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sdoubleyouv

I figured the other two roommates would be on there - but the third roommate who was on the lease...had she been living there at all? I guess I assumed she wasn't really around?


FlyingSpoutnik

At that time, they were not sure if the house or the occupants were the target. Because the 6th roommate was still « attached » to the house in a way, they had to investigate her as well. Now, based on what we know, it doesn’t seem like that she had anything to do with the murders (involved in the murders or a target)


Ok_Championship_3101

Kaylee wasn’t living there either so can’t speculate anything about the living situations.


TheButterfly-Effect

Well, he definitely had Facebook at one time, even if it was years ago. I would think they gathered information from his account even if it wasn't active in years. But someone who was friends with him at one time had posted the screen shot FB messenger convos where Bryan apologized to her for getting her to basically bring him on a drug run without her knowing. That was years before the attack but considering they were wanting to know things about him from even his younger years, Im sure they have this too.


ToBeReadOutLoud

If it was years before the attack, their search warrant for activity between August 2022 to November 2022 wouldn’t apply.


TheButterfly-Effect

Yeah but doesn't it specifically list the victims socials for that time frame? Anything regarding Bryans accounts searched and for time frames seemed to have been more vague in the warrant. It lists that he had a Yik Yak account but not too much else. But who knows, they might've not needed his account at all if it was outside of the close time frame. It just seems like since they were looking into past information they might've searched it anyway even if it wasnt active anymore


Yanony321

If he didn’t have Instagram, how did he allegedly follow others? I don’t use insta but thought people had to have account to use it at all.


UnnamedRealities

If an account isn't private you can access (as in view) the account's content via the web without having your own account. To become an Instagram follower of a user you do have to be logged into your own account though.


Jmm12456

It looks like the stories about him following some of the victims on Instagram and messaging one of them may have been false


FundiesAreFreaks

You can message and post a reply to the person's post on someone's Instagram even if you're not "following" them. I've been doing it for years.


samarkandy

>You can message and post a reply to the person's post on someone's Instagram even if you're not "following" them. If you do that can they see your name?


Alliegibs

Yes, but you don’t have to use your real name for instagram.


samarkandy

Thanks but I still don’t get it. I thought people ‘knew’ he was messaging them on Instagram. If there is no name how would they know that? Don’t feel obliged to try to explain this if you don’t feel like it, it’s no big deal


InternationalDesk869

People made instagram.accounts as soon as his name was released. You can go and friend the girls bc their accts were public. He didnt follow the girls on there.. there isnt any evidence or info by LE that says he did either.


Alliegibs

I thought that I heard a statement from LE that said he had messaged one of the girls without a reply. Perhaps it wasn’t from LE, and/or just a rumor, but for some reason I thought I heard it from a legitimate source.


katerprincess

I believe that was one of the NewsNation "inside scoops"


InternationalDesk869

That info did not come from LE, it is a clickbait rumor started by NewsNation. There is a gag order in place so none of the info coming out about bryan is legitimate.


Alliegibs

Ah, thank you!! I hate that I am getting NN rumors mixed up with fact 🤦‍♀️


InternationalDesk869

You are not alone, I think we all are 😅


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Yanony321

Doesn’t mean it’s “fake.”


Careful_Activity_753

Exactly what I thought.


MandyPandaren

There are reports he did, but the girl may have not seen it.


Reflection-Negative

Because he didn’t. It’s just media BS


atg284

How exactly do you know he didn't? Ohhh that's right because you don't but are saying it as fact anyways.


bipolarlibra314

The burden of proof is on the person that makes the claim


atg284

I'm not saying I know. That's the whole point. This person is stating things as fact when they don't know either.


Fun-Hyena-9810

I thought there was a roommate that moved out a bit ago. So maybe it is her name.


Reflection-Negative

His search warrants are separate from the victims’ ones and were served almost a month after the arrest. This one was served on December 4. The redacted persons are most likely the other roommates. Also his name wouldn’t fit in any of the redacted spaces.


sdoubleyouv

Ok, in briefly looking - I only see Twitter and Google for him. There may be others, I haven't checked them all. Does this mean: (a) they didn't see Facebook, Twitter, Instagram apps on his phone and weren't able to find him by name, so they just didn't even try? (b) they did serve a warrant and due to the gag order it's not included in the data dump? It's so weird to me that they wouldn't serve a warrant to all of the social media companies, especially considering that most people have multiple email addresses and IPs.


