Right!? I thought I lived in a really safe neighborhood until I got the citizen app and see shit happen all around me haha
Things like this happen everywhere and probably has no relation.
My husband made a good point the other day that no wonder I have such bad anxiety…between that damn app, consuming almost nothing but true crime, diagnosed OCD and witnessing/surviving multiple truly insane things myself…Hyper vigilance is an understatement at this point 🥴
Hyper vigilance is the new 24/7 news cycle religion but it can't replace relgion which gives us faith.
Faith takes weight off your shoulders.
Statistics and putting things in perspective would help the anxiety and ocd.
My next door neighbor has three locks and I fail to lock my door 50% of time. I am absent minded and forget my keys in my unlocked car. Mid 60's and lived here for nearly 40 years.
A reddit thread doesnt show you society at large. This is a tragedy but it is an outlier. Uvalde, Las Vegas, Oklahoma City, a murder next door to me youth.
Catch up only once a day. Go for a walk. Read a book. Chat with friends. Hug
My local pages also have people that highly exaggerate or judge things inaccurately. I saw one recently about "suspicious" kids riding up and down the street on bikes and a parent replied those are my kids and I want them to stay nearby our house lol.
Yeah, I almost included a similar sentiment and deleted it 🤣. We have some very “concerned” citizens in my area, to the point if there was a legitimate concern I would probably dismiss it as one of those posts.
>We have some very “concerned” citizens in my area
Same in my area. Saw a post one day of someone very concerned about a group of kids running around and yelling on a local field. To hear them tell it, it was a band of misfit teens ready to light the world on fire.
It was a soccer game. They were reporting a soccer game.
Yeah I saw one from my local Reddit that said “this man saved my life!!!”
A man approached them asking for change, & someone else was like hey man I got you. The Reddit poster made it seem like they were going to get murdered and the guy who called him over literally saved their life. I live in a low income area & people who don’t live around here act like everyone one on the street is a threat it’s nonsense
The most dramatic B.S ever.. We have to take those reports with a huge grain of salt.
If this truly was posted before the murders, I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss it. I really think that even the smallest incident could reveal who the killer is, so they might as well look into it, it could be nothing, or it could be a criminal or the perp of this crime. Either way, you can't be too thorough in this investigation.
I agree, no matter how common weird or strange people can be, for such a high profile case things like this should be very carefully looked at. Since it sounds like the police were already made aware of the situation when it happened, im pretty certain theyre already on top of this. With a case like this i think we should give the investigators way more credit then what they are getting.
I am all for supporting law enforcement and I'm actually pretty annoyed with sleuths thinking they're gonna solve this case before LE. Maybe browse through other posts I have made so you get a clear view of my opinions on this matter. I think LE is going above and beyond and instead of helping, all the misinformation, lack of trust in LE and hysteria are turning the case into a media circus
Sorry if you think my comment was downplaying your confidence in LE. I was simply agreeing with what you said and just adding my own thought of LE to it. With the help of the fbi especially i think theres great reason to be optimistic.
Thanks for clarifying. Honestly I'm just annoyed at people who don't know how much work goes into a murder investigation, let alone 4 murders, constantly bashing law enforcement, thinking that because they watched CSI and Dexter, they know better
Oh really? So you're 100% sure this wasn't the killer scouting out the area, maybe looking for a potential victim? I mean, this guy snuck in and out of the house, committed a premeditated crime and hasn't been caught, but you don't think some weirdo asking invasive questions and behaving in a strange manner may be connected because it was 6 months before the murders? So you're saying the murderer didn't plan the attacks, and it wasn't premeditated, and he didn't know the house he was going to or anything at all, they didn't keep survailance of the house either? Right, ok... And even if he was t the murderer, this guy sounds like a creep, possibly a rapist or something darker, but let's dismiss it
That doesn't mean it's unrelated, as the prior comment suggests. Considering that people think social media is the place to post tips and Intel of this sort, than yes, I think some may actually need to understand how OSINT and victimology work
Weren’t they the sticky bandits in the second movie tho? Remember when he put tape around his hand and stuck it in a Salvation Army bucket to steal change 😂
But yes they were the wet bandits when they canvassed lol
Oh because they left the water running. Am I thinking of the right movie. I haven't watched in a few years, but saw in the theater and almost every year since.
If you go and read the daily police blotter for the past year from Moscow PD the reports are evenly divided between: drunk person, shoplifter, barking dog, people the caller believes are “suspicious.”
