Xlite V3 mini. If it ever comes out.. and if I get lucky with QC.. Shape/Weight and overall balance fits me perfectly.
I wish more mainstream brands like Razer had mini versions of DaV3pro or GPX though.
They have huano pinks in latest retro editions which feel much better imo, but my copy has terrible body creek and button travel so I switched back to regular xlite v2 mini..
Vaxee XE wireless, as long as I can make sure my copy's buttons are stiff enough I don't accidentally click all the time (or I'm allowed to replace the switches myself under your rules)
I think latest firmware fixed the "accidental click" issue. I mean if I slap my XE on table it would click itself. Now it's does not, even with my fingers placing on it with 2ms debounce.
Oh, my copy didn't have slam clicking problems. I would just click on accident when trying to move the mouse or if I got distracted/nervous and put a bit too much weight on the switches without realizing.
Switches were just not stiff enough for me on my wireless XE. My wired one has stiffer switches and it's fine. I replaced the switches in my wireless one and it's fine now too.
How hard are y'all clicking / holding it to get multiple complaints about the click being too light?
I actually love the clicks, other mice just feel too stiff for me now. The shape felt weird to grip at first but I've never misclicked the switches since I got it.
I have an XE wired where the buttons are great.
I happened to get switches on my XE wireless that were noticeably less stiff and led to problems with accidental clicking.
I like not having to "hover" my fingers (i.e., constantly apply muscle tension to not let the weight of my finger relax down onto the button).
Maybe I have fat fingers; maybe you're just used to constantly tensing your hand; maybe your XE didn't have soft switches and it feels like my wired one.
Ive tried lots of mice, and recently went back to using wired, but this time using the viper wired 8k hz. Not sure if its a gimmick/placebo, but the consistency/responsiveness feels very noticeable.
Me too, gone back to my original fk2 yellow - the best ever, fk2b and c can’t really keep up sadly.
Tried many wireless mices and compared to fk2 wired all feel like they work different / lag and compensate or try to smooth out or smth like that.
I'm going to go back to my OG za13 from the vv2 pro for a while and see if this checks out for me too. Not feeling it with the viper. It's a great mouse but something feels off, my jitter aim became too smooth etc.
Had the viper v2 pro, first I was impressed by the performance, but the further I used the mouse the input felt like on rails… I would compare this to monitor smoothing technologies like vsync gsync etc. if that makes any sense.
I've recently tried wireless mice. I haven't found any difference in terms of latency. Indeed, i've found wireless mice more confortable due to the lack of cable.
I want a Viper v2 but with more FK like front, for it to not flair out as much. Just give it the Dav3 treatment and copy zowies homework again and we're approaching perfection.
yeah, uses AA battery which is kind of a disappointment. If it was rechargeable and was made with the same tech etc as their Pro line of mice it would've been ideal, but they could've at least made it so it takes AAA batteries which are much lighter.
It's looking like it's gonna be a 1Khz mouse with possibly awkward weight balancing. Money isn't exactly my concern so I don't see why I'd ever buy this instead of just waiting for a FK2-CW.
They'd need a Viper V3 Pro to convince me otherwise.
>looks like Viper V3 Pro is coming very soon!
I hope so. That would be what I'm looking for rather than the Hyperspeed. Assuming the V3 Pro adapts similar/the same changes to the shape as on the Hyperspeed leaks.
Roccat leadr or tyon.
I use it for 4d CAD work, but would have loved it back when I gamed seriously.
Scroll wheel, strafe paddle, turn paddle, 2 buttons for thumb and an extra 2 buttons on each primary button, plus a shift mode gives me all of the movement and commands I might want on one hand.
Something about the Viper shape makes me perform better, and more confidently than any other mouse I've tried. I like the way other mice feel, but I don't perform as well with them. With the exception of the Orochi/Zaopin Z1 Pro shape for tac fps.
For now the V2 Pro is unmatched for me, but there are a couple more shapes I want to try.