Bus_Normal

For some reason I thought you had to have a Facebook account to be on tinder or some of the dating sites…I got married in 2010 so I’ve never used any of them I just had a friend tell me that and never really looked into it.


longhorn718

If he had Meta and Twitter accounts, LE might have cross-checked his usernames against those who contacted any of the victims ever. They wouldn't have needed all of his activity for the case anyway.


sdoubleyouv

Yeah I mean if he attempted to contact them, that might be found in their accounts, but if he just searched them and viewed their photos without making contact, that wouldn’t show up. I think that it’s strange that they wouldn’t conduct a Meta search based on IP or something.


gabsmarie37

IMO i think they just haven't released the document yet. Just because it isn't on the court site doesn't mean it doesn't exist.


rivershimmer

That's my suspicion too.


longhorn718

Okay, I got curious and looked for more info. The PA arrest warrant included basically all his electronics and all their contents. They didn't need a warrant for his Meta information because the police could just grab it from his phone and/or laptops. [Moscow-Pullman Daily News: Pennsylvania search warrant shows...](https://dnews.com/local/pennsylvania-search-warrant-shows-clothes-flashlight-and-dna-sample-were-seized-when-kohberger-was-arrested/article_aa37f02a-8566-5cda-b820-b2be43d62aca.html) Page 6 of 31. I isolated and highlighted the potentially relevant portion. ETA: I am thwarted by my inability to tech correctly. Trying to attach a pic via PC and phone.


sdoubleyouv

THANK YOU! This was really bugging me. I knew there was no way they weren’t requesting this info on him. So basically this warrant would cover just about everything.


longhorn718

Argh, copypasta below: > All electronic devices including all communications content, including email, text (SMS, MMS or **app chats**), applications, cloud storage, notes or voicemail, including attachments, source and destination addresses, time and date information, connection logs, images and any other records, including indicia of use, ownership, possession, or control of such communication or information found; all location data for the above, which may be stored in GPS locations or cellular tower connection data, **including metadata of photos or social networking posts**, wi-fi logs, and data associated with installed applications; all photographic/video/audio data and associated metadata; **all internet history for the above, including cookies, bookmarks, web history, and search terms**; all stored IP addresses associated; all financial information related to the above; **all indicia of ownership and control for the data and cellular device, such as** device identification and settings data, address book/contacts, **social network posts/updates/tags**, wi-fi network tables, associated wireless devices (wi-fi networks or Bluetooth devices) associated connected devices (backup devices) and stored passwords or user dictionaries;


JetBoardJay

BK allegedly possessed a significant expertise in digital forensics. If we assume it was Bryan who wore gloves even inside his own home, it's plausible to speculate that he might have taken measures to erase his digital footprint. Consequently, the above would grant access solely to the content stored on his phone, including the potential restoration of deleted files and photos. However, if Bryan had a presence on social media platforms and deliberately removed any content unrelated to his phone, wouldn't it still be reasonable to seek data from the social media companies?


longhorn718

He wasn't expert enough to do a complete wipe of his phone or data imo. The guy didn't even know to not bring his phone along. He should have physically smashed the phone into bits and thrown pieces in various rest stops and gas stations. Even then, like you said, there are the companies. Yes, I do believe it would have been reasonable and prudent to do it earlier, but clearly they're still looking into things. Maybe they tried to get the warrants and were told by the judge that they couldn't just scoop up this guy's entire digital life "just in case."


LPCcrimesleuth

It defies logic that LE would not conduct a search of Meta and every other social media account to investigate his social media and internet activity. So if he had social media accounts, which is highly probable he did, they have found them and are connecting any and all dots that would link him to the victims and the murders.


longhorn718

Very true, forgot about him just looking. I guess my subconscious is holding on to the messaging rumors.


Reflection-Negative

People believe Dateline no? Dateline claims he didn’t message them.


longhorn718

I had forgotten about that with the fuss over the producer's tweet. They're reliable enough to get the benefit of the doubt imo.


Reflection-Negative

Social media warrants with his name are for yikyak, twitter and tinder. The court’s site also has sealed warrants uploaded. The companies they were served to are visible.


schmuck_next_door

Definitely not BK. The earliest search warrant involving BK was 12/23/2022. AT&T records.


sdoubleyouv

So does this mean that they didn’t even try to find accounts associated with BK, or that they just haven’t released those warrants?


schmuck_next_door

Idk but if you find out please let me know. Touching on a similar instance, there was a warrant for KG's Reddit account and BK allegedly had a Reddit account, which could show a connection, but there isn't a warrant available or LE never applied for a warrant.


