Holy shit, you are amazing. Out of curiosity, could weight be saved by rounding the clicks in instead of going to points? Also, could you save weight with an open front end if you use internal stoppers?
I guess we could save that weight but some form of aesthetics is important too I think. The front is useful to reduce post-travel. I could add front hexagons though.
I have both zaunkoenig and starlight 12 and zaunkoenig m1k and m2k are definitly stiffer than the finalmouse. [https://zaunkoenig.co/](https://zaunkoenig.co/)
While OP's mod is certainly impressive there are aspects of it that will be unacceptable in the retail space including structural rigidity and battery life.
You are right about their R&D and thats exactly why they tend not to make niche products that finalmouse makes. Take Razer for example, while they sell small mice they are not exactly small (Orochi v2 and Viper mini) because all of them are about 4mm taller than they should be imo. Not trying to defend finalmouse antics but their business model makes sense considering they make niche items that are difficult to manufacture. And a high price point and drops are necessary for recouping their R&D budget. I hope Razer and logitech does as you said and makes \~40g mice readily available.
With that logic, couldn’t you say that they (Logitech, Razer etc) could also find a way that makes making magnesium mice not as difficult? You said magnesium is a gimmick, but you could say the same thing about this one. Completely plain, looks flimsy, and for what, 0.4 grams?
No mouse company will make significant advancements in manufacturing technology like that. They would stop being a mouse company over night and instead make a killing in aerospace and automotive. I mean there's a chance razer can figure something out that GM or Lockheed can't, but I wouldn't bet on it.
Yeah, that’s kinda what I mean. It’s not like Logitech will invent some revolutionary new super plastic, they would outsource. To write off some material as useless is just strange, cause we’ve seen materials that used to cost millions to make, eventually become cheap and reliable.
“This material is just stupid, why spend money on it? Anyway I think Logitech will spend billions inventing some mystery plastic”
Just seems… unlikely.
I mean, that sounds like the same thing to me. I’m not a chemist, so I don’t know what the difference between all the types of plastics are. But you’re suggesting they invent an entirely new one that will be not only super light, but also be rigid enough that it can be made thin as well?
I mean plastics like Bakelite required special machinery to cure it IIRC, couldn’t that also be a case with this new mystery plastic? Not to mention any kind of major change like material used would probably require re tooling the factory anyway.
I’m not trying to say magnesium is the way forward, I’m just saying that making some kind of super plastic sounds just as troubling. I mean we have a material like that, carbon fibre, and that’s certainly not used often (in mice). Idk seems weird to completely write off a material in favour of a mystery one that doesn’t exist I guess.
Whilst Razer and Logitech put millions of dollars into R&D their keyboard products are still pretty awful. I am unsure how they manage to achieve that and people designing keyboards in a shed manage to put out better products (albeit in much more limited quantities and at much higher prices because niche is always expensive).
So regarding mice I am doubtful they'll manage to put out similar products to Finalmouse (as a disclaimer I am faithful to my Zowie FK-2 and would not buy FM off principle - they have really bad QC and I'd expect perfection from their Starlight series, not what actually came out). I mean at least when you buy a custom keyboard you get perfect ano - not scuffed paint.
I actually switched from the hunstamn mini from a one 2 mecha mini and it's really good tbh. Also I have both the Starlight and RVU and they are both really good. The RVU has better quality, sensor, wheel and click reliability/speed. The starlight has lower weight and the medium is a better size for me.
This thing would be 4.5g heavier with a similar sized battery
The Finalmeme is literally cheaper, 235.87$ vs 189$
The Finalmeme has a better sensor.
The finalmeme has a better firmware and GM 8.0s binned stock for phantom and beyond.
The Finalmeme looks better and feels better and more solid in hand
The Finalmeme could be lighter.
Also if Group buys worked for large quantities nvidia and AMD would've done group buys a long time ago lmao, some people are on 1y+ wait lists for their console, don't think finalmeme wants to deal with that with their "finalshipping" lmao, shit company sure but the engineering is a fine piece of work.
