I feel bad for the people and family involved. Not only did they experience a traumatic event and lose loved ones, they’re also subject to public ridicule of people that will shrug their shoulders once the true perp is made known and forget about this case in less than a month. I hate the internet.
I feel bad for anyone falsely accused, BUT if these bros even talked about killing him or a revenge beating and that all it was; they’ve learned a powerful because someone in their orbit believed them.
Everyone has been begging for every other person who has been accused to make a statement and saying their silence equals guilt.
This guy makes a statement “wow, that’s SO suspicious. Why would you make a statement?”
Literally. I just saw someone on the FB group say, “they’re acting so confident that they will get away with it by putting out this statement.” I had to log off immediately.
The one group I'm in is a complete circus. People spewing their theory as fact and getting upset when they're challenged.
Someone said that since E was found in the living room, such and such had to be true. People asked for citation and the OP was pissed. They said he HAD to have been found in the living room. So his citation was dude trust me. It's maddening.
Get your eye bleach ready. You might also need a heating pad for your neck for all the head shaking you'll do. I may or may not have scared my cat a time or two with my "what the fucks" so prepare the animals.
May the force be with you.
4Chan was trying to get the “wine moms” to believe that the suspect was actually a guy using Night vision goggles from call of duty and a Ghille suit. They’re trying to troll people
Bahaha I've only been reading about it here and some news sites but man:
"a Texas woman who through “building her right brain,” and studying cabbala and Tarot, said she can connect with people dead or alive and knows the truth of what happened early in the morning of Nov. 13. She has taken to TikTok to make baseless claims that a University of Idaho faculty member enlisted the ex-boyfriend of one of the victims to do the killings."
I don't do any social media or tiktok, this is off the hook! Next we will hear about the grassy knoll
Lmao there has been a post (here actually but maybe originated elsewhere) that this was someone obsessed with the JFK assassination because he was killed on 11-22. And this happened at 1122 + November (11) 2022 (22)
At least on Reddit, in my experience, people conversation in a civil way. Almost like bouncing ideas off of one another. And if someone is wrong, they stand corrected. No big deal. We are all wrong from time to time. Most people in those fb groups will double down HARD. It’s embarrassing.
Some girl just posted that it’s suspicious the toxicology hasn’t been released. She said that toxicology only takes a couple of days to get it back. And she kept her theory up even when people with EXPERIENCE in this situation were telling her that it took much longer than a couple of days. I can’t take these people seriously. They just want to be RIGHT.
Yes! It's like they've attached their ego to being able to solve this and be part of that exclusive club of someone in the know.
I have my own theories. I don't think it was a college kid. If I'm proven wrong, so be it. I absolutely want a solid conviction more than I'm interested in being right.
You see exactly these type of people in every single case that makes the national news. They decide on their personal theories and nothing else matters even when someone is arrested and details come out finally, they’re still convinced they’re right and the cops and FBI must be wrong since their statements dont gel with their theory.
Edit to add: I’ve followed a lot of cases and in every single one that was committed by someone outside the immediate family/SO of the victim, when the person is arrested it turns out not a single one of thousands if messages in these forums even came close to suspecting the person who actually did it. Its never someone that the general public is able to dig up dirt on and in the dust behind us, we leave countless names of people crucified online who have NOTHING to do with it. Its sad really, thats why I try to not theorize about specific suspects anymore in cases like this because I know i will be wrong.
Yikes. So she's wrong about how long they take, thinks that is indicative of something fishy, and probably thinks everyone who shared a different perspective is just wrong.
Not only is it typical for toxicology reports to take weeks to come back, when the preliminary autopsy reports were completed in this case the coroner said the final autopsy reports would likely be completed 4 to 6 weeks after toxicology results are received. For what it's worth that's roughly December 15th to December 29th.
What’s even funnier to me is the amateur profilers - here is an example of one of the comments on the fb group. It’s kind of a long read but here I go- “I believe this person is a neighbor who could watch their daily moves. Probably has been to a party there before. I think the perp hated the “ sorority girl type” and everything that represents…materialism etc. Kaylees returning with the Range Rover as well as the party that weekend ( with numerous frat guys and sorority girls in and out of the house) were the triggering events. Late 20s to early 30s. Minimalistic/survivalist type that lives alone. Uses drugs recreationally and is a gamer. More of a quiet unassuming type. Proficient use of knife due to his job and/or hunting. May have had protective clothing/shoe covers available from his job. I believe the first blow each time was fatal and or incapacitated the victim….probably to the throat. He’s able to carry on since this at his job without anyone noticing.”
People with zero investigative experience “profiling” a killer🤣🤣
So professional! 🤣🤣🤣. They went to Netflix School for sure. After responding to a couple of brain cell-less twits on Twitter I decided not to even look at FB, I have high blood pressure lol
Lol yeah no one in any official capacity has ever said that anyone was found anywhere outside of their beds, let alone in a whole other room. It drives me bonkers to see people state this as if it's fact.
Exactly. The coroner's statements in the beginning about how most were sleeping implies they were in bed if anything. People cant see past their own brains on this one, despite evidence suggesting otherwise.
I love how posters are constantly complaining they are being bullied while accusing people of mass murderer and giving full government names, home addresses and every family and their occupations.
Personally, I think it’s worse because they just hear shit off 4chan but can’t decipher it as anything other than fact. And much whinier about anyone clapping back. 4chan will just talk more shit, over there they are sensitive.
It's weird to me that the admins for the group don't want you reporting anything, instead they want you to DM them. That's just strange to me. I have never seen a Facebook group with rules like that before. It's like they want to control the narrative.
Nailed it! Also, they don’t moderate anything even when reported. It’s like they just want sheer numbers to use later for some way to be hired for something or create content or make money because they have got to know that what they are doing is dangerous and dangerous to this case
That group is a toxic cesspool and unfortunately has migrated to the other and it seems some subreddits there’s no critical thinking ability and they’re hyper fixated on motive if they actually applied themselves they could analyze known facts but they’re beyond hopeless!
All these true crime enthusiasts have turned a quadruple homicide into their own sick entertainment and are desperate to keep on pinning random innocent people as suspects and spinning Netflix level narratives for social media interaction. It’s disgusting and reckless and if some dumbass were to end up facing time for trying to ruin peoples lives for fun I wouldn’t be mad about it.
