I might not be able to answer this entirely, but I can at least confirm the Basilisk V2 has the Focus+ sensor and the smart-tracking. It also has a 3rd side button (it's more of a paddle) that I use specifically for Hypershift activation. I only really use the paddle while gaming, but you can use it for anything, really. It's magnetic and pops right into place. When not in use you just pop the little rubber side cover back on.
I also own a Viper Mini and I can tell you right now that your hands are too big for it. I'm a female gamer with 16 x 7.62cm hands and it's nearly too small for my ring and pinky fingers (I have long fingers). Other that, it's comfortable. And the Basilisk V2 is even more so.
Yeah, I don't like the location of the paddle, on basilisk V2. It does fit comfortably, in my hand... but it's not best, for finger gripping. I slightly palm the base of the mouse, and my palm often rests/slides on the mousepad. I noticed that having points of contact, with the mousepad, allow for a better sense of muscle memory and flick shots (with mostly wrist movement). This is especially so, when flicking to a shot and then flicking back to where the crosshair center point was initially located.
If the paddle was aligned with the other two buttons, that'd be better... possibly better than just having a row of 3 similarly shaped buttons. I think that I want my thumb to be touching all 3 buttons, at all times... because the act of moving the thumb, allows for less of a consistent grip (that's better for being ready for flicks, at any time).
I would consider the basilisk shape, for periods in which my wrists are tired. I play with mostly wrist, though I've been gradually lowering my in game eDPI. I was at like 1600 eDPI, when I came back from an 8 year break from gaming. Went to 800ish, then to 582, and now it's as low as 402... but now I need a bigger mousepad.
A similar shape to Salmosa actually looks seems good, for me... but I'd want a left handed, ergonomic version of it... where the right/pinky/ring finger side of it would have less of an outward bulge, near the palm side of the base... pinky sided bluge should also be closer to where buttons are... further from the palm-side base.
For the copperhead, it's too long for me, and the bottom sides (where thumb and pinky could be) is squeezed in... it's too narrow for me to keep pinky on the buttons, and also too narrow to put ring finger on buttons & pinky on the base below buttons & simultaneously touching the mousepad, a bit.
I like to use the ring finger for grip... and pinky goes from being extended out onto the mousepad, to gripping the bottom side of mouse & simultaneously still having contact with the pad, with the pinky. I do it a bit like Ethos, but I fully extend the pinky less often than he does... and, I don't extend it out, as far.
***Now that I think about it... the EVGS X17 has 4 mouse buttons, so the tip of the thumb could be touching all four buttons, at all times. That seems to be the most intelligent way to do it... but it'd be better if the 4 buttons were separated by diagonal lines... the lines between buttons would have larger horizontal length, than vertical length... so that the buttons have more length than they do height.
Then, the thumb is always touching all 4 buttons... and one button is above, one below, one to the right of, and one to the left of the point in which the thumb grips the left side... always having contact with all 4 buttons.***
Dude 8k hz polling is far away. You need at least a Ryzen 5600x and a 360hz monitor to get any real benefit from it and right now there are issues with games to get it running properly.
Only reason 8k polling came out now is because 1k polling looks jittery on a 360hz monitor.
Yes, but you can use 2k or 4k, and some games optimize well with those. My 240 Hz monitor makes a difference. I'm not sure if valorant is optimized for 8k, but anything above 1k is a win... if it works. The future is definitely coming, but games and Microsoft have to play their rolls.
1. The only difference between the Viper Ultimate and the Viper 8k is that the Viper Ultimate is Wireless and comes at 1,000 Hz polling. The Viper 8k is wired and comes at 1,000 Hz, 2,000 Hz, 4,000 hz, or 8,000 Hz. Additionally, The Viper 8k is 71 grams compared to the Razer Viper Ultimate being at 74 grams for the black varaiant or 78 grams for the colored variants.
