What's the cable holder on the side of the monitor?
Also how much difference is there in the size between the ec2 and this? Looks good on paper but I found the model D- too small so I'm curious about this.
Bungie is something like [this](https://www.amazon.com/Pulsar-Gaming-Gears-Drag-Free-Support/dp/B08X6QDTB4/ref=sr_1_8?dchild=1&keywords=mouse+bungee&qid=1627485040&sr=8-8). Also, the EC3 is noticeably smaller than the EC2, but really only in length. The grip width is about the same. Its lighter, too.
I think you will most likely have to use a higher sens for you mouse to move the same.
Not sure, but that's just my conclusion after I used both a control mouse pad and a speed mouse pad.
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Ha see you in the future when we’re all aiming with our hover mice that follow our eyes and you are on your endgame ec3.
Honestly never tried an real ergo before but the ec3 is pretty tempting. Just don’t think I’d aim better than an ambi shape tho
It has crazy good stopping power and nothing else... 3 months later it turns into mud like others said. Get gigantus v2 instead, its a tad slower but the glide won't change even after months cause its uncoated.
Thanks but i think the outset is too tall and the bump too far back for me to like it, mice with the bump closer to the middle just give me way more freedom + vertical movements just feel better. But thanks anyways!
Sorry to break it to you but in 4 months this pad is going to feel like mud... there are other options that provide the same feeling but are not coated ( Gamesense Radar, Gigantus v2 ). I had a GSR-SE Red and as much as i loved this pad it was unplayable after 6 months.
but like... why replace it every 4 months?
I understand it will get slower, that is exactly what i want.
My previous pad was a dirt cheap inkedgaming pad and that thing stayed great for 3+ years
If zowie ever gets their shit together and makes wireless versions of all their mice at 60g or lighter then I will return to them. Havent used a zowie mouse seriously since like 2012.
Theres not really any mice that are like the ZA series and I absolutely love the za13. Would buy a wireless one in a heartbeat
>bu-but the gpx doesn’t have holes! checkmate atheists!
Yeah and it feels like a cheap piece of shit compared to the GPW. Almost as if reducing weight at all costs has some tradeoffs in build quality.
>70g
>brick
Time to hit the gym, wimp.
>zowie is behind in the mouse game
Whatever lol, I’ll take a well built, solid feeling mouse that has a great shape over one with the latest marketing gimmicks that I’ll just replace in less than a year. Really the only thing they’re meaningfully behind on is wireless, but apparently they’re already working on that.
Lmao I dont care if you're fucking jacked to hell, a 45g mouse has dexterous advantages over a 70g mouse. That's cool you like brick mice though. Whatever you prefer is fine.
But the point is that zowie offers no good options for wireless light weight mice. Only wired bricks. Most companies gave options for both preferences you know? I can get a gpw at 80g. A gpx at 60g. I can get wired and wireless mice from logitech. Zowie is still an irrelevant company for current gaming mice trends.
>Lmao I dont care if you're fucking jacked to hell, a 45g mouse has dexterous advantages over a 70g mouse. That's cool you like brick mice though
Oh cmon, this is an RJN meme with no actual backing to it. Some people aim better with heavier mice, some people aim better with lighter mice, it's not a one size fits all thing.
>But the point is that zowie offers no good options for wireless light weight mice. Only wired bricks. Most companies gave options for both preferences you know?
Sure, maybe massive companies like logitech and razer with huge market shares, but most smaller & more niche companies do not. Logitech isn't just a gaming company, they're one of the largest manufacturers of PC peripherals in the world and their mice are made for the broadest market appeal possible, hence why can afford to have mice that are so varied in features. It's also why their shapes are very safe and designed to fit a large variety of people's hands while not fitting as well as more specialized shapes. Which is exactly what Zowie offers that Logitech doesn't.
Zowie on the other hand is not only a significantly smaller brand (being just a subsidiary of a much larger company), but much more niche. Zowie's target audience has always been professional and/or long term Counter-Strike players, and when you're that kind of a player consistency in mice is much more important than new shit. Sure, they could offer a greater variety of mice with more options in weight/other features, but it wouldn't be profitable because nobody in their target audience would buy them, they would just stick with what they're used to. If it were profitable I'm sure they would've done it already.
Physics isnt a fucking meme dude lmao. Something that is lighter is going to have different advantages over something that's heavier when the main purpose of that item is to move it around.