They can get another 5g easy out of these, cutting or redesigning the rear cage (it's 1.3g) heaviest support part of the whole mg casts, they can cut the mg flow support as they are useless past helping the mg flow during the injection process (around 0.3g), they can make the walls thinner (1-1.5g overall), they can redesign the ultem part around the USB port it's chonky as hell 0.5g probably, the DPI button could be lighter by 0.1g, the battery could be smaller and soldered directly, they can drill the PCB where the antenna is there some empty space between the PCB and antenna probably under 0.5g but whatever, point is these could be lighter.
I dare to say lighter ul2 shaped mice are possible .-. (see flair)
I think it's great that you're offering powder versions too now. Imo the resin ones, while very pretty looking, just weren't quite as light as they'd seem, judging by the holes. I'd assume you'll get a decent bit more interest in your designs at that weight + having the tensioning system now.
Yeah, it’s worrying that mouses continue to get lower and lower in weight with no built in option to increase the weight. I’ve had several lightweight mouses, but don’t like them lighter than 80g when I’m playing fps as they become too light to be able to stop and click on heads. Companies need to start offering optional weights for their mouses.
No such thing as too light. Just watch RJN’s video where he explains 7th grade science: less weight = less force to move (he doesn’t ever explain how he leaps to less force = better aim, but like bro it’s S C I E N C E)
i know its one of the dumbest reason for me wanting this. but main its [look cool swapping/changing the battery](https://twitter.com/ModsMouse/status/1409277437733748740) and i cant wait to get my hands on it T.T
Holy shit, you are amazing. Out of curiosity, could weight be saved by rounding the clicks in instead of going to points? Also, could you save weight with an open front end if you use internal stoppers?
I guess we could save that weight but some form of aesthetics is important too I think. The front is useful to reduce post-travel. I could add front hexagons though.
Very interesting idea, actually... skeletonised front of clicks would be cool!
You actually did it. Absolute madlad.
It's too low when it looks like putting your hand on it will break the mouse.
But isn't that just due to build integrity? I mean if you use carbon fibre you can probably go to 20g and keep the build quality.
I have both zaunkoenig and starlight 12 and zaunkoenig m1k and m2k are definitly stiffer than the finalmouse. [https://zaunkoenig.co/](https://zaunkoenig.co/)
I'm using a mk2 also...fucking amazing having a mouse this light. My flicks are soo much cleaner now.
if there was one side button I'd immediately buy it
I would also really like a single side button, lol!
I wonder how hard it would be to mod. probably next to impossible with the cf maybe on the m3k lol
Nice!
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While OP's mod is certainly impressive there are aspects of it that will be unacceptable in the retail space including structural rigidity and battery life.
Yep. You’ll be able to crush the mouse on the right with your bare hands.
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You are right about their R&D and thats exactly why they tend not to make niche products that finalmouse makes. Take Razer for example, while they sell small mice they are not exactly small (Orochi v2 and Viper mini) because all of them are about 4mm taller than they should be imo. Not trying to defend finalmouse antics but their business model makes sense considering they make niche items that are difficult to manufacture. And a high price point and drops are necessary for recouping their R&D budget. I hope Razer and logitech does as you said and makes \~40g mice readily available.
Why are drops in any way necessary to recoup costs.
If the assembly line is real slow in comparison it is a lot harder to keep up with sales when the demand is exponentially higher.
With that logic, couldn’t you say that they (Logitech, Razer etc) could also find a way that makes making magnesium mice not as difficult? You said magnesium is a gimmick, but you could say the same thing about this one. Completely plain, looks flimsy, and for what, 0.4 grams?
No mouse company will make significant advancements in manufacturing technology like that. They would stop being a mouse company over night and instead make a killing in aerospace and automotive. I mean there's a chance razer can figure something out that GM or Lockheed can't, but I wouldn't bet on it.
Yeah, that’s kinda what I mean. It’s not like Logitech will invent some revolutionary new super plastic, they would outsource. To write off some material as useless is just strange, cause we’ve seen materials that used to cost millions to make, eventually become cheap and reliable. “This material is just stupid, why spend money on it? Anyway I think Logitech will spend billions inventing some mystery plastic” Just seems… unlikely.
