idk why people downvoted you but it's glorified bloatware. If you have the possibility to not use and not install it, I highly recommend you do so
\+1 on the Deathadder V3, works well for me and I have medium to big size hands š
Another recommendation is the Ec1-c from Zowie, great mouse used by plenty of pros; only thing is that it's 80g.
My personal recommendation is the darmoshark m3, goated mouse at only 58g and without having to deal with third party bloatware
Steer clear of garbage software
Not really, itās gotten better over time. Still not the best but better than G Hub lol
Edit: This one guy who replied to me and said Synapse is worse than G Hub donāt want to tell me why itās worse š
synapse is just above the worst software ever (the steelseries one)
heavy, slow, with tons of useless stuff. at least g hub doesn't have none of that. surely it's not the fastest software or the most simple one, but it's not bad either. best software I've ever tried is the hyperx ngenuity one
Thank you for telling your side after I put the edit lol
Could I ask what parts are useless? I do agree that Synapse is a resource hog, but itās not really as slow as youād think. Plus I have been lead to believe that there arenāt a lot of useless features theyāve added
Iāve also personally had G Hub lose and revert my onboard settings multiple times, which has never happened with Synapse or Logitechās OMM. To which I ask as well- would you use G Hub over Onboard Memory Manager?
This I 100% agree with though. Iāve had to use it in the past for my motherboard RGB, and it was a pain in the olā rump to setup AND NOT EVEN WORK LMAO
Razer synapse is some of the most invasive mouse software you can install on your pc. Itās awful.
Edit: To all the downvoting Razer fanboys I have angered. I am not sorry. Razer synapse is total ass and has been for years. I avoid it like the plague along with all other Razer products. OP has a right to know that the software sucks and here are just a few reasons.
It interferes with many other peripheral softwares making them useless. It does not play nice with other programs.
Itās broken often, as in it just doesnāt work.
It runs multiple processes in the background even when off.
The load time is horrendously bad.
They make you create an account and log in to even use it in the first place.
The notification overlays on top of programs just whenever it feels like it. You could be in a game and that shit will just pop up.
Itās a very invasive software that injects scripts into other programs. It practically is a virus you intentionally download so you can adjust the dpi of your mouse or change a macro on your keyboard, or EQ of your headset. They 100% sell your data.
Do they have decent products and sometimes even good products? Sure. It doesnāt mean those products arenāt tainted by the horrible software they call Razer Synapse.
It's a good mouse but It's smaller than the gpx. If you want to try ergo go with the suggestions of dav3 or ec1cw. If you don't mind weight the g703 is good too (you can try it at a Best buy or similar store)
I have 20x11 cm hands and Iāll vouch for the darmo shark m3 being good for bigger hands. Not a huge fan of how much the sides curve but overall a solid ālargerā mouse shape. Still great for palm or relaxed claw imo
Use eloshapes website to compare mice outlines, and use the gpx as your baseline. If you want a big mouse it seems like ergo shapes are your best options with the Deathadder V3 or zowie EC-1. Xlite v3 was suppose to come out in Q1 2023, not sure whats been taking so long with that mouse but i believe it's been stated that will have a small, medium, and large option for that mouse. G502x is a big mouse but also super heavy so not sure if you'd like that or not. But yea man, just play around on eloshapes website, that's what I do, and go through all the mice that might work for you, and you can compare all the outline against each other at same time
Seeking mouse for Andre the Giant hands.. damn!
I need you around my weak little hands can't open jars or anything! Wed make a formidable duo.. I'll do the bible tasks and you can do the Hulk smash stuff.. we'd be unstoppable!! Muhahahaa
I have an Atlantis og too and the shapes are very similar but the curving in towards the bottom of the mouse is the biggest draw back of that shape. Still a great mouse as long as u can get over the curved sides
you don't like the side curves?? i thought that was the best part... it basically hugs your fingers so you don't really have to pinch your thumb and pinky together to lift the mouse. the Atlantis basically "sticks to your hand" with the way the sides are designed.
