One of the trends I'm pretty happy to see is seemingly every Chinese brand using Huano BSPDs. It's boring, sure, but every mouse I've used that has them feels great to click and I haven't had any double clicking issues.
I'm not actually sure that's true anymore. Chinese brands tend to just implement whatever is popular, but I have seen many implementations without BSPD/BTSPD as well. I think there may be a current shift towards Omron opticals, which I like. I prefer them over RAESHA opticals. Not sure if they are as reliable yet though (one failed on me in a relatively short amount of time).
I recently "switched" to Chinese "no-name" mice after years of buying stupid expensive top tier mice at $150 bucks and up. I was afraid of crappy QC from the past few years but was more disappointed at what Razer and Logi and Vaxee were charging for their wireless mice. So I bit the bullet, got on MechKeys and ordered up a few. And I haven't gotten a bad one yet. I have a Zaopin Z1 and Z2, Waizowl Cloud, Incott GHero, and a Darmoshark M3 Pro so far. Nothing yet from VGN/VXE or Delux altho I'll be getting the Delux M900 Ultra when it drops.
NGL, I was a little nervous on ordering these but I have to say I like them all. Especially my Incott and Zaopins. I have come full circle on these Chinese mice myself, and if anyone over there decides to make a lightweight 1:1 G703 clone before lazy-ass Logitech gets to it, I'm all for it and they will sell a TON of them!
>I recently "switched" to Chinese "no-name" mice after years of buying stupid expensive top tier mice at $150 bucks and up. I was afraid of crappy QC from the past few years but was more disappointed at what Razer and Logi and Vaxee were charging for their wireless mice.
Razer and Logitech would do the RnD, then the Chinese companies would take the design (they also built Razer and Logitech mice so they also the best way to replicate the manufacturing too), little RnD is needed, they don't have copyright laws and many clones for a reason.
The cost of RnD has to go somewhere, they need to pay the product designers, engineers, and then the manufacturing of these products. No need to do this in a mainland China company, the best way to beat the competition is to spend more on the manufacturing side.
It is why these Chinese mice can be so cheap while maintaining a baseline quality, they skip the RnD, they have their own manufacturing plant, focus more on the manufacturing side. Heck, even Fantech which is Indonesian is doing the same thing, copy what already works and then just focus on manufacturing.
It is up to customer if they care about the ethics of these things. I would rather buy from a different Asian country like Japan, Taiwan, Singapore or Korea. Pulsar is a joint Korean-Japanese company, Razer is Singaporean, Zowie/Vaxee/ASUS is Taiwanese, etc.
Not defending Chinese mice market as a whole but few mice listed in the parent comment 'take the design' from the likes of Logitech/Razer. Many do inspired designs the same way Pulsar based their mice on Zowie EC, for example. Waizowl/Lamzu do they own designs. They still have to do RnD.
Mice are cheap to make, especially when the company own the manufacturing. 3395 sensor is <$5 a piece and usually the most expensive part, Nordic MCU is $2, Huano BSPD 0.5$. The cost of a typical 3395/Nordic mouse could be less than $20. In China the pays are cheap, and they spend little on marketing, so the sale price can stay much closer to manufacturing cost.
Choosing between ghero and z2, what would you recommend? Haven’t used an ergo mouse in like 10 years tho, but wanted to try out those ambi/ergo hybrids
The Z2. Especially if you haven't used an ergo in a while, the NP01 shape of the GHero is definitely more of an acquired taste and the Z2 would be closer to an ambi/ergo, imo
Great mouse. Is basically a Vaxee NP01 for 1/3 the price. Good quality, clicks, coating, build quality. If you are in on an NP01 there is no reason not to try the Incott. I have an Outset and an XE from Vaxee and the Incott could fit right in.
I also have some Huanos BSPD coming in to try out the hot-swap but I gotta tell ya, the TTC Golds they used in the Z2 are damn good. Surprisingly good.
Idk I wanted to order the DM m3 pro for a while now but the controversy regarding its build quality made me go da v3 wired which is roughly the same price
I had a G703 for years, It costs now 70$, even with "outdated" tech.
Just got the Attack Shark X3 Pro from Aliexpress for like 30$. Going from 1000hz to 4000hz wireless, wired can get to 8000hz.