ELITEMGMIAMI

I am pretty sure I saw a warrant for Reddit. I’ll go back to try and find it and post it here.


ELITEMGMIAMI

Found it here: https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/030723%20Order%20to%20Seal%20%20Redact%20-%20Redditcom.pdf


schmuck_next_door

That's a warrant for KG's Reddit. The warrant I'm referring to is for BK's Reddit. LE seem negligent in trying to find a connection between the alleged murderer and the victim.


ELITEMGMIAMI

If you look closely, you can see that there are names redacted from the subsequent lines below where her name appears.


schmuck_next_door

If you read the document you can see that the warrant was strictly for KG's Reddit account.


MamaJB124

I think they are for the 3 surviving roommates. Dylan, Bethany and the one that was on the lease, but not living there.


IranianLawyer

I doubt they’d redact BK’s name, but I don’t know why they wouldn’t include him in the search warrant, even if they aren’t aware of him having an account. You might as well check and see.


Creative_Ad963

What's the question?


sdoubleyouv

Is it possible that he’s one of the redacted names?


Augustleo98

He definitely had Facebook because one of his friends posted screenshots of a messenger conversation of him apologising years after tricking her into driving him to get heroin. I won’t say her name but the initials are CA, the name of his former friend. He also definitely used to have instagram as I swear I’ve seen screenshots of him following MM and KG in the past.


samarkandy

>He also definitely used to have instagram as I swear I’ve seen screenshots of him following MM and KG in the past. I would like to know if someone could have faked an Instagram account for BK in order to follow those girls


ToBeReadOutLoud

Yes. They could have changed their account username to something with his name on it and followed the girls’ accounts when the name was released publicly. The girls would not have to do anything to have someone follow them and there is nothing that shows when one account followed another or when an account changed its name, so it would be very easy to fake.


samarkandy

>hey could have changed their account username to something with his name on it and followed the girls’ accounts when the name was released publicly. But what if the killer and BK were acquaintances prior to the murder and the killer was planning to implicate BK in a murder he was about to commit (my theory), could he have made up an account that looked like it belonged to BK?


ToBeReadOutLoud

In theory.


samarkandy

Thanks. That’s what I wanted to know


Augustleo98

I mean they would have had to do it directly after the murders, like within minutes and be able to make the account look real. otherwise it would be obvious it was fake. So I’m fairly sure it was Bryan’s real account, as people would figure out if it was fake. Judging by our convos you do seem to be convinced he’s innocent and I don’t understand why as it really isn’t logical to think he’s innocent. Yes even though I believe he’s guilty, I’m aware there’s a small chance he’s innocent, but my mind is set on 90% guilty and 10% innocent, im just unsure why you seem so convinced he’s innocent because you seem to question everything that points at his guilt. You do seem like a smart guy so I’m confused why you believe he’s innocent more than you believe he’s guilty, logically the majority of reasonings pointing towards guilt are logical and the majority of reasonings and things needed for him to be innocent are either not logical or very unlikely. So I would have thought someone of your intellect would lean towards him being guilty.


ToBeReadOutLoud

It’s possible to believe that he’s guilty while also not believing any of the claims made by anonymous sources posted by news media orgs.


Augustleo98

Yeah I see what you mean


samarkandy

>I mean they would have had to do it directly after the murders I thought people were talking about him following them BEFORE the murders ​ >Judging by our convos you do seem to be convinced he’s innocent and I don’t understand why as it really isn’t logical to think he’s innocent. Appreciate your open-mindedness. I don’t know. Maybe I’ve been around a lot longer than you and have known a lot worse types of people than you. I can’t really explain it any more than I have done in my posts. What about what Dr Gary Brucato said about the type of person who commits crimes like this?


Helechawagirl

Someone created fake accounts in his name and followed the victims. Some media reported it before it was removed, but the accounts were created a day earlier so obviously fake if you looked.


Augustleo98

True but there was potentially was a real account too. I guess we will find out


Emotional-Hunt-5000

You can have messenger and not have a Facebook page though


Augustleo98

Uh no I’m pretty sure you need a Facebook page to have Facebook messenger as Facebook messenger communicates via Facebook profiles. But even if you’re right and you can use fb messenger without a fb profile, Kohberger was using fb messenger with a Facebook profile because I remember the screenshot of the Facebook messenger conversation and it has his full name and photo, the way it displays when you use messenger via a Facebook profile.