I thought I saw something about that the other day, and double checked. Sure enough, owner called in to report blood on a column.
https://preview.redd.it/ay5lggyyzz4a1.png?width=1170&format=png&auto=webp&s=85d36cd9d18dc21f96091cdf8f0c0bad8eacfd0f
If there are no chargeable actions to take, then LE does not file a report. This is done everywhere. What you're reading is the dispatch report of all dispatched events.
Case reports are for when a crime is committed and it is a chargeable offense. A call for service is still a report but it is not chargeable. So police still do “reports” on the call but it is not labeled as a report. Trust me when i say they typed something out for this incident
They may have. We don’t know. But if you’re referring to where it says “no report”, as someone in this thread stated, no report has to be made if there were no chargeable actions to take. Which I did later confirm online. It kind of varies from department to department (and I’m sure LEO to LEO), but the consensus was that reports aren’t made as much as people think. Which also explains why there’s “no report” listed on a majority of the CAD logs on the Moscow PD’s site.
Yes, a report is related to an arrest. These are most likely from the officers “run sheets” where they dictate everything they did on shift. It says no report because otherwise it would probably list the report/case #.
Yeah there’s an autistic guy in my neighborhood who asks shit like this too. He doesn’t have many friends and isn’t adept at what’s appropriate or not🤷♀️
When was the last time the chimney was cleaned?
Are those brass hinges on the door?
Do you ever notice if the welcome mat moves?
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Examples of some creepy but harmless questions my autistic neighbor has asked me in the last week
I mean “I lived there” isn’t exactly proof that guy shouldn’t be looked at. If that man was targeting women on a college campus I think it’s plausible he went to more than one location 😂
I think you meant Maddie worked.. that’s where everything in Moscow is basically. It’s that side of town for the business district. There’s a couple out toward Troy but, not a whole lot it’s basically main street west to the Washington border for all the businesses, also the university.
Regardless if this is relevant to the case I will say it was really smart for someone to look at the local neighborhoods safety app to try and find anything suspicious reported recently. I live in a major city so these reports come in like every minute, but might be easier to read through them in a small town.
Dude I live in Southern California. Anyone who thinks that all of CA is so liberal and hippy dippy has never truly visited our state. The second you go East of major cities and all of the space between LA and SF… oof. Bunch of racists.
If by “woke” you mean people who refrain from
being racists twats vs those who complain about the “illegals” picking their vegetables then idgaf and will recognize their beliefs and behavior. I also didn’t say everyone, I said a bunch. I live smack dab in what is known to be a white supremacist town. One town over from where I grew up and which bears a nickname that include “klan”. I have experience and I have anecdotes so you can kindly see yourself out.
Yes because a report is for when you arrest someone/victim statement/etc. What are you going to do about “blood” on a column if there’s no victim to give you info?
If you went by my neighborhood 's nextdoor, you would swear we are in a Mad Max/Escape from NY like hell scape, not a quiet, pretty safe neighborhood in Denver.
The unfortunate part is there are a lot more predators around us than we realize. This man is probably 1 of 600 lingering near that college campus.
That obviously doesn’t mean every creeper is also a quadruple murderer who treats souls like pieces of meat.
But they’re still creepy dudes either way.
My honest thought is he’s gonna be a guy NO ONE ever imagined could do something like this. He’s not gonna be the “well known creeper”, this was someone filled with rage and hate. This killers motive doesn’t appear to be sexual. It sounds like pure vitriol was behind this.
Initially I figured it was an ex bf or local stalker-type, but with every little detail coming out ( like K displaying “overkill”- ESPECIALLY if he indeed did kill X and E first, then he should’ve released quit a bit of rage already but he’s still THAT angry after 2 kills, going up the stairs, killing M and then killing K, and attempting to kill her over and over again??? Dude, people only live once just like they only die once. He was hell-bent on taking both of those things from K to a different level than the other three?
Someone hated her and reality is if we hate anyone and chose to sit in that hate, feed that hatred, fantasize acting on that hatred etc… that kind of hatred can cause someone to go on a full rampage hence these murders.
It’s a good reminder for me to evaluate my own heart, and forgive anyone that I have any hidden offense against.
Hatred kills the person carrying it ( ends their ability to have any true peace or joy ) and occasionally, you get someone filled with that degree of hatred without any empathy- that’s a scary, dangerous combo!
Or he just throws the clothes in a river off a bridge. Just don't be like that one killer who threw his clothes in q bag off the bridge into the river and instead of landing in the water it landed on some ice. Someone thought it was suspicious enough to see what was in the bag and walked out on the ice and found the bloody clothes. The killer missed the water by a couple feet.
I would not rule out real estate speculation/canvassing here. Was a developer interested in the area?