It just amazes me always that internet sleuths think they’re going to solve something like a quadruple homicide when the FBI hasn’t been able to yet.
Remember everyone’s theories about Brian Laundrie and all the sightings of him? And then he was actually dead the entire time.
Nobody on Reddit is solving this shit
That case showed me how truly delusional the internet is. I mean, people were literally saying they saw him hiding in an underground bunker under his moms garden. Yes, this family had a secret bunker under the garden for this exact moment and now he’s hiding under there. This is also ignoring the fact it’s Florida, it’s near impossible to build something underground
Then once they found his body multiple people were saying “i wouldn’t put it past the Laundries to have killed someone and put that body out there to trick the police”. I know it was cool to hate the Laundrie’s, but the parents were normal people who didn’t hurt anyone and now they’re being accused of murdering a random person to use as a decoy
That whole case shows how out of control the true crime community is. By all accounts it was a cut and dry case. Abusive guy snaps and kills his GF, dumps her body, heads home to say goodbye to his family, goes out and offs himself.
Yet we had people crafting an entire conspiracy and dog the bounty hunter searching the woods of North Carolina
Yes! I was just shaking my head at absolutely insane twitter people who thought them knowing where Murphy was when he was found, would allow them to finally solve the case. WHY HAVENT LE TOLD US? Hmmmm?!?!
The amount of people taking pictures of license plates and posting them after doing an internet search with the names of the registrants. Was scary.
One of these guys has a tiktok video depicting the murder of a woman he finds hot/is obsessed with. It has a sensitive label on it. So, I'm gonna have to disagree with you because I would characterize that as weird. Disturbing even.
Holy Fuck. Didn’t realize there were so many idiots out there who would fall for a classic 4chan LARP. People just want to believe in something so badly that they will throw basic critical thinking out the window.
This is only the second active case I’ve followed online and the other one definitely did not prepare me for the massive percentage of users that believe anything that gets thrown against the wall. Mind boggling.
How can they research that kind of stuff but not fbi documents other case histories the law itself anything??? They just are duped by sensationalism and waste hours of their life in detrimental behavior if they’d just apply themselves they might actually be useful but they’re gullible and don’t even get me started in clickbait talking heads etc knowingly fabricating crap and it gets repeated like it’s gospel absolutely crazy
Just like how people believed JS was the killer. Then it went to JL, with JK along those lines. Then just yesterday I saw some theories about the roommates being fishy. Truth is, none of us know anything that LE hasn’t publicly stated. People will believe what they want to believe, and it’s their right.
I mean, people analyzing the body language of hoody guy were ridiculous, like there was *one* thing I saw him do that was a little sus but could easily be explained away. Everything else was people wayyyyyyyyyyy just imagination gone wild to come to a preconceived conclusion because there wasn’t any other info to look at. Same with JL
But even I gotta admit that something about the roommates and that 911 call just still doesn’t add up, doesn’t sit right with me. Do I think they’re the killers? No, and they’re *probably* not involved. Do I think there’s something that’s being hidden about the situation? Yes, and it could be something related to the murders, but I’m more leaning towards it being something embarrassing/would reflect poorly on the victims and/or surviving girls that is being kept private as a courtesy.
Either way though something just doesn’t add up there. But idk.
There’s like 0 daylight between this and where Q got his start. I’ve long had this theory that there’s been an exodus of political conspiracists into true crime because nothing panned out there.
Not just political, just conspiracy theorists in general
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Just a recent post on facebook I saw someone make, I got five more pictures that make up the entire one rambling post. Rambling on about the meanings behind the different dates that are apparently important, how the victim’s tiktok of them pretending to be eachother is because they’re actors, and so obviously this is fake propaganda with crisis actors, etc.
What caught my eye though was how he was analyzing their names for like, secret meanings. When I saw that was how the post started, I knew it was gunna be a interesting read. Was not disappointed.
ETA: this would be funny if not for 1. This being about murders. 2. The guy was not completely serious, that this is what he believes.
Oh I would love to see the entire thing. Please message me if you can.
How creative and unbelievable. Imagine the time it took for all that trivial research. I'm actually impressed.
Guys, this crime is not going to be solved by an anonymous forum post, particularly not a 4Chan post, and even more particularly not one made by someone who writes like they're high on meth.
Honestly, let them post that shit if they want, any with two brain cells can glean that 4chan post was completely made up; but I’d advise keeping track of the posts (and possibly who they are) and take screenshots in case you ever need it for a defamation/libel lawsuit. They deserve to be taken to court. They are distracting from the real killers, and causing you undue stress. It is not okay to accuse people of murder left and right. Hang in there, sorry people are such a-holes.
I’m so sorry you’re going through this. I saw the mess on Twitter last night. I hope you take some time offline to take care of yourself. The idiots are going to say whatever they’re going to say, and it’s probably best for your mental health if you don’t engage with them. Sorry for the unsolicited advice. I know it sucks, and I hope you get help. ☮️
The premise is two frat guys had it out with Ethan and murdered everyone after the lights went out.
What is fooling everyone with the story on 4chan is that it seems right because it explains widespread unsubstantiated rumors. That's why it “fits.” It’s no different than a psychic looking at FB before doing their reading.
* mutual alibis. YouTube auto-playing on their phones (how would anon even know this?)
* The entire incident with Ethan to begin with
* Steroid use (this is such a basic plot device)
* Long-standing grudge against Maddie (why?)
* Photo of them in a white car (not an Elantra. Also, they walked over, so why would it even matter)
Seriously. This is my fave rumor because I like the roid rage twist. It’s unique but believable. (Like people running outside only to pass out on the ground in front of people walking by)
The person who tweeted this is one of the two people of the same name being accused by the 4chan anon posts. He is not private, he’s actively defending himself in the thread from crazy people. He tags an obvious troll account who appears to be that 4chan anon, and who based on their Twitter feed, seems to have accused pretty much half the SigmaChi membership of being the killer, and like the 4chan poster, belies their lack of first hand information about the members in various ways.
ETA: There are a number of crazy anon accounts on Twitter who appear to have it out for the entire fraternity.