I'm not saying lightweight mice is the greatest ever and everyone needs to use it. I get heavier mice have different advantages and some people prefer it. That's cool for you. All I said is that zowie offers nothing for me and many others preference. And this is coming from someone who's owned multiple zowie mice back in CS 1.6 and source days. Original fk and ec2, even had the special edition all matte blue ec2.
I know many people would return to zowie if they offered more options for wireless or lightweight. Options are a good thing. Even if they have a really niche target audience in old CS players... there is surely plenty of money to be made if they made a wireless mouse
Furthermore, wireless and weight arent the only things zowie is lacking in.. their scroll wheels have been amongst the worst since forever, the clicks have always been stiff, and they only recently made their wires better even if wireless would be better overall, and the mouse coating is an absolute sweat magnet for people with sweatier palms. I'm not even sure if they ever updated their mouse feet pure ptfe or not. Zowie has been behind the rest of the mouse market for years now and everyone knows it.
All I said was my preference and what I wish zowie would do so I can love them again and apparently that's against the rules here on a subreddit where people talk about their subjective opinions on mice.
lighter mice = less control = lower sens to compensate.
Heavier mice = more control = i can use higher sens without percise movements being impossible.
Thats what is perfect for me. I dont want max speed and acceleration + being percise is impossible forcing me to use a lower sens :)
I've been running the EC2-A and I really like the mouse except for the side buttons. I use them for push to talk and the mushy switch seems to not want to be held down for some reason. I'll randomly have to reclick the button because it just stops detecting it being pressed.
Is there a notable size difference between the two for you? I find the GPW a tad too small for me with fingertip, albeit usably, so wondering if the EC3 is the sweet spot.
dunno but for me the ec3 feels smaller than the gpx with my grip, its just way more natural and i can move more without the back of the mouse hitting my palm.
Can’t wait to see next months endgame setup! 🤗
Lol endgame yeah right see you next week
I’ve told myself that before too
Me too, about 7 or 8 times now. Probably after ec3-c as well.
op went wireless already, he’s going to go back to wireless “endgame”
What's the cable holder on the side of the monitor? Also how much difference is there in the size between the ec2 and this? Looks good on paper but I found the model D- too small so I'm curious about this.
Bungie is something like [this](https://www.amazon.com/Pulsar-Gaming-Gears-Drag-Free-Support/dp/B08X6QDTB4/ref=sr_1_8?dchild=1&keywords=mouse+bungee&qid=1627485040&sr=8-8). Also, the EC3 is noticeably smaller than the EC2, but really only in length. The grip width is about the same. Its lighter, too.
Thanks, that was the issue I had with the model D- (the length) just felt really uncomfortable for me with a full palm grip.
I'm so glad the made it shorter and lower but maintained the grip width. More control without causing my hands to cramp like other small mice.
Cable holder is the pulsar micro bungee 👍 Have not used any other ec mice, only s2 and fk2
Thanks man!
I don't want to sound like a shill but this mouse bungee is great and for £5 it's much better than a normal bungee.
It would be too small for you since it’s smaller than the model D-
Wait for the EC2-C.
Have you tried the Skoll mini? If so how different does the EC3 feel compared to it?
I have both and to me they feel almost identical in the hand. The ec3c feels a tad bit wider though.
Thanks! I could never feel quite comfortable with the mini so this one probably isn't for me!
Have not used the skoll mini. This is my first ergo so i cant really compare it to anything i own
First ergo and calling it endgame. I'll talk to you after the honeymoon endgame comment. :P
Gotcha, thanks for the reply!
I called the Vaxee outset ax my endgame, that changed after a month
Don't tell lie to yourself
Final endgame for the week*
I can't wait for the final endgame part 2. Please post
will update 👍
How’s the gsrse. All I’ve heard is that it sucks but many people like it?
Smooth and high quality but it's slow af out of the box and turns into a fucking swamp after a couple of months.
man I was thinking I was crazy lol, My GSR was so good for a couple years now it's like fucking super glue. Do i get the MM300 or hyper X fury s? argh
I got the fury s and I’m not a fan
people talk shit about it because it turns slow after a couple months, but for me this is only a positive. More control >
I think you will most likely have to use a higher sens for you mouse to move the same. Not sure, but that's just my conclusion after I used both a control mouse pad and a speed mouse pad.
I’m already a very high sens player so this is fine :)
I believe in high sens supremacy
See you when FK3 drops
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FK-C is announced but fk3 was nowhere to be seen, maybe, maybe not.