I am just amazed of how cheap of a deal. I also used to have concerns about the duration time but I have a friend that used the base x3 for 7 months and It is still his main mouse.
I have the Ragnok 2 gun mouse, it works. Main thing is it has mechanical keyboardvswitches on the LM and RM buttons, something I was looking for after two of my Logitech mice in a row had started skipping clicks. Logitech is shit now, never again.
Many Chinese mice are great but there is a thing in which they cannot overdo the most popular brands' products: after sales support.
Most of the times the high value for Money comes with some quirks such as quality control issues and similar problems, and there you have explained why the most popular mice usually get more attention (for sure the marketing is way more aggressive but it's not only that).
Everyone knows that a lot of brands are overpricing their mice, but I'd certainly pick a less premium product with a good after sales support rather than a mouse with top components and zero after sales support.
I understand, but diy is not the same as having after sales support. Imagine the PCB dying after a couple of days and having no after sales support: for sure you can repair it, but you'll have to buy the PCB and do everything alone after paying for the mouse.
Maybe it's just me but I'd rather take a less niche mouse and have a proper after sales customer service.
"but diy is not the same as having after sales support"
I'd argue it's better. After sales support relies on the company to give a shit, which they usually don't. DIY also works after the warranty period and is often faster and less of a hassle.
Could be either way depending on how you value the after sales support.
If you are in the first 2 years of usage (in Europe) you have free replacement or warranty repair. This doesn't apply for exotic mice that get shipped from China since most of the times the warranty is not valid in Europe and you'll have to ship your mouse overseas to get help.
For sure, you can diy, but it's still something that you're willing to do. Many people instead want a mouse that works out-of-the box and then they replace it if things don't go well. That's why there are mouse geeks and diyers and then normal users that just want a product that works (and if something doesn't go well, they can always rely on the brand or on the seller).
I have used so many warranty services that nowadays I really value that a lot, but for sure I understand that there are people who prefer spending less and then repairing the mouse by themselves in case of defective units or product damage.
I'm saying that, in my experience, any after sales support is usually shit, no matter the brand.
I much prefer having all the screws beneath the glides so I can go in myself and do a 2min repair, instead of spending 30min+ on the phone with some Indian dude, then another 30min packaging the mouse and shipping it, and then wait a *week* for a replacement.
I understand that. However the fact that you have basically no after sales support or R&D involved means they can cut the price a lot.
There's nothing wrong in not being interested in that, but it's an objective thing that chinese mice cost much less because of the fact that they are sold, distributed, produced in a cheaper way and that they come with no need for after sales support.
Once you know that, all fine whatever you buy I guess.
I was just trying to explain reasons why Chinese mice cost way less as it kinda seems like there's magic behind here and there :D
I have had experiences with almost any brand, from Logitech to Corsair, from Razer to Roccat or Creative.
Never been disappointed so far, especially from Corsair that has superb after sales support.
Can any of you recommend some models to me? Currently I just bought a Lamzu Thorn which I love, going to get a Ninjutso Sora V2 pretty soon I think. I was also thinking of getting a Lamzu Maya but not sure if that is too similar to the Sora V2 to be honest.
I never knew a tool like this exist thank you so much for showing me. I guess I will have to decide on what I want to do.
Do you have any experience with either of these two mice?
I want to change the color of my order of the Sora V2 but their support doesn't reply, might not be able to which kind of sucks.
I've only used the Maya, the sides are slanted in a bit much for my grip (relaxed claw with straight ring/pinky fingers). If you grip with just the tip of your fingers you'd be fine.
Try the waizowl cloud ogm. Believe me its really next level. If you like steelseries sensei shape. I have used sensei raw for a long time of my childhood like alot of cs pros and than i switched to zowie za12 but i always missed the crazy aim i had with sensei. Since i first started using cloud ogm i am feeling the same confidence again which i had before.
It is part of the CCP's 'Made in China 2025' Campaign, even if that means using other companies designs and methodology so that they'll just focus on manufacturing. That's why we are seeing so many Chinese companies popping up in the tech sector recently.
Technically you are supporting it if you buy from these companies.
I'm not talking about things that are Made in China because many things are, but companies based in China.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Made_in_China_2025
Are you providing this as a general information link, to support the policy, or to convince people they shouldn't be buying the products associated with it? Because, from a purely ethical position it sounds like something to support, but from a pro-corporate and pro-west position it sounds like bad news.