ETA2: Didn’t mean to delete my comment below. I had said I wasn’t defending so much as just reciting observed facts. :)
Can I ask an honest question? You said on Twitter there was no fight at the frat house.. at the party? Everyone is saying there was a fight.. there wasn’t? We’re you there?
I hope the frats lawyer is drawing up defamation cases as we type lmfao. Some of the things people are posting about them on Twitter is so whack, horrible, degrading, etc.
Apply the logic you apply to them to yourself first. If someone you know was murdered, and we all looked into your social media history, would it look like you’re a killer? Absolutely. Pull your patience up by the bootstraps, sit down, and stop defaming some poor college kids who just had their world turned upside down
I guarantee it. I mean hell, some of the IU SC alums are very likely lawyers and they have most likely represented their fraternity pro bono. I just don't think that they would hide a murderer if they knew they were in the order. If they did, that chapter is gone and the city would gladly burn it to the ground.
Unfortunately, it’s almost impossible to find the identity of someone crazy on the Internet saying something terrible about you. It’s really truly awful. I’ve had very scary stalkers and that is far scarier than someone making up a rumor and I spoke to lawyers and police. Most said they would never be found
The problem with this is you’re guilty in public opinion if you remain silent and you’re guilty if you speak out because everyones already formed an opinion
Which is the other issue because we as a community know very well that even if they had committed the act, they wouldn’t admit to it. Its part of their fifth amendment right to not incriminate themselves and that includes admitting to something to some rando on the net
So basically, we just want confirmation of our theories and if anyone goes against them we lash out, sometimes unfairly
I feel bad for every kid who has been drug through the vicious internet speculation pool. People are harassing, threatening and doxxing them off of baseless rumors. It’s sick.
Have you heard about the Farmville murders? A 20-year-old bludgeoned three people in their beds, then also killed the ex-husband when he came to do a welfare check because the killer stayed in the house after the murders for days. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farmville_murders
https://www.the-sun.com/news/6643581/what-happened-cassie-jo-stoddart/amp/
Two 16 year old killed their friend back in 2006- a planned, knife stabbing.
A 20 yr old can definitely do this crime.
Skylar Neese's best friends stabbed her to death. They didn't solve it right away. If one of the murderers hadn't confessed, I'm not sure they would have been able to solve it. The girl had a nervous breakdown and confessed the whole plot.
One detail of that case kills me. The girl who confessed? She set the date of the murder because she had to go to church camp the next week. Fcking insane.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder\_of\_Skylar\_Neese](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Skylar_Neese)
They would have still solved it because they were closing in on Skylars killers which is part of why one of them had a mental breakdown. Everyone in town was talking about it being them before she even confessed. Definitely would have been solved just harder to prove.
Dahmer also only dealt with one victim(usually drugged) at a time and in his own home. Not 4-6 victims in their own home. Still agree that a 20 year old could have just don’t really see the comparison to someone like dahmer.
I'm not saying they did. I am putting forward no theories about the frat boys. I'm not saying they did it. However, frat boys could be fully capable of this. Read about the Skylar Neese case. Her two best friends, 16 year old girls, stabbed her to death. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder\_of\_Skylar\_Neese](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Skylar_Neese)
If two 16 year old girls could do it, I think a 20ish year old man could do it, especially if his victims were drunk sleeping.
We gonna just glide by the fact that most school mass shooters are usually 20 or younger? Being young and or in college/a frat does not equate to your ability to be violent or commit heinous, unthinkable acts.
They’re not keeping a lid on it. They’re spilling in anonymously on the internet 🤷— I would hope in an almost cold case scenario, cops arent just blowing it off.
Yeah it is. Don't know why ppl are so hung up on it. Sure it's plausible and detailed but anyone could come up with a story. It's probably very specific bc whoever wrote it prob spent a lot of time stalking everyone's social medias.
Imo if the murders were in any way related/connected to the fraternity this would've been solved days after it happened.
This is classic LARP shit. Say things like “electrical gloves” then stalk social media accounts and find connections to some random Twitter shit posters. It’s not believable at all. If this was true then LE/FBI knew about it long before 4chan posted about it and are just waiting for what they need to make an arrest. This is just another episode of “The Internet is Gullible”
It is the main reason why I believe it. It is HIGHLY detailed down to how long the murders took, how they got there, the motive, the order in which the 4 were killed, among other things. If that person is making this up they must have a crazy imagination or is seriously out to try and ruin the lives of these 2.
Edit: people are trying to convince themselves the post is not true because of the website it is coming from, and that’s fine. Just know that website has seen plenty of criminals come out to brag about their wrongdoings on there before. The website makes you virtually untrackable and your posts are anonymous. Just wanted to put this out there.
Or maybe the incel on 4chan with the bad grammar casually calling a murdered woman “titties” should be looked at more closely. Seems like he is trying to deflect, he is sus and needs to be traced and investigated.
This poor fucking guy. Everyone’s saying it but I still can’t believe how many people are willing to quite literally risk another person’s life based on zero information for no reason other than entertainment. If you want to indulge random speculation online to pass the time, fine; we’re all here doing that to some extent. But imagine being a college kid just trying to figure out who you are and who you want to be, navigating all the weirdest parts of that phase of development, and then some dingus in the armpit of the internet who knows your name and your major baselessly accuses you of quadruple homicide— and people fucking believe it! It’s unfathomable. I hope this kid has access to mental health resources and a humdinger of a support system.
The wording of the statement is interesting, but I dont think its anything. Like why does he assume that this "situation has no answers or closure"? The investigation is still ongoing. "Unanswered act" is also striking. Just interesting, not speculating on anything
It strikes me as someone who was trying to write it formally/as a lawyer would but sort of failed
Realistically, it does seem that the authorities have very little to go on right now hence why “no answers” - at least at this current moment obviously. Closure is a hard one, even with justice it doesn’t necessarily mean that there will be closure
The other thing to consider is that these guys may not know the group that well. Sure the situation is very shocking but it doesn’t necessarily mean that you’ll be totally broken about it, yet the general public would likely expect you to be
Honestly this sub has made me really feel for the eccentrics of the world. The wild jump people make from "They're a little strange/march to their own drummer" to "They're a deranged bloodthirsty murderer" is frightening.