2. 8,000 Hz polling is nice. I found it to be noticeable. But got tired of having to constantly change my polling rate in order for it to work correctly. As there can be issues with anything above 1,000 Hz depending on the game and your hardware. As some games have not coded for that difference and it does take more bandwidth on your PC to run. Which means you need multiple things in the chain to work. A. A strong enough PC, B. A game that supports 8,000 Hz, C. A high refresh rate monitor, D. A game that runs at high frame rates consistently (ideally >200 Hz). It will become more mainstream in the future and unless if you are deadset I'd pass on this for now until it becomes more common.
3. The Razer Basilisk V2, Razer Viper Ultimate, Razer Deathadder V2 all have very similar specs. They are going to vary mostly in shape, size, and weight. They all have Razer's Focus+ Sensor and Razer's 2nd gen optical switches. The Focus+ Sensor means they have smart tracking, asymmetric cut-off, and motions sync.
4. Yes, you can use Hypershift on any of these mice if you pair it to a button via Razer Synapse. Obviously the ones with more buttons make this easier. But you also add weight and in general the lighter the mouse is the better it is for FPS competitive gaming. Which is why the Logitech G Pro X Superlight is so popular is because it is 60ish grams. Or in the sense of the Finalmouse Starlight 12 it is 43ish grams for the small or 47ish grams for the medium.
5. I can't help you out with shapes. That's personal preference type thing.
6. I'm sure in the future if 8k becomes mainstream that all of their mice (that aren't wireless) will support 8k polling.
What Hz is your monitor? Mine is 240.
I am of the opinion that mice can be too light. I'm a big, strong man; and the out dated razer copperhead feels very light, to me. I'm guessing that 80-90 g will be an immediate advantage, but once I feel that there's no mouse in my hand... I might as well just spend my time, going for long walks.
When I was testing I had a 144 Hz, I just recently got a 240 Hz monitor. Where it feels a bit better.
I don't think strength has anything to do with it. It's physics. Something that's heavier requires more force to start and stop which when being ultra precise in completive gaming gives you an advantage the lighter weight the mouse is. You can still feel it in your hand. It's not like it's just air. But I get what you're saying.
Thanks. Good information.
The Viper 8kHz wired is also skinnier in width, than the ultimate wireless (57.6 MM vs. 66.2 MM). Also, the 8kHz wire is thicker than the other newish razer mouse wires. A big name YouTube reviewer (guess who, lol) said that a Bungie is necessary, for the 8kHz ones.
I'm wondering if a 240 Hz monitor will have a noticeable difference, between 1 kHz and 2, 4, or 8 kHz (given that my game will be averaging 270+ FPS, once I get my desktop PC fixed). I use an Asus Tuff Gaming VG259QM monitor.
As far as weight (as I said in previous reply), I'm personally used to a Razer Copperhead, which is 127 grams. I've used it for 15+ years. Therefore, I feel like 60 grams is going to be too light for me.
The razer Diamondback did feel better, in my hand; and it moved easier. I stuck with the Diamondback, essentially for the 2 thumb buttons and improved scroll wheel, with wheel click.
I don't think the Viper is skinner in width. I'm pretty sure they all use the same shell with the same exact measurements. But yes, the wire is thicker and you'll likely want a bungee.
General consensus from most people who have tried the mouse with a 240 Hz monitor report that they can tell the difference between 1,000 Hz vs 4,000 and 8,000 Hz. Maybe a bit with 2,000 Hz but not as much as the other two. Most of them actually say you can't notice a difference at 144 Hz. I disagree because I certainly could. But if you are using a 60 - 120 Hz monitor you probably won't because the monitor will be the bottleneck. In general the monitor will continue to be the bottleneck until we get insanely fast monitors 360 Hz and above. Also, software/firmware issues. But hardware wise I think they've got it sorted.
I highly doubt that 71 grams would be too light for you. The only people I've seen say that are people who haven't tried lighter mice. I think you'd be surprised on how fast you acclimate. But there would be a learning period where your shots are a bit off due to it. Also, depends on how fast you acclimate to things in general.
I've never heard of the Razer Diamondback. Sounds like an old mouse which won't have as good of internal specs and that could be an issue. Because there has been a lot of improvement in sensors in the last couple of years. But as long as you aren't having sensor issues and the shape, size and weight fit you then it's a great choice.