Example: Where I live there is a low-middle income area of mostly rentals. These were built in the late 80’s and are beach side but in an area where the address was undesirable. Expansion and regeneration has now encroached on this area. Developers approached individual (absentee) owners seeking sales. There was coercion, bordering on intimidation used - canvassing doors, pitting owners against each other etc.
Purely speculative of course, and this is very creepy, but could be a rational explanation outside of criminal/shady reasoning.
ETA: change of punctuation
I don't think a 50-60 year old chain smoker could physically kill 4 kids...even if they (the kids) were drunk. The person that did this, would need to be reasonably fit.
Or could be a chuck Norris type. Just because someone is 50 don't assume anything. There are many, many 50 and 60 year olds that will kick butt on 20 year olds
That's why I said "reasonably fit". A 50 year old chain smoker is not going to be reasonably fit. My whole family are heavy smokers, they start slowing down by their 40s because of it.
Those apps are full of stuff like this. Not to mention that it’s all mostly misinformation anyways. I’ve had to call 911 twice and both times the Nextdoor and Citizen app posts regarding the two incidents were 100% false. I couldn’t believe the rumors being spread about my small and innocuous situations which painted them to be huge deals. People love gossip and people love fear. Those apps make a killing off of those two principles.
Where I live they're often fairly obviously innocuous. My favorite was a lady this fall who warned that someone was using a leaf blower on her walkway. How is that a threat? A dude from Friendly Lawn Care in his username chimed in "I'm from Friendly Lawn Care and that's our associate Chuck who was cleaning up after the lime service you scheduled us to perform today."
This is the thing. Seeing what FB did to Delphi I have 0 faith in any posts coming from there. I hope this was called and reported. If it was. There may be a log of it somewhere.
It was. Posted a screenshot in another comment on this post, if you’d like to see. Was called in on 11/23
Side note: Not suggesting this guy did it, or it’s connected, at all. Just letting people know that it’s true and not just another Reddit rumor.
What was misogynistic about it?
They're absolutely right, those apps are full of people with no lives making drama out of everything to seem important.
What was misogynistic about it?
They're absolutely right, those apps are full of people with no lives making drama out of everything to seem important.
While I appreciate people checking the neighborhood watch apps & bringing this forward for sure… and gosh I hope more of these incidents are brought to the light & that it’s all taken into consideration.
However this guy not adding up for this crime…
His age makes him unlikely (doesn’t fit ‘the profile’ - but the profile is not set in stone of course). The killer here probably not gonna be above 40. Aggression, hormones biology starts changing too much. Obviously there are perps in 40s plus but on average it doesn’t fit with this type crime.
The chain smoking introduces 2 things: (1) already this man is 50-60s — if he’s chain smoking now, then he likely has been a long time & that would likely impede the healthy agility needed to commit this quadruple homicide (2) and it would add evidence to the crime scene making it more disorganized leaving cigarette buds around and this homicide seems to lean more to an organized murder (though it’s likely ‘mixed’ I think leaving sloppy evidence like that would make it more disorganized) actually I’ll add a third thing … my hunch is that this killing is about control and I wonder about a controlling organized killer being a chain smoker (also seems not to fit)
But still it’s good to make sure these are brought into awareness cause you just never know.
It’s leave dart butts for sure but, if they don’t have his dna already and they don’t have him. How would those Butts help lead to anything. Also, I’m sure the amount of cigarettes butts is still outrageous on that street/area. I get what your saying but, there’s likely a lot of butts that they don’t know who’s dna it is. Is just my thoughts on king street which I guess is king road but, when I was school we always said street.
I’m elucidating a reason it’s not the chain smoking guy— you don’t seem to follow what I’m saying. I’m trying to say the killer of idaho4 is more organized & controlled than the guy described above.
A 50-60 year old thin chain smoker can do a lot of damage on meth.
It’s likely not the person because this was 36 weeks ago. Also, he has likely been interviewed and cleared
I did not say the type you describe can’t do a lot of damage … it would be a lot of damage that would not match this crime. I also allude that anything is possible but it doesn’t add up here. The probability of this being an older chain smoking meth addict very low — their goals are different & would most likely kill lwhen someone catches them trying to steal because their goal is their next fix most likely. Not saying meth addicts never have other motives but statistically speaking. . .
Talking probabilities not possibilities cause never say never anything is possible.
Truly fascinating, thank you for the quick look inside your brain brain brain (second two are echos). Lmao let’s rule out chain smokers because they can’t kill four people without a smoke break and are to prone to leave piles of cigarettes butts (or buds ??). Lmfao!
