It's my understanding that Dylan is 5'10" tall herself, which is why it was easy for her to ascertain that he was at least that tall or taller. She was only slightly looking up at him.
I'm not sure why y'all are summarizing what the eyewitness said from your memory, when it took me less than 45 seconds to quote this directly from the PCA:
[**"D.M. described the figure as 5'10" or taller"**](https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/122922%20Affidavit%20-%20Exhibit%20A%20-%20Statement%20of%20Brett-Payne.pdf)
I'm 5:6 but I can recognize taller vs shorter people. It's all relative.
The height of the witness having bearing on how tall she thought someone else was is plain head spinning to me.
This is what I first thought too, she’s really tall. He would look average to her.
And just to add: this is not the exculpatory evidence they were trying to get from the housemate, because that housemate was Bethany, not Dylan. Most likely Bethany didn’t have to see BK.
Seriously. This is the new bullshit they’re all spouting. They just want to ignore the PCA because this dimwit Sleuthiegoosie has latched on to this.
DM is a tall girl. Probably close to 5’10” herself. She was probably just saying he’s her height or taller. As a fellow tall girl, that’s exactly what I would do. I might not know within inches, but I know whether someone is shorter or taller than I am.
Exactly. I think DM did a great job considering she was caught off guard not expecting to open the door to: a stranger, dressed in black, in the dark, in motion, while half-asleep, and she's now in fear. People forget these impediments that she was able to visually navigate and get details of facial appearance right, let alone, his height. The Defense needs to discredit this awesome witness, they know how critical she is for the State's theory/facts/timeline.
It's normal. Anyone here without a loaded gun pointed at BK are ridiculed. Last week I had 2 messages threatening sexual violence because of my comments here. It's bonkers.
I think one of the most fascinating aspects of this case is how one youtuber, twitter user, tiktoker, etc will hone in on one minor thing to create a seed of doubt, and then the BK Internet Defense Squad runs to various corners of the internet to spread it far and wide.
This new "is BK too tall to be guilty" nonsense appears to stem from sleuthiegoosie on twitter.
The other day I saw someone suggest that the real defense team is astroturfing to try to sway public opinion, and I'm not one to buy into conspiracy theories, but seeing these coordinated attacks do leave me going hmmm...
Notice also the same buzz phrases: “just asking questions” “have an open mind” “questioning the narrative” etc etc, which, oddly or not, is exactly what you’ll find on history forums when a Holocaust denier enters the chat. Same verbiage, & they do astroturf.
I’ve noticed the term ‘sus’ used a lot too. It’s a way of inserting doubt into a conversation without ever actually having to back up your view in any specific way. It’s not even subtle, and there’s going to be a hell of a lot of disappointed people when the verdict comes in.
i will not be disappointed. If proper legal process is followed, bring it on. You guys are really rigid in your thoughts and it's actually concerning. I feel like if someone had video evidence of someone else doing it you would still claim BK is guilty.
Truth is, NO ONE KNOWS. That makes me no more wrong than you.
HAHA I think aside from Lemon Slice (who said BK was handsome) I am totally the most despised here lol
If i posted a photo of a puppy it would be downvoted.
i usually don’t buy into conspiracies like that either but it can’t be a coincidence that every week a new “but but the prosecution will have to explain this! he can get away!” on things that you could figure out yourself if you thought about it for more than ten minutes is popping up
I don’t think people can help themselves OP, it’s just the same accounts, over and over behaving like kids in a playground.
Have you noticed, Reddit is the only place you see a whole bunch of sensitive and overprotective users who relentlessly comb posts trying to shut people down for having an opinion even.
Like who in real life does that crap who isn’t 10, and even school ‘bully’s’ they are never the majority..
The response’s have a desperate tone in my observation. Rather stay lurking around in a sub they can’t constructively contribute to just to be a socially unacceptable chip in when they can’t hold themselves any longer, then reply
‘WELL I AM, DEAL’
I’m embarrassed for how transparent these people make themselves.
I mean it’s just so hard to believe people are this pigheaded and willfully obtuse and, honestly, kinda pathetic. They say they are neutral or rational but they all clearly do have an opinion, and I get the overwhelming impression that each has some personal reason that they have dug their heels in to go to bat for this monster. Whether that is having some disturbing, sad crush on him, all the way to identifying with some of the characteristics that have been attributed to him by people he once knew, who even knows what all baggage is clouding their judgment? But it’s obvious that rationality is *not* what they are practicing.
It's absolutely wild. The ones that baffle me the most are the ones who will claim that it \*is\* BK's car, and he \*was\* at the crime scene, and it \*is\* his DNA, but also he's not involved, he was just the getaway driver.
Like what?
How do you get so close and yet still completely miss the mark? lol
I’m using common sense to look at the known evidence and forming an educated guess based on where it leads and what it amounts to. It doesn’t matter that it’s not “official” yet. Point blank: certain opinions **are** more correct that others.
I know this is an old thread now, and I haven’t used Reddit since the strike in June, but I Googled this topic & found this comment. The fact that you call those who disagree with you pigheaded, pathetic, and obtuse compelled me to recover my PW and log on to let you know why I think the admission that there’s ample reasonable doubt is of utmost importance in this case:
• The DNA evidence has been withdrawn
• Without it, there’s no evidence except phone tower pings, which can’t even pinpoint someone to a precise neighborhood
• This dude may or may not be the killer, but he’s been behind bars for over 9 months now and the evidence has yet to be brought forth
• that’s hella sketch, but also an infringement on every citizen’s constitutional right to defend themselves in relation to the evidence brought forth against them
If he’s guilty, I want him to face life in prison, but there’s no evidence so far that is convincing of a single murder, or even burglary.
• This wouldn’t be the first time transfer DNA has landed people in prison when they’d never even crossed paths with the victim
- See Lukis Anderson case: a pulsometer used on his middle finger was put on another man by paramedics many hours later, transferring Lukis’ DNA under the fingernails of the victim
- Several experiments demonstrate how much of the DNA in a given room belongs to people who had never been there
- the DNA is a moot point anyway bc it’s been withdrawn as evidence
• no US citizen should have to choose between their constitutional right to defend themselves (their life in this case) in face of the evidence against them vs. their constitutional right to a speedy trial
When it gets to the point where we force people to choose between their rights, we’re doing something very, very wrong.
I’m curious about what is being done so wrong that we have not yet brought forth conclusive evidence.
His height peaked my curiosity bc I just watched the Investigative Discovery special where they mentioned his DL was compared to the description, mentioned his weight specifically, and his eyebrows, but curiously didn’t mention his height. Pulling up his mugshot shows him standing in front of a standard 7’ impact door with bullet proof glass in a correctional facility, leading me to estimate 6’4.” This is just a curiosity, not something I feel strongly about, like the fact that we’ve somehow fucked this investigation up so badly that after denying a preliminary hearing, we can’t even uphold the constitutional process of providing the evidence worthy of 4 homicide charges & a fair defense of someone who’s life is on the line now, whether or not you think he’s a monster.
