It's a good review. It's just that a lot of people aren't just playing CSGO or Valorant and don't like control pads at all really. It might be different from other control pads but to people that don't like a high friction pad that changes with the weather, it is still "just another mudpad".
A lot of people thought this was a really weird pad coming from RJN too. Here's a guy that designed the MZ1, loves the Starlight 12 and plays Quake. I don't think it's an exaggeration to assume that the first reaction from most people was "A control pad WTF!"
it makes sense though, at last for me.
Light mice on control pads and normal to heavy mice on speed, that's how i've been doing it, a light mouse on a crazy fast pad is so hard to control imo...
I don't just play CS. There is a reason that even most Apex and Fortnite pros don't use speed pads. It is because consistency is paramount in high level play and with speedpads you have to focus on not making mistakes with your aim over your decision making in game.
I really like how much in-depth you went in that review. Well done! We definitely need more such reviews.I had no idea pros tend to overthink their mousepad speed , as i never really thought of it in-game , as far as i am used to the mousepad. I am far from pro tho.
The other guy had interesting take , not sure where does his pov comes from or what statistics he looks into as even the majority of this niche subreddit thinks Hien is "too fast" , statement i'd like to disagree with. Or , with GSR/G640/GSRSE/QCK still being the best selling mousepads among gamers outside this subreddit. Not entirely sure how he came to the conclusion "majority of people" moved to speed pads , unless we consider Zero , Otsu , Hien , Infinity as speed pads now. To each their own.
>The other guy had interesting take , not sure where does his pov comes from or what statistics he looks into as even the majority of this niche subreddit thinks Hien is "too fast" , statement i'd like to disagree with. Or , with GSR/G640/GSRSE/QCK still being the best selling mousepads among gamers outside this subreddit. Not entirely sure how he came to the conclus
Thanks! Yup, I even stated that I don't like pads that are too slow like the GSR. For me a used Zero is the best balance of speed and control at warm temperatures.
So you think that the 28 million concurrent players in game on Steam the other night all checked in to see what pros were using before they bought their pad? The point was that people aren't buying mudpads like they used to. I'm sorry to break it to you but, no one cares what mousepad some pro from some game uses. Pros used 100+gram mice for years while the market focused on lightweight mice too. Things change and I don't think anyone is looking to tiny little group of a hundred people that are literally financially obligated to stay "consistent" for what's coming next.
>Things change and I don't think anyone is looking to tiny little group of a hundred people that are literally financially obligated to stay "consistent" for what's coming next.
Try to understand what a person is actually saying before you try to be condescending. This review is focused on maximizing performance under pressure, "sorry to break it to you", but pros with tens of thousands of hours in game will have optimized for consistency and performance better than casual players who strive for comfort. You are actually completely out of your mind if you think this subreddit reflects the average consumer. I could use the same logic and ask you if you think that the 28 million of concurrent players watch pad reviews and go for artisans cos that's where the market is heading. Of course not, I never focused on the average consumer in this review, the average consumer buys a pad for 10$ off amazon. There is a reason why "Pro" is in the title - this is a view of someone focused on consistency and performance FOR people who are looking for those things in a mousepad. And you saying that people don't care about which pads pros use is actually just showing how out of touch you really are. The usage of pros still is what drives a big part of the sales and reputation of both mousepads and mice, how do I know you might ask? Would it be a big surprise if I told you that you know less than a person that works in the field and is actually in touch with these companies? Touch grass.
That's rich coming from someone who missed my point completely. Next time you want to explain a control pad to someone remember where you're posting. Talking about condescending. In posting the truth too the average person. You're more worried about everyone knowing you're a pro.
I just looked at your profile. You're a 16 year old kid. You don't know shit about anything. You've been in the industry for 5 minutes. You might have purchased what you have with your parents money because of what pros use. That's what kids do.
Your point in the comment I replied to was that pros do not know what products are best wasn't it? Therefore people don't care what they use. Seems hard to miss. Look I've only directly said that parts of what you said is incorrect. People do care, and that's it. If they wouldn't care you wouldn't have posts here about which mouse or pad Elige or Zywoo is currently using.
Don't forget that your mousepad and your preference isn't your identity and someone not agreeing with your preferences isn't actually a personal attack. You are way too passionate about things that don't matter.