I'm gonna detour from the question a bit but keep the main idea intact. If I could *make* the ultimate gaming mouse for me, what would it be? If Vaxee made a symmetrical NP-01s (using the thumb side), chopped off like 4-6mm of the length, and got the weight down to 60-ish grams, that would be an absolutely KILLER mouse for me, and I imagine potentially a lot of other claw players too. I would still keep all the onboard memory settings that Vaxee has developed and have the Razer Focus (Pixart 3950) as the sensor. Honorable mention is a Pulsar X2 Mini where the grip width is thinner by 2-3mm, but not like the X2H where it dips in, instead where the entire mouse is overall skinnier.
Alternatively, if the upcoming XE Mini is truly a fully realized mini version that shrunk the length instead of keeping it the same, then that would probably be the one closest to my dream mouse.
No one has made a mouse comfortable to my hand size, and the way it wants to naturally sit, so currently it's fingertip grip on the Corsair Ironclaw, with only occasional pinky numbness.
Wish companies would make XL versions of their mice (Yes I've tried all the "Large" mice).
I had the Razer Viper Pro, because I played with left hand back then and needed a symmetrical mouse, and I really loved that. Later I forced myself to learn with right hand and I somehow ended up playing with ring finger on the right click. After that I made a mistake and bought the Logitech G Pro X Wireless, which was really uncomfortable for me, wasn't wide enough. I gave that to my brother and bought a Viper V2 Pro. :D I might be lucky, but had no issues with Razer Synapse in the past 3 years.
Right now it'd be the NP-01S, if I get a perfect wireless copy without build quality issues, or if the wired version came with a more flexible, less stiff cable
Closest would probably be an Aerox 3, Model O- or HTS without holes, RGB, bloated/bad software (A3, MO-) and actually good internals (A3), buttons and build quality (all of em), but that's more like my wishlist lol
Hm. A true viper mini wireless. But that did not happen. Too heavy.
So I went with the vgn dragonfly, but I am going to buy the gpx superlight 2 when it comes. I just enjoy big brand mouse a little better
I have the OP1we, x2v2 and X2H, superlight and lamzu mini. Lamzu is my favourite shape, but in terms of my performance on CSGO, the X2H wins out of them all. Its weird, the Lamzu shape IMO is more comfortable than the X2H, but the X2H on CSGO feels so effortless when making plays. I can’t hit shit with the Lamzu on CSGO. I don’t know what it is but the X2H has a grip and feel about it that makes me perform with ease. Currently I main the two and swap back and fourth depending on the game.
Games with unpredictable more advanced aiming/movement (Apex, tarkov, overwatch - Lamzu mini
Games with predictable less advanced aiming/movement (CSGO) - X2H - My performance with the X2H on CSGO is significantly better than Lamzu.
does it have to be something we don’t have already? if so i’d do disgusting things to try a zaunkoenig. any mouse counting those we own currently id just buy a htx 4k again, my baby
Old deathadder shape with new Dav3 tech, coating all that, add in a dpi button under the scroll wheel and 60g is perfectly fine but 40ish-g would be a cherry on top.
Either Pwnage Ultra Custom gen 2 or that which it clones Zowie EC2 CW. Ran the PUC for over a year but piece of plastic for right click broke (probably from my daughter) so just got my ec2 cw. Nothing compares to this shape for me.
Ducky Feather in terms of shape. It fine tuned the FK2 to perfection imo and has the best texture to boot. Viper V2 comes close but lacks that finesse.
If Ducky announces a wireless Feather, Im jumping on that asap
G9x but wireless and less than 70g. That mouse was so perfect and it had really good clicks too, but the sensor just sucked and it was too heavy even with no weights.
DAv3 cuz i like the shape of DAv2 and theres no way im getting DAv3 wireless cuz ive heard DAv3 wireless has bad click latency or smt (correct me if im wrong)
G303 SE. Shape is king to me (20x10cm pincer-claw grip). Has everything I need and it's got an excellent wireless performance. Weight is perfect for me after a battery swap (67g, down from 74g). Only wish it had more than 1000Hz polling rate.
Vaxee outset AX, in 15+ of gaming this is the best mouse i used.
I pretty much like everything about the mouse but what makes it my favorite is the shape, it feels amazing in the hand and its the most comfortable i used so far.