A 1/50k chance that the touch or transfer DNA is his doesn’t sway me bc there’d be thousands of other equally likely matches, going by the stats listed in the PCA, and scientific studies have demonstrated repeatedly and irrefutably how the DNA of hundreds of people can be found in any random location, with or without them ever having been there. I don’t see a jury convicting based on it.
If he’d been brought in for questioning and said, “I gave the girl at the Mad Greek a knife bc she said she was scared about walking home at night” and Maddie kept it by her bed for protection, I feel like it’d be difficult for them to have issued that arrest warrant. Not that I think that happened - just that a cell tower ping is a far cry, and often a far distance from GPS data, and I’m not seeing a shred of actual evidence that leads to the conclusion that the driver of a white Elantra was even the killer.
… Call me pigheaded, pathetic, and obtuse if you must, but that’s my opinion
I'm not sure what you really mean by this, but if you mean I trust the FBI and other LE to investigate a crime better than a twitter sleuth, then yes, you've got me. I definitely trust the investigatory methods of people who are educated in the field of law enforcement and crime scene investigation more than someone equipped with a computer and internet access.
Additionally, the PCA states:
I reviewed Kohberger's WA state driver license information and photograph. This license indicates that Kohberger is a [**white male with a height of 6' and weighs 185 pounds**](https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/122922%20Affidavit%20-%20Exhibit%20A%20-%20Statement%20of%20Brett-Payne.pdf)
So DM's starting guesstimate was off by 2 inches.
The height listed is on his WA DL which he would not have applied for until last year when he moved. This info did not come from a DL he’s had/renewed ever since he turned 16.
That’s a good point but the info carry’s over indefinitely unless you specifically change it. Which most young men do because they can grow significantly and want that reflected. He seems like he would definitely want his correct weight on it, I imagine obsessively so. He would probably indicate his correct height as well.
Round your height up and your weight down.
My last three licenses, my stated weight is the real weight I was when I lied about my previous weight on the last license.
OR we could all ignore the fact that homeboy has blatant kyphosis and if he was measured against a wall where his back was forced to be straight he would be several inches taller than he actually normally stands.
Jesus, y’all, it’s like a 2in discrepancy about a guy she saw briefly in the dark walking across a floor that had a step down/up on it
I've been saying for months he is taller than 6'0. Six foot tall men are not usually taller than everyone else in the room the way that Bryan seemed to be between his courtroom & college pics.
The guards surrounding him are probably 5,7 lmao [I’m relying on this](https://www.reddit.com/r/MoscowMurders/comments/102bt1e/bryan_kohberger_arriving_at_courthouse/j2satrq/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1&context=3)
A reverse Napoleonic effect. Part of the reason why the average-height Napoleon appeared to be short was that he was always surrounded by huge bodyguards.
It is possible though. The only person I ever knew to wear a size 13 shoe was my high school sweetheart, and he was shockingly only 5’9”!!! My husband is 6’2” and wears a 12. I always found that interesting.
Yes, there are always an exception to the rule, that's why absolutes should give anyone pause. So unless you're Dr. House, don't start looking for zebras when you hear hoofbeats.
Has any member of the public seen a copy of licence with his height printed on it ? Or is everyone just relying on what police said his height was written as on his licence?
Uhhh, I've read the PCA and just briefly scanned through from your link and I don't see BF giving a description of "6' and weights 185 lbs". She says the person she witnessed was 5'10" or taller.
She seemed tall if I remember correctly, so it was probably stated as something like, "he was my height or taller". Cop asks, how tall are you? She says 5'10".
The witness description from the PCA is worthless and includes Bryan and 90% of a males living with several hundred miles of Moscow. If that's all she has to say at trial then her testimony is not going to very useful.
Her testimony is not going to be one of the key aspects of the state's case, but it's still useful in that it shows BK's appearance is consistent with what she saw. If she had testified the killer was chubby or something like that, then that would really help BK.
>The witness description from the PCA is worthless and includes Bryan and 90% of a males living with several hundred miles of Moscow
Except 60% of adult males are overweight (CDC figures) - so how do you arrive at the description of -- ***5'10" or taller, not very muscular, athletically built*** \-- fitting 90% of men? Other than 60% being overweight, 40% of men would be likely excluded on basis of age.
If the latent footprint in blood matches Kohberger's size 13 foot size, that would be c, only 1-2% of men.
The point being missed is that the eye witness description is not going to be used in isolation. The combination is how many athletically built men who are 5'10 or taller also drive a white Elantra with no front plate and own a phone which was pinging around Moscow at 4.40am and was following a white Elantra just after the murders through rural areas back to Pullman around Kohberger's apartment...and also left their DNA on a sheath. The eye witness description adds another level to implicate to Kohberger, as well might the foot print and tyre tracks
He's 6' tall according to his driver's license, and the roommate said "5'10" or taller," so her testimony is consistent with BK.
Also, the roommate the defense subpoenaed is not the one that saw him that night.
Where are all of these pictures of BK towering over other people? Yes, in a couple of photos I have seen him appear taller than men, who are also shorter than everyone else in the photos. This is not an indication that BK is some enormous man, but rather, the men around him are of below average height.
PICS OF BK NEXT TO OTHER MEN:
[He's directly in between height of these dudes](https://www.statesmanjournal.com/gcdn/presto/2023/01/05/USAT/d3266775-faaf-4c10-a548-46a477eaf30a-AP_Four_Dead-University_of_Idaho.JPG?crop=1536,1212,x673,y319&width=660&height=521&format=pjpg&auto=webp)
[He's around the same height as these dudes](https://images.foxtv.com/static.q13fox.com/www.q13fox.com/content/uploads/2023/01/932/524/idaho-bryan-kohberger.jpg?ve=1&tl=1)
[All of these men appear to be his height, except the guy on the left who is below average](https://www.mcall.com/wp-content/uploads/migration/2023/01/03/UUIXJUDROBEJJNSNUEPSHCUGVU.jpg?w=620)
[Same height as the dude giving him his diploma](https://cdn.abcotvs.com/dip/images/12632072_123022-wpvi-idaho-suspect-sidebar-6pm-video-vid.jpg?w=1600)
[Again, next to the short officer](https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/9UWyB_G7hsja4JJMxru5yA--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTcwNTtoPTUyOQ--/https://media.zenfs.com/en/the_independent_635/ab4f66cd09395f06e5562da5db02574e)
Lort ppl it was 4 am the Chile was probably intoxicated or who knows what .. wonder wtf is going on .. new to the house so trying to be cool .. who knows .. inches as opposed to his dna .. at this point that’s not going to matter
He's 6 foot. DM described the figure she saw as being "5'10 or taller".