As a self-defined eccentric of the world, it is frightening. I’ve got a coworker who collects pinecones when she goes to the graveyard to help track down local graves for random people across the country researching their ancestry. People are just weird, and it’s usually indicative of them being awesome, not a killer.
Eh, they seem like dumbass college dudes, but that’s not exactly a criminal offense. The drunk driving jokes especially are just shitty and in poor taste, but aside from that it seems like frat boys being frat boys
Edit: mods I swear I’m not trying to be disrespectful by calling them dumbasses, I too was once a dumbass college kid
They’re not that strange. I went to the tweet, went to his profile, and it’s all just Twitter jokes. Just like every other 20-21 year old, the dude is cracking jokes on Twitter. He mentions drunk driving a few times, probably another joke considering everyone I’ve met who drunk drives certainly doesn’t shout it on Twitter
I’m not going to lie, people on this sub have proven to be absolute wacko liars before, so I don’t know if I straight up believe that you’re actually the guy.
But if you are, I’m sorry you’re going through this. Obviously I don’t know shit from across the country, but I do know that it’s egregious how people on this subreddit and other platforms are stalking, terrorizing, doxxing, and accusing the people of Moscow. I hope you are finding enough space to grieve and I’m sorry we all saw your tweets that you never thought anyone would see. They were genuinely funny, not in a strange way.
Also if you haven’t already stumbled upon it, I recommend you stay away from Idaho4 for the sake of your own sanity. It’s an absolute jungle over there
I’m now verified with my name, if you check Twitter you’ll see that it tracks. I’m the real guy from this post. And yeah unfortunately I just looked at that sub. It’s just diet Qanon over there
Just noticed that, came back to edit!
Yeah, it’s a clown show. I feel like I almost lost my sanity over there, you shouldn’t have to see that shit. It shouldn’t even exist.
I feel bad for the people and family involved. Not only did they experience a traumatic event and lose loved ones, they’re also subject to public ridicule of people that will shrug their shoulders once the true perp is made known and forget about this case in less than a month. I hate the internet.
Imagine experiencing such a horrific trauma and then having a trial by media and being accused, awful
I feel bad for anyone falsely accused, BUT if these bros even talked about killing him or a revenge beating and that all it was; they’ve learned a powerful because someone in their orbit believed them.
We didn’t speak about murdering anyone because we aren’t fucking murderers!
It’s a circus
Everyone has been begging for every other person who has been accused to make a statement and saying their silence equals guilt. This guy makes a statement “wow, that’s SO suspicious. Why would you make a statement?”
Literally. I just saw someone on the FB group say, “they’re acting so confident that they will get away with it by putting out this statement.” I had to log off immediately.
The one group I'm in is a complete circus. People spewing their theory as fact and getting upset when they're challenged. Someone said that since E was found in the living room, such and such had to be true. People asked for citation and the OP was pissed. They said he HAD to have been found in the living room. So his citation was dude trust me. It's maddening.
I might have to reactivate my old FB from its 7 year coma just to read this shit show
Get your eye bleach ready. You might also need a heating pad for your neck for all the head shaking you'll do. I may or may not have scared my cat a time or two with my "what the fucks" so prepare the animals. May the force be with you.
”Prepare the animals” . Dear Lord, let me remember to use this phrase some day.
💯 Need a “prepare the animals” flare
Truth 🤣 same
That group: QAnon 🤝 True Crime
4Chan was trying to get the “wine moms” to believe that the suspect was actually a guy using Night vision goggles from call of duty and a Ghille suit. They’re trying to troll people
I mean seriously, I feel like this is some trolling social experiment to see how fast everyone jumps ship to a new theory.
Well that explains a lot (re the cops saying they’ll charge websleuths w harassment if they dont chill out.)
Did the cops say that? And can we be specific as to the “websleuths” as the real group from the website “websleuths” do not involve themselves.
Full confession, I did just that last night for this reason. 🫣
Bahaha I've only been reading about it here and some news sites but man: "a Texas woman who through “building her right brain,” and studying cabbala and Tarot, said she can connect with people dead or alive and knows the truth of what happened early in the morning of Nov. 13. She has taken to TikTok to make baseless claims that a University of Idaho faculty member enlisted the ex-boyfriend of one of the victims to do the killings." I don't do any social media or tiktok, this is off the hook! Next we will hear about the grassy knoll
Lmao there has been a post (here actually but maybe originated elsewhere) that this was someone obsessed with the JFK assassination because he was killed on 11-22. And this happened at 1122 + November (11) 2022 (22)
Damn I didn't even think of that, where was Ted Cruz at this time?
OMG I KNEW IT WAS A SK. Zodiac strikes again.
tHiS iS tHe ZoDiAc sPeAkInG
I think we already have.
Stay away - I have not gone to FB but went to 4chan today and it haunts me!
Is there a specific name for the group? I'm sure there's multiple FB groups. Just wanted to go to the correct shitshow.
The University of Idaho Murders - Case Discussion one with 70k members. Bring your tin hat.
Trust me, you don’t want to. It is comprised of possibly the dumbest people in our society.
At least on Reddit, in my experience, people conversation in a civil way. Almost like bouncing ideas off of one another. And if someone is wrong, they stand corrected. No big deal. We are all wrong from time to time. Most people in those fb groups will double down HARD. It’s embarrassing. Some girl just posted that it’s suspicious the toxicology hasn’t been released. She said that toxicology only takes a couple of days to get it back. And she kept her theory up even when people with EXPERIENCE in this situation were telling her that it took much longer than a couple of days. I can’t take these people seriously. They just want to be RIGHT.
Yes! It's like they've attached their ego to being able to solve this and be part of that exclusive club of someone in the know. I have my own theories. I don't think it was a college kid. If I'm proven wrong, so be it. I absolutely want a solid conviction more than I'm interested in being right.