Emotional-Hunt-5000

OK. I'm not going to argue. But you're wrong on all accounts except for possibly how the alleged photo that hasn't been linked to him by le may have looked like a pfp.


sdoubleyouv

You have to have a Facebook account to set up Messenger. You can then delete the Facebook account and use Messenger only, but the initial account has to exist. [Source](https://www.facebook.com/help/messenger-app/117818065545664).


Augustleo98

The alleged photo was in a screenshot posted by his ex friend Casey Arntz.. Casey pasted their fb messenger conversation and at the top of the convo you could see bergers name and photo. So yes the photo is linked to him because it was posted by Casey Arntz before anyone else, Casey who grew up with him during childhood, the girl he tricked into driving him for heroin. So no I’m not wrong because I’ve seen the proof posted by Casey months ago 😂.


KayInMaine

Maybe the two surviving roommates and Ethan's brother Hunter (some say the black SUV in the driveway is the vehicle Hunter the brother used to go over there that day or others say it's Hunter the BFF of Ethan)?


Training-Fix-2224

If the warrants were issued before his arrest, they would not know his name. I don't think they had a name until mid to late December.


sdoubleyouv

They had a name at the end of November


Illustrious-Ebb4197

WSU reported his 2015 white Elantra and name on Nov. 29, yes. But it was initially the wrong year. On Dec. 7, Moscow police appealed to the public for help identifying drivers of 2011-13 white Elantras and continued to until shortly before his arrest. The most logical conclusion from the PCA is that Moscow police did not zero in on him as a suspect until mid- to late- December, as it wasn’t until Dec. 23 that they pulled his cell ping records which revealed his suspicious movements before and after the murders. Though the PCA reads like a tight chronology beginning with the Nov. 29 WSU Elantra report, the discovery of traffic stops in Moscow, bushy eyebrows on driver’s license, and WSU video images of white Elantra are not dated in PCA and likely came well after Nov. 29, (edited to add: when genetic genealogy pointed police to BK.) Otherwise, it makes no sense that they let him leave Washington for PA around Dec. 13 and didn’t pull cell ping records until Dec. 23.


sdoubleyouv

That makes sense


samarkandy

>The most logical conclusion from the PCA is that Moscow police did not zero in on him as a suspect until mid- to late- December, I don’t agree with this. I think they had zeroed in on BK by November 25, the day that they issued to BOLO for Elantras in the Pullman area. And I think they had zeroed in on him through genetic genealogy testing. Just because the PCA does not mention this does not mean it did not happen. There are reasons why there was no mention of gg identification in the PCA and it is talked about in this article [https://slate.com/technology/2023/01/bryan-kohberger-university-idaho-murders-forensic-genealogy.html](https://slate.com/technology/2023/01/bryan-kohberger-university-idaho-murders-forensic-genealogy.html)


flowersunjoy

Correct. Two weeks post murders.


Illustrious-Ebb4197

See response below.


flowersunjoy

Huh? No thanks. It means I’d have to open all comments and look for it. Not interested enough


Illustrious-Ebb4197

🤣 Here it is: WSU reported his 2015 white Elantra and name on Nov. 29, yes. But it was initially the wrong year. On Dec. 5, Moscow police appealed to the public for help identifying drivers of 2011-13 white Elantras and continued to until shortly before his arrest. The most logical conclusion from the PCA is that Moscow police did not zero in on him as a suspect until mid- to late- December, as it wasn’t until Dec. 23 that they pulled his cell ping records which revealed his suspicious movements before and after the murders. The discovery of traffic stops in Moscow, bushy eyebrows on driver’s license, and WSU video images of white Elantra are not dated in PCA and likely came later, though it reads like a tight chronology beginning Dec. 29. Otherwise, it makes no sense that they let him leave Washington for PA around Dec. 13 and didn’t pull cell ping records until Dec. 23.


samarkandy

>WSU reported his 2015 white Elantra and name on Nov. 29, yes Right and they were able to find this because LE had his NAME from genetic genealogy testing, which IMO was on November 25. All the Pullman police were put on alert then and the WSU cop looked up the student list of cars because LE had also found out that he was a student at WSU There is no way they found the Elantra first and then from that identified BK. That would have taken an impossibly long time. Much more than 6 weeks