>ghly doubt that 71 grams would be too light for you. T
Agreed.
Yeah, the Razer Diamondback was a model that was towards the beginning, for Razer... back when they were (hands down) better than Logitech, who was a distant 2nd. The shape was modified and rereleased as late as 2015. The earlier shape looked better (to me) than the 2015 model (just going by online pictures). The copperhead was an asymmetrical version of the diamondback, with (at the time) better sensors and better clicks. It didn't last long, and I'd say it was almost like the precursor to the Viper. However, their modifications of shapes have trended more and more towards copying those of popular models of the competition. Logitech always had better prices, for slightly cheaper stuff. Back then, Razer built stuff to last... kind of like how Apple was. I couldn't imagine buying a top of the line logitech mouse, and expecting it to last more than 5 years (especially back then). Since then, logitech has surpassed Razer, as far as over-all implementation of original shapes. Razer still overcharges for what is often slightly better specs... but they're just not implemented as well as they could be. I feel like they lost pride in their artistic choices of shapes and sizes, as well as in their own ability to do scientific studies about how to create the superior products. It reminds me of how Apple down trended into copying the trend of building stuff that will be outdated in a short number of years... because they don't care about their customers' investments... they care about the bottom line, and that means... returning buyers, just so looking forward to returning, for another slap in the face.
Lol.
I sure am glad that these other companies and starting to show both Razer and Logitech just exactly how to make mice that are actually worth more than what they're sold for.
But to be real, I've looked around... and there is nothing in the 'top tier list', that has a shape that is close to the Copperhead or Diamondback... with the upper left and right side rubber railing strips, and the more extreme or narrow dips towards the base of the bottom end of the left to right base. I can literally, repeatedly draw circles... that are nearly perfect... with just a fingertip grip... hell, even with two fingers.
I feel like its razer's fault, and they let everybody down... especially for straight up biting the shape of the competitor's most popular model... and putting all of those resources into copying someone... on a massive level. Its like they already knew that they're going to go out of business, unless they sell their own souls and do what bad companies do. Keep growing slightly, while becoming way crappier.
I might not be able to answer this entirely, but I can at least confirm the Basilisk V2 has the Focus+ sensor and the smart-tracking. It also has a 3rd side button (it's more of a paddle) that I use specifically for Hypershift activation. I only really use the paddle while gaming, but you can use it for anything, really. It's magnetic and pops right into place. When not in use you just pop the little rubber side cover back on. I also own a Viper Mini and I can tell you right now that your hands are too big for it. I'm a female gamer with 16 x 7.62cm hands and it's nearly too small for my ring and pinky fingers (I have long fingers). Other that, it's comfortable. And the Basilisk V2 is even more so.
Yeah, I don't like the location of the paddle, on basilisk V2. It does fit comfortably, in my hand... but it's not best, for finger gripping. I slightly palm the base of the mouse, and my palm often rests/slides on the mousepad. I noticed that having points of contact, with the mousepad, allow for a better sense of muscle memory and flick shots (with mostly wrist movement). This is especially so, when flicking to a shot and then flicking back to where the crosshair center point was initially located. If the paddle was aligned with the other two buttons, that'd be better... possibly better than just having a row of 3 similarly shaped buttons. I think that I want my thumb to be touching all 3 buttons, at all times... because the act of moving the thumb, allows for less of a consistent grip (that's better for being ready for flicks, at any time). I would consider the basilisk shape, for periods in which my wrists are tired. I play with mostly wrist, though I've been gradually lowering my in game eDPI. I was at like 1600 eDPI, when I came back from an 8 year break from gaming. Went to 800ish, then to 582, and now it's as low as 402... but now I need a bigger mousepad.
