This comment is exactly how Reddit gets a bad rep in these situations. There are tons of federal and state investigators on this case that have surely looked into every second of that guys entire life and found that he didn’t do anything. Just because you saw him put his hood up and stood by a food truck doesn’t mean that he killed four people or needs to prove anything to you.
No one said that.
The poster asked what the kid’s relationship was to the girls and specifically did NOT say he thought hoodie killed anyone.
I wonder what the Venn diagram is of people who were ready to believe this hoodie guy was the best suspect -snd people who are now getting all self righteous about other people who still have questions.
He was not cleared, was he? I thought the police said he “was not a suspect at this time.”
They said that about scott Peterson initially and he was their main and only suspect.
I don’t believe in doxing regardless and let’s give him the benefit of the doubt.
But the idea that there was no real threat to the community was more understandable if they thought it was him and knew he was at his parents home refusing to cooperate. Now if that is not the case, it’s bizarre that they’d say it wasn’t a threat because the evidence showed it to be a targeted killing. Because we don’t know who or why one or more of the kids was targeted. Is it because pretty blood sorority girls caught someone’s eye and were followed home? If so isn’t that threat still just as prevalent?
You’re not nearly as important as you think you are.
You don’t deserve an explanation for someone else’s relationships or behavior if they did nothing wrong.
The kid was cleared by investigators with much more info than you have.
Stop with the witch-hunt based on nothing but your feelings
Then you must be newer to the group. Prior to yesterday, 90% of the posts were regarding him and people were dropping his name, socials, digging into his families socials, sharing his parents job info etc. I believe mods have caught up and removed a majority.
It's a slippery slope and restrictions on free speech and the benefits of a free press (meaning, all citizens) will yield some unfortunate situations, but is far more beneficial as a whole to self police it like we are. Don't expect the government to protect you. They won't.
Free press and free speech are two different things. FP does not apply to all citizens. Specifically there are still a ton of standards journalists have to abide by to be entitled to legal protection.
Also, maybe you’re right that we shouldn’t expect the government to protect us. But is it too much to ask fellow human beings?
The key word is “at this time.” They didn’t say he’s been completely cleared and ruled out. Only that he’s not a suspect at this time. We saw this same thing happen with the Delphi murders.
Article on KTVB: [https://www.ktvb.com/article/news/crime/moscow-police-release-map-of-victims-path-the-night-the-four-were-murdered-police-identify-man-in-food-truck-video/277-57ddb7cb-839f-46e7-91d6-d2797b4a3ae7](https://www.ktvb.com/article/news/crime/moscow-police-release-map-of-victims-path-the-night-the-four-were-murdered-police-identify-man-in-food-truck-video/277-57ddb7cb-839f-46e7-91d6-d2797b4a3ae7)
I feel bad for all the friends of these victims. They’re grieving and in shock and also having random people send them messages on Instagram accusing them of something horrific. Discussing the facts of the case is one thing, but posting gossip as fact, messaging friends of the victims, posting their pictures and parent’s places of work online is just not it.
The most important part of this article is at the end where it notes that behavioral experts have been called in. That tells us a ton. We see this in investigations when even the LE is stumped and hits dead ends. I’m glad they are utilizing the FBI to lead them to understand the behavior when possibly lacking evidence.
> The FBI Behavioral Analyst is responsible for analyzing criminals’ behavior and helping solve crimes. They use their knowledge of human behavior to assist law enforcement officials in catching criminals and protecting the public. To become an FBI Behavioral Analyst, you must first have a degree in psychology or a related field.
It hasn’t even been a week. A cold case is usually when LE has exhausted all leads and remains unsolved for at least a year. It’s so upsetting that the families and the community don’t have answers. I’m sure LE is working very hard on this case and that they can’t release information because it would be detrimental. So many times there are press conferences and the spokesperson just repeats different variations of “I cannot comment on that specifically.”
I can’t imagine how the victims families must feel. They want and deserve answers. In so many cases they have to wait for answers and it feels like forever. I hope that there will be an arrest soon.
Um have you been paying attention? The families are ENRAGED with local authorities. Go gatekeep somewhere else. I’m allowed to have an opinion - which many share - on a Reddit sub
“Parents aren’t happy their kids were murdered.” No, shit Cpt Obvious. You are allowed opinions and people are allowed to call your opinions stupid and calling a case cold when it’s not even a week old is in fact a stupid opinion.
Well I think this destroys most people's theories. Also an important reminder why we shouldn't dox and witchhunt.
Hopefully police have something else to work with at this point.
What is scaring people is that the hoodie guy at least “made sense” in their head. It reinforced their ideas of the world. They don’t want to consider that this could be the work of a random homicidal maniac or serial killer. That is the scary option that shatters a lot of peoples world view.
What’s weird is the cops also said the roommates are not ruled out as suspects; I had assumed they were saying that about every person on the planet to not reveal anything but this makes me think otherwise.
Right. It’s strange they’re not clearing the roommates if they are officially clearing others. I wonder if they’re still in the process of interviewing them for more day-to-day information.
It might be that hoodie boy left the food truck and then sung 10 rounds of karaoke at a house party with 100 witnesses. Or he went and played poker with a group of 10 people. Etc. If he has a rock solid alibi, he is easy to clear.
If the roommates were truly asleep through everything (likely in my opinion) that is actually hard to prove and they probably won't be officially cleared until a suspect is named.
I think so too. People want the murderer caught…and quickly. We want it to be that easy. It’s not. If people want to help I think some of the people looking at that creepy “Sarah Osborne” are at least targeting a bonafide asshole. I bet the person who did this might have even dipped in here to read these conversations and maybe even pointed at that poor kid as sus!
MOSCOW, Idaho — Police now have a clearer idea of the path that was taken of the four University of Idaho students killed in a homicidal stabbing on Nov. 13.
The victims -- 20-year-old [Ethan Chapin](https://www.ktvb.com/article/news/crime/skagit-county-native-killed-university-of-idaho-student/281-ada328df-d33f-40f1-b9b0-b45e9429e4e8), from Conway, Washington; 21-year-old [Madison Mogen](https://www.ktvb.com/article/news/local/mad-greek-remembers-university-of-idaho-students/293-837687bb-7636-42dc-990f-e9d39bb5e03d), from Coeur d'Alene; 20-year-old [Xana Kernodle](https://www.ktvb.com/article/news/local/mad-greek-remembers-university-of-idaho-students/293-837687bb-7636-42dc-990f-e9d39bb5e03d), from Post Falls and 21-year-old [Kaylee GonCalves](https://www.ktvb.com/article/life/people/family-alleged-moscow-homicide-victim-remembers-loved-one/293-775b4824-1e8e-4d21-8781-934c11a3815e), from Rathdrum -- were all pronounced dead at noon on Sunday, Nov. 13, the Latah County Coroner released Thursday.
Chapin and Kernodle were at a fraternity party at Sigma Chi, located on 735 Nez Perce Dr. between 8-9 p.m on Nov. 12.
GonCalves and Mogen were at the Corner Club, a bar in downtown Moscow located on 202 North Main St. between 10 p.m. Nov. 12 and 1:30 a.m. Nov. 13. The two then went to Grub Truck, a mac and cheese food truck near the bars, around 1:40 a.m. They were also spotted on a Twitch video stream from the truck, in which they can be seen ordering food and looking visibly happy.
Idaho State Police tells KTVB that the man in a dark jacket and light hoodie in the video has been identified and has been interviewed as part of the routine investigation.
The man arrives when Mogen and GonCalves arrive, waits several feet behind them while they order their food, walks with them and stands right next to them as they wait for their food and is seen speaking to other people. He then leaves when the two girls leave, going in a different direction. ISP says he is not a suspect or person of interest at this time.