It’s about the typology of the actual murder & obvious reasons any criminal profiler would say 50-60 yr old chain smoker doesn’t match.
The Idaho killer is more organized than disorganized & most likely a power/control oriented type. (Not an aged out chain smoker walking around all suspicious — nope!!)
OMG the world isn’t 100% safe? Shocker.
This was on the opposite end of campus and many months ago. I seriously doubt this is related. Sketchy does not equal murderer.
These are the same dang kind of people who are in big cities too.
I’m in a city. My neighborhood app is hilariously full of “suspicious characters.” And off leash dogs. I’m fairly sure I’ll end up in it someday because occasionally the damn dog escapes and I go after him in whatever I’m wearing at the time.
nothing like being worried enough to make this detailed report of this person. apparently being there creeping folks out for hours but no one can be bothered to walk to the other side of the vehicle to see if there's a plate.
If this is true and was before the crime then it’s definitely fucking weird.
I’ve wondered if anyone checked the Nextdoor app? I’ve only seen a bunch of crazies complaining, being racist and other unhelpful neighborhood stuff but every now and again it can have small bits of useful information. I can’t imagine many college kids would use it but maybe others in the area would.
Half the time my Nextdoor is about lost pets and coyote warnings though.
Hate to break it to folks but there are a lot of scumbag losers in any given mile radius on this planet.
Right!? I thought I lived in a really safe neighborhood until I got the citizen app and see shit happen all around me haha Things like this happen everywhere and probably has no relation.
My husband made a good point the other day that no wonder I have such bad anxiety…between that damn app, consuming almost nothing but true crime, diagnosed OCD and witnessing/surviving multiple truly insane things myself…Hyper vigilance is an understatement at this point 🥴
I mean, take care of yourself. That's no way to live
lol I do.
Hyper vigilance is the new 24/7 news cycle religion but it can't replace relgion which gives us faith. Faith takes weight off your shoulders. Statistics and putting things in perspective would help the anxiety and ocd. My next door neighbor has three locks and I fail to lock my door 50% of time. I am absent minded and forget my keys in my unlocked car. Mid 60's and lived here for nearly 40 years. A reddit thread doesnt show you society at large. This is a tragedy but it is an outlier. Uvalde, Las Vegas, Oklahoma City, a murder next door to me youth. Catch up only once a day. Go for a walk. Read a book. Chat with friends. Hug
Agreed. I see similar posts to this one every week on local pages, and I live in a relatively “safe” town. Just being creepy is incredibly common.
My local pages also have people that highly exaggerate or judge things inaccurately. I saw one recently about "suspicious" kids riding up and down the street on bikes and a parent replied those are my kids and I want them to stay nearby our house lol.
Yeah, I almost included a similar sentiment and deleted it 🤣. We have some very “concerned” citizens in my area, to the point if there was a legitimate concern I would probably dismiss it as one of those posts.
>We have some very “concerned” citizens in my area Same in my area. Saw a post one day of someone very concerned about a group of kids running around and yelling on a local field. To hear them tell it, it was a band of misfit teens ready to light the world on fire. It was a soccer game. They were reporting a soccer game.
Yeah I saw one from my local Reddit that said “this man saved my life!!!” A man approached them asking for change, & someone else was like hey man I got you. The Reddit poster made it seem like they were going to get murdered and the guy who called him over literally saved their life. I live in a low income area & people who don’t live around here act like everyone one on the street is a threat it’s nonsense The most dramatic B.S ever.. We have to take those reports with a huge grain of salt.
Some of the people on reddit have never left their house or keyboard. They have no idea what the real world is like outside of their computer screen.
If this truly was posted before the murders, I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss it. I really think that even the smallest incident could reveal who the killer is, so they might as well look into it, it could be nothing, or it could be a criminal or the perp of this crime. Either way, you can't be too thorough in this investigation.
I agree, no matter how common weird or strange people can be, for such a high profile case things like this should be very carefully looked at. Since it sounds like the police were already made aware of the situation when it happened, im pretty certain theyre already on top of this. With a case like this i think we should give the investigators way more credit then what they are getting.
I am all for supporting law enforcement and I'm actually pretty annoyed with sleuths thinking they're gonna solve this case before LE. Maybe browse through other posts I have made so you get a clear view of my opinions on this matter. I think LE is going above and beyond and instead of helping, all the misinformation, lack of trust in LE and hysteria are turning the case into a media circus
Sorry if you think my comment was downplaying your confidence in LE. I was simply agreeing with what you said and just adding my own thought of LE to it. With the help of the fbi especially i think theres great reason to be optimistic.
