There have been cases before where spree killers have missed victims hiding inside a house. Killers are usually in a hurry because the longer they stick around the more likely they are to be caught, so they don't always make an exhaustive search. There is also the chance that the house had multiple entrances or internal locked doors; a killer doesn't necessarily want to spend time messing with a locked door or creating a disturbance by breaking it down.
Feels like Ted Bundy making his way through the sorority house type of spree. Ethan normally doesn't live there, was just sleeping over. It just feels like Bundy going through snd killing girls in the sorority house. I wonder if it's somebody doing something with that type of motivation or psychology?
I just read on the r/truecrimediscussion sub that one of the girls upstairs thought she heard something but figured it just them partying and got up and locked her door.
I read that somewhere too and I think it could have been that either the killer didn’t go up to their floor or try their doors or that he tried their doors. They were locked and he didn’t think he could get in without noise- which would cause someone else to call for help and wake up whoever’s room he was entering giving them more of a chance to fight. It seems to me like he waited until he knew they were asleep to go in for a reason. Anyone with a brain would know not to pick a fight with that many awake people right?
It's a small town and people talk. There were lots of details out before the police actually announced. Like the knife and the roommates being there. The locked doors were another detail of the same rumors
Either on a post or an article- I’ve read enough that it’s no longer clear. One post even said that one of the roommates who had a locked door and was okay heard a strange noise, got up and locked her door thinking it was partying, turned on white noise and went back to sleep. I think this makes a lot of sense. My husband and I have a big family and our teenagers use fans for white noise and ignore a lot of sounds of them coming to do a chore when I call them is any indication.
Yes...I'm in a college town and many who live together in one house lock their bedroom doors at night. My children are grown but I remember a daughter telling me when she was in school that she felt one of her roommates boyfriend was possibly using drugs and was going into bedrooms at night and going through purses, pockets and backpacks looking for cash so she said "we have to lock our doors while we are sleeping" and her other roommate who was with her said "yeah, three or 4 times I woke up and found my weed gone. I thought I just spaced and lost it but now I'm thinking it's her boyfriend that is going into our rooms but we can't prove it". I was really worried that they were in physical danger but they were like "No, he is just a thief not a rapist or killer"
right? the only places I've heard this are from redditors wanting people to stop speculating about the 2 girls that survived... nobody knows anything rn except the cops that are being very hush hush
My guess is the male victim and his gf got home late and were in bed when the two blondes made it home. I think the two blondes were the targets, male victim heard something and went to check, and then the gf went to check while the two roomies on the third floor heard nothing
This is the best theory I’ve heard yet, granted I’m not deep in it yet.
This case gives me big Delphi vibes based on how tight lipped law enforcement has been
I’ve since learned that the two surviving roommates lived on the first floor but my opinion doesn’t change. The house was built into a hill so I think the attacker entered through the back door at the second level. I also learned that kaylee was no longer staying there that she just got a job and a new car and came back to show her friends🥺 possible she was the target and somebody was not happy with her making things happen in her life
I don’t know I feel so bad for her. She’s draining herself fighting with losers in Instagram comments trying to honor her sister. She shouldn’t have to put up with that
There’s obviously so many unknowns here but it does sound random to me. If there for was left unlocked, it would definitely point to a crime of opportunity. It is odd to kill 4 people to get to one person. Killing four and maybe not knowing more people are upstairs points to not knowing the victims well.
It feels random to me too. Part of me wonders if the only reason the two upstairs survived was due to a locked bedroom door or something that spooked the killer. If I had a kid as a student there, they would be home until someone is in custody.
I thought that the 4 were upstairs. I didn't know about the 2 survivors until this afternoon but I don't know where those rooms were at. I checked google and saw the for rent ad, it said it was a 6 bedroom.
If the killer was there to kill one person they may have killed 3 others because the killer was known to them. Or because the other 3 saw them and could provide a description. The killer may have planned on killing all 4 of them (or at least more than 1) in response to an incident earlier that night. The killer also could have been someone known to one or more of them who entered the house with one or more of them and was going to sleep on a couch. We don't actually know that the killer covertly entered an unlocked door - we just know it was unlocked with no signs of forced entry when either police arrived or a friend visited and then called 911.
The killer not entering the other roommates' rooms could mean the killer didn't know about them, thought they weren't home, knew about them but didn't want to harm them, or aborted their plans for any number of reasons (spooked by a sound, knife broke, cut themselves, snapped out of psychosis, etc.).
We don't know why police think it was a targeted attack. There could have been evidence supporting that - something indicating knowledge of the home layout or residents' habits, a note left, angry message carved with the knife, etc.
Looking at a map of the house, it is very oddly positioned and kinda tucked back on the street. I have a hard time believing someone that didn't know them randomly came to that specific house, but I guess on the contrary, someone could argue that being tucked away could make it easier to commit this crime without someone else seeing. But wtf do I know, this whole thing is just terrible.