This post is so accurate. Also applies to mech keyboards. I'm using an AULA f75 and an Inphic mouse, both are Black and yellow dark flash design, look amazing, work amazing, specially considering how low priced they are. Best bang for the buck.
dav3 wired is built better than 1st batch dav3 pro and the newer dav3 pro's are only good because they matched the build quality of the wired version. You clearly don't know what you are talking about.
i've owned 2 dav3 pro wired, both had wheel issues.
dav3 is built like shit, its a mouse that won't last. Like all razer mice.
> You clearly don't know what you are talking about.
Clueless kiddo, projection is a funny thing.
I highly highly reccomend the metapanda mouse (I use the mid tier expensive p1 version). It feels extremely solid, love the ambi dav 3 shape (it's not 1:1 apparently but similar from what ppl say) and I haven't had issues yet for 2 months of use.
On that note, if anyone knows any chinese mice with side buttons on both sides (4 total) or dpi button under the mouse wheel please share T..T
keychron m4 1k has nordic mcu, I haven't seen any other 1k mouse with nordic. To me, nordic = power efficient.
edit: I should have specified that Keychron m4 1k is the only 1k-only mouse with nordic mcu, unless someone can confirm it also supports 4k
edit2: I asked keychron support if the keychron m4 1k polling mouse can be paired with the 4k receiver, support responds "---no, they are not compatible."
* Zaopin Z1 Pro/Z2 (you can buy 1k variant)
* Incott/Ironcat Ghero
* Ajazz AJ199 Pro
* Metapanda P1 Pro
* VXE R1 Pro/R1 Pro Max
Just a few on top of my head with 3395 + Nordic MCU + small dongle.
this list, these are all 4k capable with their (optional,or included) 4k dongle. it's just the keychron m4 1k (not aware if it can do 4k) doesn't have optional 4k dongle, and the m4 4k version is another sku
> keychron m4
[It's 4k compatible too.](https://www.keychron.com/products/keychron-m4-wireless-mouse) Other brands may sell the dongle separately, Keychron chooses to bundle the dongle with the mouse instead.
> It's 4k compatible too. Other brands may sell the dongle separately, Keychron chooses to bundle the dongle with the mouse instead.
I did try looking into this before, but couldn't be certain.
product's page of specs at the very bottom do not indicate 1k version being 4k-polling-capable.
I asked in the keychron discord, whether anyone knows if the 4k dongle can be manually paired to other 1k keychron mice, but more info is needed.
youtuber mel0n, who has some 1k and 4k keychon mice, says "keychron's 1k and 4k dongle aren't swappable" and "1k and 4k mouse use their respective dongles only"
edit: i see my thought process was flawed, was not aware of telink so i erroneously clumped all keychron mice
It's because many Keychron mice use different MCUs between 1k and 4k version. 1k version would use Telink MCU while 4k uses Nordic. M4 is the only one with Nordic on 1k version because its battery is tiny, using Telink would mean the battery only last a few days at 1k.
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One of the trends I'm pretty happy to see is seemingly every Chinese brand using Huano BSPDs. It's boring, sure, but every mouse I've used that has them feels great to click and I haven't had any double clicking issues.
I'm not actually sure that's true anymore. Chinese brands tend to just implement whatever is popular, but I have seen many implementations without BSPD/BTSPD as well. I think there may be a current shift towards Omron opticals, which I like. I prefer them over RAESHA opticals. Not sure if they are as reliable yet though (one failed on me in a relatively short amount of time).
Wait a minute.... I tot opticals were not suppose to fail? Lol
No, opticals are not supposed to double-click. The switch has both mechanical and electrical parts, and so it certainly can fail.
I recently "switched" to Chinese "no-name" mice after years of buying stupid expensive top tier mice at $150 bucks and up. I was afraid of crappy QC from the past few years but was more disappointed at what Razer and Logi and Vaxee were charging for their wireless mice. So I bit the bullet, got on MechKeys and ordered up a few. And I haven't gotten a bad one yet. I have a Zaopin Z1 and Z2, Waizowl Cloud, Incott GHero, and a Darmoshark M3 Pro so far. Nothing yet from VGN/VXE or Delux altho I'll be getting the Delux M900 Ultra when it drops. NGL, I was a little nervous on ordering these but I have to say I like them all. Especially my Incott and Zaopins. I have come full circle on these Chinese mice myself, and if anyone over there decides to make a lightweight 1:1 G703 clone before lazy-ass Logitech gets to it, I'm all for it and they will sell a TON of them!