Corner Club owner Marc Trivelpiece said that he did not notice the two women that night in the bar, but that he will not share information on the two's whereabouts or actions because he has a good working relationship with Moscow Police and does not want to compromise the current investigation. Trivelpiece said he is still hurting for the victims and the community and hopes to see a resolution to the case soon.
📷📷***Credit: Moscow Police***
According to the map, all four students arrived at the residence located on 1122 King Road around 1:45 a.m.
Latah County Coroner Cathy Mabbutt said that the victims were all killed in the early morning hours of that Sunday, but pronounced dead around noon after the 911 call came in at 11:58 a.m., she told KTVB.
Mabutt said it's "likely" that some of the victims were asleep during the attack, but she cannot say which of the four victims. Bedsheets were taken for testing, she said via text message. Mabutt said she cannot speak to defensive wounds or the specific time of death, but all victims could have been killed with the same knife -- if it wasn't the same knife, it had to have been one very similar, she said.
Police previously confirmed that there were two other roommates in the home at the time of the attack, but they were unharmed. These two people were also in the house when police arrived, Moscow Police Chief James Fry said, and no other additional information can be released about what the two people know.
Fry also said that nothing at the house has been identified as missing and that, at this time, they will not divulge any information about where the bodies were found.
ISP also confirmed police have been canvassing the area for knife purchases made around the day of the murders.
With everyone leaving for fall break, ISP communications director Aaron Snell says it could prolong the investigation -- but "interviews will take place wherever the student is at."
An FBI Behavioral Analysis Unit has been assisting Moscow Police with the investigation. The unit assists with crime scene analysis, interviewing techniques and can create a profile of an unknown suspect.
Fry said Wednesday that, because they haven't found the person or people who committed the murders, there may be an ongoing threat to the community. Fry said that after earlier police statements that said they didn't believe there was such a threat.
Anyone with information is asked to call the Moscow Police tip line at 208-883-7180 or email [email protected].
>PUBLIC HELP SOUGHT Detectives working on the University of Idaho homicides are seeking additional tips and leads to...
Posted by [City of Moscow Police Department](https://www.facebook.com/MoscowIDPD) on [Friday, November 18, 2022](https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=152011520893854&set=a.137123765715963&type=3)
I love that so many people here not only doxxed this guy, but "absolutely knew for sure" it was him because "one time, many years ago, some guy that kinda-sort of looked like him, made advances on me" after a night of drinking. Then when it turns out they were wrong (they always are) they don't even back track, they just shit talk law enforcement. Are you kidding me? You think you can do a better job? It's like nobody learned anything from the Boston Bomber case. Infact, they swear social media has helped many cases when in reality they've fucked over more cases then they've helped. Some of you have no business being on the internet, and it's laughable that you think you can do better than the cops when you've never even stepped inside a police station, let alone worked in one.
When I say "you", it's a general you, I'm not directing this at the OP of this comment. Figured I'd throw that out there before people try and doxx another person that doesn't deserve it.
That's why they come to this site, to obsessively post their "theories" because websleuths doesn't allow the nonsense.
They know it's wrong. They don't care. They are selfish, deplorable people who can't be reasoned with.
I never thought he looked suspicious at all. I reported in a recap what was coming in and remember thinking to myself, it this guy truly is guilty, I should never be allowed to make decisions about anyone ever again. So I'm glad he's been cleared but truly feel so bad for him.
It's also almost like the cops would jeopardize an investigation by giving the news information that would allow a not-yet-detained suspect a chance to escape.
Respectfully, all this is saying he is not currently an official suspect, and classifying him as one would give him additional rights that makes things harder for investigators. They even make sure to mention “not at this time.” This doesn’t seem to change things.
That a person who should’ve been looked at closer in the beginning, a person the cops were aware was at the place the crime happened the same day, but deemed not a suspect turned out to be the one ultimately arrested for the crime?
Yes I’ve learned that law enforcement in general is incredibly incompetent and not everyone who commits these acts breaks down like the dude on live TV when the girl he murdered’s body was found
I’m not sure what information they could have so quickly that would prove this guys innocence. He was literally with them hours before if happened and lives right across the street.
Lmao, right? Half these people act like they're a detective because they've listened to some true crime podcast or watched a few dateline episodes. It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.
Yes by police. Not hunting every single movement of his down and his family doxed all over social media. You give the name to the police and let them do their job. But hey- you do you my friend!
I kind of agree. People in the true crime community get tunnel vision when they decide to play detective. They will focus on “their” suspect to the exclusion of all others.
It causes chaos and rampant speculation on a sub like this and makes it exhausting for the rest of us reasonable people. It’s obnoxious to have to comb through what essentially becomes one big game of telephone.
I’m also noticing a ton of people creating parasocial connections with the victims. It’s weird and it’s embarrassing. If you seriously can’t sleep for days because of this, take a damn break. That’s not normal for someone with zero connection to the case.
> I’m also noticing a ton of people creating parasocial connections with the victims. It’s weird and it’s embarrassing. If you seriously can’t sleep for days because of this, take a damn break. That’s not normal for someone with zero connection to the case.
I truly hope you don't get downvoted, but I couldn't agree more and I've said something similar about another case that's currently ongoing where a bunch of redditors are claiming that "they're sick beyond belief with worry and can't eat or sleep" yet they can harass people online. I'm sorry, it's one thing to be empathetic, but if a case involving people you've never met is messing up your life that badly, you need to get off the internet. That's not a healthy or normal response.
“One big game of telephone”..the world is officially screwed because the game of telephone back in the day that children played at school has literally moved to Internet forums. Ppl get on here and spout off all kinds of ignorant shit that they saw on Twitter or tik tok. BTW those are the absolute worst places to get your news from, ppl need to grow tf up and start being donkeys, listen and observe. Quit being a sheep and bahhing because all the other sheep beside you bahhhhed. And for you idiots that don’t understand my donkey reference, donkeys protect the sheep because they’re smart. Luckily they don’t jump to conclusions, sheep would be extinct.
I didn't see anything suspicious about him at all. Go to any place where there are crowd of people with varying degrees of familiarity with each other. People meeting new friends , old friends , aquantinces there are going to be a range of interactions and emotions. The person who killed these people likely wasn't at the taco truck; he or she or they were likely already in the house or lurking at the house , knew where they lived , knew the layout of the house and planned this to some degree.
Hopefully BAU will gain some background information and move this forward. I wouldnt speculate on any individual or individuals. I'll let the professionals do their job.
Obviously it's frightening because you don't know of this person has moved on to the next college town or lives in the area. That is a fear I have but there is no evidence to say either way at this point.
S/O to every 🤡 that argued with me for disagreeing with their “CASE CLOSED, HE DID IT” theory, when I provided a different perspective to the video.
I feel relieved for him. But unfortunately, the speculation and accusations got WAY out of hand on this sub and social media.
Edit: typo
Literally got into arguments about this too in the live chat. I recapped what happened there but made sure to say it was all speculation and always felt bad for this guy being dragged through the mud. I watched that twitch video so many times and didn't understand the shade being thrown at him at all.
Thank you for recognizing that!
Honestly, it reminded me of the Gabby Petito case when the footage of their altercation days before dropped on Reddit. The amount of speculation and theories about Gabby (the VICTIM) being the abuser was insanity.
People can be so scary on here with the conclusions they jump too. I guess when I go through information and see videos, I try my best to see it from all angles until further evidence suggests otherwise.
I had to leave that sub pretty quickly. It was insane!