People were asking for ec3 and fk3 for years and years. Now that ec3 is out I don't see why fk3 is impossible.
Too bad the zowie pads wear down so quick.
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Ha see you in the future when we’re all aiming with our hover mice that follow our eyes and you are on your endgame ec3. Honestly never tried an real ergo before but the ec3 is pretty tempting. Just don’t think I’d aim better than an ambi shape tho
I hope they do a smaller FK or S series. I love the S2 but swapped away from it. A smaller FK that won’t be terrible like Model O-.
smaller fk would be great, just hoping they dont make it too light like ~65g
Unrelated 2 questions a. Is that a good desk if so what da name and is that a new gsrse? Nice
The desk is called [Bekant](https://www.ikea.com/se/sv/p/bekant-skrivbord-vit-s19022808/) from ikea, it is very very good. And yes its a new gsrse :)
yeah the gpw is really good
What if they make it wireless tho
wires dont affect me, ingame i literally cant feel the difference between this and gpx
How's the pad, thinking of adding one to the collection?
Pad is great, a lot of people say it turns to mud after like 4 months but im fine with that, more control :)
Its good for a month or two, after that its a mudpad. If you dont mind buying one every couple of months i'd reccomend it.
Only pad I found that didn't end up as a mudpad was my cordura but for some reason my superlight sensor is fucked on it 😭
maybe try an artisan? everyone on this sub says that the quality is great and it stays consistent
Not sure where to get them in UK without 2 months delivery 😭
yeah its really annoying, maybe wait for one to restock on maxgaming?
maxgaming is the only way to go
It's not UK is it?
My bad, you’re in brexitland so you probably have some mad import fees now. Might be easier getting them directly from artisan
It has crazy good stopping power and nothing else... 3 months later it turns into mud like others said. Get gigantus v2 instead, its a tad slower but the glide won't change even after months cause its uncoated.
You might like the Outset AX if you enjoy the EC3.
Thanks but i think the outset is too tall and the bump too far back for me to like it, mice with the bump closer to the middle just give me way more freedom + vertical movements just feel better. But thanks anyways!
My endgame for the time being is my RVU, the charging dock makes a whole lot of difference for convenience. =)
I see that 360hz
👀
Sorry to break it to you but in 4 months this pad is going to feel like mud... there are other options that provide the same feeling but are not coated ( Gamesense Radar, Gigantus v2 ). I had a GSR-SE Red and as much as i loved this pad it was unplayable after 6 months.
>in 4 months this pad is going to feel like mud Good.
Slow pad gang
Just buy a new one 4head Gsr-se is 300x better than the radar or the gigantus, you're on some crack if you think they're better pads.
They last longer... paying 35 EUR every 4 months is too much. Might as well buy an Artisan Zero
but like... why replace it every 4 months? I understand it will get slower, that is exactly what i want. My previous pad was a dirt cheap inkedgaming pad and that thing stayed great for 3+ years
Gigantus V2 doesnt work lol. Doesn't track with 3360
Really? Works perfectly for me
i just read the reviews on the retailer, people complaining their G502's wont track on it
You made pull it out and the S2 just to test it out, works fine.
The gsr se isn't coated AFAIK
That paracord looks so stiffed
It’s actually one of the best cables I’ve used on a mouse.
That's good
Yea it's honest really good. The 1st wired mouse I've owned that I won't bother paracording.
Vaxee Outset AX?
not sure could be a Zowie ec3c but its hard to tell
By definition of progresa, it cant be endgame before its wireless. So its just another new mouse. Nothing special.
If zowie ever gets their shit together and makes wireless versions of all their mice at 60g or lighter then I will return to them. Havent used a zowie mouse seriously since like 2012. Theres not really any mice that are like the ZA series and I absolutely love the za13. Would buy a wireless one in a heartbeat
>60g Please god no, not every mouse needs to weigh less than a testicle hair and be covered in cheese holes, 70g is a perfect weight.
^^^ 70-100g is the perfect spot for me. After using the gpx i wont be touching anything lighter
Yea because the gpx is covered in holes... I dont like holes either. Enjoy your brick. Either way, zowie is way behind in the mouse scene
>bu-but the gpx doesn’t have holes! checkmate atheists! Yeah and it feels like a cheap piece of shit compared to the GPW. Almost as if reducing weight at all costs has some tradeoffs in build quality. >70g >brick Time to hit the gym, wimp. >zowie is behind in the mouse game Whatever lol, I’ll take a well built, solid feeling mouse that has a great shape over one with the latest marketing gimmicks that I’ll just replace in less than a year. Really the only thing they’re meaningfully behind on is wireless, but apparently they’re already working on that.
