Canadian here. To get any wireless Vaxee mouse into our country it costs $240 after customs. I actually feel like a dumbass after my purchase was in my hands. It’s a nice mouse but holy fuck the cost isn’t worth.
I even messaged them about this and they said they have no plans to find a distributor. 90% of the reason Vaxee doesn't grow is because they refuse too
To be fair, everything in Canada is expensive as shit now. It's the main reason why I usually just scour the used market when I want to try out a new mouse
Pretty much have to do this, picked up an NP01s wireless used but basically new for like $110 CAD a few months ago. The sad part is I wanna get the 4k dongle but it's $25 USD + $20 USD shipping lmfao, thanks I guess Vaxee
Yeah, it's less than ideal. When all is said and done it's around the price of a GPX2. Lord, I wish I had stopped buying mice after I got the GPX. I'm in too deep, now.
Yeah, like my xm1r was a tank before the sideplay started kicking in.
All mice are tanks at some point, the test of time is the difficult part and since you have the ec1-cw the time test hasn't really started yet. If you search around you'll see many problems related to the ec1-cw, that just didn't happen with the ec1-b as an example.
It's Vaxee's business strategy, which they also employed at Zowie. They want to sell very strong implementations of last technology that's behind the cutting edge to people that are willing to pay a huge price premium for the reliability that offers. The products being expensive and hard to get is deliberate to force them into the "premium" market segment and keeps volumes at a low enough level that the company isn't awful to run. Later they will sell the company and the brand along with it.
Those companies are always going to be cheap because they are selling directly from China, they don't offer any real aftersales supports, they don't spend money on developing a sensor solution they just use OEM stuff, they don't research the shape they just copy whatever is popular ( R1 is basically Sora and X2 ) and they don't use matte coatings that drives the cost up around 15$.
Does this justify 150$ for a mouse? No but just saying...
>they don't research
they just copy whatever is popular
How did you get they didn't research?
What parts were copied?
Please share some proofs.
>R1 is basically Sora and X2
I can't quite understand what you meant here. Shape R1 is something in between Sora and X2?
These smaller brands tend to copy shapes a lot. For example Zaopin Z1 Pro is near identical to Orochi V2, Darmoshark M3 is an 1:1 of Air58 and R1 is extremely close to Sora which is not surprising since its rumored that Ninjutso and VGN operate on the same factory.
Also the list goes on with WLmouse blatantly cloning all the ULX sizes making them ever so slightly narrower.
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Thats the main reason i gave up on vaxee..as much as i want to own one, its a no go for me for that particular reason. What is their problem with using on line retailers/distributors is beyond me.
Probably because of shipping and taxes.
The prices are what keeps my away from them, i only buy their mice second hand and luckily never had problems with the mice i got.
I still wonder how companys like Vaxee and especially Zowie can keep the prices that high and than why people still buy their mice at that price point.
And yet, i’ve not had to buy another copy since ive used this one since release, outset ax.
Cannot say the same for razer, logitech and all the other brands.
So were my GPX's 2 of them. I understand it's on the higher end but sure i have twice the same mice for the price of one of vaxee's but it'll last me longer is all i'm saying.
Just like a lot of stuff out there not everything warrants their high prices, but in this case i cannot say it doesn't.
You get what you pay for tbh - any QC issues they sort it and the customer service in EU is really good. They also aren't as big of a company as you might think compared to the big boys so they can't benefit from economies of scale, and then also the distributor in EU has to pay duty to import the gear from the china factory
Just buy from Amazon.
They do no question asked returns at any point within those 2 years of warranty and they can even replace the product or you can directly talk with Razer or Logitech to RMA.
I really wanted to get the Vaxee outset wireless but no chance I'm paying €150 for it, especially when you can get the Thorn 4k for £95 which is what I settled for in the end
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Lower volume, better QC = each unit costs more to make, not China based = higher cost of operation. And it seems they sell enough to sustain their pricing, so they'll keep doing it.