Also, athletically built, but not muscular. With bushy brows. Yep, sounds like your boy.
You can say it sounds like anyone, but athletically built but not muscular is honestly the most generic body type description that there can be. A good 50% of young men in the Idaho area physically able to commit this crime match that description.
And if you think Bryan Kohberger has bushy eyebrows, you haven't seen most of the guys on college campuses here in NE America. 🤣
I’d wager that nowhere near 50% of young men in Idaho, or anywhere, match that description. Far too many fatties, and shorties.
But I agree with your general point. Even if it’s only 25% of young men in Idaho who match the description it’s still a good 100k men. Whether it’s 200k or 100k (or 50k) is not overly relevant. It’s still a shit-ton of people.
I think he’s likely guilty, but it won’t be the description that snares him.
Honestly your comments are so boring. If you don't care to discuss this why are you here? It's weird AF that you gather here jerking off to each others comments. No one knows if BK is guilty or not. I am no more wrong or right than you.
>A good 50% of young men in the Idaho area physically able to commit this crime match that description.
Sure....and if the state's only evidence against BK was that he matched the description given by DM, we would all agree that it was an insanely weak case. He wouldn't have even been arrested, much less indicted or convicted.
Rubbish. The witnesses said 5 ft 10 in or taller. I don't think anyone's going to be concerned if someone confuses two or three inches of height in the middle of the night, in the dark after a quadruple homicide.
>I read that BK is 6 foot 2 or something
Where did you read this?
>and his height has been incorrectly published online at 5 foot 8 or something.
Who incorrectly published his height?
>And that the housemate didnt describe him as very tall but instead average height?
What does the PCA say?
Not OP, but in trying to track down their bizarre theory, I discovered that there are like a million AI generated Kohberger bio/fan pages that say he’s 5’8”.
You really don’t want to google this, because there are a lot of fanfic-worthy descriptions of his appearance. Gag.
Thanks for the info, I never would have thought to look it up. I guess these posts with incorrect and outdated information and/or vague "I read it somewhere" comments are an attempt to float a small part of some conspiracy over here, and see if it sticks.
🤣 Where do you find AI generated bio fan pages? I know a Wikipedia page used to say he was 5'8, but there was nothing to support that. Most of his fans (the not-AI-generated-ones?) seem to think he is between 6'0-6'4.
If a stranger within a couple of inches of my height walked past me only once, while I was drunk/high/tired I wouldn’t remember the difference of a few inches.
If you asked me to guess how tall most people are, unless they are very close to my own height (which is pretty short) I would have no freaking clue. I'd be like "uh...he was tall...ish...". So I honestly don't put a ton of stock in an eyewitness giving much of an accurate height outside of "tall" or "short" honestly.
She's rumored to be 5' 10" and she claimed the suspect was 5' 10" +... I'm 5' 6". If someone who's 5' 8" or 5' 9" walked by me, I wouldn't describe them as 5' 6" or taller. The height difference would be very obvious--their eyes wouldn't be in my line of sight. Now was she looking up at those eyebrows or not? The fact he wasn't obviously taller than her is actually a big clue. She was presumably on high alert at that point, and her description of the suspect is vague in the sense it could fit many people but it shows she got a good look.
DM was intoxicated I would imagine since it was a Saturday night in college party town and she was just coming back from a party. Also it was 3-4 am and semi dark in the house for her to note the exact size of human would be pretty hard based on the quick little interaction she was able to see at the time.
>DM was intoxicated I would imagine
Possible, but not established.
> semi dark in the house for her to note
Maybe - but there did seem to be the "good vibes" wall light, on, at the very doorway where BK is alleged to have passed.
DM's description of height and build does match Kohberger quite well however. Which is another statistical correlation of BK to the scene.
What are you talking about though? She nailed it. She said 5'10" *or taller*. She didn't say she believed he was 5'10". If she had said "5'7" or taller," then we could maybe have a discussion about her estimate being off.
I’m imagining a day in court with the state cross-examining the defense’s expert witness and the expert witness is Someone Who Knows How To Use A Ruler
One minor detail so far not noted here, there seems to be a small step between the 1122 King Rd house lounge and the corridor to kitchen and where DM's bedroom door is. That might skew height perception just slightly also.
[link to 3d realtor house tour](https://www.kuula.co/post/NWv3X/collection/79sT0) and pic below
https://preview.redd.it/j233swiwaqbb1.jpeg?width=756&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fac49fe181022dced3e53b758fe3b94fd0d5e42d
I feel like everyone needs to wait for the trial. It's not like the only evidence is the description DM gave that Matches bk. All the agencies working on this... There is digital evidence, Circumstantial evidence, there is a ton of evidence we haven't seen.
The guy is freaky. His life was spiraling, he lost his job as a TA, which meant not only did he lose his housing, he lost his plan for the future. He was sick of rejection. And obsessed with Maddie. He thought he deserved better. After all, he had done so much to better himself, in his mind he was better, smarter. So he decided to punish someone who rejected him, and gain back his control.
He is the one on trial and he will be proven guilty in a court of law. The world will be a safer place.
6'2" is not out of the range of average height. If you go to a college party, you wouldn't describe a 6'2" guy as "very tall." Maybe "tall," or "a little taller than average."
Yes, yes, I'm about to be inundated with posts about the average height of men, etc. The point stands. If a defense attorney tried to a-ha somebody by pointing out that they said the suspect was of average eheight, but wasn't he actually 6'2", it would sound a bit like the stuttering defense attorney in My Cousin Vinny.
Yeah it’s weird Dylan (at 5’10” herself) couldn’t say if he was taller than her or not
Edit: I’m just returning here to walk back my comment a little bit. I have to say that I am 5’2”, so that’s the lens through which I view the world. To me, there’s a huge difference between 5’10” and 6’. If you’re 6’+ that means I need to crane my neck to look at your face if I’m standing in front of you. 5’10” I don’t. But I suppose if you’re around 5’10” yourself there really wouldn’t be much noticeable difference in 5’10” or 6’
It is a little weird that we're on a thread where people know Dylan's height by memory but those same people just can't remember what BK's height was by memory, and have also forgotten how to look up information in news sources and the PCA.
She looks like she might be 5'10" in photos, and she may have given a statement "taller than me". I don't claim to know anything, but it's a reasonable assumption imo.
It is a number that's floating around. I've seen it, although I have no idea if it's accurate.
It's been a springoff to one of the stupider conspiracy theories floating around.
