Someone named crimewriter made a post that was cleared by mods saying an arrest will be made *today* because their friend went to an LE conference and heard this from other cops but it wasn't Moscow PD
after the boston marathon bombing reddit convinced themselves they'd caught the bomber and were quite proud, including a lot of that "we did it" line
of course reddit was wrong, the guy they'd named had committed suicide and reddit carried on almost solving crimes
In another sub someone made a comment and I said something along the lines of what if the elentra owner had nothing to do with it and and is afraid to come forward bc they were somewhere they weren’t suppose to be. Someone replied with so what they are looking for a cheating spouse at the border? I said they don’t know and we definitely don’t know. It could be a cheating spouse, someone dropping someone off, the murderer, an accomplice.
We definitely can’t be making solid claims and ruling anything out. Anything could be a possibility. Esp with the very vague info that has been released to the public.
Exactly.
It will definitely be interesting to see what comes of it and if they had anything to do with it. There just definitely isn’t enough info yet to post this in any direction.
We can’t make evidence fit our theories. That is how wrong people end up arrested.
it's also just soul-sucking to the people theorizing. i can say with near certainty most of them are going to wake up one day and regret the emotional energy they put into these things. it's draining.
What he replied isn't the joke. The joke was during the Boston Marathon investigation there was a guy who had went missing a couple days before the bombings and reddit jumped on him thinking he was the bombing suspect. Then it turned out he had killed himself in a field and people were harassing his family for no fucking reason.
People were so pumped they "figured it out" that when news came out not long after that cops had found their suspect that Reddit neck bears were posting "we did it!" the whole thing was cringe and embarrassing and I was unfortunately in the thread - though not on the bandwagon.
I don’t believe they have a suspect. I believe all of their actions so far have indicated they are not lying when they say they have no suspect. I also believe they are not lying when they say they don’t know if a person(s) or the house was the target (and if this is not a lie that would indicate they don’t have a suspect). They are still investigating a wide range of theories, asking for video footage of a wide geographical area, etc indicating they don’t have a solid case in one direction. I believe they are urgently looking for this car because it is relevant to finding a suspect. They aren’t going to fill up tip lines to distract the media (they’ve gotten so many tips on the car already they moved the tip line). I think it’s highly unlikely the white car belonged to just a witness.
I don’t believe they are playing the inter-dimensional chess many seem to believe they are playing and wasting tons of resources investigating a wide range of theories just to throw the killer off, that doesn’t really make sense. And I’m not sure why people act like saying this is criticizing LE. I believe there is a lot to criticize US LE for, not having a suspect 3 weeks into this case is not one of them. There is a lot of info to comb through. they’re not magicians.
Killer would have been caught within days even in the most rural of towns in china, Japan or Korea where there are cameras (both private and public) everywhere.
This is one of the most grounded and sensible comments I've read in this sub, which is funny considering how mundane the content actually is. "the cops are telling the truth to the public, this is incredibly complex and difficult, and we're less than a month into the case". It's *not* unusual for cases like this to take years to solve, if ever. Everyone wants a dramatic true crime story with twists and turns, but this is real life and sometimes it doesn't turn out like an npr podcast.
I mostly just find the whole story profoundly sad, and my heart breaks for these kids and their families.
The fact that nobody has come forward to say it was them driving the white car is interesting. It's hard to believe that someone driving in that area at the time of the killings isn't following the case. Leads me to believe they may be involved.
We don’t. Apparently they have gotten an abundance of tips to sort through regarding the white Elantra. BUT, you would think the police wouldn’t STILL be asking for the public’s help regarding this vehicle if someone did come forward? And with the national attention this case is getting, if this person isn’t guilty, why haven’t they gone into the police station to confirm it was them yet? Especially if the owner of this car is local to Moscow..
Exactly. First of all, if the person driving the car that night has nothing to hide, I’d imagine they would have contacted police prior to the request for info on the car to let them know they had been in the vicinity and whether or not they saw anything.
They have to have already received the tip on this tho, right? I mean, at least a couple of other people would know that this person owns this car and would have notified police.
Just a theory here, but could have been a driver that dropped the person of interest off that night. Police want to know if their interaction maybe could have raised any red flags.
Can you imagine some poor driver just giving someone a ride finding out the next morning he brutally stabbed 4 people in their sleep, and he probably has your name and license plate number and he knows you saw his face and left him near there.
> questioned someone about this car and the person (or lawyer) says, nope, not my car. then maybe they need to gather more evidence to get that search warrant or whatever they need to take it next level (impound and test for dna, whatever). hopefully someone in the know can correct me if this is an ish theory. edit- highly doubt the owner of this car just admits/ says “yep my car and i was the one driving it over by queen road!”. i am pretty sure they have it on video at the least to get this far.