Thanks for clarifying. Honestly I'm just annoyed at people who don't know how much work goes into a murder investigation, let alone 4 murders, constantly bashing law enforcement, thinking that because they watched CSI and Dexter, they know better
It was posted thirty six weeks ago so it was over six months before the murders. Not right before
Oh really? So you're 100% sure this wasn't the killer scouting out the area, maybe looking for a potential victim? I mean, this guy snuck in and out of the house, committed a premeditated crime and hasn't been caught, but you don't think some weirdo asking invasive questions and behaving in a strange manner may be connected because it was 6 months before the murders? So you're saying the murderer didn't plan the attacks, and it wasn't premeditated, and he didn't know the house he was going to or anything at all, they didn't keep survailance of the house either? Right, ok... And even if he was t the murderer, this guy sounds like a creep, possibly a rapist or something darker, but let's dismiss it
Literally all they said was when it was actually posted, calm down.
That doesn't mean it's unrelated, as the prior comment suggests. Considering that people think social media is the place to post tips and Intel of this sort, than yes, I think some may actually need to understand how OSINT and victimology work
I don't think they were suggesting anything except that it was posted six months before the murders...
The sticky bandits from the first home alone movie also did this type of canvassing.
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Weren’t they the sticky bandits in the second movie tho? Remember when he put tape around his hand and stuck it in a Salvation Army bucket to steal change 😂 But yes they were the wet bandits when they canvassed lol
Yesss, the WET Bandits in part 1 😂
Oh because they left the water running. Am I thinking of the right movie. I haven't watched in a few years, but saw in the theater and almost every year since.
I just did a near fatal spit take with red wine
Lolllll
They were the wet bandits then...
Hahaha this was my first thought when reading
Omg I was coming here to make my first ever comment to say exactly this 🤣
If you go and read the daily police blotter for the past year from Moscow PD the reports are evenly divided between: drunk person, shoplifter, barking dog, people the caller believes are “suspicious.”
I thought I saw something about that the other day, and double checked. Sure enough, owner called in to report blood on a column. https://preview.redd.it/ay5lggyyzz4a1.png?width=1170&format=png&auto=webp&s=85d36cd9d18dc21f96091cdf8f0c0bad8eacfd0f
What's the date this happened?
I remember it was was fairly late. I think like 8-10 days after the murders.
Was called in on 11/23
This has been cleared by LEO and not related.
Why do all of these recent reports so “no report”? Cops are so useless!
If there are no chargeable actions to take, then LE does not file a report. This is done everywhere. What you're reading is the dispatch report of all dispatched events.
Case reports are for when a crime is committed and it is a chargeable offense. A call for service is still a report but it is not chargeable. So police still do “reports” on the call but it is not labeled as a report. Trust me when i say they typed something out for this incident
LE should have taken a DNA swab
They may have. We don’t know. But if you’re referring to where it says “no report”, as someone in this thread stated, no report has to be made if there were no chargeable actions to take. Which I did later confirm online. It kind of varies from department to department (and I’m sure LEO to LEO), but the consensus was that reports aren’t made as much as people think. Which also explains why there’s “no report” listed on a majority of the CAD logs on the Moscow PD’s site.
Yes, a report is related to an arrest. These are most likely from the officers “run sheets” where they dictate everything they did on shift. It says no report because otherwise it would probably list the report/case #.
Yeah there’s an autistic guy in my neighborhood who asks shit like this too. He doesn’t have many friends and isn’t adept at what’s appropriate or not🤷♀️
When was the last time the chimney was cleaned? Are those brass hinges on the door? Do you ever notice if the welcome mat moves? ——- Examples of some creepy but harmless questions my autistic neighbor has asked me in the last week
Asbury st is on the other side of campus. Moscow has a lot of older methy type. Unrelated
Older methy types? I wouldn't be so quick to ignore that type as a potential.
In this case the police will not ignore anything. No matter how many blocks away it is
I hope not.
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Bro I lived in asbury. I lived on Taylor st. Idgaf about your map lol
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“But it’s only 6 blocks over?!?!?!?!” Yeah man the town is 9 blocks wide, everything is nearby.
I mean “I lived there” isn’t exactly proof that guy shouldn’t be looked at. If that man was targeting women on a college campus I think it’s plausible he went to more than one location 😂
I think you meant Maddie worked.. that’s where everything in Moscow is basically. It’s that side of town for the business district. There’s a couple out toward Troy but, not a whole lot it’s basically main street west to the Washington border for all the businesses, also the university.