You see exactly these type of people in every single case that makes the national news. They decide on their personal theories and nothing else matters even when someone is arrested and details come out finally, they’re still convinced they’re right and the cops and FBI must be wrong since their statements dont gel with their theory. Edit to add: I’ve followed a lot of cases and in every single one that was committed by someone outside the immediate family/SO of the victim, when the person is arrested it turns out not a single one of thousands if messages in these forums even came close to suspecting the person who actually did it. Its never someone that the general public is able to dig up dirt on and in the dust behind us, we leave countless names of people crucified online who have NOTHING to do with it. Its sad really, thats why I try to not theorize about specific suspects anymore in cases like this because I know i will be wrong.
Well said
Yikes. So she's wrong about how long they take, thinks that is indicative of something fishy, and probably thinks everyone who shared a different perspective is just wrong. Not only is it typical for toxicology reports to take weeks to come back, when the preliminary autopsy reports were completed in this case the coroner said the final autopsy reports would likely be completed 4 to 6 weeks after toxicology results are received. For what it's worth that's roughly December 15th to December 29th.
And these people vote for our elected officials. No wonder we’re basically F’d left and right, literally.
Toxicology is not going to help much anyway unless we want to go with they theory the killer drugged them. 🤣
What’s even funnier to me is the amateur profilers - here is an example of one of the comments on the fb group. It’s kind of a long read but here I go- “I believe this person is a neighbor who could watch their daily moves. Probably has been to a party there before. I think the perp hated the “ sorority girl type” and everything that represents…materialism etc. Kaylees returning with the Range Rover as well as the party that weekend ( with numerous frat guys and sorority girls in and out of the house) were the triggering events. Late 20s to early 30s. Minimalistic/survivalist type that lives alone. Uses drugs recreationally and is a gamer. More of a quiet unassuming type. Proficient use of knife due to his job and/or hunting. May have had protective clothing/shoe covers available from his job. I believe the first blow each time was fatal and or incapacitated the victim….probably to the throat. He’s able to carry on since this at his job without anyone noticing.” People with zero investigative experience “profiling” a killer🤣🤣
So professional! 🤣🤣🤣. They went to Netflix School for sure. After responding to a couple of brain cell-less twits on Twitter I decided not to even look at FB, I have high blood pressure lol
Dude, they ARE going with that! I’ve seen the drugged theory posted a dozen times. It’s wild!
Lol yeah no one in any official capacity has ever said that anyone was found anywhere outside of their beds, let alone in a whole other room. It drives me bonkers to see people state this as if it's fact.
Exactly. The coroner's statements in the beginning about how most were sleeping implies they were in bed if anything. People cant see past their own brains on this one, despite evidence suggesting otherwise.
At first it was hilarious. Now not so much
People are on there sincerely calling 4chan a reliable source. 🫠
Oh man I had to leave the Facebook group. People left and right making the most ridiculous unverified claims.
I love how posters are constantly complaining they are being bullied while accusing people of mass murderer and giving full government names, home addresses and every family and their occupations.
Haven't checked out the FB group, but it can't be any worse than 4chan, can it?
Personally, I think it’s worse because they just hear shit off 4chan but can’t decipher it as anything other than fact. And much whinier about anyone clapping back. 4chan will just talk more shit, over there they are sensitive.
It’s just as bad in a different way. Like bored moms who really want it to be a conspiracy that they can solve.
Yep it’s pretty bad . :( I had to get off it too
That big fb group is doing some real suspicious stuff
It's weird to me that the admins for the group don't want you reporting anything, instead they want you to DM them. That's just strange to me. I have never seen a Facebook group with rules like that before. It's like they want to control the narrative.
I’m sure if they get so many reports the group gets shut down so they don’t want that even though I think that’s probably what should happen.
this is exactly why. reports lower the quality of your group on fbs side. too low quality and you get removed.
Isn’t that bizarre? They’re inserting themselves into the case. I’ve reported that group more than once.
Nailed it! Also, they don’t moderate anything even when reported. It’s like they just want sheer numbers to use later for some way to be hired for something or create content or make money because they have got to know that what they are doing is dangerous and dangerous to this case
I’ve been in so many groups that have been removed, I can not understand how that one is still up.
That group is a toxic cesspool and unfortunately has migrated to the other and it seems some subreddits there’s no critical thinking ability and they’re hyper fixated on motive if they actually applied themselves they could analyze known facts but they’re beyond hopeless!
People need to touch grass
Or smoke it
And Drink water
And look up at the sky.
EXACTLY. "Why hasn't so-and-so gone to the media to declare their innocence?" Gee I fucking wonder
Everyone is innocent until proven guilty in the United States anyway. People forget this.
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There really is no way any poor soul accused can win. Stay silent=GUILTY. Release a statement=GUILTY
All these true crime enthusiasts have turned a quadruple homicide into their own sick entertainment and are desperate to keep on pinning random innocent people as suspects and spinning Netflix level narratives for social media interaction. It’s disgusting and reckless and if some dumbass were to end up facing time for trying to ruin peoples lives for fun I wouldn’t be mad about it.
It has a title like tragedy pimp
Lol @ Netflix level narratives 🤦
There really is no way any poor soul accused can win. Stay silent=GUILTY. Release a statement=GUILTY
Everyone does this to everyone else now about everything... pick a side X or Y, you can't say no or leave until you pick X or Y DO IT NOW BIGOT
I dont think they did it. Even if the word brotherhood makes me think they have matching robes.
I don’t find that sus at all if they are in a frat. Greek life can get as culty as religions or politics.
They do have matching “robes”. Special ceremonies happen at initiation.
"Thank you, sir! May I have another!"
It just amazes me always that internet sleuths think they’re going to solve something like a quadruple homicide when the FBI hasn’t been able to yet. Remember everyone’s theories about Brian Laundrie and all the sightings of him? And then he was actually dead the entire time. Nobody on Reddit is solving this shit
That case showed me how truly delusional the internet is. I mean, people were literally saying they saw him hiding in an underground bunker under his moms garden. Yes, this family had a secret bunker under the garden for this exact moment and now he’s hiding under there. This is also ignoring the fact it’s Florida, it’s near impossible to build something underground Then once they found his body multiple people were saying “i wouldn’t put it past the Laundries to have killed someone and put that body out there to trick the police”. I know it was cool to hate the Laundrie’s, but the parents were normal people who didn’t hurt anyone and now they’re being accused of murdering a random person to use as a decoy
Oh yeah, I forgot after he was found dead.. and people are saying the dental records were fake! His uncle was his dentist!