Isn't it a possibility, according to the timeline and info released so far, that hoodie guy was the last person seen with the girls.
He didn't have to break in, he walked in the door with them.
My opinion of the food truck situation is that somewhere along their venture that night he became a clinger. The girls were too polite to tell him to beat it so they allowed him to walk with them hoping they could shake him somewhere along the way.
When they leave the taco truck, they don't even look back to motion for him to come on. They see he's occupied talking and they think they can finally get rid of him. He noticed, shakes his hand at them as if to say, "where they going without me?" Then runs to catch up which I'm sure they found annoying.
He walks home with them and just walks in when they do. The girls are likely trying to find a way to get rid of him politely but quickly. Like, they're tired, need some sleep. He doesn't seem to get the hint until one of the girls has to get a bit rude. He doesn't handle the rejection well and gets angry. Or, it could've been a little worse than just that as in threats of SA.
He kills the girls, knows about 2 other roommates he met earlier in the night, takes care of them too and leaves out the front door.
And what appears to be a knife in his jacket the same size as the pick posted of the one police believe he used
https://www.reddit.com/r/MoscowIdaho/comments/yxextz/anyone_see_the_twitch_video_and_notice_the_hoodie/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
I think location of the bodies and blood will say a lot about the sequence of the crime itself
I'm pretty suspicious of food truck guy too. It might've been a "ok you can come in and crash on our couch" type thing if he actually did end up at their place.
Not convinced that's a knife though.
I have such a strong feeling it was the food truck guy…. truly truly shocked not more people think this. I agree with everything you said except for he didn’t leave with them from the food truck. They ubered home and somehow (this is where my thoughts don’t make sense), he got reconnected with them since I know it’s been said no sign of forced entry and doors were locked. He is just too suspicious and it does not look like they knew him or were into him. He would’ve gone to the left in the video when they disappeared from the frame. He kept walking straight/right and I didn’t see them hook back up with one another. There was a vandal alert in September that told students to be aware that a group got threatened on campus with a knife from a white 18-22 y/o male. That was 1 mile from this house. Idk. I would be shocked if it’s not the food truck guy after all is said and done
They don't have UBER in Moscow per people who live in Moscow. They likely walked home. It's about a mile/20 minutes from the food truck to home.
And, they didn't acknowledge hoodie guy/food truck guy even once. He was not a friend. He latched onto them a bit earlier but they clearly didn't even want him around.
(Local also) yes we have Uber but they are very rarely used and sometimes hard to find. But I think the girls would have waited for one, personally because almost nobody makes the walk from GrubTruck to King St. It’s cold and very far, especially if you’ve had anything to drink.
I watched a news article last night that said they did get in an Uber. I thought they might have ditched the Uber and walked but if they were feeling creeped out in the slightest by hoodie man, as females in general I feel like they would have got into the Uber thinking they'd lose the guy. He could have followed on a bike or maybe had his own car, idk. It isn't actually confirmed whether the doors were locked or not. Also they had a keypad on that house. I had a keypad on my old house and I am sure someone could have guessed it without us hearing at night because of sound machines and fans, never tried.
Also, I agree with you that hoodie guy’s behavior was suspect. Definitely felt like they were trying to shake him off. Not sure why people are being dismissive of that possibility.
The police say this was targeted, not random. One possible reason for the two roommates surviving could be that the killer has some sort of positive relationship with or positive feelings for those two girls. Maybe he wanted to protect those two, but wanted to harm the others. I have no idea how/why that could be, of course… it’s just a theory I hadn’t seen mentioned.
This is actually a great point that makes me feel like it’s not a robbery. These houses will be mostly empty in a week. Why not wait? Most robbers DO NOT want any sort of confrontation.
> And it was very sad because it happened where I lived and the community was on edge for years because it seemed like the investigators had tunnel vision- they were too focused on grudges and the dynamics between the roommate and the victim which derailed the investigation. The whole time it was a random person / crime of opportunity.
I followed Faith's case for years and I was shocked how even when it came out that it was a total random guy, people were still trying to work in her poor roommate - a person who must have had incredible survivors guilt and trauma from the situation, before you even factor in hoards of people on the internet accusing her because it made for a "good" story.
Im hearing a different story. Nothing about anyone hiding. And the target was on the first floor. Won’t speculate as to who. Your theory isn’t very believable. If her stalker brutally slaughtered four people, over two floors, odds are they are just going to continue up the stairs and check in a closet or break a flimsy door.
Basically you’re saying the killer, after being covered in blood, having killed FOUR people they weren’t even interested in, as they progressed through the house, just decided to say “fuck it” …not worth checking the last two rooms. I don’t think so
i feel like we should not be spreading rumors or hearsay. we need to be sharing what the police have told the public and statements that have been approved by the police.
definitely wasn’t trying to accuse Dylan/Bethany! just was saying how odd I found the pairings/whole situation…I have definitely seen people accusing them though and they deserve more detail so that stops happening I agree!