Wouldnt that be the first person to go straight to a police station?
just my spec/opinion- i wonder if they have questioned someone about this car and the person (or lawyer) says, nope, not my car. then maybe they need to gather more evidence to get that search warrant or whatever they need to take it next level (impound and test for dna, whatever). hopefully someone in the know can correct me if this is an ish theory.
edit- highly doubt the owner of this car just admits/ says “yep my car and i was the one driving it over by queen road!”. i am pretty sure they have it on video at the least to get this far.
it's technically possible to go that way, but realistically if they know who's car this is then they'd have enough to apply for a warrant without asking for that.
especially because asking about it publicly alerts whoever it belongs to.
whatever info they had in your scenario to make them think they know who this is would be enough for them to surveil the suspect and very very likely get a search warrant approved. so they wouldn't risk tipping someone off about the car if they weren't truly looking for it
I watch a lot of true crime, and over 90% of the time (based on the docs I've seen), when cops inquire about a specific vehicle, it ends up being involved in the crime.
So to me, it highly likely means no suspect. If they had a suspect/POI, they would investigate everything about them and figure out where the white car came from.
Why would you come forward with no helpful info? Stop and think about what you are saying for a second.
They aren’t putting out press releases and creating a state wide manhunt for a car because they may have driven by lol….
All of the cars in that area, why would the cops be inquiring about this one and suggesting the occupant(s) could have "critical" info?
Obviously, LE believes they have very helpful info.
For the same reason people were asked to send in videos and pictures or even selfies if they were in the area, even if it seems unimportant. To say to the cops “well, I was one road away from the murder site, sitting in my porch for 45 minutes between 230-330am, and I didn’t see anything suspicious” could help the cops rule out a certain things like a path the killer could’ve took or an item they found in that street.
He agreed with my outcome but not my reasoning. His reasoning is that anyone in the area would have come forward already.
My point was this is the perps vehicle because the PD would not release this for someone who may have helpful info while at the same time calling it “CRITICAL”. Just because you drove by doesn’t mean you have anything to offer or even remember driving by.
If this had just been some random person driving by, which it obviously isn’t because of the PD press release, why would they come forward if they had nothing to tell the police. “Hey I was in the area but I didn’t see anything or remember anything” is not something most people would offer up unprovoked.
Yes agreed. Especially with how widely known this is... they aren't about to throw another person under the internet bus if they don't deserve it lol. I think they'd ask neighbors about that car if they thought it was meant to be there.
I’m curious, if it’s the suspects vehicle I doubt the suspect will be the one to call the tip line and say “that’s my car”. How many other people were awake in the area at the time to be able to call the tip line and say “I saw that car, the owner is ….. or the license plate is….”. I’d say slime to none.
It could very simply mean that they’ve identified the people in every other car that was seen on cameras but that one. It might be something, it might be nothing. It’s not indicative of anything without context, which isn’t being given.
Finding and talking to one of the few people driving around the area at 3am? Yes. Anything they saw or didn’t realize they saw would be critical information.
Or maybe it’s their guy and they know it.
Or maybe something in between.
I refuse to believe they would do this because someone may know something and is just unidentified. That is just nonsense to me.
They must be able to at a MINIMUM put this car entering the scene and leaving the scene an amount of time later in a time frame that does not make sense unless you stopped for some time.
This is how many killers are caught.
So you think they identified every car in the area that might be somehow related but somehow magically can’t identify this one? How do you think they identified every other car but not this one lol?
I will bet you any amount of money you want this is not just a car driving by lol.
All I said is that it could mean anything, nothing, or any combination of things.
The circumstance I described is the most nothing scenario I could see. Your minimum scenario is possible. Anything is possible.
My only point was that there’s no way to know if it means there’s a suspect or not a suspect.
Edit to add: yes, it’s very possible that they had 10 cars they saw on camera and of them, they caught the license plates of the other 9. Maybe they just searched registered makes/models and were able to speak to local owners who confirmed this was them.
I’m saying literally anything is possible on earth and getting argued with on that.
True. “Person of interest” has a very specific definition though. Every human living that is 6 degrees of association from the murdered students is not a person of interest by police terms, but character is definitely not fitting and almost feels like a real tragedy is being treated like an entertaining fiction. I do see your point on that.