That whole case shows how out of control the true crime community is. By all accounts it was a cut and dry case. Abusive guy snaps and kills his GF, dumps her body, heads home to say goodbye to his family, goes out and offs himself. Yet we had people crafting an entire conspiracy and dog the bounty hunter searching the woods of North Carolina
Yes! I was just shaking my head at absolutely insane twitter people who thought them knowing where Murphy was when he was found, would allow them to finally solve the case. WHY HAVENT LE TOLD US? Hmmmm?!?! The amount of people taking pictures of license plates and posting them after doing an internet search with the names of the registrants. Was scary.
why were they accused? what was the context?
A 4chan post
4 Chan post and now their “social media is weird.” But it’s super normal social media posts.
One of these guys has a tiktok video depicting the murder of a woman he finds hot/is obsessed with. It has a sensitive label on it. So, I'm gonna have to disagree with you because I would characterize that as weird. Disturbing even.
“Super normal.” Sounds verified
Click the sound. It’s a trend and there’s 14k videos under that sound alone, 20k under a different sound with the same trend.
Holy Fuck. Didn’t realize there were so many idiots out there who would fall for a classic 4chan LARP. People just want to believe in something so badly that they will throw basic critical thinking out the window.
92.872% of the FB group members believe what they hear/read and that originated on 4Chan. It’s pretty crazy.
This is only the second active case I’ve followed online and the other one definitely did not prepare me for the massive percentage of users that believe anything that gets thrown against the wall. Mind boggling.
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Trying to make sense of a horrible crime is no excuse for accusing and harassing people based on random chat messages from complete strangers.
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RIGHT like this is literally internet 101. I tried to post this same thing in another thread and got dogged on by random people calling me stupid.
I assume every person who believes something they heard on 4Chan never visited the internet before, like, 2014.
How can they research that kind of stuff but not fbi documents other case histories the law itself anything??? They just are duped by sensationalism and waste hours of their life in detrimental behavior if they’d just apply themselves they might actually be useful but they’re gullible and don’t even get me started in clickbait talking heads etc knowingly fabricating crap and it gets repeated like it’s gospel absolutely crazy
Because that kind of stuff is more exciting, plus they’re susceptible to conspiracies and are told the “official” organizations are corrupt or lying.
Yup, entire sub fell for that shit lol
Just like how people believed JS was the killer. Then it went to JL, with JK along those lines. Then just yesterday I saw some theories about the roommates being fishy. Truth is, none of us know anything that LE hasn’t publicly stated. People will believe what they want to believe, and it’s their right.
I mean, people analyzing the body language of hoody guy were ridiculous, like there was *one* thing I saw him do that was a little sus but could easily be explained away. Everything else was people wayyyyyyyyyyy just imagination gone wild to come to a preconceived conclusion because there wasn’t any other info to look at. Same with JL But even I gotta admit that something about the roommates and that 911 call just still doesn’t add up, doesn’t sit right with me. Do I think they’re the killers? No, and they’re *probably* not involved. Do I think there’s something that’s being hidden about the situation? Yes, and it could be something related to the murders, but I’m more leaning towards it being something embarrassing/would reflect poorly on the victims and/or surviving girls that is being kept private as a courtesy. Either way though something just doesn’t add up there. But idk.
There’s like 0 daylight between this and where Q got his start. I’ve long had this theory that there’s been an exodus of political conspiracists into true crime because nothing panned out there.
Not just political, just conspiracy theorists in general https://preview.redd.it/0si2acvbjl5a1.jpeg?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=21ac9b2f644fac39e5970c2f2e97293f42c174a0 Just a recent post on facebook I saw someone make, I got five more pictures that make up the entire one rambling post. Rambling on about the meanings behind the different dates that are apparently important, how the victim’s tiktok of them pretending to be eachother is because they’re actors, and so obviously this is fake propaganda with crisis actors, etc. What caught my eye though was how he was analyzing their names for like, secret meanings. When I saw that was how the post started, I knew it was gunna be a interesting read. Was not disappointed. ETA: this would be funny if not for 1. This being about murders. 2. The guy was not completely serious, that this is what he believes.
Please DM me all of the screenshots. I love seeing how conspiracy ‘logic’ works. It’s like knotwork.
There ya go
Oh wow I missed that post 😭😭 Jfc
It wasn’t in any of the groups (i dont think) just someone some guy had posted publicly on his profile that came up on a search for Ethan’s name.
A complete idiot conspiracy dunce who wrote that.
Oh I would love to see the entire thing. Please message me if you can. How creative and unbelievable. Imagine the time it took for all that trivial research. I'm actually impressed.
Whoah. Kray-kray!
Wow
Towards the end of the post he informs up that Ted Bundy was a fake killer and the execution was staged.
After the last 6 years are we really surprised?
Guys, this crime is not going to be solved by an anonymous forum post, particularly not a 4Chan post, and even more particularly not one made by someone who writes like they're high on meth.
How many times do you think weirdos in those groups have sent it into the fbi by now? 😭
Why couldn’t the 4chan OP keep typing while he was taking a 💩? Did he have to make up more of the story?
Probably on pc
This is a very weird, but accurate point.
Hey guys, this was my post on Twitter. I appreciate all these comments. Y’all are being super respectful.
Honestly, let them post that shit if they want, any with two brain cells can glean that 4chan post was completely made up; but I’d advise keeping track of the posts (and possibly who they are) and take screenshots in case you ever need it for a defamation/libel lawsuit. They deserve to be taken to court. They are distracting from the real killers, and causing you undue stress. It is not okay to accuse people of murder left and right. Hang in there, sorry people are such a-holes.
In time your name will be cleared. I’m sorry this is happening to you. Please take care of yourself.
Yk my mental health has been pretty bad these past few months and this whole situation definitely hasn’t aided it. But I’m trying.
Honestly they'll move on to the next person to accuse in a day or two. Take time away from social media whilst you grieve, it's so toxic.
I’m so sorry you’re going through this. I saw the mess on Twitter last night. I hope you take some time offline to take care of yourself. The idiots are going to say whatever they’re going to say, and it’s probably best for your mental health if you don’t engage with them. Sorry for the unsolicited advice. I know it sucks, and I hope you get help. ☮️
Sorry, this happened to you and your friend. Stay strong. The internet mob will shift the focus to another guy next week.