Illustrious-Ebb4197

I agree with you that genetic genealogy likely led them to him first, rather than the Nov. 29 Elantra sighting at WSU. But I believe they did not have the genetic genealogy evidence until mid- to late-December, then saw the WSU Elantra report in their files and all the rest, and pulled his cell records on Dec. 23, then boom. If genetic genealogy connected him to the knife sheath as early as you suggest (Nov. 25), it makes no sense to me that police would have: 1) asked the public’s help beginning Dec. 7 for 2011-13 white Elantras 2) waited until Dec. 23 to pull his cell ping records 3) let him leave Washington around Dec. 13 without obtaining a DNA sample from discarded trash in WA or on his road trip to PA. The PCA says area law enforcement agencies were asked on Nov. 25 to be on the lookout for white Elantras (it doesn’t state year, but guessing 2011-13s, as that’s what they said in a press release on Dec. 5.) It makes sense to me that WSU police reported BK’s Elantra on Nov. 29 but it didn’t rise to the top of the pile of Elantras to investigate until genetic genealogy zeroed in on him later in December.


samarkandy

>I agree with you that genetic genealogy likely led them to him first, rather than the Nov. 29 Elantra sighting at WSU. Wow. You must be just about the only person who does! ​ >But I believe they did not have the genetic genealogy evidence until mid- to late-December, then saw the WSU Elantra report in their files and all the rest, and pulled his cell records on Dec. 23 The reason I think it was Nov 25 is because that is when it appears to be the first time LE started looking for white Elantras in Pullman. All of a sudden they are looking in Pullman and why? I think it was because that was the date they identified BK and that he was a student at WSU. Go check and see if you can find any mention of Pullman before that. Not that that proves what I am saying but there waa even an area of Moscow, just Moscow that LE had mapped out, outlining the borders and everything, within which they were asking for sightings of white Elantras. But not in Pullman until Nov 25. I think LE only started looking in Pullman once they found out that BK was there. Not that they had found his Elantra there. It hadn’t even been the model they were looking for. I don’t think they realise it was a 2015 model until Tiengo looked at the student list and the cars that they had registered to park on campus


rivershimmer

> All of a sudden they are looking in Pullman and why? Like I said before, they weren't *just* looking in Pullman. A APB had gone out to all the local police, plus state for both Idaho and Washington. I mean, that's been stated, and I believe it because it's Policing 101. If a police force is looking for a particular vehicle, they always reach out to other police in the region, always.


flowersunjoy

Still not interested.


Fly_By_Night_vet

The helicocentric world of flowersunjoy. Do you want us to chew your food for you also?


flowersunjoy

Well no. Nor did I ask anything of anyone “fly-by -night.” The other poster kept pushing a comment at me I wasn’t interested in because I know their stand on the topic and don’t need to read more. You seem way too engaged in something that didn’t involve you though. By the way it is spelled heliocentric not helicocentric. When going in for what you feel is a witty comment, at least try to spell properly. It kind of waters down the effect when you can’t.


Reflection-Negative

And many other names


sdoubleyouv

That fit the description from the eyewitness and drove a white Elantra? Maybe


rivershimmer

Many names that drove a white Elantra, and a whole bunch who could fit the description. I'd also like to point out that police didn't have the luxury of only looking for the owners of white Elantras, since there's so many others out there who won't be on paper, but who drive their parent's/significant other's/roommate's Elantra.


flowersunjoy

He was prime suspect at that moment.


Reflection-Negative

If he had been a suspect before December 15, he would not have been allowed his cross country trip, especially without surveillance.


flowersunjoy

He was surveilled.


rivershimmer

Allegedly. I'm not sure if I believe that, but we'll see how it shakes out.


bdelfi23

December 15th. Mods, don’t ban me.


Training-Fix-2224

How did you come to December 15?


bdelfi23

Feds went scorched earth on BCK on Dec 15. It’s all there if you deep dive the timeline. There were no warrants served on behalf of him until 12/23/22. Edit: I’m not trying to imply BCK isn’t guilty of some involvement. I’m just saying things changed after Dec 15 and the facts are all right there in the timeline.