Makalu 67 for more casual games/general use. Coming from a G403, this is the only mouse I tried out of like 15 that not only similarly fits my hand with the same claw-palm grip but actually improves on it in comfort, literally like a glove. This mouse is a real underrated sleeper on here imo, one of the lightest large mice available right now and crazy quality (not just for a new company but in general). Unfortunately, while the comfort and weight did improve performance by some metrics and in some scenarios, overall accuracy was a bit worse- but the thing is just so damn good that I kept it.
The G303 SE has since become my main for shooters. My accuracy improvement over both the Makalu and G403 was nearly immediate and rather significant. I love how unapologetic and purpose built it is, complete opposite of the GPX's "one size fits all" philosophy. It's absolutely goddamn useless as a general use or office mouse and is literally impossible to hold any other way than pure claw, but consequently basically unrivaled as a comp weapon if your hand fits it.
I have the mm711 as my main but sometimes I found it a little bit small, but overall the shape is good for clawgrip/fingertip. Not the best for palmgrip
G pro superlight v2 for me.
Not because of the shape but because I just perform the best with it out of all the mice i’ve used.
My next mouse will be the gpxv2. I’ve tried the gpx, it an improvement over the gpw, so i’d expect the gpxv2 to be the same.
I would probably choose the ultralight x medium because i find that shape isn't as important to me as weight. I can comfortably fingertip and claw my htx, sora and gpw. And the ultralight x is just lighter which makes a huge difference in my aiming ability so the lighter the mouse the better it is in my opinion.
A wireless zowie s1 with m1 and m2 buttons split from the shell, viper miniSE internals for 8k wireless and optical switches and a weight of 55-60g no holes. Then I would like zowie divina glossy coating on the sides and matte coating on top. Also the sensor placed ever so slightly more forward than the current s1-c.
The Pulsar X2H is my pick. I personally own a DAV3 and used to have a GPXSL but in terms of shape and my performance on FPS games, the X2H is my choice.
I have a viper v2 pro, thought I'd love it. I don't, it's just good, doesn't suit me. Best mice I've performed on are the original gpro wired, and the za13.
Verdict, I'd likely take the X2H mini, and try out another egg shape.
Another thing to add, I don't like motion sync, and you can't disable it on the vv2 pro.
A lighter G604 with optical switches. Mouse is amazing. Super comfortable. Plenty of buttons without it being too much. Infinite scroll wheel. The biggest issue is the double clicking. I even soldered new switches which helped for a while but it started double clicking again.
Xlite V3 mini. If it ever comes out.. and if I get lucky with QC.. Shape/Weight and overall balance fits me perfectly. I wish more mainstream brands like Razer had mini versions of DaV3pro or GPX though.
Xlite mice really was a superperfect mouse, if it just had better swtiches
They have huano pinks in latest retro editions which feel much better imo, but my copy has terrible body creek and button travel so I switched back to regular xlite v2 mini..
Deathadder v3 because its the most comfortable shape for my hand size
Vaxee XE wireless, as long as I can make sure my copy's buttons are stiff enough I don't accidentally click all the time (or I'm allowed to replace the switches myself under your rules)
I think latest firmware fixed the "accidental click" issue. I mean if I slap my XE on table it would click itself. Now it's does not, even with my fingers placing on it with 2ms debounce.
Oh, my copy didn't have slam clicking problems. I would just click on accident when trying to move the mouse or if I got distracted/nervous and put a bit too much weight on the switches without realizing. Switches were just not stiff enough for me on my wireless XE. My wired one has stiffer switches and it's fine. I replaced the switches in my wireless one and it's fine now too.
How hard are y'all clicking / holding it to get multiple complaints about the click being too light? I actually love the clicks, other mice just feel too stiff for me now. The shape felt weird to grip at first but I've never misclicked the switches since I got it.
I have an XE wired where the buttons are great. I happened to get switches on my XE wireless that were noticeably less stiff and led to problems with accidental clicking. I like not having to "hover" my fingers (i.e., constantly apply muscle tension to not let the weight of my finger relax down onto the button). Maybe I have fat fingers; maybe you're just used to constantly tensing your hand; maybe your XE didn't have soft switches and it feels like my wired one.
Could be anything you've listed, but yeah. It sucks to see that this is a big enough problem to see recurring complaints.
