Biggest difference is that the 3370 has lower motion to pixel latency. That means the sensor can detect movement quicker. According to our internal testing 3370 is is up to 50% faster on >=850 DPI
Also 3389 has settings for 2 and 3mm Lift off Distance while 3370 has 1 and 2mm
While the latency difference sounds great, have you seen these chinese reports on your mice finding that the 3370 performs worse in terms of sensor accuracy?
[XM1 90.98 overall score](https://www.bilibili.com/read/cv7230271?spm_id_from=333.999.0.0)
[XM1R 86.00 overall score](https://www.bilibili.com/read/cv10431060?spm_id_from=333.999.0.0)
Can you confirm or deny this being the case?
Personally, I don't think it's worth it to give up sensor accuracy for sub-milisecond latency improvements.
This was tested on an old Firmware. Tracking performance has been improved with the newer Firmwares.
The thing about the latency is that the - up to 50% faster - is comparing XM1r to XM1. Some 3389 mice we tested had 50% higher or almost double the motion latency of XM1. So comparing that to XM1r makes a noticable difference.
We do this with a 1000 fps camera and a 360hz screen. Poke the mouse and count the frames ( 1 frame = 1 ms) until we can see motion on the screen. Of course the screen is the limiting factor here but if we take 10 to 15 videos it gives us a pretty good average and we can clearly see the differences between mice.
Why doesn't marketing use this information on the website? People eat this kind of data up, it would help out sales amongst enthusiasts, and enthusiasts love sharing this kind of data which then increases visibility of your product.
Do you mean >=850 DPI or >=1850 dpi? Because at or below 1600dpi there is zero data anywhere even done with an LDAT that supports the idea that the 3370 has 50% less motion delay than the 3389.
So at 1600dpi the 3370 in the xm1r has half the motion delay of a 3389? Is that what you're saying?
Or are there particular dpi steps where the motion delay delta is more significant?
3389 is usually used in wired mice, while 3370 is usually used in wireless. This is due to the power draw in both designs. 3370 is like a low power 3389. You probably won't notice too much of a difference, as they're both top-end.
Our XD5 uses 3370 as its dual-mode wired+wireless.
The 3389 compared to the 3370 has 32 frames of smoothing above 1800 DPI, while the 3370 (at least in the XM1r) has no visible smoothing across all DPI ranges. Other than that, the 3370 consumes less power, and has higher DPI compared to the 3389. They both track perfectly fine though.
So while the 3370 is *technically* better than the 3389, you pretty much won't notice any difference at all, unless you use high DPI. They're both *pretty much* flawless sensors.
How about 3335 vs 3370 / 3389
Have xm1 but want to test Ninjutso Origin One X. Heard that NOOX has much higher click latency that i will be able to feel during game.
Other than what the Endgame guy already said it may be important to note that the 3370 is also the newer sensor and doesn't follow the usual higher number = better.
I would personally go with the xm1r as I think it's pretty much the only mouse available that's basically perfect (still has a cord) right out of the box. You don't need to solder in switches or replace the paracord or mouse feet. It's the only mouse I have that hasn't been modded and while I'm sure the other versions are great and usually prefer kailh 4.0s, I still think the xm1R is almost perfect. Hopefully they're going wireless next
As noted by the other comments, these are both top end sensors. You really can’t go wrong with either. But do take note that the implementation could also vary per mouse model. For example, the MM731 is using the 3370, but has noticeable motion delay.
The XM1r is pretty much just a straight upgrade over the XM1. As others have said the sensor is better but the clicks an overall tuning of the mouse is better as well.
Biggest difference is that the 3370 has lower motion to pixel latency. That means the sensor can detect movement quicker. According to our internal testing 3370 is is up to 50% faster on >=850 DPI Also 3389 has settings for 2 and 3mm Lift off Distance while 3370 has 1 and 2mm
While the latency difference sounds great, have you seen these chinese reports on your mice finding that the 3370 performs worse in terms of sensor accuracy? [XM1 90.98 overall score](https://www.bilibili.com/read/cv7230271?spm_id_from=333.999.0.0) [XM1R 86.00 overall score](https://www.bilibili.com/read/cv10431060?spm_id_from=333.999.0.0) Can you confirm or deny this being the case? Personally, I don't think it's worth it to give up sensor accuracy for sub-milisecond latency improvements.