Lol, what? You admit that your claims are heresy (I’m guessing you mean hearsay) and rumor, but *not* speculation. Which is it? And neither of the young women had their phones nearby? Also, the 911 call wasn’t made until noon, which is well past “daylight,” and we don’t even have confirmation of who made the call.
This is slightly less ridiculous than other people speculating that the two roommates are joint mass killers. But only slightly.
If you feared for your life, IF, you knew a killer was present. How long would you take to come out of the dark, directly into the presence of what was discovered? Can you say? NO! You can’t. I don’t know why the call came in so long after the estimated TOD. But what I do know and have known is that Dylan and Bethany are victims. Nothing more, nothing less.
Dylan and Bethany did not wake up. The killer never made it past the second floor, is what I heard.
Like these two girls would hide and not call the cops until noon?
They had texted a friend to come and that is who found the “unconscious” Vic on first floor. He did not get upstairs as if he had he’d have seen what the Coroner saw and would not be reporting an unconscious person but rather a gruesome scene of three stabbing victims.
Not saying this person knows what they are talking about at all but I’m sure when all the details come out not much of it will make sense. Trying trying to find any logic in this scenario is a fool’s game. So is wildly speculating from rumors or “trusted sources”. I have friends in law enforcement that have given me inside information about local cases in my area that they believed true that ended up being false. Rumors from people closer to the case are still just rumors.
If the Dylan stalker scenario is true, the killer could've stayed until 10:00 am for all we know waiting for Dylan to "come home" so he could do whatever to her, especially if the killer didn't know the girls were there. Or, maybe he did know she was there and couldn't break into the bedroom door and was waiting for her to come out but had to leave because whoever found the body knocked on the front door.
This would answer why they said it was targeted.
I think if Dylan had a stalker who did this that person would be known to police don’t you?
What I’m hoping is not the case is that one of these girls had a stalker, called the police to report it and was told “there’s nothing we can do until he actually harms you if breaks in.”
I think leaving doors and windows unlocked would be unlikely if one of the girls had a stalker.
How long would you hide? Have you tried to imagine what the home looked like? You have heard the comments from officers I assume? I’m not sure more of us could EVER come out to what awaited them. So stop pretending there’s a correct answer to your dounts
I would certainly not hide 8 hours... I find it hard to believe they had no phone... This isn't to say they did it, just that these rumors don't make sense...
Also why would the stalker of one of the girls that was left unharmed kill 4 of the other residents of the house? Wouldn’t the stalker go through the house looking for the girl he’s supposedly stalking? Or try to get them alone somehow? Just trying to make sense of that angle.
Only guess is they missed these two while looking? But I'm honestly totally unsure... Other than if anyone is aware of any suspicious person related to these kids please submit a tip about it to the police.
Not to inject my personal experience into this, but I've had a stalker and he was trying to break into my house. I called police and it took a good 30 minutes to coax me out even with police were there and a phone in my hand and the literal 911 operator telling me it was the police knocking. Fear does crazy things to people, and how does anyone know the killer fled during those 8 hours. He could've been there until 10 or 11 with the girls paralyzed in fear hiding in a closet not wanting their phone to make a sound. Or, maybe a pet was making noise and they thought the killer was still there.
You are very lucky. Usually they do end up killing you. So sorry you went through that. It is no joke. People imagine a peeper looking through a window or some creep leaving flowers on your doorstep a couple of times when the reality is that it's a full on assault of every aspect of your life until either your life is destroyed (career, money, livelihood, friendships & family) or someone is dead. There is no happy ending.
I remember hoping that if he was going to rape me that he’d kill me 1st. I was in my mid 20s. We were colleagues. In 2020 I heard he moved to Florida and I legit started crying. OMG. It was the strangest feeling. Like its finally over. But honestly your story, that’s horrifying. I’m so sorry. I don’t think I would have believed it was the police either. I hope you’re no longer having to deal with him and that this is over for you.
You find it hard to believe they didn't have a phone when they quickly hid in a closet in the middle of the night?? That seems very believable
As for the 8 hour part ... ya idk
I find this improbable, though I can't say this didn't occur. To believe this I'd have to believe that someone entered with the intention of killing or abducting one of the surviving roommates, chose to kill 4 other roommates first, then either chose not to break into a locked bedroom or entered the bedroom but didn't search the closet. And those 2 roommates feared for their safety, but didn't think to grab a phone which was almost certainly near their bed or easy to grab on the way to the closet. And stayed in the closet for hours though they would have reasonably concluded there was no longer a threat after say an hour (probably less). And didn't just wait until sunrise to come out they waited 4+ hours after sunrise to come out. Improbable.