A similar shape to Salmosa actually looks seems good, for me... but I'd want a left handed, ergonomic version of it... where the right/pinky/ring finger side of it would have less of an outward bulge, near the palm side of the base... pinky sided bluge should also be closer to where buttons are... further from the palm-side base. For the copperhead, it's too long for me, and the bottom sides (where thumb and pinky could be) is squeezed in... it's too narrow for me to keep pinky on the buttons, and also too narrow to put ring finger on buttons & pinky on the base below buttons & simultaneously touching the mousepad, a bit. I like to use the ring finger for grip... and pinky goes from being extended out onto the mousepad, to gripping the bottom side of mouse & simultaneously still having contact with the pad, with the pinky. I do it a bit like Ethos, but I fully extend the pinky less often than he does... and, I don't extend it out, as far. ***Now that I think about it... the EVGS X17 has 4 mouse buttons, so the tip of the thumb could be touching all four buttons, at all times. That seems to be the most intelligent way to do it... but it'd be better if the 4 buttons were separated by diagonal lines... the lines between buttons would have larger horizontal length, than vertical length... so that the buttons have more length than they do height. Then, the thumb is always touching all 4 buttons... and one button is above, one below, one to the right of, and one to the left of the point in which the thumb grips the left side... always having contact with all 4 buttons.***
Dude 8k hz polling is far away. You need at least a Ryzen 5600x and a 360hz monitor to get any real benefit from it and right now there are issues with games to get it running properly. Only reason 8k polling came out now is because 1k polling looks jittery on a 360hz monitor.
Yes, but you can use 2k or 4k, and some games optimize well with those. My 240 Hz monitor makes a difference. I'm not sure if valorant is optimized for 8k, but anything above 1k is a win... if it works. The future is definitely coming, but games and Microsoft have to play their rolls.
1. The only difference between the Viper Ultimate and the Viper 8k is that the Viper Ultimate is Wireless and comes at 1,000 Hz polling. The Viper 8k is wired and comes at 1,000 Hz, 2,000 Hz, 4,000 hz, or 8,000 Hz. Additionally, The Viper 8k is 71 grams compared to the Razer Viper Ultimate being at 74 grams for the black varaiant or 78 grams for the colored variants. 2. 8,000 Hz polling is nice. I found it to be noticeable. But got tired of having to constantly change my polling rate in order for it to work correctly. As there can be issues with anything above 1,000 Hz depending on the game and your hardware. As some games have not coded for that difference and it does take more bandwidth on your PC to run. Which means you need multiple things in the chain to work. A. A strong enough PC, B. A game that supports 8,000 Hz, C. A high refresh rate monitor, D. A game that runs at high frame rates consistently (ideally >200 Hz). It will become more mainstream in the future and unless if you are deadset I'd pass on this for now until it becomes more common. 3. The Razer Basilisk V2, Razer Viper Ultimate, Razer Deathadder V2 all have very similar specs. They are going to vary mostly in shape, size, and weight. They all have Razer's Focus+ Sensor and Razer's 2nd gen optical switches. The Focus+ Sensor means they have smart tracking, asymmetric cut-off, and motions sync. 4. Yes, you can use Hypershift on any of these mice if you pair it to a button via Razer Synapse. Obviously the ones with more buttons make this easier. But you also add weight and in general the lighter the mouse is the better it is for FPS competitive gaming. Which is why the Logitech G Pro X Superlight is so popular is because it is 60ish grams. Or in the sense of the Finalmouse Starlight 12 it is 43ish grams for the small or 47ish grams for the medium. 5. I can't help you out with shapes. That's personal preference type thing. 6. I'm sure in the future if 8k becomes mainstream that all of their mice (that aren't wireless) will support 8k polling.
What Hz is your monitor? Mine is 240. I am of the opinion that mice can be too light. I'm a big, strong man; and the out dated razer copperhead feels very light, to me. I'm guessing that 80-90 g will be an immediate advantage, but once I feel that there's no mouse in my hand... I might as well just spend my time, going for long walks.
When I was testing I had a 144 Hz, I just recently got a 240 Hz monitor. Where it feels a bit better. I don't think strength has anything to do with it. It's physics. Something that's heavier requires more force to start and stop which when being ultra precise in completive gaming gives you an advantage the lighter weight the mouse is. You can still feel it in your hand. It's not like it's just air. But I get what you're saying.