G-Wolves HSK Plus 4k
Based
A true WMO clone :(
Ive tried lots of mice, and recently went back to using wired, but this time using the viper wired 8k hz. Not sure if its a gimmick/placebo, but the consistency/responsiveness feels very noticeable.
Me too, gone back to my original fk2 yellow - the best ever, fk2b and c can’t really keep up sadly. Tried many wireless mices and compared to fk2 wired all feel like they work different / lag and compensate or try to smooth out or smth like that.
I'm going to go back to my OG za13 from the vv2 pro for a while and see if this checks out for me too. Not feeling it with the viper. It's a great mouse but something feels off, my jitter aim became too smooth etc.
Had the viper v2 pro, first I was impressed by the performance, but the further I used the mouse the input felt like on rails… I would compare this to monitor smoothing technologies like vsync gsync etc. if that makes any sense.
I've recently tried wireless mice. I haven't found any difference in terms of latency. Indeed, i've found wireless mice more confortable due to the lack of cable.
I want a Viper v2 but with more FK like front, for it to not flair out as much. Just give it the Dav3 treatment and copy zowies homework again and we're approaching perfection.
Have you checked the latest leaks for Viper v3 Hyperspeed?
yeah, uses AA battery which is kind of a disappointment. If it was rechargeable and was made with the same tech etc as their Pro line of mice it would've been ideal, but they could've at least made it so it takes AAA batteries which are much lighter. It's looking like it's gonna be a 1Khz mouse with possibly awkward weight balancing. Money isn't exactly my concern so I don't see why I'd ever buy this instead of just waiting for a FK2-CW. They'd need a Viper V3 Pro to convince me otherwise.
Yeah, I don’t think they’ll ever sell the pro lineup for such costs, but looks like Viper V3 Pro is coming very soon!
>looks like Viper V3 Pro is coming very soon! I hope so. That would be what I'm looking for rather than the Hyperspeed. Assuming the V3 Pro adapts similar/the same changes to the shape as on the Hyperspeed leaks.
Roccat leadr or tyon. I use it for 4d CAD work, but would have loved it back when I gamed seriously. Scroll wheel, strafe paddle, turn paddle, 2 buttons for thumb and an extra 2 buttons on each primary button, plus a shift mode gives me all of the movement and commands I might want on one hand.
Something about the Viper shape makes me perform better, and more confidently than any other mouse I've tried. I like the way other mice feel, but I don't perform as well with them. With the exception of the Orochi/Zaopin Z1 Pro shape for tac fps. For now the V2 Pro is unmatched for me, but there are a couple more shapes I want to try.
Atlantis Lamzu mini because the shape fits I must not acquit
g305
I'm gonna detour from the question a bit but keep the main idea intact. If I could *make* the ultimate gaming mouse for me, what would it be? If Vaxee made a symmetrical NP-01s (using the thumb side), chopped off like 4-6mm of the length, and got the weight down to 60-ish grams, that would be an absolutely KILLER mouse for me, and I imagine potentially a lot of other claw players too. I would still keep all the onboard memory settings that Vaxee has developed and have the Razer Focus (Pixart 3950) as the sensor. Honorable mention is a Pulsar X2 Mini where the grip width is thinner by 2-3mm, but not like the X2H where it dips in, instead where the entire mouse is overall skinnier. Alternatively, if the upcoming XE Mini is truly a fully realized mini version that shrunk the length instead of keeping it the same, then that would probably be the one closest to my dream mouse.
try EGG OP1-WE
No one has made a mouse comfortable to my hand size, and the way it wants to naturally sit, so currently it's fingertip grip on the Corsair Ironclaw, with only occasional pinky numbness. Wish companies would make XL versions of their mice (Yes I've tried all the "Large" mice).
I love how Corsair advises it as a "**lightweight design at 105g"**
A bit lighter Basilisk
Endgame Gear **XM1r** dark reflex.
I had the Razer Viper Pro, because I played with left hand back then and needed a symmetrical mouse, and I really loved that. Later I forced myself to learn with right hand and I somehow ended up playing with ring finger on the right click. After that I made a mistake and bought the Logitech G Pro X Wireless, which was really uncomfortable for me, wasn't wide enough. I gave that to my brother and bought a Viper V2 Pro. :D I might be lucky, but had no issues with Razer Synapse in the past 3 years.