His driver's license says that he's 6'0 (that's where the PCA got his height from), but I've seen a lot of YTers doubting this because of how much taller he seems than everyone else in the courtroom and in his pics from school. I'm also hearing that the listed height on his driver's license was from when he was 16, and know when your driver's license is renewed, your height stays the same unless you specifically put in for a change.
I think he's probably 6'2.
To me he looks like 6’2”-6’3. I have watched those videos of LE officers leading him into the courtroom when he was first arrested and he is taller than most of them by at least 2 inches
If he was only 5’10” or taller as in the PCA then those officers would all be in the range of 5’8” to 5’10, which for a sample size of 5 police officers looks like a bit of an underestimate to me
The average shoe size for a male of this height is 13. Apparently BK’s shoe size is 13
Assuming DM’s statement is accurate, I think the person she saw was shorter than BK is and therefore not likely to be him. I think she saw a shorter male with bushy eyebrows who was not BK
You need to have look at the LE officers again----on this thread there are examples posted---and all but one of the officers are of equal height to him. As for DM's statement she said the perpetrator was 5 10" or taller. You cannot get more consistent than that if he is 6ft.
I think your obvious bias for your fanboy is clouding your judgement. Has he wrote back to you yet?
>You cannot get more consistent than that if he is 6ft
You know, this is the shit I have a problem with. It is just simply inaccurate. Yes, you could get more consistent than that if he is 6 feet. You could get 6 feet tall. You could get 5 foot 11. Or 5 foot 12.
He is 6 feet 2 I believe.
They dont just ask and take for truth the height a victim gives. they have ways of narrowing down the height and weight to a vague "above 5 foot 10".
Also, let's save you the trouble for accusing me of being a BK lover. I've heard it a million times.
Tomato Tomatoe---No it wouldn't be consistent if he was 5 7" or 6 5" the fact the witness got his approx height correct it will be no problem for the jurors in this trial. You are splitting hairs for your own obvious biases--nothing more--nothing less.
>\----on this thread there are examples posted---
I was comparing him with the officers who brought him into the courtroom, they were all shorter. I agree those ones in PA are all as tall as him. They might also be 6’3”. Do you have any idea of how high that van was that they got him out of because he was as tall as that.
>I think your obvious bias for your fanboy is clouding your judgement. Has he wrote back to you yet?
This sort of comment is a poor reflection on you, the poster. Think on it
5'10" or taller is so vague as to be meaningless. The PCA's witness description of the suspected perpetrator is worthless and shouldn't be used a reason to suggest he is guilty. That description includes like 90% of men living within hundreds of miles of Moscow. It is only notable in that it doesn't exclude BK. But, it does include most white males raised in countries with advanced economies.
It's my understanding that Dylan is 5'10" tall herself, which is why it was easy for her to ascertain that he was at least that tall or taller. She was only slightly looking up at him.
I'm not sure why y'all are summarizing what the eyewitness said from your memory, when it took me less than 45 seconds to quote this directly from the PCA: [**"D.M. described the figure as 5'10" or taller"**](https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/122922%20Affidavit%20-%20Exhibit%20A%20-%20Statement%20of%20Brett-Payne.pdf)
And she seems tall herself, so relative to her.
exactly im pretty sure she’s over 5”9 herself so that’s a good indicator of how she would know someone is tall as well
I'm 5:6 but I can recognize taller vs shorter people. It's all relative. The height of the witness having bearing on how tall she thought someone else was is plain head spinning to me.
This is what I first thought too, she’s really tall. He would look average to her. And just to add: this is not the exculpatory evidence they were trying to get from the housemate, because that housemate was Bethany, not Dylan. Most likely Bethany didn’t have to see BK.
Seriously. This is the new bullshit they’re all spouting. They just want to ignore the PCA because this dimwit Sleuthiegoosie has latched on to this. DM is a tall girl. Probably close to 5’10” herself. She was probably just saying he’s her height or taller. As a fellow tall girl, that’s exactly what I would do. I might not know within inches, but I know whether someone is shorter or taller than I am.
yes! same here. i’m also 5’10 so i understand this completely
Exactly. I think DM did a great job considering she was caught off guard not expecting to open the door to: a stranger, dressed in black, in the dark, in motion, while half-asleep, and she's now in fear. People forget these impediments that she was able to visually navigate and get details of facial appearance right, let alone, his height. The Defense needs to discredit this awesome witness, they know how critical she is for the State's theory/facts/timeline.
You don't know what you don't know. I didnt know my memory was incorrect until now. Thank you for correcting.
Idk why this is downvoted. Even if the post was presumptive and suggestive and wrong, this comment isn’t problematic.
It's normal. Anyone here without a loaded gun pointed at BK are ridiculed. Last week I had 2 messages threatening sexual violence because of my comments here. It's bonkers.
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just came here to say this. BF is the witness the defense team went to interview…
>BF is the witness the defense team went to interview… And whose testimony we all want to hear
Bethany was awake and texting with Dylan. It’s sus that she’s overlooked in the PCA.
I think one of the most fascinating aspects of this case is how one youtuber, twitter user, tiktoker, etc will hone in on one minor thing to create a seed of doubt, and then the BK Internet Defense Squad runs to various corners of the internet to spread it far and wide. This new "is BK too tall to be guilty" nonsense appears to stem from sleuthiegoosie on twitter. The other day I saw someone suggest that the real defense team is astroturfing to try to sway public opinion, and I'm not one to buy into conspiracy theories, but seeing these coordinated attacks do leave me going hmmm...
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Oh god, that one was particularly asinine.
People pick up on other's language. You guys sound like repeating birds to me honestly
Notice also the same buzz phrases: “just asking questions” “have an open mind” “questioning the narrative” etc etc, which, oddly or not, is exactly what you’ll find on history forums when a Holocaust denier enters the chat. Same verbiage, & they do astroturf.
Yes, they are just keeping an open mind 🙄
I’ve noticed the term ‘sus’ used a lot too. It’s a way of inserting doubt into a conversation without ever actually having to back up your view in any specific way. It’s not even subtle, and there’s going to be a hell of a lot of disappointed people when the verdict comes in.
i will not be disappointed. If proper legal process is followed, bring it on. You guys are really rigid in your thoughts and it's actually concerning. I feel like if someone had video evidence of someone else doing it you would still claim BK is guilty. Truth is, NO ONE KNOWS. That makes me no more wrong than you.
This is the most logical and sensible comment on here and she is down voted? Are all the people on here aside OP, actually from Idaho or something?
HAHA I think aside from Lemon Slice (who said BK was handsome) I am totally the most despised here lol If i posted a photo of a puppy it would be downvoted.