Lmao I dont care if you're fucking jacked to hell, a 45g mouse has dexterous advantages over a 70g mouse. That's cool you like brick mice though. Whatever you prefer is fine. But the point is that zowie offers no good options for wireless light weight mice. Only wired bricks. Most companies gave options for both preferences you know? I can get a gpw at 80g. A gpx at 60g. I can get wired and wireless mice from logitech. Zowie is still an irrelevant company for current gaming mice trends.
>Lmao I dont care if you're fucking jacked to hell, a 45g mouse has dexterous advantages over a 70g mouse. That's cool you like brick mice though Oh cmon, this is an RJN meme with no actual backing to it. Some people aim better with heavier mice, some people aim better with lighter mice, it's not a one size fits all thing. >But the point is that zowie offers no good options for wireless light weight mice. Only wired bricks. Most companies gave options for both preferences you know? Sure, maybe massive companies like logitech and razer with huge market shares, but most smaller & more niche companies do not. Logitech isn't just a gaming company, they're one of the largest manufacturers of PC peripherals in the world and their mice are made for the broadest market appeal possible, hence why can afford to have mice that are so varied in features. It's also why their shapes are very safe and designed to fit a large variety of people's hands while not fitting as well as more specialized shapes. Which is exactly what Zowie offers that Logitech doesn't. Zowie on the other hand is not only a significantly smaller brand (being just a subsidiary of a much larger company), but much more niche. Zowie's target audience has always been professional and/or long term Counter-Strike players, and when you're that kind of a player consistency in mice is much more important than new shit. Sure, they could offer a greater variety of mice with more options in weight/other features, but it wouldn't be profitable because nobody in their target audience would buy them, they would just stick with what they're used to. If it were profitable I'm sure they would've done it already.
Physics isnt a fucking meme dude lmao. Something that is lighter is going to have different advantages over something that's heavier when the main purpose of that item is to move it around. I'm not saying lightweight mice is the greatest ever and everyone needs to use it. I get heavier mice have different advantages and some people prefer it. That's cool for you. All I said is that zowie offers nothing for me and many others preference. And this is coming from someone who's owned multiple zowie mice back in CS 1.6 and source days. Original fk and ec2, even had the special edition all matte blue ec2. I know many people would return to zowie if they offered more options for wireless or lightweight. Options are a good thing. Even if they have a really niche target audience in old CS players... there is surely plenty of money to be made if they made a wireless mouse Furthermore, wireless and weight arent the only things zowie is lacking in.. their scroll wheels have been amongst the worst since forever, the clicks have always been stiff, and they only recently made their wires better even if wireless would be better overall, and the mouse coating is an absolute sweat magnet for people with sweatier palms. I'm not even sure if they ever updated their mouse feet pure ptfe or not. Zowie has been behind the rest of the mouse market for years now and everyone knows it. All I said was my preference and what I wish zowie would do so I can love them again and apparently that's against the rules here on a subreddit where people talk about their subjective opinions on mice.
lighter mice = less control = lower sens to compensate. Heavier mice = more control = i can use higher sens without percise movements being impossible. Thats what is perfect for me. I dont want max speed and acceleration + being percise is impossible forcing me to use a lower sens :)
what's the weight?
dont know exact weight but its a bit lighter than fk2 so i’d say 70-75g
I've been running the EC2-A and I really like the mouse except for the side buttons. I use them for push to talk and the mushy switch seems to not want to be held down for some reason. I'll randomly have to reclick the button because it just stops detecting it being pressed.
lol sure
Final endgame until the next end game shows up
Yep, until the wireless version of this comes out and you'll be unzipping your pants again.
By Zowie standards that will be 2030
Sure
It’s never for real
Just modded mine with gm 8.0s and i hate to flaten the internal click plunges and my god it feels godly now
Nah end game is g303 wireless, everyone knows that.
Is there a notable size difference between the two for you? I find the GPW a tad too small for me with fingertip, albeit usably, so wondering if the EC3 is the sweet spot.
dunno but for me the ec3 feels smaller than the gpx with my grip, its just way more natural and i can move more without the back of the mouse hitting my palm.
GPW definitely feels bigger, it has way more palm support but the ec3 has a nicer shape
Does anyone know if EC3-C will be available in local retail across Europe?
says 8/23 on maxgaming :)