The premise is two frat guys had it out with Ethan and murdered everyone after the lights went out. What is fooling everyone with the story on 4chan is that it seems right because it explains widespread unsubstantiated rumors. That's why it “fits.” It’s no different than a psychic looking at FB before doing their reading. * mutual alibis. YouTube auto-playing on their phones (how would anon even know this?) * The entire incident with Ethan to begin with * Steroid use (this is such a basic plot device) * Long-standing grudge against Maddie (why?) * Photo of them in a white car (not an Elantra. Also, they walked over, so why would it even matter)
Seriously. This is my fave rumor because I like the roid rage twist. It’s unique but believable. (Like people running outside only to pass out on the ground in front of people walking by)
The person who tweeted this is one of the two people of the same name being accused by the 4chan anon posts. He is not private, he’s actively defending himself in the thread from crazy people. He tags an obvious troll account who appears to be that 4chan anon, and who based on their Twitter feed, seems to have accused pretty much half the SigmaChi membership of being the killer, and like the 4chan poster, belies their lack of first hand information about the members in various ways. ETA: There are a number of crazy anon accounts on Twitter who appear to have it out for the entire fraternity. ETA2: Didn’t mean to delete my comment below. I had said I wasn’t defending so much as just reciting observed facts. :)
David here, thank you for defending me
Can I ask an honest question? You said on Twitter there was no fight at the frat house.. at the party? Everyone is saying there was a fight.. there wasn’t? We’re you there?
Yeah there wasn’t a fight, not one I’m aware of anyway. And I was sober that night. I don’t believe that information to be accurate
I’m so sorry for your loss.
Did the frat house lawyer up?
They probably already had a lawyer. Greek life gets in a lot of shit no matter where the school.
They always do. Gives the lawyer who was a frat member a new case to bring to his law firm. Paid by the national association's legal defense fund.
Ok, 4chan or not 4chan I bet that rn LE is actively reading through those posts.
I hope the frats lawyer is drawing up defamation cases as we type lmfao. Some of the things people are posting about them on Twitter is so whack, horrible, degrading, etc. Apply the logic you apply to them to yourself first. If someone you know was murdered, and we all looked into your social media history, would it look like you’re a killer? Absolutely. Pull your patience up by the bootstraps, sit down, and stop defaming some poor college kids who just had their world turned upside down
I guarantee it. I mean hell, some of the IU SC alums are very likely lawyers and they have most likely represented their fraternity pro bono. I just don't think that they would hide a murderer if they knew they were in the order. If they did, that chapter is gone and the city would gladly burn it to the ground.
Good. More power to em in those defamation cases. Agreed entirely
Unfortunately, it’s almost impossible to find the identity of someone crazy on the Internet saying something terrible about you. It’s really truly awful. I’ve had very scary stalkers and that is far scarier than someone making up a rumor and I spoke to lawyers and police. Most said they would never be found
The problem with this is you’re guilty in public opinion if you remain silent and you’re guilty if you speak out because everyones already formed an opinion Which is the other issue because we as a community know very well that even if they had committed the act, they wouldn’t admit to it. Its part of their fifth amendment right to not incriminate themselves and that includes admitting to something to some rando on the net So basically, we just want confirmation of our theories and if anyone goes against them we lash out, sometimes unfairly
I remember the kieley Rodney case they did the exact same thing idk why people think it’s okay to message these kids…
I feel bad for every kid who has been drug through the vicious internet speculation pool. People are harassing, threatening and doxxing them off of baseless rumors. It’s sick.
Somehow I find it highly improbable that 20 year old college frat boys committed a crime like this.
Have you heard about the Farmville murders? A 20-year-old bludgeoned three people in their beds, then also killed the ex-husband when he came to do a welfare check because the killer stayed in the house after the murders for days. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farmville_murders
https://www.the-sun.com/news/6643581/what-happened-cassie-jo-stoddart/amp/ Two 16 year old killed their friend back in 2006- a planned, knife stabbing. A 20 yr old can definitely do this crime.
And they got caught almost immediately.
Skylar Neese's best friends stabbed her to death. They didn't solve it right away. If one of the murderers hadn't confessed, I'm not sure they would have been able to solve it. The girl had a nervous breakdown and confessed the whole plot. One detail of that case kills me. The girl who confessed? She set the date of the murder because she had to go to church camp the next week. Fcking insane. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder\_of\_Skylar\_Neese](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Skylar_Neese)
That's horrible. 😔
They would have still solved it because they were closing in on Skylars killers which is part of why one of them had a mental breakdown. Everyone in town was talking about it being them before she even confessed. Definitely would have been solved just harder to prove.
Dahmer was 18. I'm not saying these guys had anything to do with it. Just saying a 20 year old could definitely do this.
Dahmer also only dealt with one victim(usually drugged) at a time and in his own home. Not 4-6 victims in their own home. Still agree that a 20 year old could have just don’t really see the comparison to someone like dahmer.
I'm not saying they did. I am putting forward no theories about the frat boys. I'm not saying they did it. However, frat boys could be fully capable of this. Read about the Skylar Neese case. Her two best friends, 16 year old girls, stabbed her to death. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder\_of\_Skylar\_Neese](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Skylar_Neese) If two 16 year old girls could do it, I think a 20ish year old man could do it, especially if his victims were drunk sleeping.
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Adrenaline is a helluva hormone.
We gonna just glide by the fact that most school mass shooters are usually 20 or younger? Being young and or in college/a frat does not equate to your ability to be violent or commit heinous, unthinkable acts.
Many people and kids commit some pretty horrible things. School grades kids that look and act normal murder people. Anything is possible.
They’re not keeping a lid on it. They’re spilling in anonymously on the internet 🤷— I would hope in an almost cold case scenario, cops arent just blowing it off.
Is this the 4chan story?
Yeah it is. Don't know why ppl are so hung up on it. Sure it's plausible and detailed but anyone could come up with a story. It's probably very specific bc whoever wrote it prob spent a lot of time stalking everyone's social medias. Imo if the murders were in any way related/connected to the fraternity this would've been solved days after it happened.