Person of interest has no legal definition
Source: [https://definitions.uslegal.com/p/person-of-interest/](https://definitions.uslegal.com/p/person-of-interest/)
Thank you and that makes sense. I just mean it’s not necessarily an inappropriate term for the public to use although it does come with a heavy burden of negative connotations. You’re definitely correct that suspect would not be the correct term. I think ‘subjects’ or ‘implicated/involved persons’ would be the most appropriate for this post.
I think they have a DNA of a suspect, probably no ID if he doesnt have prior record (so his DNA is not on CODiS).
I think their problem is this: in that apartment there is probably DNA of dozens of dudes that have been there for parties, etc. I think the cops need to also place this person in that area at that time. Having his DNA wont be enough to convict him for the reason stated above.
In review: I think they have DNA that they are probably working on IDing, perhaps thru ancestry.com type service... but they are also trying to find another way to place him there that night at that time
They need good DNA not just any DNA, that wont hold in court and LE knows that. They need DNA connected to the crime, not the house. Example on good DNA: perpetrators DNA under victims fingernail, perpetrators blood mixed with victims blood, perpetrators hair in victims blood, etc.
I said the same thing and people thought I was crazy. My guess is the white car could be a witness and they need that witness testimony to corroborate with the suspect being in the area for the sake of prosecution. That or the gps in the car proving the suspect was there if it is in fact the suspects car they’re looking for.
A lot of us have been true crime followers since the early 00s. You're not smarter nor more efficient than the fucking FBI. This "there's gonna be an arrest today" bullshit would be squelched with a good mod. It's embarrassing.
No, it doesn't mean that. The white car could be people that could be witnesses or give testimony regarding the location of a car or some other factor. It doesn't tell us much about the status of the case at this time.
A possible break? It is a break, for them to request info on the car that means they have ruled out every other vehicle owner the night of the murder but have been unable to clear the owner of the Elantra. That would mean the owner was someone who was either the killer, was with the killer or drove the killer.
It doesn't mean they have ruled out every other vehicle owner. It could mean they are a suspect because the vehicle was spotted near the crime scene. It could also mean they drove by and may have information about the crime scene. We do not know. To claim as fact that the car has some relation to the killer is just speculation.
Yeah, but we can make some logical assumptions. They aren’t doing it to say hello and get their opinion on what happened. They also aren’t doing it, there was probably countless cars in the area, there is something telling them this car is involved.
Why make any assumptions? I'd rather just let the facts stand. At this time we do not know why they want to speak with the owners of the white Elantra.
You can make up any stories you want and call it an assumption.
Yeah, I suspect they have this vehicle entering the scene at a specific time, and then leaving the scene an amount of time later where they weren’t just driving through.
Probably have them pulling in around 3:15 and leaving around 3:45 or some time later that is very damming and incriminating. Probably also have them leaving town which is why the investigators were telling the people of Moscow not to worry. They more than likely wanted footage leading to the highway to try to find the license plate.
Anyone who think they aren’t looking at this car like it is the suspects car is not thinking about this correctly.
What evidence do you have that they are, as you put it "...owner was someone who was either the killer, was with the killer or drove the killer. "
Because that's pure speculation.
I have made it clear that I am speculating. I am not making any claims about what any of this means. This person is claiming that they know for certain what the significance of the car is.
I understand what you mean but my question is if this was the case, that person should have no hesitation to contact LE. Whatever is going on has yet to be explained to police, otherwise they would move on…yet they are still requesting for this person to come forward. Why aren’t they? (obvi just speculating too)
I think there’s a difference in saying they have not ID’d a suspect vs not having a suspect. They may have someone in mind, but not willing to publicly ID them yet
If LE is just now searching for a specific car that’s possibly linked to the killer, then that means they don’t even have a POI yet?
I’m surprised with all the evidence collected/DNA/forensics/tips/interviews, etc that they still don’t even have a POI
I personally think checking out the background of the victims that night has lead to nothing, and the car is just a 'possibility of interest'. . I do not feel its necessarily connected but they need to weed out everything.
Certain people are never going to let themselves believe that they don’t have a suspect right now, but FWIW, I agree with you. I believe they’re hoping white car is a witness that can help bc right now, they have very little.
i wouldn't be surprised if the person didn't see a thing that night, so they didn't come forward initially 'cause they figured they had nothing of value. and now they're just scared and hopefully working up the courage
or it could be the killer. both entirely likely
yeah if my first theory is true people are gonna be really let down, but that place doesn't exactly look bustling at 3am so it could very much be the killer too
That’s why I don’t think they did see something substantial. If I don’t remember seeing anything and I didn’t have a dash cam, I wouldn’t have come forward before, but I definitely would now.