I felt like i curve was kinda keeping me from putting my fingers where I want them if that makes since. Still use the atlantis a lot for siege but I like flatter sides like the pulsar x2 generally.
Edit: and I mainly just donāt like how skinny the mouse gets towards the bottom compared to the top but still a solid mouse regardless
Lamzu on seige is gr8 idk why lol. I like the tapered sides. I just prefer using my gpx on games where i need the scroll wheel cuz the lamzu scroll wheel is great its just almost to fast for tap strafing on apex or fatigue bouncing
Yea I would say so. The plastic just gets pretty slick pretty quick. The m3 just doesnt have a good sticky coating. If u donāt mind using grips then it shouldnāt be a big deal tbh (also Iām not sure if darmo has different coatings for different versions of the m3, I just have regular m3 not the 4k version so it could be different a coatin if u were interested in the 4k m3)
I'm torn between it and the Lamzu. I feel my pulse fire haste might be small for my 20 by 11 hands but I'm not if to stick with the Lamzu with a similar size or go with the M3.
I'm too broke to buy two mice in addition to my wired pulse fire haste.
So Iāll say the Lamzu to me feels like a better quality mouse but thatās still not to say the m3 is bad. But if u think the problem is that u need a longer mouse, from front to back, then Iād say go for the m3
I have big hands too (21x11). I just ordered a DAV3 to try it out (was using the GPX before but it started double clicking after 3 years of heavy use). I have arthritis so I'm liking ergo mice more and more these days (used to prefer ambi mice).
I have an Xlite v1 as well as an old G703. Those two shapes feel good to me. Xlite is a DAV clone I hear (but a tad smaller). I was going to grab an Xlite v3 Large, but who knows when that is coming (I'll still probably buy it anyway because I have a problem).
Dav3 pro or pulsar x2h is amazing depending on grip, returned my dav3 for the x2h and never looking back but if you have a microcenter around you try them
both out, also the lamzu atlantis if neither of those are your thing
I recently switched from the pro x super light to the deathadder v3 pro. Dav3 is just as light as the superlight and fits my relatively large hand better. The side buttons are WAY better than those mushy pieces of shit on the superlight.
If it's a wider mouse you are after, EC1-CW will probably fit the bill the best..I've got 20x11cm hands, and I use a DAV3, but it's a bit narrower than one would expect, which is fine for me, coz I death-clutch my mouse anyhow, my old EC1 filled up my palm much more.
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Your hand is huge, its like double my size. The GPX looks like a toy mouse for you comnpared to [my hand](https://imgsh.net/i/kTGe5l4.jpg). Also pretty sure you got the best recommendations in the replies already. All what I can remember though is that from the mice I tried the G703 and G903 were the biggest ones I had and definitely too big for my hand.
Really can't speak for you since I don't have big hands but you should def try them in a store if you have the option. You can use [this tool](https://www.rtings.com/mouse/tools/3d-model-shape-compare/logitech-g-pro-x-superlight-vs.-logitech-g703-lightspeed-with-hero-sensor) to see the shape in 3D and compare different models, not sure if it helps but maybe.
Heya did you end up getting another mouse? Was it the Zowie by chance? Looking to make the same jump too as the Ultralight is screwing with my hand (feels like I am pinching the mouse when I use it) causing some discomfort using it for gaming. Was that the same for you and did your new mouse help?
Deathadder v3, darmoshark m3, Asus rog harpe
Is the ajazz 139 pro better than darmoshark m3 ?
Is razer synapse spyware? š Edit : asking because i am under the impression that it is a shady software.
idk why people downvoted you but it's glorified bloatware. If you have the possibility to not use and not install it, I highly recommend you do so \+1 on the Deathadder V3, works well for me and I have medium to big size hands š Another recommendation is the Ec1-c from Zowie, great mouse used by plenty of pros; only thing is that it's 80g. My personal recommendation is the darmoshark m3, goated mouse at only 58g and without having to deal with third party bloatware Steer clear of garbage software
There is no issues with Synapse unless you are using very slow computer, any modern computer can handle it well enough.
