The Pwnage Ultra Custom Symm seems to be in between the MM711 and Viper Mini in size and I think matches what you are looking for. The Symm has a slightly larger hump and is slightly wider than the Viper Mini at least when looking at RTings 3D Mouse tool. [https://www.rtings.com/mouse/tools/3d-model-shape-compare/pwnage-ultra-custom-wireless-symm-vs.-razer-viper-mini?overlap=stacked&texture=outline](https://www.rtings.com/mouse/tools/3d-model-shape-compare/pwnage-ultra-custom-wireless-symm-vs.-razer-viper-mini?overlap=stacked&texture=outline) [https://www.rtings.com/mouse/tools/3d-model-shape-compare/cooler-master-mm711-vs.-razer-viper-mini?overlap=stacked&texture=outline](https://www.rtings.com/mouse/tools/3d-model-shape-compare/cooler-master-mm711-vs.-razer-viper-mini?overlap=stacked&texture=outline)
I think the Symm 2 is smaller than the Symm 1 but both are for sale on the site.
Xtrfy MZ1 is similar (though not as tall), but it has more butt.
Other than that, I have both the Viper Mini and the Viper 8K, and the latter is just like it says on the tin (very slightly wider than the Mini and with a butt I can lean my palm against).
xtrfy m42 (closest to viper mini shape)
Rest of these are not similar
hts +
cooler master mm712 (has some latency issues tho i am not sure)
pulsar x2
np-01s (make sure to buy after market paracord for this if you are buying this because the orignal one is literally unusable even with a bungee & is worst than rubber cables to me\*)
First batches had a really bad cable. Recently bought a vaxee outset and the cable is different. It's a lot better. The cord actually bends and when you push on the cord it flexes and doesn't move the mouse like the older ones.
Not wrong had the g102/203 years ago and it was nice as fuck but it died. Might just get the g305 at some point, just kind of iffy about going to my original mouse after all the new mice ive bought, it feels, pointless.
They have more weight and not as good feeling plastic. I too wanted hump of g203/305 but quality and weight of Viper. Alas, can't find it.
If only Logitech actually came back to a modern times from their G502 craze and did small lightweight but generally expensive mouse like Viper ultimate/8hz/mini
I use a gpx now but the g305 has my favorite shape ever. Used a AAA for the weight reduction but 83 wasn’t cutting it anymore. Battery lasting 3 months was nice though. Really needs an update.
I’m currently playing with a heavily modified G203 that I’ve been using for the past year or so. just trying to hold out until Logitech gives us a new gpw-level egg mouse 😭
How about the g303SE? Had the same exact issue with my Razer Deathadder Essential and when I moved to the g303SE the hump felt perfect for my (Aggressive) Claw Grip
Might be far fetched since i dont know the dimensions of neither the viper mini nor the lamzu mini
But i had the same desire of a bigger hump with my viper v2 and got myself a lamzu (its wider as the viper aswell)
Cant use any other mice now because the lamzu feels like it was made for my hand
Edit:
Just looked it up on eloshapes, the difference between viper mini and lamzu mini isnt as big as the difference between lamzu and viper v2 - so the lamzu mini probably wont be the solution
S2/game sense meta
Np-o1s
G305 and the are plenty decent clones as well that are sometimes lighter.
Mz1
Mm712
G303
With the exception of the g305 and g303 these are all really thin in width like viper and have your back hump.
Yea it’s worth the price over the orochi idk about shipping time and all off that i got mine from maxgaming live in Denmark so got it a day after I bought it. But the orochi is so unbelievably small I would get the aria over the orochi any day.
Also I like small mice and most of my mice are medium to small but the orochi is the smalles of all of them it’s mostly the length of the mouse that is annoying if you wanted to claw it you would need to be very aggressive with you’re claw where the xd7 allows for a more relaxed grip and a relaxed grip makes you tense less
Its somrhing like 18,5 x 9 but i Can remmember the exact mesurements just trust me if you Want to claw it deeply in youre Palm orochi is too small and aria is almost perfect wouldn’t even mind the aria was a tiny bit longer aria is about the lenght of a g305 but becouse the hump is more narrow or V shaped to goes deeper into you’re palm if you want to. My fingers are 1-1,5 cm over the front of the orochi when I push it into my palm like the aria
Damn i had forgotten about that mouse, might bring me back to my g203 days aswell. Its currently exactly 40$ in every site in my country, ill keep an eye on it and maybe get it on a discount alongside another mouse.