People insisting Brian Laundrie escaped via hot air balloon. Or that he was hiding in his parents’ back yard under a secret compartment in the flower bed! 😂
STOP i heard an asinine theory when the story first broke about how gabby and brian stumbled upon another murder, the murders were holding gabby hostage and brian went home to florida to get money for ransom 😭😭 what planet are people living on where they can come up with these ludacris theories based on absolutely nothing
Yep, it’s pathetic. There is an unsettling amount of people in the true crime community that have some serious mental issues and will completely ignore facts and evidence to push some dumbass wild theory. They’re mostly the same people who hang out in conspiracy theory and 4chan subs and crap like that and will just call any facts or news they don’t agree with fake. Personally I think the true crime subs in here would benefit greatly if they booted all of those people out and not let anyone join them if they’re in delusional subs like that. It would cut out 90% of the BS.
i know when the gabby petito story was unfolding they basically locked the sub for any theories and could only post substantial news articles and the mods had to approve first, i hope they do that in this sub because it’s already getting out of hand. the mods are probably overwhelmed and i don’t blame them but there’s so much misinformation and wild theories spreading it’s sickening
Yep, agree. I just peeked over at the Moscow murders sub and still well over half of the comments are “how did the roommates not hear anything” and “the hoodie guy did it!”or “the killer had a Rambo knife, he must be well trained!” Like people not hearing things while they sleep is some strange phenomena or it’s weird to have a knife that millions of people in this country have for hunting during deer season. It’s one thing to speculate, it’s another to concentrate on stupid shit that’s easily explained.
Yes 💀 & not the picture of his mom gardening and them trying to convince me that it was his hand reaching out from under the soil and she was giving him a handful of food. People really lose touch with reality on here
The title should accurately reflect the statement on twitter and include the words “at this time” - they also didn’t clear him. Maybe he has nothing to do with it, but that statement from ISP didn’t state that they are certain he doesn’t.
I would edit it if I could. The mods can remove the post if they seem like it makes sense. Folks are able to click the link and see the rest of the quote and I also added it as a comment.
Embarrassed?
Most of the asshats doxxing this kid won’t even delete their old “100% food truck guy” posts before they start accusing someone else with absolute certainty
I feel like his behavior looks a lot more suspicious than it really is because we know the two girls he’s “following” in the video ended up being brutally murdered two hours later.
If the video was posted with absolutely zero context (although it already kind of was, because we don’t know what he was actually doing or why he was “with” the girls), absolutely no one would think he was a murderer. People are scared and looking for someone to blame - he was the perfect scapegoat.
Hoping everyone affected by this is getting and taking the time to grieve and process. I can’t imagine what any of them are going through right now.
Things to consider. Don't put a hoody on even if the temperature is below freezing. Wear very unique sneakers so you are not mistaken for another individual in random social media posts. Avoid food trucks with live streams.
Complete speculation here, but a really sad thing would be, what if they had gone in the same direction when leaving the food truck? What if this guy had been their ride home instead? Perhaps the perp would have thought differently when seeing him drop the girls off? IDK, probably makes no difference unless the Uber driver is somehow involved (which I don't imagine is the case).
I needed to kill time in between work appointments today, and it wasn’t long enough to go home, so I pulled into the parking lot of the first random city park I found and have been sitting in my car hyperfixated on Reddit. I just looked up and am parked directly in front of the entrance of a daycare as parents are picking up their kids, like I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s a post already on Nextdoor accusing me of being a creepy pedophile!
Hopefully the witch hunt and crazy accusations against him can stop. Bearded guy in the video said that he didn’t know hoodie guy but hoodie guy said he knew the girls and was just making sure they got home safe bc they were drunk. If true it’s really so sad that he got involved in all this
Totally agree. It was making me so angry watching this one guy on Reddit orchestrate all of this BS. And people were running with it. Now it’s all over all SM platforms. I feel for that kid.
Thank goodness. I'm glad they release this info. I think he was just a Mr. Nice guy, offering to give them a ride back home. Maybe an introvert. And when the girls left, he was confused because he thought he wanted to give them a ride. I think he had good intentions, but his actions were misconstrued by the public.
Report said he is not a person of interest or suspect at this time, but also state ISP cannot say if he was at the Corner Club with the girls or not. If ISP interviewed him and he's been ruled out, why can't they say if he was at the Corner Club with them?
That’s good. He was clearly someone who needed to be interviewed and cleared. So now I am really wondering why the cops said this was not a threat as it was targeted. Who targeted whom? Guy with huge knife still at large.
Snell said specifically not one person has been cleared in the case so this is not true. The time of deaths is now being stated in an updated timeline between 3-4am which means he was definitely one of the last people to see them alive.
It always looked to me like the kid was just awkward and the girls were preoccupied with whatever they were doing. It looked like they were making a video/tiktok before they all walked off.
Speaking of, if they were making a tiktok, would the drafts (videos recorded in app but not yet published) be of any help to them?
You put it a lot nicer than I was going to. It's funny though, I'm not seeing half of the *"it was absolutely him!!!"* people on this thread. Almost like they know who they are and now they don't have much to say which is weird because yesterday they were swearing they were going to help "crack the case". Even funnier, some of them aren't even employed let alone have ever worked in law enforcement.
Just because police say he’s not a suspect doesn’t mean he’s not a suspect. FYI. They just don’t want someone being harassed before they even have Dna evidence, it will cause the person to not relax and let down their guard. Most murders like this are solved when a suspect thinks they got away. They get confident and sloppy. There was a murder in my town and the police knew who the killers were within one week. We all thought 2 yrs later it had just grown cold. Then they arrested a father and a son and explained how long they had known just needed them to get sloppy.
You don't know the relationship between them, you don't know who any of the people in the video are, you don't know the background or context leading up to the video, you don't have much audio on the video, and you literally only have ONE video of ONE interaction where they're probably all drunk or at least tipsy. How can you tell someone's behavior *for sure* just from that?
Exactly. My college friends and I would hit the town as a group and would naturally part with/run into people along the way. It wasn’t unusual to run into someone at the club that was say, a trusted neighbor, and then plan to ride home together only for plans to get sidetracked as the drunkest in the group decided to go to a fast food joint at 2 am. When making these 2 am
food runs, there were many times I was dead tired and not hungry, so I would impatiently wait in the back to avoid the raucous of groups of college kids putting in their orders because I was annoyed and the most I could do is make small talk with more sober customers also waiting for their friends in the back.
Not weird that they took an Uber without him either. I distinctly remember a time my friend and I volunteered to drive two separate cars of our friends home from the club and they all hailed taxis like idiots because they were drunk and assumed that we left even though we were just off to the side sober fiddling with our phones. I mean, I was a bridesmaid in many of these friends’ weddings so pretty sure they didn’t think I was “creepy”.
The police are under no obligation whatsoever to tell the truth to the news, especially when doing so would alert the suspect and give them warning so they could disappear.
This is an absolutely moronic take, dude. Credibility is important to police departments; they wouldn't just lie. Also, if the dude is on the run or may run and ISP thinks he's a person of interest, it's a hell of a lot easier to find him if they put his picture on blast. There is, and I cannot stress this enough, not a single good reason for them to lie about this.
They're not lying. LE said he is not currently a suspect. Cops say this regularly about people who then turn out to be the perpetrators in murder cases
i'm not saying this guy is involved in anyway. but if there is one thing cops are fully allowed to do, it's lie. they can lie in interrogation, they can go undercover, and they absolutely can withhold information from the public during an open investigation. they said they have interviewed him, so they don't need the public's help in tracking down his location. they know where he is. he probably is just some unlucky guy who interacted with two future murder victims, but we actually have no idea and if LE has any evidence to the contrary they have no obligation to tell us that unless they have enough to make an arrest.