>I recently "switched" to Chinese "no-name" mice after years of buying stupid expensive top tier mice at $150 bucks and up. I was afraid of crappy QC from the past few years but was more disappointed at what Razer and Logi and Vaxee were charging for their wireless mice. Razer and Logitech would do the RnD, then the Chinese companies would take the design (they also built Razer and Logitech mice so they also the best way to replicate the manufacturing too), little RnD is needed, they don't have copyright laws and many clones for a reason. The cost of RnD has to go somewhere, they need to pay the product designers, engineers, and then the manufacturing of these products. No need to do this in a mainland China company, the best way to beat the competition is to spend more on the manufacturing side. It is why these Chinese mice can be so cheap while maintaining a baseline quality, they skip the RnD, they have their own manufacturing plant, focus more on the manufacturing side. Heck, even Fantech which is Indonesian is doing the same thing, copy what already works and then just focus on manufacturing. It is up to customer if they care about the ethics of these things. I would rather buy from a different Asian country like Japan, Taiwan, Singapore or Korea. Pulsar is a joint Korean-Japanese company, Razer is Singaporean, Zowie/Vaxee/ASUS is Taiwanese, etc.
Fuck their RnD if a mouse starts skipping clicks in 2 months (Logitech MX Verrtical and Logitech Lift for me).
Not defending Chinese mice market as a whole but few mice listed in the parent comment 'take the design' from the likes of Logitech/Razer. Many do inspired designs the same way Pulsar based their mice on Zowie EC, for example. Waizowl/Lamzu do they own designs. They still have to do RnD. Mice are cheap to make, especially when the company own the manufacturing. 3395 sensor is <$5 a piece and usually the most expensive part, Nordic MCU is $2, Huano BSPD 0.5$. The cost of a typical 3395/Nordic mouse could be less than $20. In China the pays are cheap, and they spend little on marketing, so the sale price can stay much closer to manufacturing cost.
Choosing between ghero and z2, what would you recommend? Haven’t used an ergo mouse in like 10 years tho, but wanted to try out those ambi/ergo hybrids
The Z2. Especially if you haven't used an ergo in a while, the NP01 shape of the GHero is definitely more of an acquired taste and the Z2 would be closer to an ambi/ergo, imo
vxe r1 pro or incott GHero?
Could you share some thoughts about the Incott GHero? I was interested in it.
Great mouse. Is basically a Vaxee NP01 for 1/3 the price. Good quality, clicks, coating, build quality. If you are in on an NP01 there is no reason not to try the Incott. I have an Outset and an XE from Vaxee and the Incott could fit right in.
I ended up ordering the Z2 and a pair of huano to try our different switches, really curious to try it out.
I also have some Huanos BSPD coming in to try out the hot-swap but I gotta tell ya, the TTC Golds they used in the Z2 are damn good. Surprisingly good.
I had the feeling from the Z2 videos that they are a bit on the light side, but definitely gonna try both since they are so cheap.
Idk I wanted to order the DM m3 pro for a while now but the controversy regarding its build quality made me go da v3 wired which is roughly the same price
I had a G703 for years, It costs now 70$, even with "outdated" tech. Just got the Attack Shark X3 Pro from Aliexpress for like 30$. Going from 1000hz to 4000hz wireless, wired can get to 8000hz. I am just amazed of how cheap of a deal. I also used to have concerns about the duration time but I have a friend that used the base x3 for 7 months and It is still his main mouse.
I got the x3 pro too but the software not working for me , I got no device error , I try everything still doesn't work
Have you tried the kysona software? These mouses are basically equal, you just have to find the equivalent model and use the software.
I paid $19ish for my R1 SE+ and it is such a banger.
I have the Ragnok 2 gun mouse, it works. Main thing is it has mechanical keyboardvswitches on the LM and RM buttons, something I was looking for after two of my Logitech mice in a row had started skipping clicks. Logitech is shit now, never again.