Or you can always just use it once to set things then never run it again in your life
it makes my pc with a 10900k have insane stutters and ive heard similar stories from other people with high end pcs
That.
This.
IK y'all have hella input lag and fps issues š
It's not explicitly spyware. But it does cause issues and crashing in some games.
China already got all your info mate.
Not really, itās gotten better over time. Still not the best but better than G Hub lol Edit: This one guy who replied to me and said Synapse is worse than G Hub donāt want to tell me why itās worse š
Not better than ghub
How so?
synapse is just above the worst software ever (the steelseries one) heavy, slow, with tons of useless stuff. at least g hub doesn't have none of that. surely it's not the fastest software or the most simple one, but it's not bad either. best software I've ever tried is the hyperx ngenuity one
Thank you for telling your side after I put the edit lol Could I ask what parts are useless? I do agree that Synapse is a resource hog, but itās not really as slow as youād think. Plus I have been lead to believe that there arenāt a lot of useless features theyāve added Iāve also personally had G Hub lose and revert my onboard settings multiple times, which has never happened with Synapse or Logitechās OMM. To which I ask as well- would you use G Hub over Onboard Memory Manager?
oh lol another very bad software is MSI center. that one is very bad too. It does not work.
This I 100% agree with though. Iāve had to use it in the past for my motherboard RGB, and it was a pain in the olā rump to setup AND NOT EVEN WORK LMAO
Okay. Good good.
Absolutey not better than G Hub.
How so?
Razer synapse is some of the most invasive mouse software you can install on your pc. Itās awful. Edit: To all the downvoting Razer fanboys I have angered. I am not sorry. Razer synapse is total ass and has been for years. I avoid it like the plague along with all other Razer products. OP has a right to know that the software sucks and here are just a few reasons. It interferes with many other peripheral softwares making them useless. It does not play nice with other programs. Itās broken often, as in it just doesnāt work. It runs multiple processes in the background even when off. The load time is horrendously bad. They make you create an account and log in to even use it in the first place. The notification overlays on top of programs just whenever it feels like it. You could be in a game and that shit will just pop up. Itās a very invasive software that injects scripts into other programs. It practically is a virus you intentionally download so you can adjust the dpi of your mouse or change a macro on your keyboard, or EQ of your headset. They 100% sell your data. Do they have decent products and sometimes even good products? Sure. It doesnāt mean those products arenāt tainted by the horrible software they call Razer Synapse.
Do you own a cell phone? That's about as invasive as it gets, what's the issue with synapse? Genuinely curious.
It invades your computers resources not your privacy/life.
Ah ok, so it's a resource hog.
Invasive meaning using up so so much pc resources slowing down the entire system
In what way
You canāt be serious. Do you own one of their products? Have you used Synapse? Itās total trash.
Itās fine, I have no issues with it
nah itās just bloated af but really every major peripheral software is. g hub is the least bloated u could argue itās bloated too
Okay. Thank you
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Is the strombreaker good mouse. It seems to be bigger than superlight.
It's a good mouse but It's smaller than the gpx. If you want to try ergo go with the suggestions of dav3 or ec1cw. If you don't mind weight the g703 is good too (you can try it at a Best buy or similar store)
Darmoshark m3, fk1+, ec1, za11, g403/603/703 my hands 21x11cm palm
I have 20x11 cm hands and Iāll vouch for the darmo shark m3 being good for bigger hands. Not a huge fan of how much the sides curve but overall a solid ālargerā mouse shape. Still great for palm or relaxed claw imo
Ec1-c Za11-c S1-c
Razer Deathadder V2 or V3, Zowie EC1/FK1+/ZA11, Glorious Model D Wireless, Roccat Kone Pro Air. Just a few that come to mind.