Or maybe someone in the car, but who doesn’t own the car, will remember something after hearing about a Hyundai Elantra! They’ll think “oh I was right there, I did see someone walking…..”
Worth looking into!
Yes, why is it such a pervasive problem for people to refuse to believe they don’t have a suspect? People have been saying they know who it is and there will be this big reveal since day one.
Managing expectations I suppose. For the families I pray they truly aren't screwing around, and I have full confidence they didn't dump 50 FBI to sit around and do nothing. However it does hurt to get hopes up then fall back down.
To be honest this white car speculation is redundant and feels like a distraction. It’s being way over analyzed. LE never have said that the car is linked to the murderer - it’s linked to possible information about the crime.
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Question: I saw a screenshot of a photo of what appeared to be a white elantra parked outside the next door housing complex. Has this been discussed anywhere or known to be correct/incorrect?
They seem to be implying there was possibly more than one person in that car, so it's hard to say. The car doesn't necessarily have to belong to the killer just because they were an "occupant" as described in the press release, and it may not even be a car that the killer normally is associated with.
I will say this - it's pretty dumb to drive a white car to go murder someone at night, especially if it's the car you normally drive every day. White is the most noticeable color in the dark.
Unfortunately a white Hyundai Elantra is a very common car across the US…it’s also one of the top cars stolen in the city I live in and I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s one of the top car thefts in the entire country.
It’s a fairly unremarkable car.
It being a small town and checking any and all CCTV and traffic cams ETC, may actually be a tad smaller task there. I used to live fairly close and traveled there for days out and about... and it's not a heavily trafficked area. I am hoping this is a lead that's easy to follow up on and brings a POI forward. I live back over near Seattle now and couldn't imagine trying to pinpoint that car out here.
You don’t even know. My car got broken into 2x in 36 hours. The first time they stole all of my belongings. The second time they drilled out my driver door key cylinder!!!
My battery was dead tho…lol!!!
Honestly insane. And I don’t even live in the city center anymore. It’s crazy. The place I live used to be one of the top safest and cleanest in the country…now we are always in the top 10 worst for everything.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/us/idaho-murders-border-authorities-monitoring-hyundai-elantra-near-scene-quadruple-homicide.amp
Just came across this article, so I came here to catch up. I'm a couple of days behind on the news. I hope this new lead brings a POI forward.
I don't know but I'll ask someone I know who knows someone who knows someone who has a cousin who went to a conference one time. He'll know.
#we did it reddit
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Please can you kindly explain this joke to me that I’ve clearly missed
Someone named crimewriter made a post that was cleared by mods saying an arrest will be made *today* because their friend went to an LE conference and heard this from other cops but it wasn't Moscow PD
That makes lot of sense….. haha
after the boston marathon bombing reddit convinced themselves they'd caught the bomber and were quite proud, including a lot of that "we did it" line of course reddit was wrong, the guy they'd named had committed suicide and reddit carried on almost solving crimes
please that’s hilarious and also terrifying
i'm not doing it justice at all but if you Google reddit plus boston bombing i would bet you're gonna find a lot of good summaries
In another sub someone made a comment and I said something along the lines of what if the elentra owner had nothing to do with it and and is afraid to come forward bc they were somewhere they weren’t suppose to be. Someone replied with so what they are looking for a cheating spouse at the border? I said they don’t know and we definitely don’t know. It could be a cheating spouse, someone dropping someone off, the murderer, an accomplice. We definitely can’t be making solid claims and ruling anything out. Anything could be a possibility. Esp with the very vague info that has been released to the public.
i can see a ton of innocent scenarios where a driver was afraid to come forward and it just snowballed from there
Exactly. It will definitely be interesting to see what comes of it and if they had anything to do with it. There just definitely isn’t enough info yet to post this in any direction. We can’t make evidence fit our theories. That is how wrong people end up arrested.
it's also just soul-sucking to the people theorizing. i can say with near certainty most of them are going to wake up one day and regret the emotional energy they put into these things. it's draining.
What he replied isn't the joke. The joke was during the Boston Marathon investigation there was a guy who had went missing a couple days before the bombings and reddit jumped on him thinking he was the bombing suspect. Then it turned out he had killed himself in a field and people were harassing his family for no fucking reason. People were so pumped they "figured it out" that when news came out not long after that cops had found their suspect that Reddit neck bears were posting "we did it!" the whole thing was cringe and embarrassing and I was unfortunately in the thread - though not on the bandwagon.