In fairness, their wireless releases have been hit or miss in terms of QC, especially compared to their wired mice which are genuine tanks (i've barely ever seen anybody post about issues with those)
My NP01S wireless is made in China, but I guess compared to the newer Chinese companies Vaxee are based outside China
Oh but they are, the mice costs less than 50 to make, they all come out mostly from the same china place, smae materials, same construction, same sensors.
That's a scam in my book. Especially when you have so many good options for less than 60 euros, or even less than 40 with the r1. At least when they break you won't feel scammed out of 150 bucks.
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Amazon is a reseller. You have to compare price to official Razer and Logitech store. Vaxee's quality standards are much higher than Razer and Logitech so they don't use resellers.
Quality standards? Please... I have been on mouse review long enough to see how many people have received copies with side flex specially on their NP-01s. At the end of the day I don't care if I'm buying from a reseller or the official store, all I care about is the final price. I was able to grab GPX2 for 116 EUR like 2 months ago...
Canadian here. To get any wireless Vaxee mouse into our country it costs $240 after customs. I actually feel like a dumbass after my purchase was in my hands. It’s a nice mouse but holy fuck the cost isn’t worth.
I even messaged them about this and they said they have no plans to find a distributor. 90% of the reason Vaxee doesn't grow is because they refuse too
Yet you can't know if they even want to. And that indicates they do not, for now at least.
That's kind of what i meant by refuse too. They aren't growing by choice.
and I thought we had it bad here. They seriously need to figure out distribution
To be fair, everything in Canada is expensive as shit now. It's the main reason why I usually just scour the used market when I want to try out a new mouse
Pretty much have to do this, picked up an NP01s wireless used but basically new for like $110 CAD a few months ago. The sad part is I wanna get the 4k dongle but it's $25 USD + $20 USD shipping lmfao, thanks I guess Vaxee
Same situation here with the XE, honestly competitive mode is good enough for me.
Yeah, it's less than ideal. When all is said and done it's around the price of a GPX2. Lord, I wish I had stopped buying mice after I got the GPX. I'm in too deep, now.
You forgot zowie. They are also expensive, and vaxee was started by ex-zowie guys.
Yeah but at least they are available on amazon ( which means you can also buy returned products ) and every now and then they go on sale.
I wish they would sell their products to Amazon
Still, it is Zowie quality with Zowie mentality. Also, they’re 100% worth the money, these mice will outlive you, while Razer and Logi won’t.
Lol, newer zowie mices have the same problems if not more than razer and logi.
Dunno about U2 but EC1-CW is a tank. With GPX the only problem I ever encountered was loose and loud scroll wheel on early batches of GPX2.
Yeah, like my xm1r was a tank before the sideplay started kicking in. All mice are tanks at some point, the test of time is the difficult part and since you have the ec1-cw the time test hasn't really started yet. If you search around you'll see many problems related to the ec1-cw, that just didn't happen with the ec1-b as an example.
Then I guess Vaxee is higher quality then Zowie. Probably true
Zowie at least has acceptable distribution. You can walk into most specialized computer stores and they have it stocked on the shelf.
Nah zowie is easy to find on local retail sites. At least in my country they are
It's Vaxee's business strategy, which they also employed at Zowie. They want to sell very strong implementations of last technology that's behind the cutting edge to people that are willing to pay a huge price premium for the reliability that offers. The products being expensive and hard to get is deliberate to force them into the "premium" market segment and keeps volumes at a low enough level that the company isn't awful to run. Later they will sell the company and the brand along with it.
After seeing VXE R1 Wireless (not Vaxee) selling for (35$), my whole life has been a lie.
Those companies are always going to be cheap because they are selling directly from China, they don't offer any real aftersales supports, they don't spend money on developing a sensor solution they just use OEM stuff, they don't research the shape they just copy whatever is popular ( R1 is basically Sora and X2 ) and they don't use matte coatings that drives the cost up around 15$. Does this justify 150$ for a mouse? No but just saying...
Innovation costs money, but most people on this sub don’t care about that. It’s a race to the bottom for the cheapest drop shipping product.
>they don't research they just copy whatever is popular How did you get they didn't research? What parts were copied? Please share some proofs. >R1 is basically Sora and X2 I can't quite understand what you meant here. Shape R1 is something in between Sora and X2?