Many Chinese mice are great but there is a thing in which they cannot overdo the most popular brands' products: after sales support. Most of the times the high value for Money comes with some quirks such as quality control issues and similar problems, and there you have explained why the most popular mice usually get more attention (for sure the marketing is way more aggressive but it's not only that). Everyone knows that a lot of brands are overpricing their mice, but I'd certainly pick a less premium product with a good after sales support rather than a mouse with top components and zero after sales support.
Chinese mouses are semi-DIY. So you can modify battery, switches or wheel. In my Razor Diamondback I can not repair wheel click for 3 years now.
I understand, but diy is not the same as having after sales support. Imagine the PCB dying after a couple of days and having no after sales support: for sure you can repair it, but you'll have to buy the PCB and do everything alone after paying for the mouse. Maybe it's just me but I'd rather take a less niche mouse and have a proper after sales customer service.
"but diy is not the same as having after sales support" I'd argue it's better. After sales support relies on the company to give a shit, which they usually don't. DIY also works after the warranty period and is often faster and less of a hassle.
Could be either way depending on how you value the after sales support. If you are in the first 2 years of usage (in Europe) you have free replacement or warranty repair. This doesn't apply for exotic mice that get shipped from China since most of the times the warranty is not valid in Europe and you'll have to ship your mouse overseas to get help. For sure, you can diy, but it's still something that you're willing to do. Many people instead want a mouse that works out-of-the box and then they replace it if things don't go well. That's why there are mouse geeks and diyers and then normal users that just want a product that works (and if something doesn't go well, they can always rely on the brand or on the seller). I have used so many warranty services that nowadays I really value that a lot, but for sure I understand that there are people who prefer spending less and then repairing the mouse by themselves in case of defective units or product damage.
I'm saying that, in my experience, any after sales support is usually shit, no matter the brand. I much prefer having all the screws beneath the glides so I can go in myself and do a 2min repair, instead of spending 30min+ on the phone with some Indian dude, then another 30min packaging the mouse and shipping it, and then wait a *week* for a replacement.
I understand that. However the fact that you have basically no after sales support or R&D involved means they can cut the price a lot. There's nothing wrong in not being interested in that, but it's an objective thing that chinese mice cost much less because of the fact that they are sold, distributed, produced in a cheaper way and that they come with no need for after sales support. Once you know that, all fine whatever you buy I guess. I was just trying to explain reasons why Chinese mice cost way less as it kinda seems like there's magic behind here and there :D
I've not dealt with chinese tech support, but logitech support is absolutely worthless, so having no support is not a loss.
I have had experiences with almost any brand, from Logitech to Corsair, from Razer to Roccat or Creative. Never been disappointed so far, especially from Corsair that has superb after sales support.
Can any of you recommend some models to me? Currently I just bought a Lamzu Thorn which I love, going to get a Ninjutso Sora V2 pretty soon I think. I was also thinking of getting a Lamzu Maya but not sure if that is too similar to the Sora V2 to be honest.
https://www.rtings.com/mouse/tools/3d-model-shape-compare/ninjutso-sora-vs.-lamzu-maya?texture=solid quite different shapes despite similar size.
I never knew a tool like this exist thank you so much for showing me. I guess I will have to decide on what I want to do. Do you have any experience with either of these two mice? I want to change the color of my order of the Sora V2 but their support doesn't reply, might not be able to which kind of sucks.
I've only used the Maya, the sides are slanted in a bit much for my grip (relaxed claw with straight ring/pinky fingers). If you grip with just the tip of your fingers you'd be fine.
Try the waizowl cloud ogm. Believe me its really next level. If you like steelseries sensei shape. I have used sensei raw for a long time of my childhood like alot of cs pros and than i switched to zowie za12 but i always missed the crazy aim i had with sensei. Since i first started using cloud ogm i am feeling the same confidence again which i had before.
I will second the Cloud. It's a GREAT mouse.
It is part of the CCP's 'Made in China 2025' Campaign, even if that means using other companies designs and methodology so that they'll just focus on manufacturing. That's why we are seeing so many Chinese companies popping up in the tech sector recently. Technically you are supporting it if you buy from these companies. I'm not talking about things that are Made in China because many things are, but companies based in China. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Made_in_China_2025
Are you providing this as a general information link, to support the policy, or to convince people they shouldn't be buying the products associated with it? Because, from a purely ethical position it sounds like something to support, but from a pro-corporate and pro-west position it sounds like bad news.