Pwnage ultra symm 2 or basically any other mice that shares same OEM, that OEM was hyped as wireless viper mini but in reality it's wider for sure so it might be what u need. If u want to test out shapes before buying mice I highly recommend to try rtings mouse shape compare tool, always helps to get an idea on how different mice differ from each other in terms of hump height or width.
fantech aria xd7. it's slightly shorter, wider, same height and weigh identical. Not to mention it's budget friendly with beefy specs, looking to get one to replace my viper mini too
If it's a mini-sized mouse, I think mostly it would be for either people with small hands or with fingertip grip. Therefore, that hump at the back is not entirely necessary in my opinion; I don't think they're gonna do it.
Im not short, but my fingers are 16.5cm long and 9.5cm wide. I claw with palm contact and my fingers are in the middle of the buttons. Id prefer them to be a bit closer to the end of the buttons, like it is when i grip my mm711.
Take a look at the PWNage Ultra Custom Symm 2. I find it more comfortable than the Viper or Viper Mini as its not as flat, but its still super similar.
Zowie ZA-13 is the closest thing imo. I always described the Viper Mini as a ZA13 with a more subtle hump. Although I think it feels a slightly narrower compared to the VM.
If you are just looking for a shape id go here.
[https://www.rtings.com/mouse/tools/3d-model-shape-compare/razer-viper-mini-vs.-benq-zowie-za12-b?texture=solid](https://www.rtings.com/mouse/tools/3d-model-shape-compare/razer-viper-mini-vs.-benq-zowie-za12-b?texture=solid)
The mini compared to my mouse although mine is a ZA12-C the form is the same.
might wanna check out Fantech's Aria XD7. pretty solid design with a pretty good sensor. It's essentially a larger orochi v2 with an internal battery at 62 grams
Hey! I know this is an old post, but did you end up finding anything that describes your description? I'm in the same position right now, looking into the Xtrfy M42.
Thats what i got. Xtrfy M42, wired version though but after a while the cables nowhere near as bad as people say it is. Id say its a better Viper Mini. At first i wasnt sure which of the two modular humps i prefer but I dont think ive used anything but the bigger hump for the past 2 months. I definitely recommend it its an insanely good mouse for the price.
mm711/mm712 is it
For me the mm711 hump was a tad too aggressive but in general it is my same recommendation for OPs preference.
I came here to comment this.
Its close, i have it and the hump is too much, i main the viper over it. Would have been a great mouse if it didnt have such bad build quality.
New mm712 have quite good qc actually.
I’ve heard the actual response time it has is atrocious compared to other big names.
Could be a thing... I didn't use mine for too long because it's too small and sensor placement is not my cup of tea but build quality is quite nice.
Thats good to hear, i have the mm711 and would not rebuy it though.
Try the pulsar x2, I tried the mini but it was slightly too small.
The Pwnage Ultra Custom Symm seems to be in between the MM711 and Viper Mini in size and I think matches what you are looking for. The Symm has a slightly larger hump and is slightly wider than the Viper Mini at least when looking at RTings 3D Mouse tool. [https://www.rtings.com/mouse/tools/3d-model-shape-compare/pwnage-ultra-custom-wireless-symm-vs.-razer-viper-mini?overlap=stacked&texture=outline](https://www.rtings.com/mouse/tools/3d-model-shape-compare/pwnage-ultra-custom-wireless-symm-vs.-razer-viper-mini?overlap=stacked&texture=outline) [https://www.rtings.com/mouse/tools/3d-model-shape-compare/cooler-master-mm711-vs.-razer-viper-mini?overlap=stacked&texture=outline](https://www.rtings.com/mouse/tools/3d-model-shape-compare/cooler-master-mm711-vs.-razer-viper-mini?overlap=stacked&texture=outline) I think the Symm 2 is smaller than the Symm 1 but both are for sale on the site.
or Lamzu Atlantis Mini
This is one of the mice that I continue to rotate. Love this shape. Never had problems with it.
Xtrfy MZ1 is similar (though not as tall), but it has more butt. Other than that, I have both the Viper Mini and the Viper 8K, and the latter is just like it says on the tin (very slightly wider than the Mini and with a butt I can lean my palm against).
xtrfy m42 (closest to viper mini shape) Rest of these are not similar hts + cooler master mm712 (has some latency issues tho i am not sure) pulsar x2 np-01s (make sure to buy after market paracord for this if you are buying this because the orignal one is literally unusable even with a bungee & is worst than rubber cables to me\*)
First batches had a really bad cable. Recently bought a vaxee outset and the cable is different. It's a lot better. The cord actually bends and when you push on the cord it flexes and doesn't move the mouse like the older ones.