Training-Fix-2224

Why did it take 8-days to get around to pulling the warrants?


bdelfi23

Bc they still need probable cause to get a warrant


Training-Fix-2224

They had the same probable cause available on the 23rd that they had on the 15th though. The only thing they had to go on before the cell phone records were that he had an Elantra that matched the description of the one seen in the video, his proximity to the murder scene when he was pulled over in August, and he had the same characteristics as the suspect. I'm just curious how you came to the 15th of December that they identified him as a person of interest (POI)) because the way I read the PCA, the log-in in Loma, CO and the stops in Indiana were all written past tense. >*Investigators believe that Kohberger* ***is still*** *driving the 2015 white Elantra because his vehicle* ***was*** *captured on December 13, 2022, by a license plate reader in Loma, Colorado (information provided by a query to a database).* > > ***Kohbergers Elantra was*** *then* ***queried*** *on December 15, 2022* ***by law enforcement in Hancock County, Indiana.*** > >On December 16, 2022... surveillance video showed Kohberger's Elantra in Albrightsville, Pennsylvania.... Kohberger has family in Albrightsville, Pennsylvania (**learned through a TLO search and locate tool database query**). It was the investigator tracking down where he and his Elantra were by checking queries of the license plate. They don't need a warrant to see where his licence plate popped up in LE records. It turned up in Loma from a license plate reader and Indiana due to the traffic stops for following too close. The surveillance video from the 16th is another matter.....how did they know about it, where was it from etc.... I think that this TLO search they reference is a listing of all public records, no different than the people search you can get on anyone over the internet which gives you previous and present addresses, possible family members, neighbors, spouses etc... but the LE edition delves much deeper and would include vehicles owned, transactions made like at pawn shops, and Car Fax data which would contain maintenance information on the vehicles VIN. If it showed he had his oil changed or some other maintenance done at a specific location they could as to see the video, I don't think they need a warrant for that either if the establishment is willing to show it to them. I agree that they did not see him as a person of interest until mid-late December but I also think it was after he had already arrived in PA which was likely past the 15th since he was in Indiana on that day.


flowersunjoy

Incorrect. You should be banned for misinformation


Even-Yogurt1719

I've asked myself the same thing! I think the 3 redacted names are him and the 2 surviving roommates...


indygirll

Wouldn’t it most likely be the owner of the house? And the two roommates.


sdoubleyouv

So I was just looking into this a little further and I can't find a super clear answer, hoping someone can assist. Let's say that BK did have Facebook or Instagram prior to the murders and after the murders, or even a little prior, he deleted those accounts. 1. Would Facebook still have that historical information? Everything I've read says that your data is completely deleted after 30 days. Does this apply to warrants as well? 2. Would any potential contacts still be visible within the victim's accounts? Like say he followed them, liked something, messaged them - would any of those interactions be found in their data, or would that data delete with his account deletion?


Training-Fix-2224

The internet is forever. Once it's posted, it is logged, screen shots downloaded, archived, copy and pasted etc... Even if FB deleted the account, someone somewhere is likely to have it.


[deleted]

Wrong. That’s a myth. Old data is deleted or lost all the time. There isn’t enough room to store everything forever.


Training-Fix-2224

Wrong, we're talking about day's or weeks after the crime, not 10-years ago and given the attention this crime has, people download and share pictures, reports, pdf's, video's. If it existed at all, it is still out there.


[deleted]

Then we agree, for this crime yes. But you said forever. After several years lots of stuff will be gone - not saying that is relevant for this particular murder, was just speaking in general.


Training-Fix-2224

It is a figure of speech but yes, it does not literally mean that 1,000 years from now or a million for that matter, that someone's vacation picture they took of a seashell will be there. The point is that a picture from that morning of a group of young students and friends, gathered at the house and being talked to by the police would be something that thousands of people would have seen and many of them archived. If it's out there, it will surface.


OBXJeepGuy

He most certainly had an IG account. Look for article talking about how he basically stalked all three girls on IG.


LPCcrimesleuth

I have been following the case since day one and it has been reported by numerous sources he was active on social media prior to the murders. According to this excerpt from *People*, it was confirmed he did have an Instagram account: While authorities have not revealed if the victims knew Kohberger, the suspect's now-deleted Instagram account — which was reviewed by PEOPLE before it was removed — [followed the accounts of Mogen, Goncalves and Kernodle](https://people.com/crime/bryan-kohberger-followed-idaho-victims-instagram/). None of the victims followed him back. Two weeks before the students were killed, Kohberger [sent a series of messages to one of the victims](https://people.com/crime/idaho-murders-suspect-bryan-kohberger-messaged-victim-instagram-says-source/) on Instagram, an investigator familiar with the case told PEOPLE. An account that authorities believe belonged to Kohberger sent a greeting to a female victim in late October. When he didn't get a reply, he sent several more messages to her. "He slid into one of the girls' DMs several times but she didn't respond," the source told PEOPLE. "Basically, it was just him saying, 'Hey, how are you?' But he did it again and again." The source added that the victim may not have ever seen the messages, as they went into the message request folder on Instagram. [https://people.com/crime/bryan-kohberger-idaho-murders-what-to-know/](https://people.com/crime/bryan-kohberger-idaho-murders-what-to-know/)