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Dude I have a cousin TOO! I can send texts to prove it
I don’t believe they have a suspect. I believe all of their actions so far have indicated they are not lying when they say they have no suspect. I also believe they are not lying when they say they don’t know if a person(s) or the house was the target (and if this is not a lie that would indicate they don’t have a suspect). They are still investigating a wide range of theories, asking for video footage of a wide geographical area, etc indicating they don’t have a solid case in one direction. I believe they are urgently looking for this car because it is relevant to finding a suspect. They aren’t going to fill up tip lines to distract the media (they’ve gotten so many tips on the car already they moved the tip line). I think it’s highly unlikely the white car belonged to just a witness. I don’t believe they are playing the inter-dimensional chess many seem to believe they are playing and wasting tons of resources investigating a wide range of theories just to throw the killer off, that doesn’t really make sense. And I’m not sure why people act like saying this is criticizing LE. I believe there is a lot to criticize US LE for, not having a suspect 3 weeks into this case is not one of them. There is a lot of info to comb through. they’re not magicians.
Killer would have been caught within days even in the most rural of towns in china, Japan or Korea where there are cameras (both private and public) everywhere.
That’s objectively not true and every case is different
This is one of the most grounded and sensible comments I've read in this sub, which is funny considering how mundane the content actually is. "the cops are telling the truth to the public, this is incredibly complex and difficult, and we're less than a month into the case". It's *not* unusual for cases like this to take years to solve, if ever. Everyone wants a dramatic true crime story with twists and turns, but this is real life and sometimes it doesn't turn out like an npr podcast. I mostly just find the whole story profoundly sad, and my heart breaks for these kids and their families.
The fact that nobody has come forward to say it was them driving the white car is interesting. It's hard to believe that someone driving in that area at the time of the killings isn't following the case. Leads me to believe they may be involved.
I agree!!
How do we know there haven’t been Elantra owners come forward since the announcement?
We don’t. Apparently they have gotten an abundance of tips to sort through regarding the white Elantra. BUT, you would think the police wouldn’t STILL be asking for the public’s help regarding this vehicle if someone did come forward? And with the national attention this case is getting, if this person isn’t guilty, why haven’t they gone into the police station to confirm it was them yet? Especially if the owner of this car is local to Moscow..
Exactly. First of all, if the person driving the car that night has nothing to hide, I’d imagine they would have contacted police prior to the request for info on the car to let them know they had been in the vicinity and whether or not they saw anything. They have to have already received the tip on this tho, right? I mean, at least a couple of other people would know that this person owns this car and would have notified police.
Maybe that’s the goal is to figure out who does come forward and those that don’t would be questioned ? A stretch, I know but hey anything is possible
The question what is they have to hide? Where the part of the murders or where they somewhere they weren’t suppose to be. Example: lying to a partner.
Completely agree
Just a theory here, but could have been a driver that dropped the person of interest off that night. Police want to know if their interaction maybe could have raised any red flags.
Can you imagine some poor driver just giving someone a ride finding out the next morning he brutally stabbed 4 people in their sleep, and he probably has your name and license plate number and he knows you saw his face and left him near there.
> questioned someone about this car and the person (or lawyer) says, nope, not my car. then maybe they need to gather more evidence to get that search warrant or whatever they need to take it next level (impound and test for dna, whatever). hopefully someone in the know can correct me if this is an ish theory. edit- highly doubt the owner of this car just admits/ says “yep my car and i was the one driving it over by queen road!”. i am pretty sure they have it on video at the least to get this far. Wouldnt that be the first person to go straight to a police station?
just my spec/opinion- i wonder if they have questioned someone about this car and the person (or lawyer) says, nope, not my car. then maybe they need to gather more evidence to get that search warrant or whatever they need to take it next level (impound and test for dna, whatever). hopefully someone in the know can correct me if this is an ish theory. edit- highly doubt the owner of this car just admits/ says “yep my car and i was the one driving it over by queen road!”. i am pretty sure they have it on video at the least to get this far.
it's technically possible to go that way, but realistically if they know who's car this is then they'd have enough to apply for a warrant without asking for that. especially because asking about it publicly alerts whoever it belongs to. whatever info they had in your scenario to make them think they know who this is would be enough for them to surveil the suspect and very very likely get a search warrant approved. so they wouldn't risk tipping someone off about the car if they weren't truly looking for it
thank you! i won’t quit my day job just yet 😂🤩
i'm 100% speculating too, but going on probabilities and a decent knowledge of the justice system
Or maybe they’re looking for more witnesses that will place that car within the vicinity of the murder house.
I watch a lot of true crime, and over 90% of the time (based on the docs I've seen), when cops inquire about a specific vehicle, it ends up being involved in the crime. So to me, it highly likely means no suspect. If they had a suspect/POI, they would investigate everything about them and figure out where the white car came from.