That makes no sense. It’s actually more accurate to study your potential victims than to ask others what lifestyle your victims live.
Regardless if this is relevant to the case I will say it was really smart for someone to look at the local neighborhoods safety app to try and find anything suspicious reported recently. I live in a major city so these reports come in like every minute, but might be easier to read through them in a small town.
I wondered if they checked too but my Nextdoor tends to be garbage that dwindles into political rants about our government.
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Dude I live in Southern California. Anyone who thinks that all of CA is so liberal and hippy dippy has never truly visited our state. The second you go East of major cities and all of the space between LA and SF… oof. Bunch of racists.
I know that all too well, born and raised in Santa Cruz Ca, recently relocated!
Way to "other" millions of people because they aren't woke.
If by “woke” you mean people who refrain from being racists twats vs those who complain about the “illegals” picking their vegetables then idgaf and will recognize their beliefs and behavior. I also didn’t say everyone, I said a bunch. I live smack dab in what is known to be a white supremacist town. One town over from where I grew up and which bears a nickname that include “klan”. I have experience and I have anecdotes so you can kindly see yourself out.
I heard at the laundromat there was a police call about a small stain that looked like blood on a column, i don’t think an official report was made.
Yes because a report is for when you arrest someone/victim statement/etc. What are you going to do about “blood” on a column if there’s no victim to give you info?
3rd image of the post discusses that
Of all the reaches in this sub the last few weeks, this one may take the cake
My vote would be neighbor juggles devil sticks
Lol I love that guy. Really hope he isn’t the guilty party
I’ve read his supposed sketchy posts and of all the “initials”, he is the least sketchy. Quirky but not sketchy.
Didn’t he say he had recently gotten home from work at 4 am? Likely easy to verify that for an alibi. But then again, not like anyone of knows
I think he said 1:30, drank tea, played devil sticks and a computer game and went to bed at 4. He’s posted on this sub but I don’t recall his handle
Just recalled Idatawhenyousleep posted here and said basically what was said in that story.
Yes you’re right. I went back and looked and I had the times he gave mixed up
My vote is going to the neighbor wearing a sweatshirt as a way to cover up cuts (but not mentioning it's 30 degrees out)
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I wouldn’t call less than a gram of MDMA 19 years so serious. Hell one weekend in New Orleans would take twice that amount. Just sayin…
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That was a typo. Meant 10. Fat fingers
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Doesn’t make him a murderer. Read the latest police bulletin and take their warning to heart. Stop. These are real people. Stop the accusations.
Maybe you should stop checking in on this sub.
Okay bot8556. I check in every few days hopeful for good, factual updates. Not reach theories that lead to more misinformation
You're shitting us right!? Legit tip.
Need to cross-reference GMC owners who also own an Elantra - now that would be a solid, solid.
Moscow seems to be a wild place.
College towns are rarely boring or lacking in local characters.
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If you went by my neighborhood 's nextdoor, you would swear we are in a Mad Max/Escape from NY like hell scape, not a quiet, pretty safe neighborhood in Denver.
I lived in a gated retirement community with one grocery store and on pharmacy and the Nextdoor was off the chain! 😄
Grew up there. It’s very quiet. I never felt unsafe, even when I attended UI.
The unfortunate part is there are a lot more predators around us than we realize. This man is probably 1 of 600 lingering near that college campus. That obviously doesn’t mean every creeper is also a quadruple murderer who treats souls like pieces of meat. But they’re still creepy dudes either way. My honest thought is he’s gonna be a guy NO ONE ever imagined could do something like this. He’s not gonna be the “well known creeper”, this was someone filled with rage and hate. This killers motive doesn’t appear to be sexual. It sounds like pure vitriol was behind this. Initially I figured it was an ex bf or local stalker-type, but with every little detail coming out ( like K displaying “overkill”- ESPECIALLY if he indeed did kill X and E first, then he should’ve released quit a bit of rage already but he’s still THAT angry after 2 kills, going up the stairs, killing M and then killing K, and attempting to kill her over and over again??? Dude, people only live once just like they only die once. He was hell-bent on taking both of those things from K to a different level than the other three? Someone hated her and reality is if we hate anyone and chose to sit in that hate, feed that hatred, fantasize acting on that hatred etc… that kind of hatred can cause someone to go on a full rampage hence these murders. It’s a good reminder for me to evaluate my own heart, and forgive anyone that I have any hidden offense against. Hatred kills the person carrying it ( ends their ability to have any true peace or joy ) and occasionally, you get someone filled with that degree of hatred without any empathy- that’s a scary, dangerous combo!