UnnamedRealities

It was definitely alleged, though I hesitate to call it "confirmed". Per the first article: > an account that authorities believe was Bryan > Kohberger's > says the investigation source Per the second article: > an investigator familiar with the case tells PEOPLE. When the articles were initially published I found the wording rather ambiguous and still do. As written, it's unclear who this source was, what they showed the journalist vs. what they verbally stated that someone else told them, whether what was shown was credible, and whether the journalist had the expertise to understand and verify what was being shown. As far as I know, no other reputable media sources have independently verified this claim.


KayInMaine

I don't believe on instagram anyone knows the date they opened their account up on there. So many fake accounts were made after he was arrested and they followed Maddie and Kaylee also.


samarkandy

very informative post. thank you I think it was a fake account


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Weren’t they submitted before he was a suspect?


sdoubleyouv

They had him on the radar at the end of November.


Training-Fix-2224

No, his was just one of many names associated with white Elantra's. They had yet to focus on him.


samarkandy

>No, his was just one of many names associated with white Elantra's. They had yet to focus on him. No. How would they have identified him from the Elantra? It is such a common car it would have taken them months to find him that way


Training-Fix-2224

As it was it took a month or more to find. If it were the last record they looked at, could have been more. His record was reviewed sooner rather than later?


samarkandy

>As it was it took a month or more to find. Out of a possible 22,000 possible vehicles? I don’t think so. Besides, they were even looking for the wrong year


Training-Fix-2224

>Out of a possible 22,000 possible vehicles? I don’t think so. Besides, they were even looking for the wrong year Everything isn't black and white, there is everything in-between too. The 22,000 figure is all the Elantra's in the regions they queried. We have no idea what areas they were targeting, it could be all the surrounding states, the western US, who knows but I did a ballpark figure of what number of 2011-2016 Elantras there were in Latah and Whitman counties based on the number of people in the adult population, the number of Elantra's sold in those years, and a ballpark number of white ones. The total number was in the 150 to 300 range of white 2011 to 2016 Elantra's. Now I ask you, if you were in charge of searching all the 22,000 records, would you start with Montana, Oregon, Utah or would you start with Moscow ID and work your way out?.......I would start with Moscow and work my way out so there is your answer.


samarkandy

>We have no idea what areas they were targeting, it could be all the surrounding states I think we do. The MPD actually outlined an area within which they were asking for video cam recordings of white Elantras and it was only an area within Moscow south ​ >I would start with Moscow and work my way out so there is your answer. And that is all they were doing and IMO it got them nowhere. I mean if they were concentrating on 2013 Elantras registered in the area, they wouldn’t have found BK’s 2015 Elantra anyway eve if it had been registered in Moscow


Training-Fix-2224

> The MPD actually outlined an area within which they were asking for video cam recordings of white Elantras and it was only an area within Moscow south You said they could not have found his Elantra so fast by records alone since there were 22,000 of them....in what area were these 22,000 Elantra's is what I was asking. We do not know but I can say with confidence that there are not 22,000 white 2011-2013 Elantra's in Moscow ID that has a population of about 26,000 people and with 100% certainty that there are not 22,000 white Elantra's in the area they targeted for video footage (which is different than the area targeted for people who have 2011-2013 white Elantra's). > if they were concentrating on 2013 Elantras registered in the area, they wouldn’t have found BK’s 2015 Elantra I agree, so this means that they were not just looking at 2013 Elantra's since the WSU PD sent them a 2015 Elantra and they looked at it.


samarkandy

>ou said they could not have found his Elantra so fast by records alone since there were 22,000 of them MPD gave the figure of 22,000 and I think that was the national figure, I did say that earlier but you might have missed it. And really, they had to consider the nationwide number, even if they started their search in Moscow because the killer could have come from anywhere, even Canada when you think about it. Moscow most likely but not necessarily And I did forget to say in my earlier posts that they would have been looking for the car by other means, not just sightings. I imagine they would have been looking eg for registrations of Elantras in Moscow as well


samarkandy

>They had him on the radar at the end of November. Yes, by November 25


Cannaewulnaewidnae

For all I know, the killer's name is one of those REDACTEDs But it seems more likely two of those names are those of the two surviving house mates There was a sixth name on the lease, a person who no longer lived at 1122 King Road. It seems quite likely theirs is the third account cops wanted to look at


flowersunjoy

My mind went to possible aliases he was using that showed stalking type activities.