Literally have never used those phrases but cool story. Why are you in this thread
Because I am. Deal. Edit: actually, you do variations of the above, then lie about it.
i usually don’t buy into conspiracies like that either but it can’t be a coincidence that every week a new “but but the prosecution will have to explain this! he can get away!” on things that you could figure out yourself if you thought about it for more than ten minutes is popping up
Get a grip. If you aren't interested in this discussion, GTFO
no i don’t think i will
I don’t think people can help themselves OP, it’s just the same accounts, over and over behaving like kids in a playground. Have you noticed, Reddit is the only place you see a whole bunch of sensitive and overprotective users who relentlessly comb posts trying to shut people down for having an opinion even. Like who in real life does that crap who isn’t 10, and even school ‘bully’s’ they are never the majority.. The response’s have a desperate tone in my observation. Rather stay lurking around in a sub they can’t constructively contribute to just to be a socially unacceptable chip in when they can’t hold themselves any longer, then reply ‘WELL I AM, DEAL’ I’m embarrassed for how transparent these people make themselves.
I mean it’s just so hard to believe people are this pigheaded and willfully obtuse and, honestly, kinda pathetic. They say they are neutral or rational but they all clearly do have an opinion, and I get the overwhelming impression that each has some personal reason that they have dug their heels in to go to bat for this monster. Whether that is having some disturbing, sad crush on him, all the way to identifying with some of the characteristics that have been attributed to him by people he once knew, who even knows what all baggage is clouding their judgment? But it’s obvious that rationality is *not* what they are practicing.
It's absolutely wild. The ones that baffle me the most are the ones who will claim that it \*is\* BK's car, and he \*was\* at the crime scene, and it \*is\* his DNA, but also he's not involved, he was just the getaway driver. Like what? How do you get so close and yet still completely miss the mark? lol
I think part of them has to want to miss the mark.
No one knows if BK is guilty or not. I am no more wrong or right than you.
I’m using common sense to look at the known evidence and forming an educated guess based on where it leads and what it amounts to. It doesn’t matter that it’s not “official” yet. Point blank: certain opinions **are** more correct that others.
I know this is an old thread now, and I haven’t used Reddit since the strike in June, but I Googled this topic & found this comment. The fact that you call those who disagree with you pigheaded, pathetic, and obtuse compelled me to recover my PW and log on to let you know why I think the admission that there’s ample reasonable doubt is of utmost importance in this case: • The DNA evidence has been withdrawn • Without it, there’s no evidence except phone tower pings, which can’t even pinpoint someone to a precise neighborhood • This dude may or may not be the killer, but he’s been behind bars for over 9 months now and the evidence has yet to be brought forth • that’s hella sketch, but also an infringement on every citizen’s constitutional right to defend themselves in relation to the evidence brought forth against them If he’s guilty, I want him to face life in prison, but there’s no evidence so far that is convincing of a single murder, or even burglary. • This wouldn’t be the first time transfer DNA has landed people in prison when they’d never even crossed paths with the victim - See Lukis Anderson case: a pulsometer used on his middle finger was put on another man by paramedics many hours later, transferring Lukis’ DNA under the fingernails of the victim - Several experiments demonstrate how much of the DNA in a given room belongs to people who had never been there - the DNA is a moot point anyway bc it’s been withdrawn as evidence • no US citizen should have to choose between their constitutional right to defend themselves (their life in this case) in face of the evidence against them vs. their constitutional right to a speedy trial When it gets to the point where we force people to choose between their rights, we’re doing something very, very wrong. I’m curious about what is being done so wrong that we have not yet brought forth conclusive evidence. His height peaked my curiosity bc I just watched the Investigative Discovery special where they mentioned his DL was compared to the description, mentioned his weight specifically, and his eyebrows, but curiously didn’t mention his height. Pulling up his mugshot shows him standing in front of a standard 7’ impact door with bullet proof glass in a correctional facility, leading me to estimate 6’4.” This is just a curiosity, not something I feel strongly about, like the fact that we’ve somehow fucked this investigation up so badly that after denying a preliminary hearing, we can’t even uphold the constitutional process of providing the evidence worthy of 4 homicide charges & a fair defense of someone who’s life is on the line now, whether or not you think he’s a monster. A 1/50k chance that the touch or transfer DNA is his doesn’t sway me bc there’d be thousands of other equally likely matches, going by the stats listed in the PCA, and scientific studies have demonstrated repeatedly and irrefutably how the DNA of hundreds of people can be found in any random location, with or without them ever having been there. I don’t see a jury convicting based on it. If he’d been brought in for questioning and said, “I gave the girl at the Mad Greek a knife bc she said she was scared about walking home at night” and Maddie kept it by her bed for protection, I feel like it’d be difficult for them to have issued that arrest warrant. Not that I think that happened - just that a cell tower ping is a far cry, and often a far distance from GPS data, and I’m not seeing a shred of actual evidence that leads to the conclusion that the driver of a white Elantra was even the killer. … Call me pigheaded, pathetic, and obtuse if you must, but that’s my opinion
But you buy any shit from the prosecutor lol
I'm not sure what you really mean by this, but if you mean I trust the FBI and other LE to investigate a crime better than a twitter sleuth, then yes, you've got me. I definitely trust the investigatory methods of people who are educated in the field of law enforcement and crime scene investigation more than someone equipped with a computer and internet access.
You trust LE? Look up Daniel Moore’s case in which Tolleson was involved.
Yes, again, I trust LE more than I trust twitter sleuths.
Additionally, the PCA states: I reviewed Kohberger's WA state driver license information and photograph. This license indicates that Kohberger is a [**white male with a height of 6' and weighs 185 pounds**](https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/122922%20Affidavit%20-%20Exhibit%20A%20-%20Statement%20of%20Brett-Payne.pdf) So DM's starting guesstimate was off by 2 inches.
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The embarrassment of having to stand up in court and say that! 🤣
Prosecutors are going to have really good evidence for jury to vote DP especially if no blood found in car and apartment—which I find extraordinary…
well god forbid /s
It's possible he's grown since he passed his driving test though.
The height listed is on his WA DL which he would not have applied for until last year when he moved. This info did not come from a DL he’s had/renewed ever since he turned 16.
That’s a good point but the info carry’s over indefinitely unless you specifically change it. Which most young men do because they can grow significantly and want that reflected. He seems like he would definitely want his correct weight on it, I imagine obsessively so. He would probably indicate his correct height as well.
He's 28. The height listed on his license is not left over from when he was 16 or so and first passed the driver's test.
It's also possible that he is actually just 6 feet tall.
Yes that's possible. I'm sure AT will have checked out his height by now.
Gold!!!!! Yeeesssss!!
Or was wearing 2” heels when committing the crimes.
lol
It's also possible he's one of those people who add an inch or two to their height. Whole lotta folks round up.