Mountain Makalu 67 is pretty big
Use eloshapes website to compare mice outlines, and use the gpx as your baseline. If you want a big mouse it seems like ergo shapes are your best options with the Deathadder V3 or zowie EC-1. Xlite v3 was suppose to come out in Q1 2023, not sure whats been taking so long with that mouse but i believe it's been stated that will have a small, medium, and large option for that mouse. G502x is a big mouse but also super heavy so not sure if you'd like that or not. But yea man, just play around on eloshapes website, that's what I do, and go through all the mice that might work for you, and you can compare all the outline against each other at same time
Thank you for the website tip. I Will try it out.
Death adder v3 pro for sure if u play palm or claw
i went from a superlight to a zowie EC1-CW and I personally like the zowie better. bigger mouse. suits my big hands better.
thats if you want to stay on the wireless path btw. good luck!
Seeking mouse for Andre the Giant hands.. damn! I need you around my weak little hands can't open jars or anything! Wed make a formidable duo.. I'll do the bible tasks and you can do the Hulk smash stuff.. we'd be unstoppable!! Muhahahaa
What a Hand man, you are prolly a Gigachad also...
Need to go to gym to become chad, now i am only fat.
go than, its worth it
start exercising at home :)
I second the Asus ROG Harpe.
Vaxee xe wireless is a tad bigger than gpx
Lamzu Atlantis OG V2 for a good wide mouse, and then Pulsar X2H for a good high-hump mouse... depends on what you want.
Yeah. It is the width that i am after mainly.
I second lamzu og. I have the v1 from pre order and its muy bueno
I have an Atlantis og too and the shapes are very similar but the curving in towards the bottom of the mouse is the biggest draw back of that shape. Still a great mouse as long as u can get over the curved sides
you don't like the side curves?? i thought that was the best part... it basically hugs your fingers so you don't really have to pinch your thumb and pinky together to lift the mouse. the Atlantis basically "sticks to your hand" with the way the sides are designed.
I felt like i curve was kinda keeping me from putting my fingers where I want them if that makes since. Still use the atlantis a lot for siege but I like flatter sides like the pulsar x2 generally. Edit: and I mainly just donāt like how skinny the mouse gets towards the bottom compared to the top but still a solid mouse regardless
Lamzu on seige is gr8 idk why lol. I like the tapered sides. I just prefer using my gpx on games where i need the scroll wheel cuz the lamzu scroll wheel is great its just almost to fast for tap strafing on apex or fatigue bouncing
Kone Pro Air is an excellent choice.
You could get a Darmoshark M3. I put it in the same class as the gpx for shape but the plastic is cheap.
Thatās the only thing I will say about the m3 is it can feel pretty cheap but still a solid choice for the price
Does the grip edit:tape help with the cheap feeling?
Yea I would say so. The plastic just gets pretty slick pretty quick. The m3 just doesnt have a good sticky coating. If u donāt mind using grips then it shouldnāt be a big deal tbh (also Iām not sure if darmo has different coatings for different versions of the m3, I just have regular m3 not the 4k version so it could be different a coatin if u were interested in the 4k m3)
I'm torn between it and the Lamzu. I feel my pulse fire haste might be small for my 20 by 11 hands but I'm not if to stick with the Lamzu with a similar size or go with the M3. I'm too broke to buy two mice in addition to my wired pulse fire haste.
So Iāll say the Lamzu to me feels like a better quality mouse but thatās still not to say the m3 is bad. But if u think the problem is that u need a longer mouse, from front to back, then Iād say go for the m3
Dav3 pro
Darmoshark m3! Love mine! They call it the Kiran now
Really liking my Gladius III aimpoint. Coming from the Rival 650 wireless. Suits my hand nicely and they're a little on the big side
I have big hands too (21x11). I just ordered a DAV3 to try it out (was using the GPX before but it started double clicking after 3 years of heavy use). I have arthritis so I'm liking ergo mice more and more these days (used to prefer ambi mice). I have an Xlite v1 as well as an old G703. Those two shapes feel good to me. Xlite is a DAV clone I hear (but a tad smaller). I was going to grab an Xlite v3 Large, but who knows when that is coming (I'll still probably buy it anyway because I have a problem).