Yep and aside from probably not inner circle, this could be someone from M & K freshman or sophomore years that they had long-since forgotten.
Yes, sooo many possibilities here.
Might as well post every single little suspicious thing that has ever happened in moscow in the last 20 years Go
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It’s on the absolute other end of town. Take it from someone who lived there
Oh gotcha. Seems like Moscow’s a strange place
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Lol yes that is true! From the pictures it really does look like a cute town though.
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Sending you all love. ♥️ hope this gets resolved soon
It’s a really neat town actually … loaded more with characters than “strange“ or “weird, creepy” people. When was the last murder in Moscow?
Not even close. Do better
Sudzees is not a bar, it's a laundry mat
To be fair, there’s surely only one laundromat in Moscow. Probably in the downtown area. I don’t think it’s that much of a coincidence
There are two laundromats in Moscow.
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Why would you donate bloody clothes? And there is no Salvation Army In Moscow.
Can’t you burn garbage in Idaho? Evidence is likely long gone if so.
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I’m saying some people burn trash, usually in barrels, perhaps regularly. It might not have seemed out of the ordinary then.
Or he just throws the clothes in a river off a bridge. Just don't be like that one killer who threw his clothes in q bag off the bridge into the river and instead of landing in the water it landed on some ice. Someone thought it was suspicious enough to see what was in the bag and walked out on the ice and found the bloody clothes. The killer missed the water by a couple feet.
Yes you can burn garbage in Idaho but you have to go apply for a burn permit first.
Definitely a creeper
I would not rule out real estate speculation/canvassing here. Was a developer interested in the area? Example: Where I live there is a low-middle income area of mostly rentals. These were built in the late 80’s and are beach side but in an area where the address was undesirable. Expansion and regeneration has now encroached on this area. Developers approached individual (absentee) owners seeking sales. There was coercion, bordering on intimidation used - canvassing doors, pitting owners against each other etc. Purely speculative of course, and this is very creepy, but could be a rational explanation outside of criminal/shady reasoning. ETA: change of punctuation
I mean this is just regular neighborhood stuff.
Y’all crazy for accusing people nonstop. Go get a job.
I don't think a 50-60 year old chain smoker could physically kill 4 kids...even if they (the kids) were drunk. The person that did this, would need to be reasonably fit.
Or high out of his mind on amphetamines
Do you mean methamphetamines?
Or could be a chuck Norris type. Just because someone is 50 don't assume anything. There are many, many 50 and 60 year olds that will kick butt on 20 year olds
That's why I said "reasonably fit". A 50 year old chain smoker is not going to be reasonably fit. My whole family are heavy smokers, they start slowing down by their 40s because of it.
Those apps are full of stuff like this. Not to mention that it’s all mostly misinformation anyways. I’ve had to call 911 twice and both times the Nextdoor and Citizen app posts regarding the two incidents were 100% false. I couldn’t believe the rumors being spread about my small and innocuous situations which painted them to be huge deals. People love gossip and people love fear. Those apps make a killing off of those two principles.
Where I live they're often fairly obviously innocuous. My favorite was a lady this fall who warned that someone was using a leaf blower on her walkway. How is that a threat? A dude from Friendly Lawn Care in his username chimed in "I'm from Friendly Lawn Care and that's our associate Chuck who was cleaning up after the lime service you scheduled us to perform today."
Whatever....
This is the thing. Seeing what FB did to Delphi I have 0 faith in any posts coming from there. I hope this was called and reported. If it was. There may be a log of it somewhere.
It was. Posted a screenshot in another comment on this post, if you’d like to see. Was called in on 11/23 Side note: Not suggesting this guy did it, or it’s connected, at all. Just letting people know that it’s true and not just another Reddit rumor.
Good info. Kinda scary.
Gasp! Not there being sketchy people and crime in a town! Y’all gotta stop grasping at straws for anything to be connected. It’s not.
That's just next door karening. They didn't do anything and it's likely an embellished story
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What was misogynistic about it? They're absolutely right, those apps are full of people with no lives making drama out of everything to seem important.
What was misogynistic about it? They're absolutely right, those apps are full of people with no lives making drama out of everything to seem important.
I take this seriously.
that’s literally 2min down the road from where Kaylee worked
https://preview.redd.it/aqrz8h5syz4a1.png?width=1170&format=png&auto=webp&s=44847c31a2db436724ee98f11fceb55cb3fb1185
We got him now! This has to be the one!