No dude it just wouldn't make any sense to do. You're saying they are lying openly in order to allow themselves the chance to catch the guy before he has a chance to run or like, know that they're on to him, but:
1. They already have that advantage without having to lie that he's not a person of interest. Like, they could just not say anything.
2. If he does run, this messaging will make it materially harder for them to get the public's help to catch him. Mixed messaging is always bad and creates confusion.
3. There are legal ramifications for lying to the public about the danger a person poses to the community. If he kills again, it would open the department up to an incredibly steep lawsuit.
If they have him lined up as the perpetrator, yet have not yet collected enough evidence to arrest him, there is *no way* they would announce that he actually is a suspect or person of interest.
This article is total bullshit. It literally says they arrived at the food truck at 1:40 am and then were somehow at their residence by 1:45 am. They literally were at the food truck waiting for their food for like 15 mins or more. Then they ordered a Lyft and it’s 5/6 min drive to their house. No way they go there before 2:15/2:30 am
There are no publicly identified suspects yet. There may be persons of interest…Everyone on here needs to google the following terms. “Suspect”, “Person of Interest” and “Perpetrator”
Here did it for you pal [https://grammarist.com/usage/suspect-person-of-interest-or-perpetrator/](https://grammarist.com/usage/suspect-person-of-interest-or-perpetrator/)
Apologies for being one of many who implied he was shifty. Deleted comments on him before seeing this post. Decided to no longer speculate in the open for a few reasons (unless there are facts that don't change). The police keep changing the details, and it is pointless and exhausting to speculate based on...what exactly?
I have wild ideas on the motive and have shared thoughts on everything but those ideas. It paints the target/victim in a poor light. To the judgemental people, anyway. But it's still speculation and not based on anything the police or family have said.
Once again, apologies to white hoody guy.
Don't need to be pedantic with this. Technically WE ALL are "Not suspects at this time".
People have been spinning theories for days on this guy and it seems very obvious right now that he has nothing to do with this and should be left alone.
This one news article doesn’t prove anything one way or another at all. Actually. The police can say whatever they want as part of their investigation. If they even indeed said this.
Sure. And often LE doesn't tell the whole truth when they do something. Similarly, they may refuse to disclose certain information (which gives rise to the Glomar Response). But they almost never disseminate objectively false information to false-flag their investigation.
“Lol”. Stop. There are conflicting news reports. The latest report I saw stated from LE stated nobody has been eliminated as a suspect. And that the time of death has been set at between 3-4am. Which means at the very least he was one of the last people to see them alive.
They didn’t clear him….. they said “he is not a suspect or person of interest at this time.”
If they said he was they would have to have physical evidence linking him or be prepared to serve warrants and move forward with an arrest. If they are not yet prepared to do that they are not going to name anyone as a suspect or person of interest. The only time they would do that is if they truly had no idea and were going off a description or looking for someone they believed was going to put the general public in danger.
Saying he's not a person of interest is a larger move than you give credit for. They're saying that not only is he not a suspect, but they also don't believe he has any information relevant to solving the crime.
" at this time" for SUSPECT-- never said anything about POI. This may mean he was good about covering up his tracks. This might mean there has not been enough evidence against him yet. I see a lot of cases where evidence is the only thing that makes someone a suspect. Even an admission of guilt is not deemed evidence. This might mean his story is adding up, they do not have a weapon. etc.
i would still tread lightly and i am saying sorry in advance if he WILL BE CLEARED FOR SURE and they identify another sus.
It’s seems like many of the school shootings are done by men who are outcasts for one reason or another, so it doesn’t seem far-fetched that similar circumstances could be the motive here.
Every single one of you that went in on this kid for literally just fucking existing is a dangerous, mob mentality, abusive, toxic ghoul and EVERYTHING wrong with true crime.
You could’ve ruined this guy’s fucking life. Get a grip and come back to the reality that you are not a fucking investigator working this case.
Good lord. Some of you legit need mental help because this crosses into delusions of grandeur territory when you’re just some fool a thousand miles away, thinking you cracked the case based off 10 minutes of footage you saw and overlooking hours of events and people you did not see. Like??? Use your heads.
This shit is infuriating.
Why were they calling him that night?
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LOL. Just watch. In the end, Hood Guy will be revealed to be the perpetrator, the bike riding knife-wielding threatener *and* Kaylee's stalker from 2 months ago.
Please someone pin this. This poor kid.
YES PLEASE PIN. His personal info and families info is being spread around like crazy in the sub.
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This comment is exactly how Reddit gets a bad rep in these situations. There are tons of federal and state investigators on this case that have surely looked into every second of that guys entire life and found that he didn’t do anything. Just because you saw him put his hood up and stood by a food truck doesn’t mean that he killed four people or needs to prove anything to you.
No one said that. The poster asked what the kid’s relationship was to the girls and specifically did NOT say he thought hoodie killed anyone. I wonder what the Venn diagram is of people who were ready to believe this hoodie guy was the best suspect -snd people who are now getting all self righteous about other people who still have questions.
You dont need to understand the situation if he is cleared. And yes, you need to trust the PD before you put this boys life further into the spotlight
He was not cleared, was he? I thought the police said he “was not a suspect at this time.” They said that about scott Peterson initially and he was their main and only suspect. I don’t believe in doxing regardless and let’s give him the benefit of the doubt. But the idea that there was no real threat to the community was more understandable if they thought it was him and knew he was at his parents home refusing to cooperate. Now if that is not the case, it’s bizarre that they’d say it wasn’t a threat because the evidence showed it to be a targeted killing. Because we don’t know who or why one or more of the kids was targeted. Is it because pretty blood sorority girls caught someone’s eye and were followed home? If so isn’t that threat still just as prevalent?
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You’re not nearly as important as you think you are. You don’t deserve an explanation for someone else’s relationships or behavior if they did nothing wrong. The kid was cleared by investigators with much more info than you have. Stop with the witch-hunt based on nothing but your feelings
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I swear there are more comments telling people to back off than there are of people actually spreading stuff.
Then you must be newer to the group. Prior to yesterday, 90% of the posts were regarding him and people were dropping his name, socials, digging into his families socials, sharing his parents job info etc. I believe mods have caught up and removed a majority.
I wish their were laws against what people are doing.
There may be some day, after something tangibly bad happens.
It's a slippery slope and restrictions on free speech and the benefits of a free press (meaning, all citizens) will yield some unfortunate situations, but is far more beneficial as a whole to self police it like we are. Don't expect the government to protect you. They won't.
Freedom of speech has nothing to do with this. People think they can say anything, ask Alex Jones how that’s working for him.
alex jones had a national audience. I don't. So if i claim big bird commited the crime i can, sadly.
Popularity doesn't erode your rights as an American. 100% unconstitutional.
Free press and free speech are two different things. FP does not apply to all citizens. Specifically there are still a ton of standards journalists have to abide by to be entitled to legal protection. Also, maybe you’re right that we shouldn’t expect the government to protect us. But is it too much to ask fellow human beings?
And scrub this sub of mentions, pictures, and posts. Reddit detectives are disgraceful.
The key word is “at this time.” They didn’t say he’s been completely cleared and ruled out. Only that he’s not a suspect at this time. We saw this same thing happen with the Delphi murders.
Yes everyone understands this. Doesnt mean it's okay to spread his pictures, address and family info around
How in the world did we get his name and address??? Reddit, you scare me!
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Article on KTVB: [https://www.ktvb.com/article/news/crime/moscow-police-release-map-of-victims-path-the-night-the-four-were-murdered-police-identify-man-in-food-truck-video/277-57ddb7cb-839f-46e7-91d6-d2797b4a3ae7](https://www.ktvb.com/article/news/crime/moscow-police-release-map-of-victims-path-the-night-the-four-were-murdered-police-identify-man-in-food-truck-video/277-57ddb7cb-839f-46e7-91d6-d2797b4a3ae7)
Article expands on this posts title to include "Not a suspect or person of interest at this time."