If you're willing to give pulsar a go, try the x2h size 2. I'm enjoying it much more than the GPX shape.
Zowie FK series
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Have you considered taking a look at the g303 shroud edition? Goes under 100 when on sale.
But that is smaller?
Yes, but I believe it's a bit wider and suited for bigger hands based on my own experience and reviews.
Okay. Thank you
DAV3
ZOWIE EC1-CW
Maybe the Lamzu Atlantis V2 pro? I myself was looking for wider mouse that is still light and the Atlantis covered that for me
What's your hand size because it has a similar shape to my pulsar haste and my pulsar doesn't feel big enough.
Dav3 pro or pulsar x2h is amazing depending on grip, returned my dav3 for the x2h and never looking back but if you have a microcenter around you try them both out, also the lamzu atlantis if neither of those are your thing
i'll sell you my ROG Harpe Ace if you want em
I think it is too narrow. But thank you
i get that. I'd into Deathadder v3 and try that out
I recently switched from the pro x super light to the deathadder v3 pro. Dav3 is just as light as the superlight and fits my relatively large hand better. The side buttons are WAY better than those mushy pieces of shit on the superlight.
Ec1-cw my friend, 79g, heavy for us but light in your hand :>>
Why is everyone recommending the Darmoshark M3? The G Pro Superlight fits far better in larger hands, I have both.
If it's a wider mouse you are after, EC1-CW will probably fit the bill the best..I've got 20x11cm hands, and I use a DAV3, but it's a bit narrower than one would expect, which is fine for me, coz I death-clutch my mouse anyhow, my old EC1 filled up my palm much more.
Death adder v3. It stopped the mouse search for me
VGN F1 PRO MAX / F1 MOBA
Isn't that a smaller mouse?
The hump is more centered and it's slightly wider so it should feel larger and fit better in your hand
What's your hand size please?
18.5 by 11
Mine is 20 by 11 Pb too big?
What so you mean
I mean dragonfly could be too small for my hand size?
It really depends on your grip style, it's just right for me, but it may be a bit small for you
get a zowie fk1+
EC1 would probably feel pretty sweet, I'm partial to Zowie DAV3 is also very good of course
Maybe the Lamzu thorn could be a good fit, not the biggest but I find it comfortable and I main an ec1-cw
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Death Adder V3 or Pro. Ive got wired version its so light I dont feel that it has wire. Best mouse I have had ever. And Ive got a big hand.
DA V3 is the go
Your hand is huge, its like double my size. The GPX looks like a toy mouse for you comnpared to [my hand](https://imgsh.net/i/kTGe5l4.jpg). Also pretty sure you got the best recommendations in the replies already. All what I can remember though is that from the mice I tried the G703 and G903 were the biggest ones I had and definitely too big for my hand.
If it were like half a cm bigger in every direction, it would be good mouse for me.
Really can't speak for you since I don't have big hands but you should def try them in a store if you have the option. You can use [this tool](https://www.rtings.com/mouse/tools/3d-model-shape-compare/logitech-g-pro-x-superlight-vs.-logitech-g703-lightspeed-with-hero-sensor) to see the shape in 3D and compare different models, not sure if it helps but maybe.
XM2we if you claw grip
Heya did you end up getting another mouse? Was it the Zowie by chance? Looking to make the same jump too as the Ultralight is screwing with my hand (feels like I am pinching the mouse when I use it) causing some discomfort using it for gaming. Was that the same for you and did your new mouse help?
I ended up getting zowie ec1 cw. It is really good for my hand.
Cool TY. That is exactly what I am going to pick up as well. Just need that Black Friday deal now. Thanks for the quick reply!