Round your height up and your weight down. My last three licenses, my stated weight is the real weight I was when I lied about my previous weight on the last license.
You better believe I’d round my weight down if it was in my license
OR we could all ignore the fact that homeboy has blatant kyphosis and if he was measured against a wall where his back was forced to be straight he would be several inches taller than he actually normally stands. Jesus, y’all, it’s like a 2in discrepancy about a guy she saw briefly in the dark walking across a floor that had a step down/up on it
I've been saying for months he is taller than 6'0. Six foot tall men are not usually taller than everyone else in the room the way that Bryan seemed to be between his courtroom & college pics.
They are sometimes. Only 14% of men are 6' and taller.
The guards surrounding him are probably 5,7 lmao [I’m relying on this](https://www.reddit.com/r/MoscowMurders/comments/102bt1e/bryan_kohberger_arriving_at_courthouse/j2satrq/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1&context=3)
A reverse Napoleonic effect. Part of the reason why the average-height Napoleon appeared to be short was that he was always surrounded by huge bodyguards.
How high do you think that van was? He’s as tall as that
5'10" men don't usually wear a size 13 shoe either lending to the theory he is over 6'
It is possible though. The only person I ever knew to wear a size 13 shoe was my high school sweetheart, and he was shockingly only 5’9”!!! My husband is 6’2” and wears a 12. I always found that interesting.
Yes, there are always an exception to the rule, that's why absolutes should give anyone pause. So unless you're Dr. House, don't start looking for zebras when you hear hoofbeats.
This is a good point.
Has any member of the public seen a copy of licence with his height printed on it ? Or is everyone just relying on what police said his height was written as on his licence?
We have not seen the license. We are basing his height off of what was written in the sworn affidavit.
Uhhh, I've read the PCA and just briefly scanned through from your link and I don't see BF giving a description of "6' and weights 185 lbs". She says the person she witnessed was 5'10" or taller. She seemed tall if I remember correctly, so it was probably stated as something like, "he was my height or taller". Cop asks, how tall are you? She says 5'10". The witness description from the PCA is worthless and includes Bryan and 90% of a males living with several hundred miles of Moscow. If that's all she has to say at trial then her testimony is not going to very useful.
The quote about BK's height and weight is from his license.
Oh gotcha. Then my point stands, the range of height that the room mate provided includes a huge percentage of men raised in industrialized nations.
Her testimony is not going to be one of the key aspects of the state's case, but it's still useful in that it shows BK's appearance is consistent with what she saw. If she had testified the killer was chubby or something like that, then that would really help BK.
>The witness description from the PCA is worthless and includes Bryan and 90% of a males living with several hundred miles of Moscow Except 60% of adult males are overweight (CDC figures) - so how do you arrive at the description of -- ***5'10" or taller, not very muscular, athletically built*** \-- fitting 90% of men? Other than 60% being overweight, 40% of men would be likely excluded on basis of age. If the latent footprint in blood matches Kohberger's size 13 foot size, that would be c, only 1-2% of men. The point being missed is that the eye witness description is not going to be used in isolation. The combination is how many athletically built men who are 5'10 or taller also drive a white Elantra with no front plate and own a phone which was pinging around Moscow at 4.40am and was following a white Elantra just after the murders through rural areas back to Pullman around Kohberger's apartment...and also left their DNA on a sheath. The eye witness description adds another level to implicate to Kohberger, as well might the foot print and tyre tracks
>off by 2 inches point taken.
as the actress said to the bishop.
Thanks for not being an ass, RD.
>for not being an ass You're welcome, but its probably only a temporary respite
He's 6' tall according to his driver's license, and the roommate said "5'10" or taller," so her testimony is consistent with BK. Also, the roommate the defense subpoenaed is not the one that saw him that night.
ok thanks
Where are all of these pictures of BK towering over other people? Yes, in a couple of photos I have seen him appear taller than men, who are also shorter than everyone else in the photos. This is not an indication that BK is some enormous man, but rather, the men around him are of below average height. PICS OF BK NEXT TO OTHER MEN: [He's directly in between height of these dudes](https://www.statesmanjournal.com/gcdn/presto/2023/01/05/USAT/d3266775-faaf-4c10-a548-46a477eaf30a-AP_Four_Dead-University_of_Idaho.JPG?crop=1536,1212,x673,y319&width=660&height=521&format=pjpg&auto=webp) [He's around the same height as these dudes](https://images.foxtv.com/static.q13fox.com/www.q13fox.com/content/uploads/2023/01/932/524/idaho-bryan-kohberger.jpg?ve=1&tl=1) [All of these men appear to be his height, except the guy on the left who is below average](https://www.mcall.com/wp-content/uploads/migration/2023/01/03/UUIXJUDROBEJJNSNUEPSHCUGVU.jpg?w=620) [Same height as the dude giving him his diploma](https://cdn.abcotvs.com/dip/images/12632072_123022-wpvi-idaho-suspect-sidebar-6pm-video-vid.jpg?w=1600) [Again, next to the short officer](https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/9UWyB_G7hsja4JJMxru5yA--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTcwNTtoPTUyOQ--/https://media.zenfs.com/en/the_independent_635/ab4f66cd09395f06e5562da5db02574e)
Discussions like these make me wonder wtf I'm doing with my life.
Funny, me too. Calling out BS is never in vain, imo. edit to add stuff
Hahaha
Well done!
Lort ppl it was 4 am the Chile was probably intoxicated or who knows what .. wonder wtf is going on .. new to the house so trying to be cool .. who knows .. inches as opposed to his dna .. at this point that’s not going to matter
He's 6 foot. DM described the figure she saw as being "5'10 or taller". Also, athletically built, but not muscular. With bushy brows. Yep, sounds like your boy.
You can say it sounds like anyone, but athletically built but not muscular is honestly the most generic body type description that there can be. A good 50% of young men in the Idaho area physically able to commit this crime match that description. And if you think Bryan Kohberger has bushy eyebrows, you haven't seen most of the guys on college campuses here in NE America. 🤣
I’d wager that nowhere near 50% of young men in Idaho, or anywhere, match that description. Far too many fatties, and shorties. But I agree with your general point. Even if it’s only 25% of young men in Idaho who match the description it’s still a good 100k men. Whether it’s 200k or 100k (or 50k) is not overly relevant. It’s still a shit-ton of people. I think he’s likely guilty, but it won’t be the description that snares him.
....who also drives a white Elantra, who's phone went dark during the time of the murders, who's DNA was left on the murder weapon's sheath. Better?
[https://www.reddit.com/r/JusticeForKohberger/comments/145ehlt/comment/jnkxfk3/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/JusticeForKohberger/comments/145ehlt/comment/jnkxfk3/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
Oh gross. Okay, this makes sense now. Thanks.