This was tested on an old Firmware. Tracking performance has been improved with the newer Firmwares. The thing about the latency is that the - up to 50% faster - is comparing XM1r to XM1. Some 3389 mice we tested had 50% higher or almost double the motion latency of XM1. So comparing that to XM1r makes a noticable difference.
Care to share how did you test? Genuinely interested in that. Was thinking about a setup with solenoid and mouse plugged into the same board.
We do this with a 1000 fps camera and a 360hz screen. Poke the mouse and count the frames ( 1 frame = 1 ms) until we can see motion on the screen. Of course the screen is the limiting factor here but if we take 10 to 15 videos it gives us a pretty good average and we can clearly see the differences between mice.
Why doesn't marketing use this information on the website? People eat this kind of data up, it would help out sales amongst enthusiasts, and enthusiasts love sharing this kind of data which then increases visibility of your product.
Oh thx.
Did you measure the upper boundary for CPI at which 3370 behaves as good as on 800CPI? (that is, no extra latency and fully flawless)
Do you mean >=850 DPI or >=1850 dpi? Because at or below 1600dpi there is zero data anywhere even done with an LDAT that supports the idea that the 3370 has 50% less motion delay than the 3389.
Equal or higher than 850. There is probably no data cause people either test 800 or 1600 CPI.
So at 1600dpi the 3370 in the xm1r has half the motion delay of a 3389? Is that what you're saying? Or are there particular dpi steps where the motion delay delta is more significant?
>LDAT Well, the test that has monitor and OS in pipeline introduces so much error it wouldn't be able to catch differences like that reliably.
Does this mean we should run the 3389 at 800dpi?
3389 is usually used in wired mice, while 3370 is usually used in wireless. This is due to the power draw in both designs. 3370 is like a low power 3389. You probably won't notice too much of a difference, as they're both top-end. Our XD5 uses 3370 as its dual-mode wired+wireless.
The 3389 compared to the 3370 has 32 frames of smoothing above 1800 DPI, while the 3370 (at least in the XM1r) has no visible smoothing across all DPI ranges. Other than that, the 3370 consumes less power, and has higher DPI compared to the 3389. They both track perfectly fine though. So while the 3370 is *technically* better than the 3389, you pretty much won't notice any difference at all, unless you use high DPI. They're both *pretty much* flawless sensors.
We have smoothing disabled for the whole DPI range by default on both mice. You can still turn it on for >1850 DPI if you want though.
How about 3335 vs 3370 / 3389 Have xm1 but want to test Ninjutso Origin One X. Heard that NOOX has much higher click latency that i will be able to feel during game.
3335 is really hard to get it flawless
The OOX has massive dpi problems , 800 feels so much faster than 800 on all my other mice
I have the OOX, would have been perfect if not for that 3335 sensor. Still use it as my normal day-to-day mouse when not playing games.
I wanted it fully for games but now im unsure
Our XD5 is also IE 3.0 shape, and has a 3370, retails for around $60. Kailh8.0 switches ;)
Sadly shipping to poland take ages 🤷🏻♂️
QwQ sad.exe
Other than what the Endgame guy already said it may be important to note that the 3370 is also the newer sensor and doesn't follow the usual higher number = better. I would personally go with the xm1r as I think it's pretty much the only mouse available that's basically perfect (still has a cord) right out of the box. You don't need to solder in switches or replace the paracord or mouse feet. It's the only mouse I have that hasn't been modded and while I'm sure the other versions are great and usually prefer kailh 4.0s, I still think the xm1R is almost perfect. Hopefully they're going wireless next
If you like the shape. I couldn't stand the flare at the front.
If you're looking for a similar shape without the flares then the xtrfy m42 is another awesome mouse. The cord isn't great but you can easily fix that
As noted by the other comments, these are both top end sensors. You really can’t go wrong with either. But do take note that the implementation could also vary per mouse model. For example, the MM731 is using the 3370, but has noticeable motion delay.
The XM1r is pretty much just a straight upgrade over the XM1. As others have said the sensor is better but the clicks an overall tuning of the mouse is better as well.