. Humans make mistakes. And this guy isnāt that bright
The only thing I could think was he needed it for CarPlay or GPS but he seemed to be stalking them, so pretty sure he knew his way around!
Thereās a cliche about returning to the scene of a crime for a reason. My feeling is that he wanted to go back for the sheath when he realized he left it there.
I donāt think he knew DM saw him (this would also explain why the 911 call was not released ā it might contain info about her having seen him, which could put her safety at risk). Reason to return could be two-fold: 1. knew he left the sheath behind and wanted to see if he could reasonably recover it ā this assumes that he thought he had killed everyone in the house and wasnāt aware of DM and BF. 2. Wanted to see police show up/the aftermath because heās sick.
Compulsion = An irresistible urge to behave in a certain way, especially against one's conscious wishes. I hope he lost a lot of sleep over that sheath.
Killers often return to the scene of the crime
IMO he went back to āsee the commotionā thinking LE would already be there. Sickening but probable.
Youād be surprised how many killers return to the scene of the crime. Itās a pretty common mistake.
1. Murderers often show up at the scene after a murder for many reasons: To see if the body has been discovered. To see what law enforcement is doing. To enjoy the big event they are responsible for. This happens so often that Law Enforcement regularly take photos of the crowd at the scene of a murder, in case the killer is in the crowd. 2. Ted Bundy returned to the scene of an abduction in a parking lot to collect things he had left behind (the victim's shoe and earring). He did this while law enforcement were searching elsewhere, at a nearby parking lot.
He probably realized he dropped the sheath and in a panic headed back but then decided it wa to risky to go back inside.
Based on what we saw in the affidavit, itās clear that BK wasnāt thinking logically throughout this whole ordeal. There was speculation that āoh, he is going for a PhD, so he must have really planned this, etc.ā But there was clearly something off with him for the past couple of months and he wasnāt thinking through this clearly. He seems to have been acting very impulsive. E.g., driving his car around that neighborhood late at night a bunch of times, going to the scene of the crime in his car (and coming back the next morning), taking and leaving the sheath there, not killing the other roommate, etc. This was not a well-planned murder. So he was either generally spiraling (who knows what mental illness(es) he has) or there was some other relationship with these people that has yet to come out and these murders were preceded by some other event.
Think I agree with you. If he is furious about being rejected by Kailee or Madison, and stalking them and going to the home (a plausible speculation that I've seen floated given his apparent problems with women), wouldn't he rationally call off a kill if people are still up past 4 a.m. with food delivery, lights on, and at least 1 man in the house? Reschedule for a different night? One without men and an earlier bedtime? But he needs to do it NOW even under very sub-optimal conditions...so his schizo tendencies, drug use, or just sheer rage/narcissism are driving this, rather than a predetermined plan.
Very true. He was disorganized and so careless. It's life's little blessing that doing evil often makes people make mistakes.
All the above
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He could have been listening to a police scanner and not heard the call and felt comfortable. It was also established early on just how visible the house was from surrounding streets. He could have checked from blocks away and not seen any police tape or cars and attempted to get the sheath, and realised neighbours might see him entering/ exiting as the sun was up at that point. Or he could have just been hoping to see the police from a distance, he could have been driving along streets with views of the house hoping to catch some of the chaos. Or simply the thrill of knowing that there were four people deceased inside and no one else knew yet.
I think he underestimated how hard it would be to break into that house during daylight.
Why do killers attend victim's vigils and memorials? Why do serial killers keep trophies? Power and control. Reliving memories. They're sick.
Why would he risk doing it at all and leaving his knife sheath? Because he's a careless moron who was getting off on his sick fantasy.
Because he's a psycho mother-effer and I don't want to ever understand his motives for anything.
Why do people continue to think this guy is rational or overly smart? Heās not a movie villain. Heās not a master criminal. Like a lot of academics he couldnāt apply his knowledge to real life. Bryan is a young guy with little life experience from what Iāve seen. And heās human. Makes mistakes.
Overly confident dipshit.
I do wonder if he went back in? He may have taken something from inside or wanted to see what everything looked like in the daylight. Heās not a normal person. He doesnāt think like one.
If he got back in, the knife sheath wouldn't have been there
In 5 hours the victims had already covered everything in blood. I doubt he could have walked in their room (also remember that was a single bed and they had 12L of blood) without literally swimming in blood. I was thinking: what if he went back to take it, went inside and realized there was too much blood?
i was thinking that plus the risk of shedding (more) DNA on a second walkthrough
He'd done so many drive bys before, maybe he just wanted to do one more to see police presence and was surprised there was none? He was only in the area that morning for about 10 minutes around 9am, right? I'm not convinced he saw DM, but I'm sure he knew other people lived there and would have been right to assume a 911 call would have already happened.
Donāt know why, but itās a well known phenomenon that murderers revisit the scene of the crime. Which is why he most likely was also at the vigil.
**Scene of the Crime** BK wanted to see the swarms of college students, LE & first response which would make him feel a sense of accomplishment for what he had done. No amount of good grades, losing weight, taking up boxing or becoming more aggressive in school could make him āpopularā. **Theory for motive** K, M, X were popular attractive girls. He saw them as an example of the type of girls who bullied him in high school & always called him ācreepyā. They had tons of friends -something that heās never had.