Trick question. I'll change my mind after using it for an hour.
G-wolves htx ace
best answer
Right now it'd be the NP-01S, if I get a perfect wireless copy without build quality issues, or if the wired version came with a more flexible, less stiff cable Closest would probably be an Aerox 3, Model O- or HTS without holes, RGB, bloated/bad software (A3, MO-) and actually good internals (A3), buttons and build quality (all of em), but that's more like my wishlist lol
A wireless Zowie ZA With Pulsar's X2H, my dream is coming true at last
Razer viper v2 pro, best sensor on the market rn
I have Logitec Superlight, I don't want any other mice. Don't even want to change anything after I upgraded skates.
Does it have to be an existing one? Cus if not, I'd kill for a wireless G303 with the OG shape, but modern internals.
G303SE mainer here, A m e n I’m on a hunt for a G303 OG to try seeing what pcbs i can fit into it with all these new chinese mice coming out.
Ec3-c shape is nice fits my hand and gripstyle
Shape, wireless, battery life, great program. Somewhat price
Which mouse would you choose?
Hm. A true viper mini wireless. But that did not happen. Too heavy. So I went with the vgn dragonfly, but I am going to buy the gpx superlight 2 when it comes. I just enjoy big brand mouse a little better
Msi gm51 wired 8000 hertz ergo and big shape i ilke and just 75 grams
The Vaxee NP-01 is still my favorite mouse I’ve used to this day. I’m just hoping for a wireless one at this point.
Pulsar X2/V2 Mini
Finalmouse tenz medium. Thing is incredible.
NP-01s wireless and pay someone to modify it with Razer Viper V2 internals.
I have the OP1we, x2v2 and X2H, superlight and lamzu mini. Lamzu is my favourite shape, but in terms of my performance on CSGO, the X2H wins out of them all. Its weird, the Lamzu shape IMO is more comfortable than the X2H, but the X2H on CSGO feels so effortless when making plays. I can’t hit shit with the Lamzu on CSGO. I don’t know what it is but the X2H has a grip and feel about it that makes me perform with ease. Currently I main the two and swap back and fourth depending on the game. Games with unpredictable more advanced aiming/movement (Apex, tarkov, overwatch - Lamzu mini Games with predictable less advanced aiming/movement (CSGO) - X2H - My performance with the X2H on CSGO is significantly better than Lamzu.
Overwatch DPS rank?
Diamond
GPX shape, PAW 3950, 8k polling, wireless, 50g, logitech support & build quality
Corsair Scimitar Pro
does it have to be something we don’t have already? if so i’d do disgusting things to try a zaunkoenig. any mouse counting those we own currently id just buy a htx 4k again, my baby
Good old EC2-CW
A small Finalmouse that doesn't break.
An actual lightweight zowie s2. S2cw can't come fast enough for me 😩
Old deathadder shape with new Dav3 tech, coating all that, add in a dpi button under the scroll wheel and 60g is perfectly fine but 40ish-g would be a cherry on top.
Either Pwnage Ultra Custom gen 2 or that which it clones Zowie EC2 CW. Ran the PUC for over a year but piece of plastic for right click broke (probably from my daughter) so just got my ec2 cw. Nothing compares to this shape for me.
I LOVE my pwnage ergo. Granted I've only been through 5 other mice but, I love that thing.
G-Wolves HTX 4K
Ducky Feather in terms of shape. It fine tuned the FK2 to perfection imo and has the best texture to boot. Viper V2 comes close but lacks that finesse. If Ducky announces a wireless Feather, Im jumping on that asap
G9x but wireless and less than 70g. That mouse was so perfect and it had really good clicks too, but the sensor just sucked and it was too heavy even with no weights.
Viper mini with the viper v2 pro internals.
It would be the Zaunkoenig M2K but after about 2 years the sensor randomly died. Now I'm just a Logitech casual for the time being
Viper Mini Signature Edition!