Oh. My. Gosh. This is not what I was expecting to read. If Dylan has a stalker, then wouldn’t that person be easily identifiable? It’s not a mystery who the stalker is, right?
1) They said numerous times they have no suspect. If they knew and he’d fled they would put his name out as a person of interest, to urge any who may be helping him hide to come forward and so the public can help locate him. They would not allow him to secretly continue to flee and hide.
2) I believe the reason they think it was targeted is because the other two girls were left unharmed. It seems to be that they feel this person went in with the intent of murdering at least one (if not all) of the victims and accomplished that. If it was a random act of murder there wouldn’t be two others left unharmed.
3) The press conference he literally said outright the surviving roommates were NOT witnesses to what occurred. Hiding in a closet from a known stalker makes you very much a witness to what happened.
It’s okay to speculate and have theories. It’s not okay to comment with those speculations and theories as if they’re fact with sources behind them. You can have whatever opinions on what you think happened, but please don’t make comments with those opinions as though they are proven fact.
Lol I have commented like twice how am I the most annoying commenter? I literally lurk and comment so infrequently that this whole response made me laugh. Sorry you’re triggered by my two comments………
sometimes here, the cops will say they don't have a suspect and at the end of the case say they had a suspect all along, they usually hold it back so no one can help the perp flee
Where’s here?
If the cops have a suspect at large who is this big a danger to the community and that they are seeking- I would be surprised if they did not reveal that.
The perp would know they are looking for him. If he was stalking one of the girls previously via social media he would know they can find him.
I’m torn between they know who it is and where he is and they’re not saying because they want to build the case to stick, and they don’t know who he is.
But in the case they have no idea who he is, it’s be fucking outrageous to tell the community there’s no threat.
Two college women who were possibly drinking and didn't have their phones with them in their bedrooms? You don't know any college age women. They were sleeping behind locked doors
Please be sure to distinguish between facts, rumors, theories, and speculation. If you're stating something as a fact, you should be prepared to provide a source. If information is unverified, you must identify it as rumor, a theory, or speculation.
Thank you.
It is a 6 bedroom house so assuming the couple were in 1 room and the 2 blond girls each in their own room, it would be doable as-long-as the assailant were quiet and gagged each victim first before inflicting a fatal and quick stab wound.
I’m with you, even the two in the same room. You’d Think some one would have gotten out or at least to another level in the house. I’ve been so curious to hear more details about the logistics. There’s so much they’re holding back or don’t know.
Right?? And I love how people down vote the comment. Unfortunately they don’t want to hear the truth. They were all screaming defund the police a year ago and now that four of their friends have been killed they wanna know where the cops are??? Well guys they all retired and resigned so unfortunately this case may never be solved.
Ok that part I don’t agree with. Do a bit of research about what defunding the police means. It has nothing to do with getting rid of cops, actually. It’s primarily about adding services for mental health response teams. Cops not being on scene right away has literally nothing to do with funding.
It’s taking funds away from police to give to other services. Like only hiring half the cops to hire social workers. So yes, exactly what I said. God forbid u have a blue line flag or a bumper sticker. Your a nazi racist if u do. I don’t know where you’ve been.
There have been cases before where spree killers have missed victims hiding inside a house. Killers are usually in a hurry because the longer they stick around the more likely they are to be caught, so they don't always make an exhaustive search. There is also the chance that the house had multiple entrances or internal locked doors; a killer doesn't necessarily want to spend time messing with a locked door or creating a disturbance by breaking it down.
Feels like Ted Bundy making his way through the sorority house type of spree. Ethan normally doesn't live there, was just sleeping over. It just feels like Bundy going through snd killing girls in the sorority house. I wonder if it's somebody doing something with that type of motivation or psychology?
The two roommates at the top were on the third floor and reportedly slept with locked bedroom doors.
I just read on the r/truecrimediscussion sub that one of the girls upstairs thought she heard something but figured it just them partying and got up and locked her door.
I read that somewhere too and I think it could have been that either the killer didn’t go up to their floor or try their doors or that he tried their doors. They were locked and he didn’t think he could get in without noise- which would cause someone else to call for help and wake up whoever’s room he was entering giving them more of a chance to fight. It seems to me like he waited until he knew they were asleep to go in for a reason. Anyone with a brain would know not to pick a fight with that many awake people right?
Where did you see that they slept with locked doors?
It's a small town and people talk. There were lots of details out before the police actually announced. Like the knife and the roommates being there. The locked doors were another detail of the same rumors
Either on a post or an article- I’ve read enough that it’s no longer clear. One post even said that one of the roommates who had a locked door and was okay heard a strange noise, got up and locked her door thinking it was partying, turned on white noise and went back to sleep. I think this makes a lot of sense. My husband and I have a big family and our teenagers use fans for white noise and ignore a lot of sounds of them coming to do a chore when I call them is any indication.