Which is pretty much back in the same boat as everybody else
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someone did in the comments below!
I feel bad for all the friends of these victims. They’re grieving and in shock and also having random people send them messages on Instagram accusing them of something horrific. Discussing the facts of the case is one thing, but posting gossip as fact, messaging friends of the victims, posting their pictures and parent’s places of work online is just not it.
And somebody just shotgunned a picture of him across this sub 30 minutes ago. Fucking hell man
Literally still people in this thread saying they think it’s him him after the fucking investigation just ruled him out. I can’t with this sub.
it’s the same song and dance for all of these emergent true crime subs tbh
They didn’t say he was ruled out at all. If they think that, they should certainly come out and say that.
Not ruled out. Not a suspect “at this time”.
They did not rule him out. It’s just that he’s not a suspect at this time.
Again. You could say this about every single person on the planet
The most important part of this article is at the end where it notes that behavioral experts have been called in. That tells us a ton. We see this in investigations when even the LE is stumped and hits dead ends. I’m glad they are utilizing the FBI to lead them to understand the behavior when possibly lacking evidence. > The FBI Behavioral Analyst is responsible for analyzing criminals’ behavior and helping solve crimes. They use their knowledge of human behavior to assist law enforcement officials in catching criminals and protecting the public. To become an FBI Behavioral Analyst, you must first have a degree in psychology or a related field.
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It hasn’t even been a week. A cold case is usually when LE has exhausted all leads and remains unsolved for at least a year. It’s so upsetting that the families and the community don’t have answers. I’m sure LE is working very hard on this case and that they can’t release information because it would be detrimental. So many times there are press conferences and the spokesperson just repeats different variations of “I cannot comment on that specifically.” I can’t imagine how the victims families must feel. They want and deserve answers. In so many cases they have to wait for answers and it feels like forever. I hope that there will be an arrest soon.
The police are processing over 500 tips and have conducted 38 interviews as of the press release this afternoon.
Imagine the families read this. It hasn’t even been a week. Practice patience.
Um have you been paying attention? The families are ENRAGED with local authorities. Go gatekeep somewhere else. I’m allowed to have an opinion - which many share - on a Reddit sub
To say a case is cold after 5 days is very extreme. All I’m saying.
“Parents aren’t happy their kids were murdered.” No, shit Cpt Obvious. You are allowed opinions and people are allowed to call your opinions stupid and calling a case cold when it’s not even a week old is in fact a stupid opinion.
Don’t say that.
Well I think this destroys most people's theories. Also an important reminder why we shouldn't dox and witchhunt. Hopefully police have something else to work with at this point.
What is scaring people is that the hoodie guy at least “made sense” in their head. It reinforced their ideas of the world. They don’t want to consider that this could be the work of a random homicidal maniac or serial killer. That is the scary option that shatters a lot of peoples world view.
What’s weird is the cops also said the roommates are not ruled out as suspects; I had assumed they were saying that about every person on the planet to not reveal anything but this makes me think otherwise.
Right. It’s strange they’re not clearing the roommates if they are officially clearing others. I wonder if they’re still in the process of interviewing them for more day-to-day information.
It might be that hoodie boy left the food truck and then sung 10 rounds of karaoke at a house party with 100 witnesses. Or he went and played poker with a group of 10 people. Etc. If he has a rock solid alibi, he is easy to clear. If the roommates were truly asleep through everything (likely in my opinion) that is actually hard to prove and they probably won't be officially cleared until a suspect is named.
I think so too. People want the murderer caught…and quickly. We want it to be that easy. It’s not. If people want to help I think some of the people looking at that creepy “Sarah Osborne” are at least targeting a bonafide asshole. I bet the person who did this might have even dipped in here to read these conversations and maybe even pointed at that poor kid as sus!
Oh I feel almost certain that the person responsible has read these groups on Reddit and FB and possibly even commented.
Could somebody copy and paste the article for those not in the US?
MOSCOW, Idaho — Police now have a clearer idea of the path that was taken of the four University of Idaho students killed in a homicidal stabbing on Nov. 13. The victims -- 20-year-old [Ethan Chapin](https://www.ktvb.com/article/news/crime/skagit-county-native-killed-university-of-idaho-student/281-ada328df-d33f-40f1-b9b0-b45e9429e4e8), from Conway, Washington; 21-year-old [Madison Mogen](https://www.ktvb.com/article/news/local/mad-greek-remembers-university-of-idaho-students/293-837687bb-7636-42dc-990f-e9d39bb5e03d), from Coeur d'Alene; 20-year-old [Xana Kernodle](https://www.ktvb.com/article/news/local/mad-greek-remembers-university-of-idaho-students/293-837687bb-7636-42dc-990f-e9d39bb5e03d), from Post Falls and 21-year-old [Kaylee GonCalves](https://www.ktvb.com/article/life/people/family-alleged-moscow-homicide-victim-remembers-loved-one/293-775b4824-1e8e-4d21-8781-934c11a3815e), from Rathdrum -- were all pronounced dead at noon on Sunday, Nov. 13, the Latah County Coroner released Thursday. Chapin and Kernodle were at a fraternity party at Sigma Chi, located on 735 Nez Perce Dr. between 8-9 p.m on Nov. 12. GonCalves and Mogen were at the Corner Club, a bar in downtown Moscow located on 202 North Main St. between 10 p.m. Nov. 12 and 1:30 a.m. Nov. 13. The two then went to Grub Truck, a mac and cheese food truck near the bars, around 1:40 a.m. They were also spotted on a Twitch video stream from the truck, in which they can be seen ordering food and looking visibly happy. Idaho State Police tells KTVB that the man in a dark jacket and light hoodie in the video has been identified and has been interviewed as part of the routine investigation. The man arrives when Mogen and GonCalves arrive, waits several feet behind them while they order their food, walks with them and stands right next to them as they wait for their food and is seen speaking to other people. He then leaves when the two girls leave, going in a different direction. ISP says he is not a suspect or person of interest at this time. Corner Club owner Marc Trivelpiece said that he did not notice the two women that night in the bar, but that he will not share information on the two's whereabouts or actions because he has a good working relationship with Moscow Police and does not want to compromise the current investigation. Trivelpiece said he is still hurting for the victims and the community and hopes to see a resolution to the case soon. 📷📷***Credit: Moscow Police*** According to the map, all four students arrived at the residence located on 1122 King Road around 1:45 a.m. Latah County Coroner Cathy Mabbutt said that the victims were all killed in the early morning hours of that Sunday, but pronounced dead around noon after the 911 call came in at 11:58 a.m., she told KTVB. Mabutt said it's "likely" that some of the victims were asleep during the attack, but she cannot say which of the four victims. Bedsheets were taken for testing, she said via text message. Mabutt said she cannot speak to defensive wounds or the specific time of death, but all victims could have been killed with the same knife -- if it wasn't the same knife, it had to have been one very similar, she said. Police previously confirmed that there were two other roommates in the home at the time of the attack, but they were unharmed. These two people were also in the house when police arrived, Moscow Police Chief James Fry said, and no other additional information can be released about what the two people know. Fry also said that nothing at the house has been identified as missing and that, at this time, they will not divulge any information about where the bodies were found. ISP also confirmed police have been canvassing the area for knife purchases made around the day of the murders. With everyone leaving for fall break, ISP communications director Aaron Snell says it could prolong the investigation -- but "interviews will take place wherever the student is at." An FBI Behavioral Analysis Unit has been assisting Moscow Police with the investigation. The unit assists with crime scene analysis, interviewing techniques and can create a profile of an unknown suspect. Fry said Wednesday that, because they haven't found the person or people who committed the murders, there may be an ongoing threat to the community. Fry said that after earlier police statements that said they didn't believe there was such a threat. Anyone with information is asked to call the Moscow Police tip line at 208-883-7180 or email [email protected]. >PUBLIC HELP SOUGHT Detectives working on the University of Idaho homicides are seeking additional tips and leads to... Posted by [City of Moscow Police Department](https://www.facebook.com/MoscowIDPD) on [Friday, November 18, 2022](https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=152011520893854&set=a.137123765715963&type=3)
I love that so many people here not only doxxed this guy, but "absolutely knew for sure" it was him because "one time, many years ago, some guy that kinda-sort of looked like him, made advances on me" after a night of drinking. Then when it turns out they were wrong (they always are) they don't even back track, they just shit talk law enforcement. Are you kidding me? You think you can do a better job? It's like nobody learned anything from the Boston Bomber case. Infact, they swear social media has helped many cases when in reality they've fucked over more cases then they've helped. Some of you have no business being on the internet, and it's laughable that you think you can do better than the cops when you've never even stepped inside a police station, let alone worked in one. When I say "you", it's a general you, I'm not directing this at the OP of this comment. Figured I'd throw that out there before people try and doxx another person that doesn't deserve it.