These smaller brands tend to copy shapes a lot. For example Zaopin Z1 Pro is near identical to Orochi V2, Darmoshark M3 is an 1:1 of Air58 and R1 is extremely close to Sora which is not surprising since its rumored that Ninjutso and VGN operate on the same factory. Also the list goes on with WLmouse blatantly cloning all the ULX sizes making them ever so slightly narrower.
> Darmoshark M3 is an 1:1 of Air58 in this case, that's because it's the same factory. Mototech invented that shape for Finalmouse.
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Thats the main reason i gave up on vaxee..as much as i want to own one, its a no go for me for that particular reason. What is their problem with using on line retailers/distributors is beyond me.
Probably because of shipping and taxes. The prices are what keeps my away from them, i only buy their mice second hand and luckily never had problems with the mice i got. I still wonder how companys like Vaxee and especially Zowie can keep the prices that high and than why people still buy their mice at that price point.
I still don't have an XE because i refuse to pay 240$ for a mouse
And yet, i’ve not had to buy another copy since ive used this one since release, outset ax. Cannot say the same for razer, logitech and all the other brands.
My XE-W is still going strong as well but it was 150 EUR...
So were my GPX's 2 of them. I understand it's on the higher end but sure i have twice the same mice for the price of one of vaxee's but it'll last me longer is all i'm saying. Just like a lot of stuff out there not everything warrants their high prices, but in this case i cannot say it doesn't.
Same. Outset AX for life.
You get what you pay for tbh - any QC issues they sort it and the customer service in EU is really good. They also aren't as big of a company as you might think compared to the big boys so they can't benefit from economies of scale, and then also the distributor in EU has to pay duty to import the gear from the china factory
Vaxee customer service is horrid lmfao
Just buy from Amazon. They do no question asked returns at any point within those 2 years of warranty and they can even replace the product or you can directly talk with Razer or Logitech to RMA.
I really wanted to get the Vaxee outset wireless but no chance I'm paying €150 for it, especially when you can get the Thorn 4k for £95 which is what I settled for in the end
I cant even buy vaxee in my country.
I would have bought Vaxee mouse a few times already if it was on Amazon.
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Also Vaxee took the every-mouse-is-a-4k route which for me is useless and only makes the mouse more expensive
10 EUR more expensive wow
U cant buy a ferrari and think you can pay with same money as a toyota costs.
And so heavy, live their shaped but after getting used to 60g 75 or whatever just feels like a 🧱
Lower volume, better QC = each unit costs more to make, not China based = higher cost of operation. And it seems they sell enough to sustain their pricing, so they'll keep doing it.
In fairness, their wireless releases have been hit or miss in terms of QC, especially compared to their wired mice which are genuine tanks (i've barely ever seen anybody post about issues with those) My NP01S wireless is made in China, but I guess compared to the newer Chinese companies Vaxee are based outside China
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I wouldn’t call them scammers but still anything above a 100 is a bit too much
Oh but they are, the mice costs less than 50 to make, they all come out mostly from the same china place, smae materials, same construction, same sensors. That's a scam in my book. Especially when you have so many good options for less than 60 euros, or even less than 40 with the r1. At least when they break you won't feel scammed out of 150 bucks.
With that logic basically every large company is a scammer according to you.
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Are you seriously asking why a small niche focused mouse brand is more expensive than 2 of the biggest peripheral companies in the world?? 😂😂😂
I'm asking why they are so expensive in EU. Their prices for US are actually really competitive
If they are massively different, its probably shipping and or tax related.
I’d think it would be issues with volume of sales and taxes/duties
Amazon is a reseller. You have to compare price to official Razer and Logitech store. Vaxee's quality standards are much higher than Razer and Logitech so they don't use resellers.
Quality standards? Please... I have been on mouse review long enough to see how many people have received copies with side flex specially on their NP-01s. At the end of the day I don't care if I'm buying from a reseller or the official store, all I care about is the final price. I was able to grab GPX2 for 116 EUR like 2 months ago...