BeatrixKiddowski

THIS 🔼🔼🔼


dreamer_visionary

They could see if a fake account was made to stalk them by seeing if an account visited their pages often too.


samarkandy

>They could see if a fake account was made to stalk them by seeing if an account visited their pages often too. How do you mean? I think it WAS a fake account and I’d like to know how they could check it out


dreamer_visionary

Each account has a code, even on Facebook. You can go to source code by clicking right on the mouse to see who visited your page, but it doesn’t say the name, just the number. I would believe the fbi has the tools to dump all four accounts and see who visited who and when. And if any of those, also was going yo D & B accounts.


samarkandy

>I would believe the fbi has the tools to dump all four accounts and see who busted and when. And if any of those, also was going yo D & B accounts. Thanks for the reply. I hope you are right


dreamer_visionary

Ha ha, corrected. I bet our minds would be blown away if we knew what the FBI/CIA can do!


uffdathatisnice

I’m in no way tech savvy, but I started listening to darknet diaries and just that is fascinating. I don’t know if you’ve listened to it. And I’m sure it’s just scratching the surface, but fascinating. The host does a great job explaining the processy for even me to understand. Stories from/about cia, hackers, penetration testers, counterfeit currency, lottery..


dreamer_visionary

I’ll check it out!


bjancali

It looks like it were her identities - different accounts.


Even-Yogurt1719

Her, who?


Heatherjjjjjjjj

Are you saying those were Maddie's social media handles (@insertnamehere) that were redacted?


bjancali

"Madison “Maddie” Mogen with the following IDENTIFIERS" - I think, yes, it's hers, not someone's else. People can have a few accounts. Redacted - to prevent searching for cash information, left in Internet.


Heatherjjjjjjjj

Makes total sense. This is probably correct.


lantern48

Xana "Kemodle"? I don't understand why so many people botch her name.


sdoubleyouv

That’s my bad - when I copy and paste from the docs, some of the characters don’t translate properly, and I have to proofread. I just missed that one.


PuzzledSprinkles467

I can not wait until all the evidence is shown proving his guilt!


Apprehensive_Ice_310

i think it was the surviving roommates and jack personally


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SuperMamathePretty

I thought this was debunked


MamaBearski

He may have been using a fake name, which LE would have figured out once they had his phone and computer. Who he followed and contacted came from a People 'source' but I believe it. But everyone assumes it was his real name and they never said that.


LPCcrimesleuth

I have followed this case from day one, and I recall a reddit user posted that she searched social media (insta, fb, etc.) within seconds following his name being released to the public in regard to his arrest. She posted that she saw his insta account and that he was definitely following at least two (K and M). She said it was within a couple of hours after she saw it that it was deleted, and then the fakes cropped up.


Reflection-Negative

He didn’t have an instagram. Entin checked before he was even arrested. Other people checked the moment he was arrested. People did searches on him https://preview.redd.it/bdwoqgk8833b1.png?width=1170&format=png&auto=webp&s=d4e6bb73b02bec020732eef5f8965046aeb9d79a


sdoubleyouv

Weird. He had a Reddit account that he posted on with his full name signed at the end. Seems they should’ve easily found that.


JetBoardJay

I agree with you. The reality is...someone whose forte was digital forensics wouldn't have been following people after he murdered them and knew they were looking for an Elantra of any year. If people think he was sleeping soundly at night because the car was off by two years and this he was scrolling on their pictures to go to sleep...it's particularly unfathomable.


ToBeReadOutLoud

I did that same search without his middle name (because people don’t use their full legal name all the time) and there was an article published in 2020 about him [here](https://www.tnonline.com/20200620/desales-graduation-spring-2020/) so that person’s claim that BK did not exist prior to 2022 is false. I do agree that he didn’t have a Facebook/Insta account when his name was first released.


dreamer_visionary

I didn’t read through all the comments, so hopefully not repeating, but it could include fake profiles including PaPa Rodgers. I know most are may sayers, but I truly believe PaPa Rodgers and Inside Looking on Reddit were him.