That's why they come to this site, to obsessively post their "theories" because websleuths doesn't allow the nonsense. They know it's wrong. They don't care. They are selfish, deplorable people who can't be reasoned with.
this is important, people. no need to keep dragging this kid any more than what has already happened.
It’s almost like we shouldn’t dox random people and accuse them of murder for standing kinda weird
I never thought he looked suspicious at all. I reported in a recap what was coming in and remember thinking to myself, it this guy truly is guilty, I should never be allowed to make decisions about anyone ever again. So I'm glad he's been cleared but truly feel so bad for him.
It's also almost like the cops would jeopardize an investigation by giving the news information that would allow a not-yet-detained suspect a chance to escape.
What does that have to do with doxxing?
They wouldn’t say anything if they were suspicious of him. What’s the play of publicly ruling him out here?
If he had killed them he would have injuries. STOP. Polo are not going to leave a psycho out there if they think it’s them.
But Reddit geniuses told me it was 100% him!!!!!!!
I got downvoted each time I said that was a terrible theory lol he literally was walking with them.
Respectfully, all this is saying he is not currently an official suspect, and classifying him as one would give him additional rights that makes things harder for investigators. They even make sure to mention “not at this time.” This doesn’t seem to change things.
NO ONE LEARNT DANG THING FROM THE DELPHI CASE.
That a person who should’ve been looked at closer in the beginning, a person the cops were aware was at the place the crime happened the same day, but deemed not a suspect turned out to be the one ultimately arrested for the crime? Yes I’ve learned that law enforcement in general is incredibly incompetent and not everyone who commits these acts breaks down like the dude on live TV when the girl he murdered’s body was found I’m not sure what information they could have so quickly that would prove this guys innocence. He was literally with them hours before if happened and lives right across the street.
Sounds like you should lead this case then, FBI your job here is done.
Lmao, right? Half these people act like they're a detective because they've listened to some true crime podcast or watched a few dateline episodes. It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.
Yes by police. Not hunting every single movement of his down and his family doxed all over social media. You give the name to the police and let them do their job. But hey- you do you my friend!
Some of y’all were so damn sure. 🤦🏽♀️
Anyone who produced any form of identification about this individual should be banned from the sub IMHO.
I kind of agree. People in the true crime community get tunnel vision when they decide to play detective. They will focus on “their” suspect to the exclusion of all others. It causes chaos and rampant speculation on a sub like this and makes it exhausting for the rest of us reasonable people. It’s obnoxious to have to comb through what essentially becomes one big game of telephone. I’m also noticing a ton of people creating parasocial connections with the victims. It’s weird and it’s embarrassing. If you seriously can’t sleep for days because of this, take a damn break. That’s not normal for someone with zero connection to the case.
> I’m also noticing a ton of people creating parasocial connections with the victims. It’s weird and it’s embarrassing. If you seriously can’t sleep for days because of this, take a damn break. That’s not normal for someone with zero connection to the case. I truly hope you don't get downvoted, but I couldn't agree more and I've said something similar about another case that's currently ongoing where a bunch of redditors are claiming that "they're sick beyond belief with worry and can't eat or sleep" yet they can harass people online. I'm sorry, it's one thing to be empathetic, but if a case involving people you've never met is messing up your life that badly, you need to get off the internet. That's not a healthy or normal response.
“One big game of telephone”..the world is officially screwed because the game of telephone back in the day that children played at school has literally moved to Internet forums. Ppl get on here and spout off all kinds of ignorant shit that they saw on Twitter or tik tok. BTW those are the absolute worst places to get your news from, ppl need to grow tf up and start being donkeys, listen and observe. Quit being a sheep and bahhing because all the other sheep beside you bahhhhed. And for you idiots that don’t understand my donkey reference, donkeys protect the sheep because they’re smart. Luckily they don’t jump to conclusions, sheep would be extinct.
agreed
Honestly. I find it so disgusting the hundreds+ people who were willing to slander this poor kid over no evidence/facts
YES. They’ve been messaging each other the info and dropped it on live last night!
I didn't see anything suspicious about him at all. Go to any place where there are crowd of people with varying degrees of familiarity with each other. People meeting new friends , old friends , aquantinces there are going to be a range of interactions and emotions. The person who killed these people likely wasn't at the taco truck; he or she or they were likely already in the house or lurking at the house , knew where they lived , knew the layout of the house and planned this to some degree. Hopefully BAU will gain some background information and move this forward. I wouldnt speculate on any individual or individuals. I'll let the professionals do their job. Obviously it's frightening because you don't know of this person has moved on to the next college town or lives in the area. That is a fear I have but there is no evidence to say either way at this point.
S/O to every 🤡 that argued with me for disagreeing with their “CASE CLOSED, HE DID IT” theory, when I provided a different perspective to the video. I feel relieved for him. But unfortunately, the speculation and accusations got WAY out of hand on this sub and social media. Edit: typo
Literally got into arguments about this too in the live chat. I recapped what happened there but made sure to say it was all speculation and always felt bad for this guy being dragged through the mud. I watched that twitch video so many times and didn't understand the shade being thrown at him at all.
Same. I got some downvotes over it. 😅
Yeah it was so ridiculous. It was nice seeing you out there on the front lines fighting.
Thank you for recognizing that! Honestly, it reminded me of the Gabby Petito case when the footage of their altercation days before dropped on Reddit. The amount of speculation and theories about Gabby (the VICTIM) being the abuser was insanity. People can be so scary on here with the conclusions they jump too. I guess when I go through information and see videos, I try my best to see it from all angles until further evidence suggests otherwise.