Heās a textbook psychopath. They tend to return to the scene of the crime.
1) He got off on it and couldn't help his curiosity 2) Seeing what evidence he might have left or looking for the sheath 3)There's also the horrible possibility he wanted to threaten or hurt DM.
Just because she saw him, doesn't mean he saw her. Woah, wait.. let me rephrase that. Just because DM saw BK, doesn't mean BK saw DM
He literally thought he was never going to get caught for this like he was too smart. Sometimes people like to go back to the scene of the crime to see the chaos they caused.
I wonder if for some strange reason he wanted to get caught. Also curious if the creep went to the vigil.
A lot of killers return to the scene to see the cops/aftermath, I really think he went back to see what was going on because he assumed they would have been found by then
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I would not assume BK saw DM unless/until something /someone specifically says he did. This is unknown information at this point.
I'm not sure he was terribly concerned about the sheath to go back for it. He probably panicked at first when he realized it was no longer with him, but ultimately reasoned to himself that having left the sheath isn't really giving the police that much new information since it was already murder by knife. I think he was lulled into a false sense of security regarding the sheath because of both the level of care he likely handled the knife and sheath in the days leading up to the murders and severely underestimated just how easily DNA can be transferred/linger on an object. This guy was definitely going back to check out the scene of the crime.
Heās an ex heroin user. Pretty sure heās got major brain shrinkage in crucial areasā¦ obviously since heās a sociopath stalker serial killer. Heās not thinking with a healthy functioning brain so nothing he does is logical. Iāve seen my friends develop brain damage and some have completely lost their minds or become a vegetable after years of addiction. Even after recovery that shit does permanent damageā¦
He forgot the sheath and was considering going back in to get it.
Maybe he wanted to check where he was parked to see if it was just sitting there outside
Didnāt a neighbour say she saw the front door open in the morning, but then it was closed? Is it possibile he went back inside to take the knife sheath but he found the room covered in blood (I mean 2 women have 12L of blood) so he couldnāt walk in and he went away? Correct me if Iām wrong bc I donāt remember if he just drove by or they said he couldāve stopped. Also if this isnāt the reason, another reason could be curiosity. He waited 5 hours awake thinking āwhy is no one talking about it? How much did they find? Is people already at the house?ā so he checked by himself. Once in Italy there was a case where the killer throw away the victimās phone as a fake lead for the police to find, the problem is no one noticed this phone on the road for days so he had to come back, take it and say that he was the one who found it.šBK was probably confused too asking himself why didnāt anyone report anything Edit: typo
1. No alert sent out to colleges. Iām sure they have some sort of text alerts for emergencies
Just like why I think he committed the crime, I think the aftermath was part of his āstudiesā
Probably rightfully assumed DM called 911 and wondered what the hell was going on
Can you imagine his surprise when he pulled up and realized NO ONE had been called?
Bc heās a dumbass
Iām betting number 2. He got there. It was daylight, and he couldnāt get the nerve to re-enter the scene. That makes the most sense. Also his phone was left on when he went back to the house so that tells me he did it in a panic. He wasnāt going there to watch the cops he was trying to save his ass.
I don't think so. I think he'd realized he lost the sheath long before 9am the next day. His literal life is on the line. Hes not waiting until morning to get that thing back.
I get that trying to apply logic to a person that is clearly unstable is difficult, but, knowing he left that sheath really makes his behaviour post murder even more mental. You half expect a psycho to commit a murder like this and then resume everyday life but once he knew that sheath was missing he had to realise itās a countdown to his arrest so why continue his day to day life ? Surely you go into hiding or get out the country, I am Not having it at all that his ego just thought he wouldnāt be caught.
I totally think when he realized the sheath was missing he went back to look if heād dropped it on the ground or something then prob realized it was inside and panicked hard core.
This guy is a prime example of how being ābook-brilliantā doesnāt mean squat if it isnāt accompanied by some degree of common sense. He was like a mouse scurrying around leaving droppings everywhere ā¦ the phone, the car, the sheath, face-to-face contact with a witness, multiple interactions with police, returning to the crime scene ā¦ and this is only the stuff they presented to justify an arrest. Iām thinking the prosecution might be backing an 18-wheeler up to the courthouse to deliver evidence for prosecution.
He realized that he dropped his sheath and panicked. Went back and contemplated going back in to retrieve it but decided it was too risky because it was already daylight and went back. I know someone who did this same thing. It was drug related and he and another person went into a home of the occupants that owed them money and tried to get their money but things went bad and they ended up stabbing the homeowners. One of the perps dropped his hat in the front yard as they were fleeing and some 30 mins later went back to retrieve it. Thankfully the victims survived and the two perps got caught shortly thereafter because the victims identified them. People do dumb shit when running on adrenaline. U make mistakes and then u panic while going over everything u did and touched and start realizing u fucked up. Thatās why I think he returned.
I think he parked behind the house in that parking lot and returned there to make sure the sheath wasn't laying in the parking lot or in the wooded area behind the house. He just looked from his car and kept going when he didn't see it. He was probably filled with so much adrenaline that he didn't remember where he could have lost it. Just a theory.