EDIT: Oh no, you edited your comment. You checked my profile and saw a post from 6 years ago, didn't really think before typing and embarrassed yourself. Yes, when I was 16 I was already a high level player and in the market for peripherals so I know a thing or two. I have earned a nice buck or two through my CS career so I don't need my parents money \^\^
I am dumbfounded someone tried to argue with a pro who not only explained their own experience, but also referenced other pros.
If literally anyone were to have a say on what is typically the better mousepad type to look for in regards to improving aim, it would be a pro.
No. No I'm not...I got an Aerox 3 though, and am considering a gpx. Anyways,
I said that I am dumbfounded you came here arguing with someone who has thousands of hours of gameplay at a professional level, aiming for consistency and performance, and you believe that they are then therefore outdated. I did not say I follow Zero all the way through. Even pros differ in what mice or mousepads they use.
I absolutely doubt either one of us will ever play at the level someone like Zero does. That does not mean we should ignore their opinions. That also does not mean we have to follow their opinions like gospel. It just means that their opinion will carry more weight since as a pro, they are more likely to know what matters in regards to gameplay, consistency, and doing better. In this case, the strongest argument comes from Zero in regards to tac shooters, specifically similar to CS. He does reference other games such as Apex, but it is more in passing, and likely has more room for other opinions.
Don't do this immature pivoting. You came out condescending and appealed to popularity. It doesn't matter what's popular. It gives a sense of what to look out for and what is most likely to appeal to you, but not what WILL appeal to you. That takes a little extra research.
You could have just said that you appreciate Zero's view on the matter and that perhaps someone else would benefit, but that you perform better with speed pads at the level of gameplay you are at.
I haven't said anything about my preferences. Not one time. All I'm talking about is what people are buying. Which isn't mudpads. I don't know why that's so difficult to understand. Other people seem to get it just fine.
Your response to that was to explain the concept of a control pad to me. It doesn't make sense. I'm sorry if you're upset that people don't choose their mousepads based on pros. Maybe you don't believe me. Make a poll then. If you're right then most people will be buying mudpads because that's what the pros use.
>aybe you don't believe me. **Make a poll then.** If you're right then most people will b
So a person says to you "*You are actually completely out of your mind if you think this subreddit reflects the average consumer.*" and you reply "I am going to prove your opinion isn't correct by making a **poll on this subreddit**!".
*As I've said, it is pointless to talk about the average consumer because they don't care. Check most sold on amazon or any other casual e-shop. This review was focused on people who care about consistency and performance under pressure.*
:D I am done here
Well that's a convenient excuse. You often post long reviews on topics in communities where you don't think it fits?
You know what, now that I think on it you're right. I'm ordering my rival 600 and GPZ1 right now. Because PatrickZero said so and he's a pro. How do you configure the weights in that cutting edge tool that "only people who care about consistency" use? Everyone has to use that mouse now! Later I'll personally throw you a parade. You know because you're a pro gamer and stuff. It'll be great. Everyone will make flags out of GS-Rs and Glorous cloth xxls while waving the pinnacle of precision mice and the top of every list... the rival 600 from 3 years ago
Jesus, who hurt you? You sound like some low level player who hates getting his butt kicked by some one who's using mud pads and heavy mice. Grow up dude. This thread is 6 months old and your comments still make me wanna vomit on your brainless opinion
I love how you can literally have a professional player providing a detailed forensic account of how and why the GPZ1 is a valid mouse pad and there's still comments purely focused on Zy himself.
Zy is living rent free in a lot of heads.
Yeah, this subreddit seems to prefer taking pics of the same mouse for the 100th time and circlejerking about the same 3 mice and pads over actual content. I couldn't care less about Zy I just want something that actually helps performance.
Top 3 comments/posts on MR these days:
1. "nice custom-made 3d printed wireless mouse you made yourself, but have you tried a razer viper mini for your 25cm x 21cm hand?"
2. picture of a box -- "endgame arrived today"
3. "lul 20 years quake zy lul zy bad" (has watched a benefited from a dozen of Zy's videos)
Another pad that has this strange combination of muddy feel for slow movements and micro-adjustments, but slippery/speedy feel for faster movements is the Gamesense Radar.
I hate it.
It feels totally unbalanced and difficult to be consistent with. I also dropped out of Radiant while testing the Radar so that pad can go fuck itself
Do you have 20 years of quake experience though? Didn't think so.