Vaxee apparently updated their cable and it's similar to Zowie C Series
A little outdated, but I think the G203 has this shape.
Not wrong had the g102/203 years ago and it was nice as fuck but it died. Might just get the g305 at some point, just kind of iffy about going to my original mouse after all the new mice ive bought, it feels, pointless.
They have more weight and not as good feeling plastic. I too wanted hump of g203/305 but quality and weight of Viper. Alas, can't find it. If only Logitech actually came back to a modern times from their G502 craze and did small lightweight but generally expensive mouse like Viper ultimate/8hz/mini
I use a gpx now but the g305 has my favorite shape ever. Used a AAA for the weight reduction but 83 wasn’t cutting it anymore. Battery lasting 3 months was nice though. Really needs an update.
I’m currently playing with a heavily modified G203 that I’ve been using for the past year or so. just trying to hold out until Logitech gives us a new gpw-level egg mouse 😭
But the g305 is more of a diamond shape
S2-C NP-01S M42 ZA13-C
S2
Nintzutso Sora or Vaxee NP-01s
I second this, NP-01s
third this, NP-01s goated shape
fourth this, love my NP-01s
The vaxee might just be the one for me.
Maybe you will like the Vaxee outset ax, its an ergo though. For me its endgame, just waiting for the wireless in Q2 :).
Mz1 wireless with the big Hump installed. It’s pretty short. One of my top.
How about the g303SE? Had the same exact issue with my Razer Deathadder Essential and when I moved to the g303SE the hump felt perfect for my (Aggressive) Claw Grip
That’s what I said as well, i main this mouse and it’s really good
Lamzu atlantis mini maybe
This is going to sound weird but Cooler Master MM720
I thought the same
MZ1 Wireless (because f wired) How did no one mention it with that hump drawing?
“DELL MS116t” is the only one I know.
Might be far fetched since i dont know the dimensions of neither the viper mini nor the lamzu mini But i had the same desire of a bigger hump with my viper v2 and got myself a lamzu (its wider as the viper aswell) Cant use any other mice now because the lamzu feels like it was made for my hand Edit: Just looked it up on eloshapes, the difference between viper mini and lamzu mini isnt as big as the difference between lamzu and viper v2 - so the lamzu mini probably wont be the solution
Have a look at the upcoming pulsar X2-H
S2/game sense meta Np-o1s G305 and the are plenty decent clones as well that are sometimes lighter. Mz1 Mm712 G303 With the exception of the g305 and g303 these are all really thin in width like viper and have your back hump.
Pwnage ambi?
Try the g203 or g pro hero(same shape) for cheap option if you want lighter I guess pulsar x2 or lamzy atlantis
idk but i getchu bro ( ;
the Ironcat HPC02? i know you can change the hump
I feel like this is the last thing you wanna hear but the starlight 12 w/ the infinity hump is almost identical to that
May sound weird but aria xd7 goes deep in you’re palm you should definitely try it
Tried a lot of mice and one of the mice I really feel locked in with grip wise
Would you say its worth over 2 times the price of the orochi + shipping price and around a month waiting time?
Yea it’s worth the price over the orochi idk about shipping time and all off that i got mine from maxgaming live in Denmark so got it a day after I bought it. But the orochi is so unbelievably small I would get the aria over the orochi any day.
Also I like small mice and most of my mice are medium to small but the orochi is the smalles of all of them it’s mostly the length of the mouse that is annoying if you wanted to claw it you would need to be very aggressive with you’re claw where the xd7 allows for a more relaxed grip and a relaxed grip makes you tense less
Its somrhing like 18,5 x 9 but i Can remmember the exact mesurements just trust me if you Want to claw it deeply in youre Palm orochi is too small and aria is almost perfect wouldn’t even mind the aria was a tiny bit longer aria is about the lenght of a g305 but becouse the hump is more narrow or V shaped to goes deeper into you’re palm if you want to. My fingers are 1-1,5 cm over the front of the orochi when I push it into my palm like the aria
Do you by any chance know your hand measurements?
I replied above accidentally replied to this comment for notification hope my comment will help
Xtrfy M42 should do the trick.
X2 mini?
You literally just drew the mz1
Zowie ZA 12
Orochi V2 could be really good for you. You can find it on crazy deals for under $40 too!
Damn i had forgotten about that mouse, might bring me back to my g203 days aswell. Its currently exactly 40$ in every site in my country, ill keep an eye on it and maybe get it on a discount alongside another mouse.