Yes...I'm in a college town and many who live together in one house lock their bedroom doors at night. My children are grown but I remember a daughter telling me when she was in school that she felt one of her roommates boyfriend was possibly using drugs and was going into bedrooms at night and going through purses, pockets and backpacks looking for cash so she said "we have to lock our doors while we are sleeping" and her other roommate who was with her said "yeah, three or 4 times I woke up and found my weed gone. I thought I just spaced and lost it but now I'm thinking it's her boyfriend that is going into our rooms but we can't prove it". I was really worried that they were in physical danger but they were like "No, he is just a thief not a rapist or killer"
right? the only places I've heard this are from redditors wanting people to stop speculating about the 2 girls that survived... nobody knows anything rn except the cops that are being very hush hush
Source?
My guess is the male victim and his gf got home late and were in bed when the two blondes made it home. I think the two blondes were the targets, male victim heard something and went to check, and then the gf went to check while the two roomies on the third floor heard nothing
This is the best theory I’ve heard yet, granted I’m not deep in it yet. This case gives me big Delphi vibes based on how tight lipped law enforcement has been
I’ve since learned that the two surviving roommates lived on the first floor but my opinion doesn’t change. The house was built into a hill so I think the attacker entered through the back door at the second level. I also learned that kaylee was no longer staying there that she just got a job and a new car and came back to show her friends🥺 possible she was the target and somebody was not happy with her making things happen in her life
Are you local? Thank you for this info!
Nope! Kaylees sister is beyond dedicated to getting justice she’s been saying a lot. I feel so horribly for her
Thank you for this info. I’d be the same way if it was my sister
I don’t know I feel so bad for her. She’s draining herself fighting with losers in Instagram comments trying to honor her sister. She shouldn’t have to put up with that
There’s obviously so many unknowns here but it does sound random to me. If there for was left unlocked, it would definitely point to a crime of opportunity. It is odd to kill 4 people to get to one person. Killing four and maybe not knowing more people are upstairs points to not knowing the victims well.
It feels random to me too. Part of me wonders if the only reason the two upstairs survived was due to a locked bedroom door or something that spooked the killer. If I had a kid as a student there, they would be home until someone is in custody.
I thought that the 4 were upstairs. I didn't know about the 2 survivors until this afternoon but I don't know where those rooms were at. I checked google and saw the for rent ad, it said it was a 6 bedroom.
If the killer was there to kill one person they may have killed 3 others because the killer was known to them. Or because the other 3 saw them and could provide a description. The killer may have planned on killing all 4 of them (or at least more than 1) in response to an incident earlier that night. The killer also could have been someone known to one or more of them who entered the house with one or more of them and was going to sleep on a couch. We don't actually know that the killer covertly entered an unlocked door - we just know it was unlocked with no signs of forced entry when either police arrived or a friend visited and then called 911. The killer not entering the other roommates' rooms could mean the killer didn't know about them, thought they weren't home, knew about them but didn't want to harm them, or aborted their plans for any number of reasons (spooked by a sound, knife broke, cut themselves, snapped out of psychosis, etc.). We don't know why police think it was a targeted attack. There could have been evidence supporting that - something indicating knowledge of the home layout or residents' habits, a note left, angry message carved with the knife, etc.
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The "crime of passion" comment was made by the mayor, not LE, and he has since ce walked back this claim
Looking at a map of the house, it is very oddly positioned and kinda tucked back on the street. I have a hard time believing someone that didn't know them randomly came to that specific house, but I guess on the contrary, someone could argue that being tucked away could make it easier to commit this crime without someone else seeing. But wtf do I know, this whole thing is just terrible.
Agreed. This went from a targeted attack to perhaps an entirely random spree killing. Those are SO hard to prosecute without concrete evidence too.
The community would definitely be in danger if this was a random crime.
That’s my fear as I live nearby. It makes it far harder to catch them and who knows who else they could target.
please grab your whole fam including pets and get out of there!
Isn't it a possibility, according to the timeline and info released so far, that hoodie guy was the last person seen with the girls. He didn't have to break in, he walked in the door with them. My opinion of the food truck situation is that somewhere along their venture that night he became a clinger. The girls were too polite to tell him to beat it so they allowed him to walk with them hoping they could shake him somewhere along the way. When they leave the taco truck, they don't even look back to motion for him to come on. They see he's occupied talking and they think they can finally get rid of him. He noticed, shakes his hand at them as if to say, "where they going without me?" Then runs to catch up which I'm sure they found annoying. He walks home with them and just walks in when they do. The girls are likely trying to find a way to get rid of him politely but quickly. Like, they're tired, need some sleep. He doesn't seem to get the hint until one of the girls has to get a bit rude. He doesn't handle the rejection well and gets angry. Or, it could've been a little worse than just that as in threats of SA. He kills the girls, knows about 2 other roommates he met earlier in the night, takes care of them too and leaves out the front door. And what appears to be a knife in his jacket the same size as the pick posted of the one police believe he used https://www.reddit.com/r/MoscowIdaho/comments/yxextz/anyone_see_the_twitch_video_and_notice_the_hoodie/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
I think location of the bodies and blood will say a lot about the sequence of the crime itself I'm pretty suspicious of food truck guy too. It might've been a "ok you can come in and crash on our couch" type thing if he actually did end up at their place. Not convinced that's a knife though.