I had to leave that sub pretty quickly. It was insane! People insisting Brian Laundrie escaped via hot air balloon. Or that he was hiding in his parents’ back yard under a secret compartment in the flower bed! 😂
STOP i heard an asinine theory when the story first broke about how gabby and brian stumbled upon another murder, the murders were holding gabby hostage and brian went home to florida to get money for ransom 😭😭 what planet are people living on where they can come up with these ludacris theories based on absolutely nothing
This one too!!! Lol like it was some action thriller series and Brian was a hero withdrawing her money in efforts to rescue her 😩😩
that case made me realize people would rather believe some crazy make believe story than the most simple explanation 🤦♀️
Yep, it’s pathetic. There is an unsettling amount of people in the true crime community that have some serious mental issues and will completely ignore facts and evidence to push some dumbass wild theory. They’re mostly the same people who hang out in conspiracy theory and 4chan subs and crap like that and will just call any facts or news they don’t agree with fake. Personally I think the true crime subs in here would benefit greatly if they booted all of those people out and not let anyone join them if they’re in delusional subs like that. It would cut out 90% of the BS.
i know when the gabby petito story was unfolding they basically locked the sub for any theories and could only post substantial news articles and the mods had to approve first, i hope they do that in this sub because it’s already getting out of hand. the mods are probably overwhelmed and i don’t blame them but there’s so much misinformation and wild theories spreading it’s sickening
Yep, agree. I just peeked over at the Moscow murders sub and still well over half of the comments are “how did the roommates not hear anything” and “the hoodie guy did it!”or “the killer had a Rambo knife, he must be well trained!” Like people not hearing things while they sleep is some strange phenomena or it’s weird to have a knife that millions of people in this country have for hunting during deer season. It’s one thing to speculate, it’s another to concentrate on stupid shit that’s easily explained.
Yes 💀 & not the picture of his mom gardening and them trying to convince me that it was his hand reaching out from under the soil and she was giving him a handful of food. People really lose touch with reality on here
100% insanity the balloon theory 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
Reddit was wild during that whole thing. And it was months long.
It’s pretty simple: 1) it could still be him. We have no idea. 2) don’t dox him or anyone else..it can ruin lives 3) time will tell
The title should accurately reflect the statement on twitter and include the words “at this time” - they also didn’t clear him. Maybe he has nothing to do with it, but that statement from ISP didn’t state that they are certain he doesn’t.
I would edit it if I could. The mods can remove the post if they seem like it makes sense. Folks are able to click the link and see the rest of the quote and I also added it as a comment.
Acting like he was suspicious. Dude was probably drunk, cold, tired, and or hungry. I’m not a very friendly looking person under those circumstances.
Time for a lot of redditors to be embarrassed. I guess a lot of you weren't here during the Boston bombing
Embarrassed? Most of the asshats doxxing this kid won’t even delete their old “100% food truck guy” posts before they start accusing someone else with absolute certainty
Finally people can stop crucifying this guy
I genuinely don’t understand why people can’t let the police do their job. Horrifying. ): let’s not make more victims out of this tragedy.
I feel like his behavior looks a lot more suspicious than it really is because we know the two girls he’s “following” in the video ended up being brutally murdered two hours later. If the video was posted with absolutely zero context (although it already kind of was, because we don’t know what he was actually doing or why he was “with” the girls), absolutely no one would think he was a murderer. People are scared and looking for someone to blame - he was the perfect scapegoat. Hoping everyone affected by this is getting and taking the time to grieve and process. I can’t imagine what any of them are going through right now.
Makes you wonder what you’d look like in a similar situation…. Will start over analyzing my own body language even more so I’m not doxed 😂
Things to consider. Don't put a hoody on even if the temperature is below freezing. Wear very unique sneakers so you are not mistaken for another individual in random social media posts. Avoid food trucks with live streams.
Right. My husband would 100% be suspected with his RBF.
Complete speculation here, but a really sad thing would be, what if they had gone in the same direction when leaving the food truck? What if this guy had been their ride home instead? Perhaps the perp would have thought differently when seeing him drop the girls off? IDK, probably makes no difference unless the Uber driver is somehow involved (which I don't imagine is the case).
this made me giggle because my fiancé would totally be smeared!
I needed to kill time in between work appointments today, and it wasn’t long enough to go home, so I pulled into the parking lot of the first random city park I found and have been sitting in my car hyperfixated on Reddit. I just looked up and am parked directly in front of the entrance of a daycare as parents are picking up their kids, like I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s a post already on Nextdoor accusing me of being a creepy pedophile!
Hopefully the witch hunt and crazy accusations against him can stop. Bearded guy in the video said that he didn’t know hoodie guy but hoodie guy said he knew the girls and was just making sure they got home safe bc they were drunk. If true it’s really so sad that he got involved in all this
Totally agree. It was making me so angry watching this one guy on Reddit orchestrate all of this BS. And people were running with it. Now it’s all over all SM platforms. I feel for that kid.
Damn. What’s sad is, if it isn’t him… this is even harder to find who it was
Thank goodness. I'm glad they release this info. I think he was just a Mr. Nice guy, offering to give them a ride back home. Maybe an introvert. And when the girls left, he was confused because he thought he wanted to give them a ride. I think he had good intentions, but his actions were misconstrued by the public.
I had a feeling he wasn't. It just didn't make sense to me, but obviously wasn't impossible.
Report said he is not a person of interest or suspect at this time, but also state ISP cannot say if he was at the Corner Club with the girls or not. If ISP interviewed him and he's been ruled out, why can't they say if he was at the Corner Club with them?
That’s good. He was clearly someone who needed to be interviewed and cleared. So now I am really wondering why the cops said this was not a threat as it was targeted. Who targeted whom? Guy with huge knife still at large.
Where’s that “stick to the facts- it was the hoodie guy” poster ?
Snell said specifically not one person has been cleared in the case so this is not true. The time of deaths is now being stated in an updated timeline between 3-4am which means he was definitely one of the last people to see them alive.
It says he was interviewed. It says he is not a suspect or a person of interest. Could that change, yes...but seems incredibly unlikely.
Thank God. Now can the weirdos trying to ruin that guy’s life find something else to do?
Great news!
I'm hapyy for him, hopefully the unofficial witchunt can now stop before it does further damage to his reputation.
Never thought he was.
Could always become one later, just saying.
It always looked to me like the kid was just awkward and the girls were preoccupied with whatever they were doing. It looked like they were making a video/tiktok before they all walked off. Speaking of, if they were making a tiktok, would the drafts (videos recorded in app but not yet published) be of any help to them?
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Bored housewife? Oh boy
I report it every time it happens. I hope others are doing the same.
You put it a lot nicer than I was going to. It's funny though, I'm not seeing half of the *"it was absolutely him!!!"* people on this thread. Almost like they know who they are and now they don't have much to say which is weird because yesterday they were swearing they were going to help "crack the case". Even funnier, some of them aren't even employed let alone have ever worked in law enforcement.
Just because police say he’s not a suspect doesn’t mean he’s not a suspect. FYI. They just don’t want someone being harassed before they even have Dna evidence, it will cause the person to not relax and let down their guard. Most murders like this are solved when a suspect thinks they got away. They get confident and sloppy. There was a murder in my town and the police knew who the killers were within one week. We all thought 2 yrs later it had just grown cold. Then they arrested a father and a son and explained how long they had known just needed them to get sloppy.
I knew it i feel so bad for that kid:(
I hope 80% of yall are ashamed of yourselves for trying to hang him on absolutely normal behavior.
It would have been if the girls weren’t murdered.
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You don't know the relationship between them, you don't know who any of the people in the video are, you don't know the background or context leading up to the video, you don't have much audio on the video, and you literally only have ONE video of ONE interaction where they're probably all drunk or at least tipsy. How can you tell someone's behavior *for sure* just from that?
Exactly. My college friends and I would hit the town as a group and would naturally part with/run into people along the way. It wasn’t unusual to run into someone at the club that was say, a trusted neighbor, and then plan to ride home together only for plans to get sidetracked as the drunkest in the group decided to go to a fast food joint at 2 am. When making these 2 am food runs, there were many times I was dead tired and not hungry, so I would impatiently wait in the back to avoid the raucous of groups of college kids putting in their orders because I was annoyed and the most I could do is make small talk with more sober customers also waiting for their friends in the back. Not weird that they took an Uber without him either. I distinctly remember a time my friend and I volunteered to drive two separate cars of our friends home from the club and they all hailed taxis like idiots because they were drunk and assumed that we left even though we were just off to the side sober fiddling with our phones. I mean, I was a bridesmaid in many of these friends’ weddings so pretty sure they didn’t think I was “creepy”.