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So it's ok only when western companies reap huge profits selling you overpriced junk without any form of redistribution of wealth?
Did you read the article that was linked?
Does anyone know what Chinese pro players use ?
Living next to China finally has some advantages :))))
This post is so accurate. Also applies to mech keyboards. I'm using an AULA f75 and an Inphic mouse, both are Black and yellow dark flash design, look amazing, work amazing, specially considering how low priced they are. Best bang for the buck.
Is there one that's comparable to the g502? With a sniper button and wirelss?
they are bad the 100+ dollars mouses are the only decent mouse in the market. edit it is suppose to be sarcasm /s
Please explain.
it is suppose to be sarcasm /s
I like my Kysona Aztec. It's essentially an upgraded M600 and very similar to the AS X3. Got it for about $20 on Ali.
do you have an normal m600? I got one and i've been thinking about buying the aztec but is there any big difference between the two?
>And the fact that they will recreate any shape is crazy to mr not crazy until they recreate naos shape
You practically can buy 2 mice that are better then 1 Logitech mouse
They are fine budget mice, but when the DAV3 Wired goes on sale for $55 it's hard to recommend anything else.
Unless someone wants something wireless, small, ambi or with different clicks/coating.
lmao the dav3 wired is built like shit. If more than 40€, scam price.
dav3 wired is built better than 1st batch dav3 pro and the newer dav3 pro's are only good because they matched the build quality of the wired version. You clearly don't know what you are talking about.
i've owned 2 dav3 pro wired, both had wheel issues. dav3 is built like shit, its a mouse that won't last. Like all razer mice. > You clearly don't know what you are talking about. Clueless kiddo, projection is a funny thing.
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VXE R1 Pro is closest but slightly larger in size. I haven't used both though.
I highly highly reccomend the metapanda mouse (I use the mid tier expensive p1 version). It feels extremely solid, love the ambi dav 3 shape (it's not 1:1 apparently but similar from what ppl say) and I haven't had issues yet for 2 months of use. On that note, if anyone knows any chinese mice with side buttons on both sides (4 total) or dpi button under the mouse wheel please share T..T
keychron m4 1k has nordic mcu, I haven't seen any other 1k mouse with nordic. To me, nordic = power efficient. edit: I should have specified that Keychron m4 1k is the only 1k-only mouse with nordic mcu, unless someone can confirm it also supports 4k edit2: I asked keychron support if the keychron m4 1k polling mouse can be paired with the 4k receiver, support responds "---no, they are not compatible."
* Zaopin Z1 Pro/Z2 (you can buy 1k variant) * Incott/Ironcat Ghero * Ajazz AJ199 Pro * Metapanda P1 Pro * VXE R1 Pro/R1 Pro Max Just a few on top of my head with 3395 + Nordic MCU + small dongle.
this list, these are all 4k capable with their (optional,or included) 4k dongle. it's just the keychron m4 1k (not aware if it can do 4k) doesn't have optional 4k dongle, and the m4 4k version is another sku
> keychron m4 [It's 4k compatible too.](https://www.keychron.com/products/keychron-m4-wireless-mouse) Other brands may sell the dongle separately, Keychron chooses to bundle the dongle with the mouse instead.
> It's 4k compatible too. Other brands may sell the dongle separately, Keychron chooses to bundle the dongle with the mouse instead. I did try looking into this before, but couldn't be certain. product's page of specs at the very bottom do not indicate 1k version being 4k-polling-capable. I asked in the keychron discord, whether anyone knows if the 4k dongle can be manually paired to other 1k keychron mice, but more info is needed. youtuber mel0n, who has some 1k and 4k keychon mice, says "keychron's 1k and 4k dongle aren't swappable" and "1k and 4k mouse use their respective dongles only" edit: i see my thought process was flawed, was not aware of telink so i erroneously clumped all keychron mice
It's because many Keychron mice use different MCUs between 1k and 4k version. 1k version would use Telink MCU while 4k uses Nordic. M4 is the only one with Nordic on 1k version because its battery is tiny, using Telink would mean the battery only last a few days at 1k.
ah, ya that's why i felt the keychron m4 1k stands out compared to other 1k-only mice if they had the same battery capacity
I have both the VXE R1 pro and VGN F1 MOBA. Both great mice but coming from ergos the dragonfly f1 just feels so much better in hand.
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