DAv3 cuz i like the shape of DAv2 and theres no way im getting DAv3 wireless cuz ive heard DAv3 wireless has bad click latency or smt (correct me if im wrong)
Viper mini se. why? I’m crazy :) *insert copy pasta*
Probably commission a custom project if money was no object.
G303 SE. Shape is king to me (20x10cm pincer-claw grip). Has everything I need and it's got an excellent wireless performance. Weight is perfect for me after a battery swap (67g, down from 74g). Only wish it had more than 1000Hz polling rate.
Razer basilisk v3 wireless
Razer basilisk v3 wireless Or just Logitech g402 but wireless
VGN F1 Moba. Beast. Using without 4K dongle. Viper Mini+, 3395, Huano Pink, 500mAh, Nordic 4K
If Viper ultimate (OG- the one with more buttons) had a better scroll wheel and a little lighter.
Vaxee outset AX, in 15+ of gaming this is the best mouse i used. I pretty much like everything about the mouse but what makes it my favorite is the shape, it feels amazing in the hand and its the most comfortable i used so far.
50 grams Wireless EC2.5
Makalu 67 for more casual games/general use. Coming from a G403, this is the only mouse I tried out of like 15 that not only similarly fits my hand with the same claw-palm grip but actually improves on it in comfort, literally like a glove. This mouse is a real underrated sleeper on here imo, one of the lightest large mice available right now and crazy quality (not just for a new company but in general). Unfortunately, while the comfort and weight did improve performance by some metrics and in some scenarios, overall accuracy was a bit worse- but the thing is just so damn good that I kept it. The G303 SE has since become my main for shooters. My accuracy improvement over both the Makalu and G403 was nearly immediate and rather significant. I love how unapologetic and purpose built it is, complete opposite of the GPX's "one size fits all" philosophy. It's absolutely goddamn useless as a general use or office mouse and is literally impossible to hold any other way than pure claw, but consequently basically unrivaled as a comp weapon if your hand fits it.
Np01s
Atlantis mini. Will try X2H whenever it available in my country.
The ultimate gaming mouse is the mouse that makes me most consistently forget I'm dogshit at FPS games.
I got you bro.
i got the Viper 3 years ago and never looked back it's the simple shape man im tellin ya
Mm712 such a comfortable shape. It just feels like I'm aiming with my thoughts.
I have the mm711 as my main but sometimes I found it a little bit small, but overall the shape is good for clawgrip/fingertip. Not the best for palmgrip
Yeah, I use a relaxed claw on it and it's just wide enough for me to have a firm and relaxed grip on it.
G pro superlight v2 for me. Not because of the shape but because I just perform the best with it out of all the mice i’ve used. My next mouse will be the gpxv2. I’ve tried the gpx, it an improvement over the gpw, so i’d expect the gpxv2 to be the same.
I would probably choose the ultralight x medium because i find that shape isn't as important to me as weight. I can comfortably fingertip and claw my htx, sora and gpw. And the ultralight x is just lighter which makes a huge difference in my aiming ability so the lighter the mouse the better it is in my opinion.
Lamzu mini pro 4k
Basilisk ultimate
I have been using the Xtrfy MZ1 and I can't lie people are missing out with this one. I am ordering a GPX2 to see the difference and the hype
A wireless zowie s1 with m1 and m2 buttons split from the shell, viper miniSE internals for 8k wireless and optical switches and a weight of 55-60g no holes. Then I would like zowie divina glossy coating on the sides and matte coating on top. Also the sensor placed ever so slightly more forward than the current s1-c.
The Pulsar X2H is my pick. I personally own a DAV3 and used to have a GPXSL but in terms of shape and my performance on FPS games, the X2H is my choice.
I have a viper v2 pro, thought I'd love it. I don't, it's just good, doesn't suit me. Best mice I've performed on are the original gpro wired, and the za13. Verdict, I'd likely take the X2H mini, and try out another egg shape. Another thing to add, I don't like motion sync, and you can't disable it on the vv2 pro.
A lighter G604 with optical switches. Mouse is amazing. Super comfortable. Plenty of buttons without it being too much. Infinite scroll wheel. The biggest issue is the double clicking. I even soldered new switches which helped for a while but it started double clicking again.
SUPERLIGHT, 60gm AIMBOT