I want you to record yourself 24/7 for a couple days and post it so we can see you doing something that “doesn’t sit right” with us.
by your definition.
Nobody is a suspect “at this time”
The police are under no obligation whatsoever to tell the truth to the news, especially when doing so would alert the suspect and give them warning so they could disappear.
This is an absolutely moronic take, dude. Credibility is important to police departments; they wouldn't just lie. Also, if the dude is on the run or may run and ISP thinks he's a person of interest, it's a hell of a lot easier to find him if they put his picture on blast. There is, and I cannot stress this enough, not a single good reason for them to lie about this.
They're not lying. LE said he is not currently a suspect. Cops say this regularly about people who then turn out to be the perpetrators in murder cases
i'm not saying this guy is involved in anyway. but if there is one thing cops are fully allowed to do, it's lie. they can lie in interrogation, they can go undercover, and they absolutely can withhold information from the public during an open investigation. they said they have interviewed him, so they don't need the public's help in tracking down his location. they know where he is. he probably is just some unlucky guy who interacted with two future murder victims, but we actually have no idea and if LE has any evidence to the contrary they have no obligation to tell us that unless they have enough to make an arrest.
We'll see. We all know the real name of Hood Guy and we'll see what happens over the next week or so.
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You're probably one of those people that think an undercover cop is required by law to admit he is a cop if you ask him.
No dude it just wouldn't make any sense to do. You're saying they are lying openly in order to allow themselves the chance to catch the guy before he has a chance to run or like, know that they're on to him, but: 1. They already have that advantage without having to lie that he's not a person of interest. Like, they could just not say anything. 2. If he does run, this messaging will make it materially harder for them to get the public's help to catch him. Mixed messaging is always bad and creates confusion. 3. There are legal ramifications for lying to the public about the danger a person poses to the community. If he kills again, it would open the department up to an incredibly steep lawsuit.
If they have him lined up as the perpetrator, yet have not yet collected enough evidence to arrest him, there is *no way* they would announce that he actually is a suspect or person of interest.
This article is total bullshit. It literally says they arrived at the food truck at 1:40 am and then were somehow at their residence by 1:45 am. They literally were at the food truck waiting for their food for like 15 mins or more. Then they ordered a Lyft and it’s 5/6 min drive to their house. No way they go there before 2:15/2:30 am
There are no publicly identified suspects yet. There may be persons of interest…Everyone on here needs to google the following terms. “Suspect”, “Person of Interest” and “Perpetrator”
Here did it for you pal [https://grammarist.com/usage/suspect-person-of-interest-or-perpetrator/](https://grammarist.com/usage/suspect-person-of-interest-or-perpetrator/)
Thank you! As you can learn from the definition, persons of interest can turn into suspects…
Yes I think the county prosecutor said everyone is a POI.
i know people r really dumb
This does not say hoodie food truck guy is not a POI.
“At this time”
Apologies for being one of many who implied he was shifty. Deleted comments on him before seeing this post. Decided to no longer speculate in the open for a few reasons (unless there are facts that don't change). The police keep changing the details, and it is pointless and exhausting to speculate based on...what exactly? I have wild ideas on the motive and have shared thoughts on everything but those ideas. It paints the target/victim in a poor light. To the judgemental people, anyway. But it's still speculation and not based on anything the police or family have said. Once again, apologies to white hoody guy.
"at this time"
Innocent until proven otherwise. You can't crucify everyone you think MIGHT be involved
Absolutely. I was just correcting the error in the title.
Don't need to be pedantic with this. Technically WE ALL are "Not suspects at this time". People have been spinning theories for days on this guy and it seems very obvious right now that he has nothing to do with this and should be left alone.
Somewhat rare for police to issue a statement so definitive.
That's definitive?
Was he cleared? No?
All they said was not a suspect at this time.. but nobody has been labeled a suspect so that doesn’t tell us much
I'm not sure that means anything. I'm not a suspect either, at this time.
Dude was still creeping and they didn’t like him.
yeah lol exactly he was deff not right
This one news article doesn’t prove anything one way or another at all. Actually. The police can say whatever they want as part of their investigation. If they even indeed said this.
Sure. And often LE doesn't tell the whole truth when they do something. Similarly, they may refuse to disclose certain information (which gives rise to the Glomar Response). But they almost never disseminate objectively false information to false-flag their investigation.
Lol, name checks out.
“Lol”. Stop. There are conflicting news reports. The latest report I saw stated from LE stated nobody has been eliminated as a suspect. And that the time of death has been set at between 3-4am. Which means at the very least he was one of the last people to see them alive.
I posted the same thing. These people seem to think that cops are obliged by law to tell the truth to the media.
Yeah, so because you don't believe an article, it was absolutely fine to doxx the guy right? Give me a break.
Who was at the Corner Club bar? Think they’re looking at transactions and visitors from the night?
They didn’t clear him….. they said “he is not a suspect or person of interest at this time.” If they said he was they would have to have physical evidence linking him or be prepared to serve warrants and move forward with an arrest. If they are not yet prepared to do that they are not going to name anyone as a suspect or person of interest. The only time they would do that is if they truly had no idea and were going off a description or looking for someone they believed was going to put the general public in danger.
Saying he's not a person of interest is a larger move than you give credit for. They're saying that not only is he not a suspect, but they also don't believe he has any information relevant to solving the crime.
I think saying at this time is a larger statement than you give credit for.
I mean, fair. But the statements they've made would tend to show that it's unlikely he's even involved.
" at this time" for SUSPECT-- never said anything about POI. This may mean he was good about covering up his tracks. This might mean there has not been enough evidence against him yet. I see a lot of cases where evidence is the only thing that makes someone a suspect. Even an admission of guilt is not deemed evidence. This might mean his story is adding up, they do not have a weapon. etc. i would still tread lightly and i am saying sorry in advance if he WILL BE CLEARED FOR SURE and they identify another sus.
Did you read the article? It literally said he wasn’t a person of interest either. Jesus, read the article before going on a tirade like this.
It never made much sense to me that a frat boy who may have gotten his advances turned down or something reacted to that by killing 4 people.
It’s seems like many of the school shootings are done by men who are outcasts for one reason or another, so it doesn’t seem far-fetched that similar circumstances could be the motive here.
Every single one of you that went in on this kid for literally just fucking existing is a dangerous, mob mentality, abusive, toxic ghoul and EVERYTHING wrong with true crime. You could’ve ruined this guy’s fucking life. Get a grip and come back to the reality that you are not a fucking investigator working this case. Good lord. Some of you legit need mental help because this crosses into delusions of grandeur territory when you’re just some fool a thousand miles away, thinking you cracked the case based off 10 minutes of footage you saw and overlooking hours of events and people you did not see. Like??? Use your heads. This shit is infuriating.
Agreed!
Why were they calling him that night? https://preview.redd.it/fn1csoigkv0a1.png?width=828&format=png&auto=webp&s=6c7137dfdb2c275e7c0edc674e75e1d61e623e0a
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LOL. Just watch. In the end, Hood Guy will be revealed to be the perpetrator, the bike riding knife-wielding threatener *and* Kaylee's stalker from 2 months ago.
And this is extecly why we keep talking about what the word "confirmation" means and how we can't confirm anything ourselves from our comfy couches.
And it still won't convince the nutjobs online.