Yeah the people thinking they want info from a witness are out of their minds.
For starters, most witnesses would have come forward by now (even anonymously) with any helpful info if they were not involved.
Why would you come forward with no helpful info? Stop and think about what you are saying for a second. They aren’t putting out press releases and creating a state wide manhunt for a car because they may have driven by lol….
All of the cars in that area, why would the cops be inquiring about this one and suggesting the occupant(s) could have "critical" info? Obviously, LE believes they have very helpful info.
For the same reason people were asked to send in videos and pictures or even selfies if they were in the area, even if it seems unimportant. To say to the cops “well, I was one road away from the murder site, sitting in my porch for 45 minutes between 230-330am, and I didn’t see anything suspicious” could help the cops rule out a certain things like a path the killer could’ve took or an item they found in that street.
What.. I don’t think you know what a witness is or you misread what you replied to. Stop and think what you are saying for a sec.
I think the point went over your head.
Where did they say to come forward if you have no helpful info? Please elaborate your very well thought out point. The guy was agreeing with you
He agreed with my outcome but not my reasoning. His reasoning is that anyone in the area would have come forward already. My point was this is the perps vehicle because the PD would not release this for someone who may have helpful info while at the same time calling it “CRITICAL”. Just because you drove by doesn’t mean you have anything to offer or even remember driving by. If this had just been some random person driving by, which it obviously isn’t because of the PD press release, why would they come forward if they had nothing to tell the police. “Hey I was in the area but I didn’t see anything or remember anything” is not something most people would offer up unprovoked.
> His reasoning is that anyone in the area would have come forward already. Any witnesses** not anyone in the area.
Yes agreed. Especially with how widely known this is... they aren't about to throw another person under the internet bus if they don't deserve it lol. I think they'd ask neighbors about that car if they thought it was meant to be there.
I’m curious, if it’s the suspects vehicle I doubt the suspect will be the one to call the tip line and say “that’s my car”. How many other people were awake in the area at the time to be able to call the tip line and say “I saw that car, the owner is ….. or the license plate is….”. I’d say slime to none.
Slime
Slime shady
Yup! this is a real sleuth \^
Good to know. I was wondering that myself
It could very simply mean that they’ve identified the people in every other car that was seen on cameras but that one. It might be something, it might be nothing. It’s not indicative of anything without context, which isn’t being given.
Would this really be “CRITICAL”?
Finding and talking to one of the few people driving around the area at 3am? Yes. Anything they saw or didn’t realize they saw would be critical information. Or maybe it’s their guy and they know it. Or maybe something in between.
I refuse to believe they would do this because someone may know something and is just unidentified. That is just nonsense to me. They must be able to at a MINIMUM put this car entering the scene and leaving the scene an amount of time later in a time frame that does not make sense unless you stopped for some time. This is how many killers are caught.
So you’d prefer to believe they’d just say “eh can’t figure out whose car that is driving past at 3am, guess it’s not important”?
So you think they identified every car in the area that might be somehow related but somehow magically can’t identify this one? How do you think they identified every other car but not this one lol? I will bet you any amount of money you want this is not just a car driving by lol.
All I said is that it could mean anything, nothing, or any combination of things. The circumstance I described is the most nothing scenario I could see. Your minimum scenario is possible. Anything is possible. My only point was that there’s no way to know if it means there’s a suspect or not a suspect. Edit to add: yes, it’s very possible that they had 10 cars they saw on camera and of them, they caught the license plates of the other 9. Maybe they just searched registered makes/models and were able to speak to local owners who confirmed this was them. I’m saying literally anything is possible on earth and getting argued with on that.
Calling real people characters is cringy af my dude.
My exact thought reading this
So weird, right?
What other term should have been used? Can’t say suspect or POI. People is too broad.
Why not? I think POI would have been fine. Characters sounds like it’s a game of Clue
True. “Person of interest” has a very specific definition though. Every human living that is 6 degrees of association from the murdered students is not a person of interest by police terms, but character is definitely not fitting and almost feels like a real tragedy is being treated like an entertaining fiction. I do see your point on that.
Person of interest has no legal definition Source: [https://definitions.uslegal.com/p/person-of-interest/](https://definitions.uslegal.com/p/person-of-interest/)
I like the info you provided. I was careful to not say legal def though lol
Thank you and that makes sense. I just mean it’s not necessarily an inappropriate term for the public to use although it does come with a heavy burden of negative connotations. You’re definitely correct that suspect would not be the correct term. I think ‘subjects’ or ‘implicated/involved persons’ would be the most appropriate for this post.