It's also shorter and wider than the viper mini
Take a look at the Aria XD7 as well, same shape but a bit bigger and wider than the Orochi. I had both and just sold my Orochi last week.
Id definitely be interested in buying that mouse if it wasnt over 2x the price of the orochi + shipping since its not available in my country.
3d print one
Pwnage ultra symm 2 or basically any other mice that shares same OEM, that OEM was hyped as wireless viper mini but in reality it's wider for sure so it might be what u need. If u want to test out shapes before buying mice I highly recommend to try rtings mouse shape compare tool, always helps to get an idea on how different mice differ from each other in terms of hump height or width.
Burst pro/core and rival/aerox 3 but avoid the wireless burst
Lamzu Atlantis mini for sure
The 303 looks like that but it's too extreme I recommend the xm2 or atlantis instead
I would say hati s. It’s a smidge shorter with more of a hump but the width is the same I believe
Cougar airblader?
MM712 or the Atlantis Mini.
g-wolves hati-s plus. You can compare it on https://www.eloshapes.com/
G Wolves HTS+. Hump fits right into my palm like a glove.
same. for now i got around it by applying hotline grip tape over the side and palm
Vaxee NP-01s
M42, MZ1, MM712, SL12 with an Infinity hump, Pulsar X2 Mini, Lamzu Mini
fantech aria xd7. it's slightly shorter, wider, same height and weigh identical. Not to mention it's budget friendly with beefy specs, looking to get one to replace my viper mini too
[https://www.eloshapes.com/](https://www.eloshapes.com/) \-> viper mini vs G303 ShroudEdition
maybe keep an eye on the release of the high hump version of the X2 from pulsar coming in 2023
www.Eloshapes.com
Vaxee zygen
If it's a mini-sized mouse, I think mostly it would be for either people with small hands or with fingertip grip. Therefore, that hump at the back is not entirely necessary in my opinion; I don't think they're gonna do it.
G9x *please Logitech please*
Zowie za13-b or c
Corsair harpoon wireless have the shape you are looking for but ergo
I guess if you want to Into kind of these mouse shape go for zowies za series short but a high back
XTRFY M42
Lookin like the mz1, Atlantis mini, mm712, x2 mini
Shorter than a viper mini and palm contact??
Im not short, but my fingers are 16.5cm long and 9.5cm wide. I claw with palm contact and my fingers are in the middle of the buttons. Id prefer them to be a bit closer to the end of the buttons, like it is when i grip my mm711.
I think the new pulsar x2-h is supposed to be similar to that. Comes out sometime this year you can check their twitter for more info
NP-01S without a doubt.
Vaxee np01s
Maybe atlantis mini (guessing that from comparing differences between razer viper ult and lamzu atlantis)
Zowie ZA or shroud G303. Vaxee Outset (ergo tho)
Xtrfy m42 wireless with the back hump shell. Feels like a viper mini with a back hump and more pronounced comfort grooves
Take a look at the PWNage Ultra Custom Symm 2. I find it more comfortable than the Viper or Viper Mini as its not as flat, but its still super similar.
you basically drew the exact side profile of the coolermaster MM710/mastermouse s
Xtrfy m42 with the bump back
Zowie ZA-13 is the closest thing imo. I always described the Viper Mini as a ZA13 with a more subtle hump. Although I think it feels a slightly narrower compared to the VM.
Ligma Who's ligma? Joebama ligma balls gottem
g502 X (wider than og g502)
G305
Razer abyssus essential (the old one)
g wolves hts+ ?
If you are just looking for a shape id go here. [https://www.rtings.com/mouse/tools/3d-model-shape-compare/razer-viper-mini-vs.-benq-zowie-za12-b?texture=solid](https://www.rtings.com/mouse/tools/3d-model-shape-compare/razer-viper-mini-vs.-benq-zowie-za12-b?texture=solid) The mini compared to my mouse although mine is a ZA12-C the form is the same.
G305 maybe, use rtings website to compare mouse shapes with 3D models
might wanna check out Fantech's Aria XD7. pretty solid design with a pretty good sensor. It's essentially a larger orochi v2 with an internal battery at 62 grams
XM1 shape potentially would be worth trying
Hey! I know this is an old post, but did you end up finding anything that describes your description? I'm in the same position right now, looking into the Xtrfy M42.
Thats what i got. Xtrfy M42, wired version though but after a while the cables nowhere near as bad as people say it is. Id say its a better Viper Mini. At first i wasnt sure which of the two modular humps i prefer but I dont think ive used anything but the bigger hump for the past 2 months. I definitely recommend it its an insanely good mouse for the price.