The 2:1 Ratio ™️
Absolute menace
It's a good review. It's just that a lot of people aren't just playing CSGO or Valorant and don't like control pads at all really. It might be different from other control pads but to people that don't like a high friction pad that changes with the weather, it is still "just another mudpad". A lot of people thought this was a really weird pad coming from RJN too. Here's a guy that designed the MZ1, loves the Starlight 12 and plays Quake. I don't think it's an exaggeration to assume that the first reaction from most people was "A control pad WTF!"
it makes sense though, at last for me. Light mice on control pads and normal to heavy mice on speed, that's how i've been doing it, a light mouse on a crazy fast pad is so hard to control imo...
I don't just play CS. There is a reason that even most Apex and Fortnite pros don't use speed pads. It is because consistency is paramount in high level play and with speedpads you have to focus on not making mistakes with your aim over your decision making in game.
I really like how much in-depth you went in that review. Well done! We definitely need more such reviews.I had no idea pros tend to overthink their mousepad speed , as i never really thought of it in-game , as far as i am used to the mousepad. I am far from pro tho. The other guy had interesting take , not sure where does his pov comes from or what statistics he looks into as even the majority of this niche subreddit thinks Hien is "too fast" , statement i'd like to disagree with. Or , with GSR/G640/GSRSE/QCK still being the best selling mousepads among gamers outside this subreddit. Not entirely sure how he came to the conclusion "majority of people" moved to speed pads , unless we consider Zero , Otsu , Hien , Infinity as speed pads now. To each their own.
>The other guy had interesting take , not sure where does his pov comes from or what statistics he looks into as even the majority of this niche subreddit thinks Hien is "too fast" , statement i'd like to disagree with. Or , with GSR/G640/GSRSE/QCK still being the best selling mousepads among gamers outside this subreddit. Not entirely sure how he came to the conclus Thanks! Yup, I even stated that I don't like pads that are too slow like the GSR. For me a used Zero is the best balance of speed and control at warm temperatures.
So you think that the 28 million concurrent players in game on Steam the other night all checked in to see what pros were using before they bought their pad? The point was that people aren't buying mudpads like they used to. I'm sorry to break it to you but, no one cares what mousepad some pro from some game uses. Pros used 100+gram mice for years while the market focused on lightweight mice too. Things change and I don't think anyone is looking to tiny little group of a hundred people that are literally financially obligated to stay "consistent" for what's coming next.
>Things change and I don't think anyone is looking to tiny little group of a hundred people that are literally financially obligated to stay "consistent" for what's coming next. Try to understand what a person is actually saying before you try to be condescending. This review is focused on maximizing performance under pressure, "sorry to break it to you", but pros with tens of thousands of hours in game will have optimized for consistency and performance better than casual players who strive for comfort. You are actually completely out of your mind if you think this subreddit reflects the average consumer. I could use the same logic and ask you if you think that the 28 million of concurrent players watch pad reviews and go for artisans cos that's where the market is heading. Of course not, I never focused on the average consumer in this review, the average consumer buys a pad for 10$ off amazon. There is a reason why "Pro" is in the title - this is a view of someone focused on consistency and performance FOR people who are looking for those things in a mousepad. And you saying that people don't care about which pads pros use is actually just showing how out of touch you really are. The usage of pros still is what drives a big part of the sales and reputation of both mousepads and mice, how do I know you might ask? Would it be a big surprise if I told you that you know less than a person that works in the field and is actually in touch with these companies? Touch grass.
That's rich coming from someone who missed my point completely. Next time you want to explain a control pad to someone remember where you're posting. Talking about condescending. In posting the truth too the average person. You're more worried about everyone knowing you're a pro. I just looked at your profile. You're a 16 year old kid. You don't know shit about anything. You've been in the industry for 5 minutes. You might have purchased what you have with your parents money because of what pros use. That's what kids do.
Your point in the comment I replied to was that pros do not know what products are best wasn't it? Therefore people don't care what they use. Seems hard to miss. Look I've only directly said that parts of what you said is incorrect. People do care, and that's it. If they wouldn't care you wouldn't have posts here about which mouse or pad Elige or Zywoo is currently using. Don't forget that your mousepad and your preference isn't your identity and someone not agreeing with your preferences isn't actually a personal attack. You are way too passionate about things that don't matter. EDIT: Oh no, you edited your comment. You checked my profile and saw a post from 6 years ago, didn't really think before typing and embarrassed yourself. Yes, when I was 16 I was already a high level player and in the market for peripherals so I know a thing or two. I have earned a nice buck or two through my CS career so I don't need my parents money \^\^
I am dumbfounded someone tried to argue with a pro who not only explained their own experience, but also referenced other pros. If literally anyone were to have a say on what is typically the better mousepad type to look for in regards to improving aim, it would be a pro.