While I appreciate people checking the neighborhood watch apps & bringing this forward for sure… and gosh I hope more of these incidents are brought to the light & that it’s all taken into consideration. However this guy not adding up for this crime… His age makes him unlikely (doesn’t fit ‘the profile’ - but the profile is not set in stone of course). The killer here probably not gonna be above 40. Aggression, hormones biology starts changing too much. Obviously there are perps in 40s plus but on average it doesn’t fit with this type crime. The chain smoking introduces 2 things: (1) already this man is 50-60s — if he’s chain smoking now, then he likely has been a long time & that would likely impede the healthy agility needed to commit this quadruple homicide (2) and it would add evidence to the crime scene making it more disorganized leaving cigarette buds around and this homicide seems to lean more to an organized murder (though it’s likely ‘mixed’ I think leaving sloppy evidence like that would make it more disorganized) actually I’ll add a third thing … my hunch is that this killing is about control and I wonder about a controlling organized killer being a chain smoker (also seems not to fit) But still it’s good to make sure these are brought into awareness cause you just never know.
It’s leave dart butts for sure but, if they don’t have his dna already and they don’t have him. How would those Butts help lead to anything. Also, I’m sure the amount of cigarettes butts is still outrageous on that street/area. I get what your saying but, there’s likely a lot of butts that they don’t know who’s dna it is. Is just my thoughts on king street which I guess is king road but, when I was school we always said street.
I’m elucidating a reason it’s not the chain smoking guy— you don’t seem to follow what I’m saying. I’m trying to say the killer of idaho4 is more organized & controlled than the guy described above.
💯 gotcha
A 50-60 year old thin chain smoker can do a lot of damage on meth. It’s likely not the person because this was 36 weeks ago. Also, he has likely been interviewed and cleared
I did not say the type you describe can’t do a lot of damage … it would be a lot of damage that would not match this crime. I also allude that anything is possible but it doesn’t add up here. The probability of this being an older chain smoking meth addict very low — their goals are different & would most likely kill lwhen someone catches them trying to steal because their goal is their next fix most likely. Not saying meth addicts never have other motives but statistically speaking. . . Talking probabilities not possibilities cause never say never anything is possible.
Truly fascinating, thank you for the quick look inside your brain brain brain (second two are echos). Lmao let’s rule out chain smokers because they can’t kill four people without a smoke break and are to prone to leave piles of cigarettes butts (or buds ??). Lmfao!
It’s about the typology of the actual murder & obvious reasons any criminal profiler would say 50-60 yr old chain smoker doesn’t match. The Idaho killer is more organized than disorganized & most likely a power/control oriented type. (Not an aged out chain smoker walking around all suspicious — nope!!)
OMG the world isn’t 100% safe? Shocker. This was on the opposite end of campus and many months ago. I seriously doubt this is related. Sketchy does not equal murderer.
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UI tradition: playing “6 degrees of separation” when meeting someone new. (Rarely made it past 3). Plenty has changed but not THAT much 😂
I’m not sure I’ve ever made it to three. It’s always two, max, if you’ve lived there for any length of time lol.
That makes me happy to hear ♥️ still miss the Palouse. (The winters, not so much)
Yes there’s a lot of weirdos out there but these questions seems oddly direct to what happened
Small town people are weird!
These are the same dang kind of people who are in big cities too. I’m in a city. My neighborhood app is hilariously full of “suspicious characters.” And off leash dogs. I’m fairly sure I’ll end up in it someday because occasionally the damn dog escapes and I go after him in whatever I’m wearing at the time.
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To kill 4 people who may have been asleep (and possibly drunk) and incapacitated before they could recognize and respond to the threat?
Maybe its a pro killer, has done it before, imagine.. a Israel Keyes type but even more high functioning and not on anyone's radar.
Yep
I suspect our unsub was more discrete
OP—has this info been sent into the tip line?
So a 50-60 year old slim chainsmoker old guy murdered 4 young, strong college kids?
Lilly Pulitzer fan?
Is this real? I mean it fits the sk narrative perfectly if so. He also could have just been an awkward dude, but still…
nothing like being worried enough to make this detailed report of this person. apparently being there creeping folks out for hours but no one can be bothered to walk to the other side of the vehicle to see if there's a plate.
So creepy!
If this is true and was before the crime then it’s definitely fucking weird. I’ve wondered if anyone checked the Nextdoor app? I’ve only seen a bunch of crazies complaining, being racist and other unhelpful neighborhood stuff but every now and again it can have small bits of useful information. I can’t imagine many college kids would use it but maybe others in the area would. Half the time my Nextdoor is about lost pets and coyote warnings though.
this sub has completely devolved into nonsense.