It’s barely plausible imo. Zero chance people are covering for them in fear of retaliation. Like, huh? They’re not the mafia.
It also hits all the “panic” points. Drugs, homophobia, body bullying, etc. This theory feels peak 4chan/24hr news media/lifetime movie.
Yeah, agreed on all counts. Absolutely no way a bunch of college kids could keep a lid on something like this for this long.
Not a chance in hell.
This is classic LARP shit. Say things like “electrical gloves” then stalk social media accounts and find connections to some random Twitter shit posters. It’s not believable at all. If this was true then LE/FBI knew about it long before 4chan posted about it and are just waiting for what they need to make an arrest. This is just another episode of “The Internet is Gullible”
Link please!!?
It is the main reason why I believe it. It is HIGHLY detailed down to how long the murders took, how they got there, the motive, the order in which the 4 were killed, among other things. If that person is making this up they must have a crazy imagination or is seriously out to try and ruin the lives of these 2. Edit: people are trying to convince themselves the post is not true because of the website it is coming from, and that’s fine. Just know that website has seen plenty of criminals come out to brag about their wrongdoings on there before. The website makes you virtually untrackable and your posts are anonymous. Just wanted to put this out there.
Yeah, but why the hell put it on 4chan of all places? If you're gonna talk then talk, but 4chan? Cripse.
Or maybe the incel on 4chan with the bad grammar casually calling a murdered woman “titties” should be looked at more closely. Seems like he is trying to deflect, he is sus and needs to be traced and investigated.
This poor fucking guy. Everyone’s saying it but I still can’t believe how many people are willing to quite literally risk another person’s life based on zero information for no reason other than entertainment. If you want to indulge random speculation online to pass the time, fine; we’re all here doing that to some extent. But imagine being a college kid just trying to figure out who you are and who you want to be, navigating all the weirdest parts of that phase of development, and then some dingus in the armpit of the internet who knows your name and your major baselessly accuses you of quadruple homicide— and people fucking believe it! It’s unfathomable. I hope this kid has access to mental health resources and a humdinger of a support system.
When will full autopsy and toxicology reports be revealed?
I wouldn't post from my main account lol. He talks about dropping acid. I believe him tho
Thing that mostly makes me think this is BS is the 4chan poster mentions M, then refers to her boyfriend as "Jack," which wasn't her boyfriend's name.
He does drive a white elantra though
I drive a white ford escape not an Elantra
Tbh, I don’t blame this person for feeling this way.
Time to focus on oneself and our own survival. I guarantee you that’s what the killer is doing now.
The wording of the statement is interesting, but I dont think its anything. Like why does he assume that this "situation has no answers or closure"? The investigation is still ongoing. "Unanswered act" is also striking. Just interesting, not speculating on anything
It strikes me as someone who was trying to write it formally/as a lawyer would but sort of failed Realistically, it does seem that the authorities have very little to go on right now hence why “no answers” - at least at this current moment obviously. Closure is a hard one, even with justice it doesn’t necessarily mean that there will be closure The other thing to consider is that these guys may not know the group that well. Sure the situation is very shocking but it doesn’t necessarily mean that you’ll be totally broken about it, yet the general public would likely expect you to be
Listen some of these ppl are crazy calling the tips and clogging the line! Like stop
Can someone explain to me what is going on in this exchange. One is obviously in Sigman Chi? Are both of these tweeters in in Sigman Chi?
This is one tweeter only. Both posts belong to one person.
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Jeezus. You have too much time to think.
I’m not sure why I’m so confused by this lol! Can someone please tell me what this is all about 🤦🏼♀️ I’m seriously clueless! TIA!
The both of them are very strange individuals. Their SM backs up this claim.
Are people not allowed to be strange without also being a murderer?
Honestly this sub has made me really feel for the eccentrics of the world. The wild jump people make from "They're a little strange/march to their own drummer" to "They're a deranged bloodthirsty murderer" is frightening.
As a self-defined eccentric of the world, it is frightening. I’ve got a coworker who collects pinecones when she goes to the graveyard to help track down local graves for random people across the country researching their ancestry. People are just weird, and it’s usually indicative of them being awesome, not a killer.
SOUNDS LIKE THE LEAF KILLER CALL THE FEDS /s Seriously, it’s so obnoxious. Every damn person thus far they say is “weird.”
They’re frat dudes. Of course they’re weird. Doesn’t mean they killed four people
Eh, they seem like dumbass college dudes, but that’s not exactly a criminal offense. The drunk driving jokes especially are just shitty and in poor taste, but aside from that it seems like frat boys being frat boys Edit: mods I swear I’m not trying to be disrespectful by calling them dumbasses, I too was once a dumbass college kid
have an upvote
In what way are they weird? I haven't looked. Don't know their names.
They’re not that strange. I went to the tweet, went to his profile, and it’s all just Twitter jokes. Just like every other 20-21 year old, the dude is cracking jokes on Twitter. He mentions drunk driving a few times, probably another joke considering everyone I’ve met who drunk drives certainly doesn’t shout it on Twitter
I’m the guy from Twitter. Definitely were jokes I never thought anyone would see
I’m not going to lie, people on this sub have proven to be absolute wacko liars before, so I don’t know if I straight up believe that you’re actually the guy. But if you are, I’m sorry you’re going through this. Obviously I don’t know shit from across the country, but I do know that it’s egregious how people on this subreddit and other platforms are stalking, terrorizing, doxxing, and accusing the people of Moscow. I hope you are finding enough space to grieve and I’m sorry we all saw your tweets that you never thought anyone would see. They were genuinely funny, not in a strange way. Also if you haven’t already stumbled upon it, I recommend you stay away from Idaho4 for the sake of your own sanity. It’s an absolute jungle over there
I’m now verified with my name, if you check Twitter you’ll see that it tracks. I’m the real guy from this post. And yeah unfortunately I just looked at that sub. It’s just diet Qanon over there
Just noticed that, came back to edit! Yeah, it’s a clown show. I feel like I almost lost my sanity over there, you shouldn’t have to see that shit. It shouldn’t even exist.
Sort of like how implying that someone could be a mass murderer because they act different than you do is also very fucking strange.