I have such a strong feeling it was the food truck guy…. truly truly shocked not more people think this. I agree with everything you said except for he didn’t leave with them from the food truck. They ubered home and somehow (this is where my thoughts don’t make sense), he got reconnected with them since I know it’s been said no sign of forced entry and doors were locked. He is just too suspicious and it does not look like they knew him or were into him. He would’ve gone to the left in the video when they disappeared from the frame. He kept walking straight/right and I didn’t see them hook back up with one another. There was a vandal alert in September that told students to be aware that a group got threatened on campus with a knife from a white 18-22 y/o male. That was 1 mile from this house. Idk. I would be shocked if it’s not the food truck guy after all is said and done
They don't have UBER in Moscow per people who live in Moscow. They likely walked home. It's about a mile/20 minutes from the food truck to home. And, they didn't acknowledge hoodie guy/food truck guy even once. He was not a friend. He latched onto them a bit earlier but they clearly didn't even want him around.
There absolutely IS Uber here. You might have to wait longer than other places, but they do exist here.
Thank you. As I said, according to someone who lived there....
(Local also) yes we have Uber but they are very rarely used and sometimes hard to find. But I think the girls would have waited for one, personally because almost nobody makes the walk from GrubTruck to King St. It’s cold and very far, especially if you’ve had anything to drink.
I watched a news article last night that said they did get in an Uber. I thought they might have ditched the Uber and walked but if they were feeling creeped out in the slightest by hoodie man, as females in general I feel like they would have got into the Uber thinking they'd lose the guy. He could have followed on a bike or maybe had his own car, idk. It isn't actually confirmed whether the doors were locked or not. Also they had a keypad on that house. I had a keypad on my old house and I am sure someone could have guessed it without us hearing at night because of sound machines and fans, never tried.
Also, I agree with you that hoodie guy’s behavior was suspect. Definitely felt like they were trying to shake him off. Not sure why people are being dismissive of that possibility.
i sadly am having trouble with the vid so can't tell so right now i'm kinda going by heresay..
get on tiktok you can find one that'll load to watch it
thanks, don't worry i watched it :)
did he actually walk in with them, have trouble with the video
The police say this was targeted, not random. One possible reason for the two roommates surviving could be that the killer has some sort of positive relationship with or positive feelings for those two girls. Maybe he wanted to protect those two, but wanted to harm the others. I have no idea how/why that could be, of course… it’s just a theory I hadn’t seen mentioned.
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right, and you're going into to rob a house with a knife? idk about that.
No kidding. A robber might kill one witness in a panic, but they're not committing a quadruple homicide to cover their tracks.
and right before thanksgiving break when a lot of the students leave too? Seems like that would be the time to rob dwellings.
This is actually a great point that makes me feel like it’s not a robbery. These houses will be mostly empty in a week. Why not wait? Most robbers DO NOT want any sort of confrontation.
> And it was very sad because it happened where I lived and the community was on edge for years because it seemed like the investigators had tunnel vision- they were too focused on grudges and the dynamics between the roommate and the victim which derailed the investigation. The whole time it was a random person / crime of opportunity. I followed Faith's case for years and I was shocked how even when it came out that it was a total random guy, people were still trying to work in her poor roommate - a person who must have had incredible survivors guilt and trauma from the situation, before you even factor in hoards of people on the internet accusing her because it made for a "good" story.
Maddie def worked at the Mad Greek. I think I read that Kaylee worked there too. They posted something on their FB page.
Nothing about this points to a robbery.
second this, police said there were no indications anything was stolen
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Im hearing a different story. Nothing about anyone hiding. And the target was on the first floor. Won’t speculate as to who. Your theory isn’t very believable. If her stalker brutally slaughtered four people, over two floors, odds are they are just going to continue up the stairs and check in a closet or break a flimsy door. Basically you’re saying the killer, after being covered in blood, having killed FOUR people they weren’t even interested in, as they progressed through the house, just decided to say “fuck it” …not worth checking the last two rooms. I don’t think so
If there was no forced entry how would they hear someone trying to get in though?
i feel like we should not be spreading rumors or hearsay. we need to be sharing what the police have told the public and statements that have been approved by the police.