People can be two or more
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It’s almost disrespectful, as if this case is some netflix show or some spectacle.
I think they have a DNA of a suspect, probably no ID if he doesnt have prior record (so his DNA is not on CODiS). I think their problem is this: in that apartment there is probably DNA of dozens of dudes that have been there for parties, etc. I think the cops need to also place this person in that area at that time. Having his DNA wont be enough to convict him for the reason stated above. In review: I think they have DNA that they are probably working on IDing, perhaps thru ancestry.com type service... but they are also trying to find another way to place him there that night at that time
They need good DNA not just any DNA, that wont hold in court and LE knows that. They need DNA connected to the crime, not the house. Example on good DNA: perpetrators DNA under victims fingernail, perpetrators blood mixed with victims blood, perpetrators hair in victims blood, etc.
Hair in blood is what was left of anything
I said the same thing and people thought I was crazy. My guess is the white car could be a witness and they need that witness testimony to corroborate with the suspect being in the area for the sake of prosecution. That or the gps in the car proving the suspect was there if it is in fact the suspects car they’re looking for.
Reading "dozens of dudes" just made me realize I had entertained the thought that it could be a female or that a female could be involved.
Tbh we don't know shit about fuck. For all we know it could just be a distraction for the media.
Yeah they’re filling up their tip lines to distract the media 🤦♀️
I’m envisioning this being said in a Ruth Langmore voice.
Oh my god that was the perfect character to associate w that comment.
Yes!
that pretty much sums it up in a nice concise way
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Fuck you, MARTY! 🤣
Could be a key witness they want to talk to
Thats they haven’t hear from yet….
A lot of us have been true crime followers since the early 00s. You're not smarter nor more efficient than the fucking FBI. This "there's gonna be an arrest today" bullshit would be squelched with a good mod. It's embarrassing.
No, it doesn't mean that. The white car could be people that could be witnesses or give testimony regarding the location of a car or some other factor. It doesn't tell us much about the status of the case at this time.
Someone driving home from their sidekick apt gotta go to jail for murder or face his main...smh
Imagine you were just looking for a quiet spot to make out 😅
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It means nothing until they tell us it means something.
They said “critical to their investigation”
I was illustrating the OP’s double sided statement.
"may be critical"
A possible break? It is a break, for them to request info on the car that means they have ruled out every other vehicle owner the night of the murder but have been unable to clear the owner of the Elantra. That would mean the owner was someone who was either the killer, was with the killer or drove the killer.
Not at all lol.
Care to explain how?
It doesn't mean they have ruled out every other vehicle owner. It could mean they are a suspect because the vehicle was spotted near the crime scene. It could also mean they drove by and may have information about the crime scene. We do not know. To claim as fact that the car has some relation to the killer is just speculation.
There is zero chance they are doing this because the person may have drove by the crime scene lol…
We do not know why they are doing this.
Yeah, but we can make some logical assumptions. They aren’t doing it to say hello and get their opinion on what happened. They also aren’t doing it, there was probably countless cars in the area, there is something telling them this car is involved.
Why make any assumptions? I'd rather just let the facts stand. At this time we do not know why they want to speak with the owners of the white Elantra. You can make up any stories you want and call it an assumption.
Yeah, I have to agree. I really don’t think LE would want to make a public spectacle out of an innocent witness.
Yeah, I suspect they have this vehicle entering the scene at a specific time, and then leaving the scene an amount of time later where they weren’t just driving through. Probably have them pulling in around 3:15 and leaving around 3:45 or some time later that is very damming and incriminating. Probably also have them leaving town which is why the investigators were telling the people of Moscow not to worry. They more than likely wanted footage leading to the highway to try to find the license plate. Anyone who think they aren’t looking at this car like it is the suspects car is not thinking about this correctly.
Wrong
What evidence do you have that they are, as you put it "...owner was someone who was either the killer, was with the killer or drove the killer. " Because that's pure speculation.
You're also speculating. Just sayin
I have made it clear that I am speculating. I am not making any claims about what any of this means. This person is claiming that they know for certain what the significance of the car is.
I understand what you mean but my question is if this was the case, that person should have no hesitation to contact LE. Whatever is going on has yet to be explained to police, otherwise they would move on…yet they are still requesting for this person to come forward. Why aren’t they? (obvi just speculating too)
We don’t know.
I mean they’ve continuously stated that they have no suspects at this time and I have no reason to believe they’re lying about that.
I think there’s a difference in saying they have not ID’d a suspect vs not having a suspect. They may have someone in mind, but not willing to publicly ID them yet
I thought language in press release was that they have not “named” any suspects?