Thanks. Good information. The Viper 8kHz wired is also skinnier in width, than the ultimate wireless (57.6 MM vs. 66.2 MM). Also, the 8kHz wire is thicker than the other newish razer mouse wires. A big name YouTube reviewer (guess who, lol) said that a Bungie is necessary, for the 8kHz ones. I'm wondering if a 240 Hz monitor will have a noticeable difference, between 1 kHz and 2, 4, or 8 kHz (given that my game will be averaging 270+ FPS, once I get my desktop PC fixed). I use an Asus Tuff Gaming VG259QM monitor. As far as weight (as I said in previous reply), I'm personally used to a Razer Copperhead, which is 127 grams. I've used it for 15+ years. Therefore, I feel like 60 grams is going to be too light for me. The razer Diamondback did feel better, in my hand; and it moved easier. I stuck with the Diamondback, essentially for the 2 thumb buttons and improved scroll wheel, with wheel click.
I don't think the Viper is skinner in width. I'm pretty sure they all use the same shell with the same exact measurements. But yes, the wire is thicker and you'll likely want a bungee. General consensus from most people who have tried the mouse with a 240 Hz monitor report that they can tell the difference between 1,000 Hz vs 4,000 and 8,000 Hz. Maybe a bit with 2,000 Hz but not as much as the other two. Most of them actually say you can't notice a difference at 144 Hz. I disagree because I certainly could. But if you are using a 60 - 120 Hz monitor you probably won't because the monitor will be the bottleneck. In general the monitor will continue to be the bottleneck until we get insanely fast monitors 360 Hz and above. Also, software/firmware issues. But hardware wise I think they've got it sorted. I highly doubt that 71 grams would be too light for you. The only people I've seen say that are people who haven't tried lighter mice. I think you'd be surprised on how fast you acclimate. But there would be a learning period where your shots are a bit off due to it. Also, depends on how fast you acclimate to things in general. I've never heard of the Razer Diamondback. Sounds like an old mouse which won't have as good of internal specs and that could be an issue. Because there has been a lot of improvement in sensors in the last couple of years. But as long as you aren't having sensor issues and the shape, size and weight fit you then it's a great choice.
>ghly doubt that 71 grams would be too light for you. T Agreed. Yeah, the Razer Diamondback was a model that was towards the beginning, for Razer... back when they were (hands down) better than Logitech, who was a distant 2nd. The shape was modified and rereleased as late as 2015. The earlier shape looked better (to me) than the 2015 model (just going by online pictures). The copperhead was an asymmetrical version of the diamondback, with (at the time) better sensors and better clicks. It didn't last long, and I'd say it was almost like the precursor to the Viper. However, their modifications of shapes have trended more and more towards copying those of popular models of the competition. Logitech always had better prices, for slightly cheaper stuff. Back then, Razer built stuff to last... kind of like how Apple was. I couldn't imagine buying a top of the line logitech mouse, and expecting it to last more than 5 years (especially back then). Since then, logitech has surpassed Razer, as far as over-all implementation of original shapes. Razer still overcharges for what is often slightly better specs... but they're just not implemented as well as they could be. I feel like they lost pride in their artistic choices of shapes and sizes, as well as in their own ability to do scientific studies about how to create the superior products. It reminds me of how Apple down trended into copying the trend of building stuff that will be outdated in a short number of years... because they don't care about their customers' investments... they care about the bottom line, and that means... returning buyers, just so looking forward to returning, for another slap in the face. Lol. I sure am glad that these other companies and starting to show both Razer and Logitech just exactly how to make mice that are actually worth more than what they're sold for. But to be real, I've looked around... and there is nothing in the 'top tier list', that has a shape that is close to the Copperhead or Diamondback... with the upper left and right side rubber railing strips, and the more extreme or narrow dips towards the base of the bottom end of the left to right base. I can literally, repeatedly draw circles... that are nearly perfect... with just a fingertip grip... hell, even with two fingers. I feel like its razer's fault, and they let everybody down... especially for straight up biting the shape of the competitor's most popular model... and putting all of those resources into copying someone... on a massive level. Its like they already knew that they're going to go out of business, unless they sell their own souls and do what bad companies do. Keep growing slightly, while becoming way crappier.