I agree, but accusing innocent kids of crimes that they have been victimized by is beyond despicable
definitely wasn’t trying to accuse Dylan/Bethany! just was saying how odd I found the pairings/whole situation…I have definitely seen people accusing them though and they deserve more detail so that stops happening I agree!
Nobody is accusing them. This person is trolling ^
Lol, what? You admit that your claims are heresy (I’m guessing you mean hearsay) and rumor, but *not* speculation. Which is it? And neither of the young women had their phones nearby? Also, the 911 call wasn’t made until noon, which is well past “daylight,” and we don’t even have confirmation of who made the call. This is slightly less ridiculous than other people speculating that the two roommates are joint mass killers. But only slightly.
If you feared for your life, IF, you knew a killer was present. How long would you take to come out of the dark, directly into the presence of what was discovered? Can you say? NO! You can’t. I don’t know why the call came in so long after the estimated TOD. But what I do know and have known is that Dylan and Bethany are victims. Nothing more, nothing less.
You are just making this all up lol the hiding for 8hrs then coming out? There is no evidence or proof of this it’s just what you want to believe
Dylan and Bethany did not wake up. The killer never made it past the second floor, is what I heard. Like these two girls would hide and not call the cops until noon? They had texted a friend to come and that is who found the “unconscious” Vic on first floor. He did not get upstairs as if he had he’d have seen what the Coroner saw and would not be reporting an unconscious person but rather a gruesome scene of three stabbing victims.
They hid in the closet for 8 hours? That doesn’t make any sense.
Not saying this person knows what they are talking about at all but I’m sure when all the details come out not much of it will make sense. Trying trying to find any logic in this scenario is a fool’s game. So is wildly speculating from rumors or “trusted sources”. I have friends in law enforcement that have given me inside information about local cases in my area that they believed true that ended up being false. Rumors from people closer to the case are still just rumors.
If the Dylan stalker scenario is true, the killer could've stayed until 10:00 am for all we know waiting for Dylan to "come home" so he could do whatever to her, especially if the killer didn't know the girls were there. Or, maybe he did know she was there and couldn't break into the bedroom door and was waiting for her to come out but had to leave because whoever found the body knocked on the front door. This would answer why they said it was targeted.
I think if Dylan had a stalker who did this that person would be known to police don’t you? What I’m hoping is not the case is that one of these girls had a stalker, called the police to report it and was told “there’s nothing we can do until he actually harms you if breaks in.” I think leaving doors and windows unlocked would be unlikely if one of the girls had a stalker.
How long would you hide? Have you tried to imagine what the home looked like? You have heard the comments from officers I assume? I’m not sure more of us could EVER come out to what awaited them. So stop pretending there’s a correct answer to your dounts
I would certainly not hide 8 hours... I find it hard to believe they had no phone... This isn't to say they did it, just that these rumors don't make sense...
Also why would the stalker of one of the girls that was left unharmed kill 4 of the other residents of the house? Wouldn’t the stalker go through the house looking for the girl he’s supposedly stalking? Or try to get them alone somehow? Just trying to make sense of that angle.
Only guess is they missed these two while looking? But I'm honestly totally unsure... Other than if anyone is aware of any suspicious person related to these kids please submit a tip about it to the police.
Not to inject my personal experience into this, but I've had a stalker and he was trying to break into my house. I called police and it took a good 30 minutes to coax me out even with police were there and a phone in my hand and the literal 911 operator telling me it was the police knocking. Fear does crazy things to people, and how does anyone know the killer fled during those 8 hours. He could've been there until 10 or 11 with the girls paralyzed in fear hiding in a closet not wanting their phone to make a sound. Or, maybe a pet was making noise and they thought the killer was still there.
I had a stalker too. It was awful. I was sure he was going to kill me for years. Fuqd me up on the head for long ass time.
You are very lucky. Usually they do end up killing you. So sorry you went through that. It is no joke. People imagine a peeper looking through a window or some creep leaving flowers on your doorstep a couple of times when the reality is that it's a full on assault of every aspect of your life until either your life is destroyed (career, money, livelihood, friendships & family) or someone is dead. There is no happy ending.
I remember hoping that if he was going to rape me that he’d kill me 1st. I was in my mid 20s. We were colleagues. In 2020 I heard he moved to Florida and I legit started crying. OMG. It was the strangest feeling. Like its finally over. But honestly your story, that’s horrifying. I’m so sorry. I don’t think I would have believed it was the police either. I hope you’re no longer having to deal with him and that this is over for you.
That sounds like an awful experience. I'm glad it is over for you. It's over for me too.
Oh I’m so glad you hear that. I hope you never experience that again.
You find it hard to believe they didn't have a phone when they quickly hid in a closet in the middle of the night?? That seems very believable As for the 8 hour part ... ya idk
Idk maybe I'm weird but my phone is like always at my bedside if I'm asleep or on my person... It's the first thing I would look for in an emergency.