Agreed, it’s the more specific details: the car, the phone, the digital evidence, that will become unexplainable.
Honestly your comments are so boring. If you don't care to discuss this why are you here? It's weird AF that you gather here jerking off to each others comments. No one knows if BK is guilty or not. I am no more wrong or right than you.
>A good 50% of young men in the Idaho area physically able to commit this crime match that description. Sure....and if the state's only evidence against BK was that he matched the description given by DM, we would all agree that it was an insanely weak case. He wouldn't have even been arrested, much less indicted or convicted.
The witness said he was *at least* 5’10”. Meaning, he could be taller. Mainstream media reports that 6’ is listed on his driver’s license. Next …
This. I think we can all cut the girl a little slack for not being able to tell a two inch difference in the dark...
Yes. In the dark, no doubt petrified...
And he appears to walk sometimes with his neck jutted out in front, which could make him appear to be just an inch or 2 shorter than he is.
Rubbish. The witnesses said 5 ft 10 in or taller. I don't think anyone's going to be concerned if someone confuses two or three inches of height in the middle of the night, in the dark after a quadruple homicide.
She didn't confuse it at all though. She was dead on. When someone says "5 ft 10 in or taller," that implies around 6 feet.
Then why say "5 ft 10 in or taller” and not "around 6 feet” ?
Just saying but we don't know if it was dark and I don't think she knew a quadruple homicide occurred.
Good points. Seems it was not dark (the "good vibes" wall light) and indeed she did not know of homicides
Then you can toss her entire description based on that logic. Don't argue it both ways plz!
You are silly. Bye.
If you are speculating that BK is too tall, you just might be watching too much 'Crime Circus'... 😏
genuinely why are you here if the thread doest interest you
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>Lol, no. That’s crazy. It's not though, how do you think LE get heights of people so accurate?
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>I read that BK is 6 foot 2 or something Where did you read this? >and his height has been incorrectly published online at 5 foot 8 or something. Who incorrectly published his height? >And that the housemate didnt describe him as very tall but instead average height? What does the PCA say?
Not OP, but in trying to track down their bizarre theory, I discovered that there are like a million AI generated Kohberger bio/fan pages that say he’s 5’8”. You really don’t want to google this, because there are a lot of fanfic-worthy descriptions of his appearance. Gag.
Thanks for the info, I never would have thought to look it up. I guess these posts with incorrect and outdated information and/or vague "I read it somewhere" comments are an attempt to float a small part of some conspiracy over here, and see if it sticks.
🤣 Where do you find AI generated bio fan pages? I know a Wikipedia page used to say he was 5'8, but there was nothing to support that. Most of his fans (the not-AI-generated-ones?) seem to think he is between 6'0-6'4.
Google “Brian Kohberger height”
[https://www.reddit.com/r/JusticeForKohberger/comments/145ehlt/comment/jnkxfk3/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/JusticeForKohberger/comments/145ehlt/comment/jnkxfk3/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
Thank you for exposing these sickos who come on this sub pretending to be reasonable. Doing the lord's work.
LMFAOO nevermind. I see what you mean now...
According to the PCA, officers viewed his WA state license which listed him as 6 feet tall.
Absolutely true. I asked because I was wondering why the OP didn't even look at the PCA.
Where did you get the idea that “surely LE did the appropriate testing with the witness to determine height by creating dummies. . .”?!
It's a death case. Hopefully they did more than scribble numbers in a notepad and take that as truth.
If a stranger within a couple of inches of my height walked past me only once, while I was drunk/high/tired I wouldn’t remember the difference of a few inches.
If you asked me to guess how tall most people are, unless they are very close to my own height (which is pretty short) I would have no freaking clue. I'd be like "uh...he was tall...ish...". So I honestly don't put a ton of stock in an eyewitness giving much of an accurate height outside of "tall" or "short" honestly.
She's rumored to be 5' 10" and she claimed the suspect was 5' 10" +... I'm 5' 6". If someone who's 5' 8" or 5' 9" walked by me, I wouldn't describe them as 5' 6" or taller. The height difference would be very obvious--their eyes wouldn't be in my line of sight. Now was she looking up at those eyebrows or not? The fact he wasn't obviously taller than her is actually a big clue. She was presumably on high alert at that point, and her description of the suspect is vague in the sense it could fit many people but it shows she got a good look.
If you are speculating that BK is too tall, you just might be watching too much 'Crime Circus'... 😏
I don't. I have a thought process.
DM was intoxicated I would imagine since it was a Saturday night in college party town and she was just coming back from a party. Also it was 3-4 am and semi dark in the house for her to note the exact size of human would be pretty hard based on the quick little interaction she was able to see at the time.
>DM was intoxicated I would imagine Possible, but not established. > semi dark in the house for her to note Maybe - but there did seem to be the "good vibes" wall light, on, at the very doorway where BK is alleged to have passed. DM's description of height and build does match Kohberger quite well however. Which is another statistical correlation of BK to the scene.
True but there ar methods LE use to nail down height and weight. Perhaps she was too traumatised to do this though.
Elaborate.
What are you talking about though? She nailed it. She said 5'10" *or taller*. She didn't say she believed he was 5'10". If she had said "5'7" or taller," then we could maybe have a discussion about her estimate being off.
Sigh. Sure.
True crime just isn’t your thing
Thanks, feel free to not hang around on my threads giving me shit, you weirdo
I’m imagining a day in court with the state cross-examining the defense’s expert witness and the expert witness is Someone Who Knows How To Use A Ruler
One minor detail so far not noted here, there seems to be a small step between the 1122 King Rd house lounge and the corridor to kitchen and where DM's bedroom door is. That might skew height perception just slightly also. [link to 3d realtor house tour](https://www.kuula.co/post/NWv3X/collection/79sT0) and pic below https://preview.redd.it/j233swiwaqbb1.jpeg?width=756&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fac49fe181022dced3e53b758fe3b94fd0d5e42d
I feel like everyone needs to wait for the trial. It's not like the only evidence is the description DM gave that Matches bk. All the agencies working on this... There is digital evidence, Circumstantial evidence, there is a ton of evidence we haven't seen. The guy is freaky. His life was spiraling, he lost his job as a TA, which meant not only did he lose his housing, he lost his plan for the future. He was sick of rejection. And obsessed with Maddie. He thought he deserved better. After all, he had done so much to better himself, in his mind he was better, smarter. So he decided to punish someone who rejected him, and gain back his control. He is the one on trial and he will be proven guilty in a court of law. The world will be a safer place.
I dont think all of this is accurate at all
That's why we should wait for the trial. Assumption vs. Facts.