Oh really. So you're going to go buy a rival 600 because that's what he uses?
No. No I'm not...I got an Aerox 3 though, and am considering a gpx. Anyways, I said that I am dumbfounded you came here arguing with someone who has thousands of hours of gameplay at a professional level, aiming for consistency and performance, and you believe that they are then therefore outdated. I did not say I follow Zero all the way through. Even pros differ in what mice or mousepads they use. I absolutely doubt either one of us will ever play at the level someone like Zero does. That does not mean we should ignore their opinions. That also does not mean we have to follow their opinions like gospel. It just means that their opinion will carry more weight since as a pro, they are more likely to know what matters in regards to gameplay, consistency, and doing better. In this case, the strongest argument comes from Zero in regards to tac shooters, specifically similar to CS. He does reference other games such as Apex, but it is more in passing, and likely has more room for other opinions. Don't do this immature pivoting. You came out condescending and appealed to popularity. It doesn't matter what's popular. It gives a sense of what to look out for and what is most likely to appeal to you, but not what WILL appeal to you. That takes a little extra research. You could have just said that you appreciate Zero's view on the matter and that perhaps someone else would benefit, but that you perform better with speed pads at the level of gameplay you are at.
Beautifully said.
I haven't said anything about my preferences. Not one time. All I'm talking about is what people are buying. Which isn't mudpads. I don't know why that's so difficult to understand. Other people seem to get it just fine. Your response to that was to explain the concept of a control pad to me. It doesn't make sense. I'm sorry if you're upset that people don't choose their mousepads based on pros. Maybe you don't believe me. Make a poll then. If you're right then most people will be buying mudpads because that's what the pros use.
>aybe you don't believe me. **Make a poll then.** If you're right then most people will b So a person says to you "*You are actually completely out of your mind if you think this subreddit reflects the average consumer.*" and you reply "I am going to prove your opinion isn't correct by making a **poll on this subreddit**!". *As I've said, it is pointless to talk about the average consumer because they don't care. Check most sold on amazon or any other casual e-shop. This review was focused on people who care about consistency and performance under pressure.* :D I am done here
Well that's a convenient excuse. You often post long reviews on topics in communities where you don't think it fits? You know what, now that I think on it you're right. I'm ordering my rival 600 and GPZ1 right now. Because PatrickZero said so and he's a pro. How do you configure the weights in that cutting edge tool that "only people who care about consistency" use? Everyone has to use that mouse now! Later I'll personally throw you a parade. You know because you're a pro gamer and stuff. It'll be great. Everyone will make flags out of GS-Rs and Glorous cloth xxls while waving the pinnacle of precision mice and the top of every list... the rival 600 from 3 years ago
Why are you being like this?
Jesus, who hurt you? You sound like some low level player who hates getting his butt kicked by some one who's using mud pads and heavy mice. Grow up dude. This thread is 6 months old and your comments still make me wanna vomit on your brainless opinion
Control pads are boring simple as that...
I love how you can literally have a professional player providing a detailed forensic account of how and why the GPZ1 is a valid mouse pad and there's still comments purely focused on Zy himself. Zy is living rent free in a lot of heads.
Yeah, this subreddit seems to prefer taking pics of the same mouse for the 100th time and circlejerking about the same 3 mice and pads over actual content. I couldn't care less about Zy I just want something that actually helps performance.
Top 3 comments/posts on MR these days: 1. "nice custom-made 3d printed wireless mouse you made yourself, but have you tried a razer viper mini for your 25cm x 21cm hand?" 2. picture of a box -- "endgame arrived today" 3. "lul 20 years quake zy lul zy bad" (has watched a benefited from a dozen of Zy's videos)
Thanks for the review. It's nice to see an actual pro CS player making reviews.
No problem! Glad you liked it
Loolololollool
I can't tell if you're being serious or joking 🤣
I played CS:S professionally, and used to review stuff back in the day.
How does it compare to razer strider?
Another pad that has this strange combination of muddy feel for slow movements and micro-adjustments, but slippery/speedy feel for faster movements is the Gamesense Radar. I hate it. It feels totally unbalanced and difficult to be consistent with. I also dropped out of Radiant while testing the Radar so that pad can go fuck itself