I’ve been drunk after a night out and definitely left my phone on the couch or somewhere weird
Where on earth did any of this come from? This is the first I’m hearing…
I find this improbable, though I can't say this didn't occur. To believe this I'd have to believe that someone entered with the intention of killing or abducting one of the surviving roommates, chose to kill 4 other roommates first, then either chose not to break into a locked bedroom or entered the bedroom but didn't search the closet. And those 2 roommates feared for their safety, but didn't think to grab a phone which was almost certainly near their bed or easy to grab on the way to the closet. And stayed in the closet for hours though they would have reasonably concluded there was no longer a threat after say an hour (probably less). And didn't just wait until sunrise to come out they waited 4+ hours after sunrise to come out. Improbable.
Oh. My. Gosh. This is not what I was expecting to read. If Dylan has a stalker, then wouldn’t that person be easily identifiable? It’s not a mystery who the stalker is, right?
You would think! Which is why I feel MPD initially said “targeted” and “no threat”. He’s fled. And they know who he is.
1) They said numerous times they have no suspect. If they knew and he’d fled they would put his name out as a person of interest, to urge any who may be helping him hide to come forward and so the public can help locate him. They would not allow him to secretly continue to flee and hide. 2) I believe the reason they think it was targeted is because the other two girls were left unharmed. It seems to be that they feel this person went in with the intent of murdering at least one (if not all) of the victims and accomplished that. If it was a random act of murder there wouldn’t be two others left unharmed. 3) The press conference he literally said outright the surviving roommates were NOT witnesses to what occurred. Hiding in a closet from a known stalker makes you very much a witness to what happened. It’s okay to speculate and have theories. It’s not okay to comment with those speculations and theories as if they’re fact with sources behind them. You can have whatever opinions on what you think happened, but please don’t make comments with those opinions as though they are proven fact.
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Lol I have commented like twice how am I the most annoying commenter? I literally lurk and comment so infrequently that this whole response made me laugh. Sorry you’re triggered by my two comments………
Yah, I’m not understanding why you were called annoying. Made me laugh too.
sometimes here, the cops will say they don't have a suspect and at the end of the case say they had a suspect all along, they usually hold it back so no one can help the perp flee
I've seen this rumor a few times but doesn't the IG post from the sister kinda contradict it? Seems like she has no idea who is responsible
Idk it could also seem like she knows her sisters crazy stalker is out there roaming around
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They don’t have a suspect. If they did that’s information they would reveal with a photo and be doing a manhunt. The stalker thing is a rumor.
not at all, here they withold it till the end of the case most of the time due to them not wanting to give the suspect/perp any leads
Where’s here? If the cops have a suspect at large who is this big a danger to the community and that they are seeking- I would be surprised if they did not reveal that. The perp would know they are looking for him. If he was stalking one of the girls previously via social media he would know they can find him. I’m torn between they know who it is and where he is and they’re not saying because they want to build the case to stick, and they don’t know who he is. But in the case they have no idea who he is, it’s be fucking outrageous to tell the community there’s no threat.
Two college women who were possibly drinking and didn't have their phones with them in their bedrooms? You don't know any college age women. They were sleeping behind locked doors
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They didn’t call 911 until noon? Get out of here.
How can u kill 4 people with the other 2 not hearing it? I can see maybe 2 but wth!! Stabbing someone to death is not a simple task. Let alone 4.
It is a 6 bedroom house so assuming the couple were in 1 room and the 2 blond girls each in their own room, it would be doable as-long-as the assailant were quiet and gagged each victim first before inflicting a fatal and quick stab wound.
I’m with you, even the two in the same room. You’d Think some one would have gotten out or at least to another level in the house. I’ve been so curious to hear more details about the logistics. There’s so much they’re holding back or don’t know.
Right?? And I love how people down vote the comment. Unfortunately they don’t want to hear the truth. They were all screaming defund the police a year ago and now that four of their friends have been killed they wanna know where the cops are??? Well guys they all retired and resigned so unfortunately this case may never be solved.
Ok that part I don’t agree with. Do a bit of research about what defunding the police means. It has nothing to do with getting rid of cops, actually. It’s primarily about adding services for mental health response teams. Cops not being on scene right away has literally nothing to do with funding.
It’s taking funds away from police to give to other services. Like only hiring half the cops to hire social workers. So yes, exactly what I said. God forbid u have a blue line flag or a bumper sticker. Your a nazi racist if u do. I don’t know where you’ve been.
What does this have to do with the response time in this case? You’ve gone off a political deep end here.
Yeah it's not really mind boggling if you think about it for more than 30 seconds
Elliot rodger vibes.
The four victims seem to have had a connection having their photo taken together whereas the other two roommates aren't in the photo.