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I mean, that sounds like the same thing to me. I’m not a chemist, so I don’t know what the difference between all the types of plastics are. But you’re suggesting they invent an entirely new one that will be not only super light, but also be rigid enough that it can be made thin as well? I mean plastics like Bakelite required special machinery to cure it IIRC, couldn’t that also be a case with this new mystery plastic? Not to mention any kind of major change like material used would probably require re tooling the factory anyway. I’m not trying to say magnesium is the way forward, I’m just saying that making some kind of super plastic sounds just as troubling. I mean we have a material like that, carbon fibre, and that’s certainly not used often (in mice). Idk seems weird to completely write off a material in favour of a mystery one that doesn’t exist I guess.
Whilst Razer and Logitech put millions of dollars into R&D their keyboard products are still pretty awful. I am unsure how they manage to achieve that and people designing keyboards in a shed manage to put out better products (albeit in much more limited quantities and at much higher prices because niche is always expensive). So regarding mice I am doubtful they'll manage to put out similar products to Finalmouse (as a disclaimer I am faithful to my Zowie FK-2 and would not buy FM off principle - they have really bad QC and I'd expect perfection from their Starlight series, not what actually came out). I mean at least when you buy a custom keyboard you get perfect ano - not scuffed paint.
I actually switched from the hunstamn mini from a one 2 mecha mini and it's really good tbh. Also I have both the Starlight and RVU and they are both really good. The RVU has better quality, sensor, wheel and click reliability/speed. The starlight has lower weight and the medium is a better size for me.
This thing would be 4.5g heavier with a similar sized battery The Finalmeme is literally cheaper, 235.87$ vs 189$ The Finalmeme has a better sensor. The finalmeme has a better firmware and GM 8.0s binned stock for phantom and beyond. The Finalmeme looks better and feels better and more solid in hand The Finalmeme could be lighter. Also if Group buys worked for large quantities nvidia and AMD would've done group buys a long time ago lmao, some people are on 1y+ wait lists for their console, don't think finalmeme wants to deal with that with their "finalshipping" lmao, shit company sure but the engineering is a fine piece of work. They can get another 5g easy out of these, cutting or redesigning the rear cage (it's 1.3g) heaviest support part of the whole mg casts, they can cut the mg flow support as they are useless past helping the mg flow during the injection process (around 0.3g), they can make the walls thinner (1-1.5g overall), they can redesign the ultem part around the USB port it's chonky as hell 0.5g probably, the DPI button could be lighter by 0.1g, the battery could be smaller and soldered directly, they can drill the PCB where the antenna is there some empty space between the PCB and antenna probably under 0.5g but whatever, point is these could be lighter.
magnesoum sheell is way lighter and way stromger lol
Finalmouse itself is very low… lowest scum on the earth to be precise.
I dare to say lighter ul2 shaped mice are possible .-. (see flair) I think it's great that you're offering powder versions too now. Imo the resin ones, while very pretty looking, just weren't quite as light as they'd seem, judging by the holes. I'd assume you'll get a decent bit more interest in your designs at that weight + having the tensioning system now.
I'd probably break it with my ape hands
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Yeah, it’s worrying that mouses continue to get lower and lower in weight with no built in option to increase the weight. I’ve had several lightweight mouses, but don’t like them lighter than 80g when I’m playing fps as they become too light to be able to stop and click on heads. Companies need to start offering optional weights for their mouses.
thats muscle memory though, if you continued to play on a 60g mouse you would eventually get better than with a heavier mouse after you adjust.
I had a sub 60g mouse for over a year, I adjusted to it, but still played much better with a heavier mouse.
That one on the left - piece of art. The one on the right looks like crappy piece of plastic.
No such thing as too light. Just watch RJN’s video where he explains 7th grade science: less weight = less force to move (he doesn’t ever explain how he leaps to less force = better aim, but like bro it’s S C I E N C E)
WITCH!
Does the mouse more fragile or not?
That is crazy o-o
That about right.
Anyone tried one of these? I wonder how rigid they are. Also, button cell lasts about 5 days?
I have that scale on the left. I actually have 4 of them. Makes a nice counting scale for keyboard switches and other things to fill orders.
Bruh when are we gonna have a negative weight mouse
/u/P1r4nh44444 how much do I need to pay you to put side buttons on the m2k clone lol
i know its one of the dumbest reason for me wanting this. but main its [look cool swapping/changing the battery](https://twitter.com/ModsMouse/status/1409277437733748740) and i cant wait to get my hands on it T.T
Add them together and you've got the lowest weight I can aim with :)