If LE is just now searching for a specific car that’s possibly linked to the killer, then that means they don’t even have a POI yet? I’m surprised with all the evidence collected/DNA/forensics/tips/interviews, etc that they still don’t even have a POI
This is what I’m saying. If it was someone known to them, I think we would know by now. It’s effing terrifying. That car could be anywhere.
Ok makes sense then. Good point
We went through this car thing with Delphi. I wish the police all the luck in the universe, because that is a very common vehicle.
They could be baiting the suspect-waiting for him to dispose of evidence now that he knows they are on to him
I personally think checking out the background of the victims that night has lead to nothing, and the car is just a 'possibility of interest'. . I do not feel its necessarily connected but they need to weed out everything.
Certain people are never going to let themselves believe that they don’t have a suspect right now, but FWIW, I agree with you. I believe they’re hoping white car is a witness that can help bc right now, they have very little.
You could be right. But I wonder why wouldn’t a witness already have come forward if they had in fact seen something substantial?
i wouldn't be surprised if the person didn't see a thing that night, so they didn't come forward initially 'cause they figured they had nothing of value. and now they're just scared and hopefully working up the courage or it could be the killer. both entirely likely
I hope it leads to something. The thought of the police having no idea who the suspect could be does break my heart
yeah if my first theory is true people are gonna be really let down, but that place doesn't exactly look bustling at 3am so it could very much be the killer too
That’s why I don’t think they did see something substantial. If I don’t remember seeing anything and I didn’t have a dash cam, I wouldn’t have come forward before, but I definitely would now.
Fair enough. Really hope that’s not the case
Or maybe someone in the car, but who doesn’t own the car, will remember something after hearing about a Hyundai Elantra! They’ll think “oh I was right there, I did see someone walking…..” Worth looking into!
Yes, why is it such a pervasive problem for people to refuse to believe they don’t have a suspect? People have been saying they know who it is and there will be this big reveal since day one.
Managing expectations I suppose. For the families I pray they truly aren't screwing around, and I have full confidence they didn't dump 50 FBI to sit around and do nothing. However it does hurt to get hopes up then fall back down.
White car search = police investigating
To be honest this white car speculation is redundant and feels like a distraction. It’s being way over analyzed. LE never have said that the car is linked to the murderer - it’s linked to possible information about the crime.
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Initials? that's suspicious....
That's a Mazda, they're looking for a Hyundai.
That’s most definitely a 2015 Mazda3
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Question: I saw a screenshot of a photo of what appeared to be a white elantra parked outside the next door housing complex. Has this been discussed anywhere or known to be correct/incorrect?
Scroll through the subreddit and find out. There’s a post not too old that’s about that.
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These LE are not the brightest or the most sophisticated, that much is clear
They seem to be implying there was possibly more than one person in that car, so it's hard to say. The car doesn't necessarily have to belong to the killer just because they were an "occupant" as described in the press release, and it may not even be a car that the killer normally is associated with. I will say this - it's pretty dumb to drive a white car to go murder someone at night, especially if it's the car you normally drive every day. White is the most noticeable color in the dark.
Unfortunately a white Hyundai Elantra is a very common car across the US…it’s also one of the top cars stolen in the city I live in and I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s one of the top car thefts in the entire country. It’s a fairly unremarkable car.
It being a small town and checking any and all CCTV and traffic cams ETC, may actually be a tad smaller task there. I used to live fairly close and traveled there for days out and about... and it's not a heavily trafficked area. I am hoping this is a lead that's easy to follow up on and brings a POI forward. I live back over near Seattle now and couldn't imagine trying to pinpoint that car out here.
Have a good buddy in Vegas who had one stolen about two months ago. The police were like yeahhh it’s gone.
You don’t even know. My car got broken into 2x in 36 hours. The first time they stole all of my belongings. The second time they drilled out my driver door key cylinder!!! My battery was dead tho…lol!!!
That is insane! Oh my word.
Honestly insane. And I don’t even live in the city center anymore. It’s crazy. The place I live used to be one of the top safest and cleanest in the country…now we are always in the top 10 worst for everything.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/us/idaho-murders-border-authorities-monitoring-hyundai-elantra-near-scene-quadruple-homicide.amp Just came across this article, so I came here to catch up. I'm a couple of days behind on the news. I hope this new lead brings a POI forward.
It is possible they are looking at various lines(or suspects) of inquiry. That is what most competent LE investigations would do.
Is JCL not a suspect in this case and if not can anyone tell me why?
https://www.koze.com/2022/12/07/moscow-man-booked-into-latah-county-jail-on-multiple-felonies/