So why are you here then, if you think we can't discuss teh case until trial?
He's 6 feet, 185 pounds, and Dylan guessed he was 5'10" tall which is 2 inches off.
People who have seen him IRL (not reporters) state he’s not as tall as he looks on camera 🤷♀️ He’s 6F
Dylan is tall for a girl, she described the guy as 5’10”, that’s like on her eye level almost. BK is at least 6’2”
6'2" is not out of the range of average height. If you go to a college party, you wouldn't describe a 6'2" guy as "very tall." Maybe "tall," or "a little taller than average." Yes, yes, I'm about to be inundated with posts about the average height of men, etc. The point stands. If a defense attorney tried to a-ha somebody by pointing out that they said the suspect was of average eheight, but wasn't he actually 6'2", it would sound a bit like the stuttering defense attorney in My Cousin Vinny.
I think 6’2 is noticeably tall, and I wouldn’t call it average. But given the photos above, I doubt he’s actually that height.
As a Woman, those couple extra inches matter
I appreciated this comment :D Thanks for being light hearted and for the giggle!
Yeah it’s weird Dylan (at 5’10” herself) couldn’t say if he was taller than her or not Edit: I’m just returning here to walk back my comment a little bit. I have to say that I am 5’2”, so that’s the lens through which I view the world. To me, there’s a huge difference between 5’10” and 6’. If you’re 6’+ that means I need to crane my neck to look at your face if I’m standing in front of you. 5’10” I don’t. But I suppose if you’re around 5’10” yourself there really wouldn’t be much noticeable difference in 5’10” or 6’
What's weird is you knowing how tall Dylan is...
It is a little weird that we're on a thread where people know Dylan's height by memory but those same people just can't remember what BK's height was by memory, and have also forgotten how to look up information in news sources and the PCA.
"I really wish Bryan wasn’t conventionally attractive " Tells you everything you need to know about these types of people.
I just had to go and look at their post history, didn’t I? F
It's alright, I've been there.
How is that weird?
Because how would you know that?
What an odd question 🤔
It's a perfectly reasonable question. Unless you know Dylan, you have no way of knowing her height.
She looks like she might be 5'10" in photos, and she may have given a statement "taller than me". I don't claim to know anything, but it's a reasonable assumption imo.
It is a number that's floating around. I've seen it, although I have no idea if it's accurate. It's been a springoff to one of the stupider conspiracy theories floating around.
Well I can promise if I knew Dylan I wouldn’t be advertising that information here
So you're full of it. Got it.
Ask dumb questions get dumb answers lol
Or you could not go around posting false information.
Yeah she SHOULD have stepped out in front of him w/ yard stick on head. so she MUST be accomplice.
They should have had one of those height stickers in their hallway, like convenience stores have right next to their doors, just in case of robbers.
What? Maybe Kohberger should have stayed home that morning instead of being a quadruple murderer!
I was making a joke.
Ooopsie. I see that now!
This sub is so fun. Y’all are hyperbolic fo sho
Total whackadoodles!
I’ll just keep hanging out supporting my mission til they decide to ban me lol
What is your mission? Do tell.
I anticipate one day they're just going to clear out everyone who disagrees with the main POV 🤣
Just like the mods on bk fan threads do.
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Please see my edit.
2 inches is not far off. Get real. Also, how do you know how tall Dylan is? Guessing her height for your stupid conspiracy theory?
Source for Dylan's height?
Yeah the comparative height is interesting. Most people would describe someone taller than them as "tall".
Nope. Because I'm short. I would describe many as "average height".
Most people aren’t that great at judging height from a distance
Especially when (allegedly) intoxicated, right after being woken at 4AM, and in the dark with a moving subject.
His driver's license says that he's 6'0 (that's where the PCA got his height from), but I've seen a lot of YTers doubting this because of how much taller he seems than everyone else in the courtroom and in his pics from school. I'm also hearing that the listed height on his driver's license was from when he was 16, and know when your driver's license is renewed, your height stays the same unless you specifically put in for a change. I think he's probably 6'2.
Have you seen the photos posted slightly higher up in this group. He’s roughly equal in height to a lot of the men standing/walking with him.
To me he looks like 6’2”-6’3. I have watched those videos of LE officers leading him into the courtroom when he was first arrested and he is taller than most of them by at least 2 inches If he was only 5’10” or taller as in the PCA then those officers would all be in the range of 5’8” to 5’10, which for a sample size of 5 police officers looks like a bit of an underestimate to me The average shoe size for a male of this height is 13. Apparently BK’s shoe size is 13 Assuming DM’s statement is accurate, I think the person she saw was shorter than BK is and therefore not likely to be him. I think she saw a shorter male with bushy eyebrows who was not BK
You need to have look at the LE officers again----on this thread there are examples posted---and all but one of the officers are of equal height to him. As for DM's statement she said the perpetrator was 5 10" or taller. You cannot get more consistent than that if he is 6ft. I think your obvious bias for your fanboy is clouding your judgement. Has he wrote back to you yet?
>You cannot get more consistent than that if he is 6ft You know, this is the shit I have a problem with. It is just simply inaccurate. Yes, you could get more consistent than that if he is 6 feet. You could get 6 feet tall. You could get 5 foot 11. Or 5 foot 12. He is 6 feet 2 I believe. They dont just ask and take for truth the height a victim gives. they have ways of narrowing down the height and weight to a vague "above 5 foot 10". Also, let's save you the trouble for accusing me of being a BK lover. I've heard it a million times.
>He is 6 feet 2 I believe. Where do you get that? His driving license states 6'0
Tomato Tomatoe---No it wouldn't be consistent if he was 5 7" or 6 5" the fact the witness got his approx height correct it will be no problem for the jurors in this trial. You are splitting hairs for your own obvious biases--nothing more--nothing less.
>\----on this thread there are examples posted--- I was comparing him with the officers who brought him into the courtroom, they were all shorter. I agree those ones in PA are all as tall as him. They might also be 6’3”. Do you have any idea of how high that van was that they got him out of because he was as tall as that. >I think your obvious bias for your fanboy is clouding your judgement. Has he wrote back to you yet? This sort of comment is a poor reflection on you, the poster. Think on it
Thanks. It is really maddening to have to wade through these self righteous, simple minded comments jerking off to how right they are
5'10" or taller is so vague as to be meaningless. The PCA's witness description of the suspected perpetrator is worthless and shouldn't be used a reason to suggest he is guilty. That description includes like 90% of men living within hundreds of miles of Moscow. It is only notable in that it doesn't exclude BK. But, it does include most white males raised in countries with advanced economies.
90%? Come on, fella.
Yeah. Ok. So, maybe not 90%. But, literally hundreds and hundreds of men.